Nyar,
You have so much to offer and you very brilliantly did this in your piece
below.I totally agree with all that you are saying.My problem with my good
friend Mike seems to be that,should we unite for the purpose of getting away
with Jammeh or should we unite for a better Gambia.I am still of the opinion
that the porsoe of unity should be greater than a semi fascist regime and we
cant separate the two.
You raised the issue of all the failed African revolutions,that were meant
to improve the life of our People.All these failures did not come just
because imperialism is a bad boy.IN my opinion we never dealt with the issue
of what we want and have been concentrating much of our efforts on what we
are opposed to.This is why the day after victory is always a mess.Lets take
our own Uganda,which you know better than I do.Amin is long gone,with all
those who were fighting and dying for a better Uganda and what happened to
that dream.No it is enough,we must let the masses come in the lead and
speak their minds too.I agree with you 100 %,no progress will happen without
us taking all these dirty mess under the carpet and discuss them.I must also
thank you for the many fine articles you have been sending to the list,keep
on the good work.Africa has no more time for dictators,it is time they go
and never again to come back.
For Freedom
Saiks
>From: uga749d <[log in to unmask]>
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><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: ****Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
>Violence
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:05:44 +0100
>
>Fellow brothers and sisters,
>
>I don't have anything to offer here, but I do tend to agree with what Mike
>is saying. What we need to do first and foremost, is to identify the root
>course(s) of our problems - how did it come to be as it is today, and how
>was it before ? How far back did it start? How do we go about it? - What
>is it that makes even our most well-intending leaders all end up almost in
>the same way?
>
>Do we anticipate to see the results in our present time, or it something
>that is likely to take a very L O N G time to achieve. If the
>later
>is the answer, do I still care to fight on if I am not going to see it come
>in my life, or shall I continue with the struggle for the benefit of our
>future generation?
>
>Just look, for example, at all the former colonies and so-called
>"protectorates". Is the situation unique to just our country?
>
>How do other countries foreign policies affect us?
>
>How does the "AID" politics work?
>The IMF, the World Bank, the UN, etc - how do they operate and who
>benefits - how and why were they created - and do they still bear the same
>values (if at all they had any)?
>
>How many are we who are capable of seeing this - and how do we get the
>others to come to this level - how do we go about it?
>
>Divide and Rule through their own sons/daughters
>Impoverise them
>Distablise the country (if necessary the whole region) - thereby causing
>little or no human, technical development, etc
>Make viruses (to be used when and where it is necessary)
>Instill Fear into them
>Their good leaders who pose a threat to our interests - turnish their
>image - get them killed, overthrown and forced to live in exile. Their
>citizens believe in us - they will believe what we say about him/her
>Make them look upon us for their solutions - B I N G O!!!!!
>etc, etc, etc.
>
>Do such things sound real to you? - I bet not
>
>And did you that there are two very common expressions used on us?
>
>(1) AFRICA HAS THE MOST EDUCATED FOOLS
>
>(2) AFRICA KILLS HER OWN "SUNS"
>
>Also, have you ever asked yourself this question - Who really should be the
>POOR, third world? How can a whole continent which is so rich in all the
>mineral resources on earth, also be the poorest? The raw material needed
>for technology -most of it, if not all of it comes from Africa
>
>Cry! Cry! My Continent Cry!!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Nyar'Onyango
>
>**************
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "samateh saikou" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:02 PM
>Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
>Violence
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Great to see your comments and I could not just let this go without
>letting
> > you know that you are raising points that are very important at this
>stage
> > of the political development.Keep up the good work down there.But after
> > saying that I would definitely continue to insist that this form of
> > political romance has not produced any desired results so far and that
>we
> > should be thinking of its importance and even where as we choose to take
> > it,how we must not repeat what is happening in Kenya,in Ghana or
>Senegal.
> > Good that you took up the Kenyan case.You might be surprise to know that
>one
> > of those marking big political noise in Kenya today is Moi.I happen to
>know
> > Koiki whiles he was in exile in Norway,a very nice brother,who never
> > continue his University studies in the USA, he called it off and
>returned
> > home to take up the struggle .He was from a Poor family,upon his
> > returned,the many tortures,detentions etc for decades did not stop him
>and
> > today he is a member of parliament.You don't just have little respect
>for
> > such type of people,you respect them more than anything else.What happen
> > after the victory ?The frustrations that people in that country are
>facing
> > right now is overshadowing the cosmetic changes that have so far taken
> > place, and in the next stage,if things remain as they are,you will see
>Moi
> > emerging again as a national hero.The first thing that this new
>Parliament
> > did was to increase their salaries in such a way and manner that the
> > majority of Kenyans began to question what happened to the slogan
>"Without
> > Moi,everything is possible".I don't believe that Jammeh will be there as
> > long as Jawara,the political situation in the country is not saying
>that,but
> > what will follow,do we have to wait until then to talk about it ?What I
>am
> > insisting on is that there are many examples of such, are we learning
>from
> > them ? I disagree with you on the issue of democracy and social
>changes.For
> > me these are two inseparable life issues that must go hand in hand and
>not
> > one waiting for the another or that one become the product of the
> > other.Pinochet is gone and where is Chile today ?We must not think that
>such
> > are automatic development,they are all products of struggle for a better
> > society.In my opinion I don't think that it is correct to habour the
>believe
> > in us that,all that is important is get rid of the semi fascist APRC
>regime
> > and all that will follow will be the good.Do we know how the PDOIS or
>UDP
>or
> > take NDAM for that matter,believed in what manner an "Independent
>Electoral
> > Committee" should function ?Do we know what the PDOIS ,UDP or Ndam are
> > thinking of how political power should be transferred from day one to
>the
> > ordinary Gambian people ?It seems these are some of the questions you
>mean
> > to say that we wait with until Jammeh is gone.That is not our
> > experience,ours is that,we Had Jawara for more than 30 years of
>political
> > brutality and economic mismanagement and then Jammeh.There is no better
>time
> > for us to guarantee our selves that,never again "a political
>fascist"than
> > now.I don't believed it is a question of the future but now.
