I got your message and you are right for the most part, BUT!
The receiver can ONLY trace as far back as the server the email comes from,
not where it originates from. It will tell you where the email comes from
(in which case, I can tweak the IP address residing/sent to the A4 server
before sending the email out).
Do you agree to this?
>From: Mohinder Bains <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: IP tracing
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:14:12 -0000
>
>Yes Elow Wole,
>I can see how Proxy servers and firewalls fit into matter of IP tracing.
>Proxy servers and Firewalls sit between an intranet /extranet and the www.
>They are used mostly for protection and unauthorised access.
>
>Remember that in order to be able to send an email an IP address must be
>obtained for both the originating and destination machine, and the email
>routed through a gateway (Router), which uses protocols such as RIP,
>EIGRP,IGRP, OSPF etc in addition to details held on its routing table.
>These
>are routing protocols which dictate how and where to send the informatioon.
>The proxy server on the other hand accommodates routable protocols that
>defined how the data is formatted.
>
>My contention is that, because of the myriads of other overheads included,
>in the delivery of data, there are simple tools readily available, which
>one
>can use to trace the origin of an email back to the gateway and
>consequently
>to the machine. However, this in no way reveals the identity of the sender
>but only where the email came from.
>
>In addition, if one is hiding behind a proxy server, the client machine
>must
>have a way of identifying itself to the server, mainly through its NIC
>number. The server too must use a router ( which would have a unique Ip
>address for identifying the network) to facilitate the sending of the
>email.
>
>I hope I have clarify the point I was trying to make.
>
>I would like to add that Alieu Keita can express his opinion as much as he
>likes as the G-List is here for everyone. It would be nice if he can extol
>President Yaya Jammeh's achievement since 1994, rather than using rhetoric
>and threats on people.
>
>Mohin.
>
>
>
>>From: Elow Wole <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: IP tracing
>>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:33:51 -0000
>>
>>Bro, ruus naala!
>>This ain't no theory here, not mine either, just hard facts. I can't stop
>>the smile when I read the way you laid you relayed expert comments. Well
>>FYI,
>>You can install an A4Proxy on your own machine and run it on win98.
>>Usually, A4s are installed on standalone PCs. And again, running an A4
>>would allow you to hook to anything http or ftp.
>>You've got good syntax in your command of english, and I respect that.
>>Let's keep the humor in this, no disrespect.
>>
>>Walayetalaye
>>Essa
>>
>>
>>>From: EB <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: IP tracing
>>>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:19:20 -0800
>>>
>>>I think we should all be careful with our postings and especially when
>>>one
>>>is angry.
>>>Anyway, regarding the above subject, and with Elow Wole's theory of a
>>>Proxy
>>>Server, this is what I can say about it.
>>>In other to install a Proxy Server, the following Hardware and Software
>>>requirements must be intact:
>>>1. Windows NT server 4.0
>>>2.Microsoft Internet Information Server(IIS) 3.0
>>>3.Windows NT server 4.0 Service Pack 3 (which includes IIS 3.0) or later.
>>>4.Microsoft TCP/IP
>>>
>>>The above is just the "Software" requirements. We can spend hours talking
>>>about it.
>>>Above all, you would use a Proxy Server for an INTRANET or EXTRANET to
>>>link
>>>to the Worldwide Web for security. It acts as a "secure gateway" between
>>>your LAN( Local Area Network) and the Internet.
>>>Yes, tracing an IP address is simple if you know what to look for and
>>>where.
>>>We have a lot to offer to our beloved Gambia rather than Name-callings.
>>>Let's learn to listen and work together and stop this on-going
>>>crucification
>>>of one another. We're all brothers and sisters regardless.
>>>We can make a difference with our expertise. Let's make good use of it.
>>>I love you all hardworking fellows out there. We will make it there one
>>>day.
>>>Peace.
>>>EB.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Elow Wole" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 8:15 AM
>>>Subject: Re: IP tracing
>>>
>>>
>>> > Not to dwell into much detail, it is very possible to hide your IP
>>>address
>>> > and send anonymous emails without a single trace, at least not back to
>>>your
>>> > real IP address. Proxy servers would allow do support this
>>>functionality,
>>> > especially A4s. You can even prevent cookies if you want to. What
>>> > essentially happens is that the A4-Proxy serves as a
>>>messenger/checkpoint
>>> > between your browser and the www. This would allow you to send fake
>>>IP
>>> > addresses, and switch proxies, etc. And because it works perfectly
>>>with
>>> > https, you can these sites anonymously. Not giving ideas, but it is
>>>quite
>>> > feasible.
>>> >
>>> > Essa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: Mohinder Bains <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>> > ><[log in to unmask]>
>>> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>>> > >Subject: Re: IP tracing
>>> > >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:51:30 -0000
>>> > >
>>> > >Hello Guys,
>>> > >
>>> > >I think Alieu S.Keita is not well versed in the way the internet
>>>works.
>>> > >Every email can be traced back to the originating computer,if one has
>>>the
>>> > >patient and right tools.
>>> > >
>>> > >In fact, he referred to DR. Katim as an "IPS tracing expert" without
>>>even
>>> > >realizing that there is no acronym (IPS) in the computer vocabulary.
>>>I
>>> > >believe he meant to write IP's instead.
>>> > >
>>> > >However, tracing an IP is not very difficult as it seems. The IP
>>>protocol
>>> > >and other protocols used on the Internet defined the format of the
>>>data
>>> > >packets carried. Included in each packet is a source and destination
>>> > >address fields among other things. This is designed in order to
>>>notified
>>> > >senders of undelivered packets.
>>> > >
>>> > >Based on the information that is encapsulated with the packet, one
>>>can
>>> > >trace
>>> > >with certainty the origin of emails by using tools such as TRACEROUTE
>>>or
>>> > >simply stripping down the email header and resolving the
>>> > >quad dotted notation to its fully qualified domain name, and thus,
>>>the
>>> > >place
>>> > >of origin.
>>> > >
>>> > >However, locating the origin of the email does not identify the
>>>sender
>>>in
>>> > >anyway as people can use any cyber cafe to send emails. So whoever
>>> > >Alieu S. Keita is, if he so wishes can remain anonymous for a very
>>>long
>>> > >time. At least he is quite right in this matter because he is a
>>>coward.
>>> > >
>>> > >It is indeed of little significnace whether he comes out or not
>>>because
>>>he
>>> > >cannot influence anybody on this list.
>>> > >
>>> > >Thanks
>>> > >Mohin.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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