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Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
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Thank you Malanding and Laye.  I am glad that this criminal behavior is 
addressed.  As you all know, I was a victim at the Gambia Post, when George 
illegally accessed a private correspondence I had with malik (from the 
e-mail address he provided Malik) just because I was a thorn in his flesh.  
Most of the readership turned the other way and some were even happy that it 
happened to Joe.  The good thing was that what I said in that mail was no 
secret for I said it to him in public.  My thoughts at the time was, if I 
was hiding my ID and made comments regarding the butcher, this fellow would 
not have hesitated to offer me for a lynching.  Thus, we should never be too 
tired to address criminal behavior against any, by any, for it is also an 
assault on our collective.

Chi Jaama

Joe


>From: Radio Free Gambia <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Attn: List Managers
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:19:25 -0500
>
>Thanks for the prompt action. I hope the list management comes to a
>conclusion that will help maintain and enhance the sense of privacy and
>security on this list.
>
>-BambaLaye
>
>On Wed, June 7, 2006 11:21 pm, Malanding Jaiteh said:
> > BambaLaye,
> > I understand concern that the right to scream fire must stop outside the
> > theater hall.  The rest of the management must be offline now but given
> > the urgent  need to protect the innocence, I have decided to temporarily
> > suspend Mr Jallow's right to post until management have time to discuss
> > the matter.  Have a good night.
> >
> > Malanding
> >
> >
> > Radio Free Gambia wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks Malanding for your prompt response:
> >>
> >>"Perhaps I may add that it was the management's own initiative and not
> >>Pa's request to suspend the suspect account  pending verification."
> >>
> >>I seek to prompt for similar management initiative be taken to protect 
>Pa
> >>Nderry Mbai's privacy pending (1)either Ebou Jallow proving beyond
> >>reasonable doubt that he is not compromising Mbai's email account or
> >>(2)Mbai confirming to all that Ebou has legitimate and explicit 
>authority
> >>to forward his(Mbai's) messages to the list.
> >>
> >>Messages are being forwarded from the same suspect(and
> >>protected)account(s)through Ebou Jallow's email account(s)as we speak.
> >>Does management have to wait for the Pa Nderry to complaint to protect
> >> his
> >>privacy?
> >>
> >>There appears to be two different thresholds set for management action 
>on
> >>the same issue. This needs to be revisited for the sake of the integrity
> >>of this respected list.
> >>
> >>Sis Jabu, thanks for your added perspective. I'm about to scratch my 
>head
> >>too. Have a great night.
> >>
> >>-BambaLaye
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, June 7, 2006 10:07 pm, Malanding Jaiteh said:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sister Jabou and BambaLaye,
> >>>While I agree that Mr Jallow's forward of what seem to be personal mail
> >>>sent to Pa Nderry should concern us, I  still believe that it would be
> >>>unprecedented for  management to delist Ebou Jallow without evidence
> >>>tying him to any wrong doing or violating Pa Nderry's privacy. As far 
>as
> >>>I can tell Pa Nderry is yet to  report his address being spoofed to G-l
> >>>management or Ebou Jallow is forwarding his private mails without
> >>>conscent.
> >>>Perhaps I may add that it was the management's own initiative and not
> >>>Pa's request to suspend the suspect account  pending verification.
> >>>Unfortunately I am yet to hear from any of the managers that Pa
> >>>contacted them about the suspended account.
> >>>
> >>>While Pa may have been too busy sorting things out I would imagine it
> >>>not very hard hard to send personal messages to management (some of 
>whom
> >>>he had direct access) about his situation. Although it would be fair to
> >>>state that he did through Mr Mballow asked to be resubscribed today, I
> >>>hope he would in the future be unambiguous about the status of Ebou's
> >>>postings, but until the G-l management cannot act.
> >>>
> >>> Malanding
> >>>
> >>>[log in to unmask] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Laye,
> >>>>
> >>>>I had also arrived at the same conclusions that it made sense to
> >>>> de-list
> >>>>Ebou Jallow  because with Pa Nderry's declaration that his site was
> >>>>illegally
> >>>>hacked and his private communications illegally acquired by the
> >>>> hackers
> >>>>( and
> >>>>we all saw that evidence which the management said  was the reason 
>they
> >>>>decided
> >>>>to de-list his email address for the time  being) and Ebou Jallow's
> >>>>posting
> >>>>of emails he clearly labels as  intercepted private communication to 
>Pa
> >>>>Nderry
> >>>>was what led me to also  suggest that Ebou Jallow should be de-listed
> >>>> but
> >>>>Malanding offered an  explanation that still has me scratching my 
>head.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jabou Joh
> >>>>
> >>>>In a message dated 6/7/2006 8:42:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >>>>[log in to unmask] writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>List  Managers:
> >>>>
> >>>>I am suggesting that - under the circumstances of Pa Nderry  Mbai's
> >>>> claim
> >>>>of his email account being tampered with lately - Ebou  Jallow
> >>>>([log in to unmask] and [log in to unmask]) be asked to  
>demonstrate
> >>>>to
> >>>>the list that he has explicit permission from Pa Nderry Mbai  to
> >>>> forward
> >>>>Mr. Mbai's private messages to the list. Barring any  satisfactory
> >>>>demonstration (the standard should be obvious to all)by Mr.  Jallow, 
>he
> >>>>should be immediately delisted in accordance with set rules of  the
> >>>> list.
> >>>>
> >>>>I believe it is under the circumstances of Mr. Mbai's claim  of 
>illegal
> >>>>compromise that his (Mr. Mbai's) email account was delisted -  because
> >>>> he
> >>>>purported to not have control of his email account. It defies  logic
> >>>> (in
> >>>>my
> >>>>opinion) to see his private messages being forwarded to the  list with
> >>>> no
> >>>>explicit raising of eyebrows by the list management. Not to my
> >>>> knowledge
> >>>>so far.
> >>>>
> >>>>There has been precedent to such behavior on the  list and the outcome
> >>>>was
> >>>>swift and clear to all.
> >>>>
> >>>>My apolgies if this  issue is being dealt with under the  shadows.
> >>>>
> >>>>-BambaLaye
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, June 7, 2006 6:42 pm,  Ebou Jallow said:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>*From*: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>*Sent*:  Friday, May 19, 2006 5:54 AM
> >>>>>*To*: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>*Subject*:  Our Private Lives- Pa Nderry an observation  please
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Pa Nderry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am a visitor to your site.  Congrats for setting up the online news
> >>>>>service. I enjoy alot going  through it .However what is disturbing 
>to
> >>>>>me
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>that people's  private lives are constantly dragged into what seems 
>to
> >>>>>have
> >>>>>no links  with issues that are relevant to national development. My
> >>>>>first
> >>>>>example is mentioning who had a child with Tamsir Jassey and the
> >>>>> second
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>the said report on Ambassador Crispin Johnson. I don't know him but  
>I
> >>>>>think
> >>>>>it is unfair to disclose his personal life who he is  living with, or
> >>>>>who
> >>>>>he
> >>>>>sleeps with, excuse my bluntness. It  sounds so ridiculous to me. It
> >>>>>makes
> >>>>>me
> >>>>>wonder do we have some  online saints? Really not. Talking about
> >>>>>corruption,
> >>>>>politics  and everything affecting us as a nation is right, but 
>trying
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>smear  others just for the sake of it is something else. Whoever your
> >>>>>source
> >>>>>is on alledged sexual harassmnet meted out to her by any one  should
> >>>>>have
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>guts to speak out, without hiding. Keeping  silent entrenches the
> >>>>>problem.
> >>>>>If
> >>>>>it is true, I know it is not  only the said ambassador who is guilty
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>sexual harassment in the  Gambia, not only in government, it is every
> >>>>>where
> >>>>>in our schools, in  the private offices, in our houses, in the media.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>am
> >>>>>presently  working on a book to be published in some months ahead and
> >>>>>one
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>the themes explored is sexual harassment in The Gambia.. I am not
> >>>>>trying
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>defend the ambassador becuase I am a government  officer but I am
> >>>>>writing
> >>>>>an
> >>>>>independent opinion and certainly  as a journalist as well. I know 
>his
> >>>>>name
> >>>>>casually like the name of any  other person of high portfolio in
> >>>>>government.
> >>>>>Thats all but I  feel it is not right to denigrate him on no grounds,
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>think
> >>>>>it is a matter of personal choice whether he lives with his family or
> >>>>>alone.
> >>>>>In fact most of us are living away from our families outside  the
> >>>>>country.
> >>>>>If
> >>>>>he is corrupt or kind of issues that concern  us as a nation, why 
>not,
> >>>>>belch
> >>>>>it out, sure we all need to  know, but otherwise, things like who
> >>>>> drinks
> >>>>>beer
> >>>>>or has a girl  friend in the corner is not substantiate enough to use
> >>>>>valuable time  on our newspapers that have such a lofty mission. We
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>more
> >>>>>pressing issues to discuss. I saw no link either with mentioning that
> >>>>>Katy
> >>>>>Joh had a daughter with Tamsir to national issues.I dont know her  
>but
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>feel
> >>>>>it is equally ridiculous to say that.
> >>>>>Most  times i feel it so hard to figure out whether I am reading
> >>>>> reports
> >>>>>or
> >>>>>some personal opinions on freedom newspaper on line. A newspaper
> >>>>> report
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>not a page of fiction neither a chapter on a creative novel nor a
> >>>>>summary
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>a boigraphical tale.
> >>>>>Therefore Mr. Mbai, I  am saying keep up the good work and congrats
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>establishing the  newspaper online. But focus on better issues, we
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>loads
> >>>>>of  bags of relevant issues on national developemnt to unload.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mariama Khan
> >>>>>Postgraduate student
> >>>>>Turin, italy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>autho- Futa Toro
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Coauthor -Juffureh Kissing you with hurting  lips
> >>>>>and Proverbs of The Senegambia
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mariama  Khan
> >>>>>
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