> >
> > For Freedom
> > Saiks
> >
> >
> > >From: malik kah <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> > > Violence
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:28 +0000
> > >
> > >Sheiks, I share your sentiments but what you fail to realise is that
>such
> > >coalitions are not designed or meant to address the fundamental issues
>you
> > >raised, issues such as the living conditions of the people such issues
>are
> > >and must be embeded on principles guided by ideology and the parties
>that
> > >normally forge such coalitions do not normally share a common
>ideological
> > >approac for their existence is usually conditioned by the fact that a
> > >change
> > >to re-start is both essential and inevitable, if there exist a facist
> > >regime
> > >it is incumbent on all and sundry to devsie a strategy to oust them and
> > >after they are gone, it is assumed that a mouch more healthier climate
>than
> > >hitherto existed would ensue and this is precisely why a bonding of
>this
> > >nature is increasingly popular. Such coalitions are essentially not
> > >designed
> > >to address needs but to redress democratic deficiencies that have
>become
> > >the
> > >norm of governance under tyrants or despots. Obviously the need to
>address
> > >some issues are prerequisites to forging such alliances but their
>greater
> > >good are self evident. For instance take Kenya, eventhough everything
>is
> > >not
> > >rosy, but the fact MOI had been ousted is a good thing, obviously a lot
>of
> > >issues needs to be further explored to give back power to the people,
>for
> > >me
> > >I see it as a single step towards the right direction, I have taken on
> > >board
> > >some of your reservations but broadly I think with a rustic electorate
>in
> > >Africa and the continued exploitation of the gullibility of the people,
>the
> > >strategy of coming together from opposing poles to create a more
>tolereant
> > >political lanscape is welcoming.
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >><[log in to unmask]>
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> > >> Violence
> > >>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:03:51 +0000
> > >>
> > >>Mr Drammeh,
> > >>
> > >>I have been enjoying your exchange and the many interesting issues you
> > >>have
> > >>been putting us through.However there are certain points that I
>believed
> > >>are
> > >>not inline with my own view of what is going on.
> > >>The Political situation in Senegal is very interesting and we as
>Gambians
> > >>should pay great attentions to the developments there.First,let me
>tell
> > >>you
> > >>what I feel about Negritude.The reason why I believed that Africans
>are
> > >>not
> > >>interested in this political thought, is because of the fact that it
>has
> > >>been the most reactionary political thought that has ever emerged in
>the
> > >>continent since independent.Negritude was posing itself as an
>alternative
> > >>to
> > >>Pan-Africanism,reducing its meaning to the well known slogan of the
> > >>founder
> > >>"Reason Greek,emotion African".Critics like Anta Jobe have accused
> > >>Senghore
> > >>of not knowing his history and for that reason came to such a
> > >>conclusion.Negritude does not only say that all that is black is
> > >>"beautiful"
> > >>but also glorifying terrible African history,conditions and
>culture.This
> > >>you
> > >>can simply find out in the writings of both Senghore and likes of Lye
> > >>Camara
> > >>of Guinea.The most interesting contradictions is that,must of these
>people
> > >>live a life very different from that of the African.Take Senghore's
>"Night
> > >>in Sine" and compare this with the life of Senghore and the condition
>of
> > >>the
> > >>African Woman in the village.Falsifying the African culture,history or
> > >>beign
> > >>is the least we need as a struggling continent.
> > >> Secondly the Political situation in Senegal is perhaps more
> > >>complicated.For more than 10 years,Senegalese oppositions Parties have
> > >>been
> > >>working together to bring about political change in that country and
>among
> > >>the most active in this work were the most progressive political
>parties
> > >>in
> > >>that country,who were also banned political parties during the Period
>of
> > >>Senghore and the bann lifted by the Joof.After bringing down the PS
> > >>regime,these people are now face with another situation and the
>condition
> > >>of
> > >>the ordinary Senegalese still the same.
> > >>The lesson for us Gambians is that,is it just enough that we are
>against
> > >>the
> > >>semi fascist APRC regime or do we want a better Gambia after
>Jammeh.This
> > >>is
> > >>what is the problem with people like me and my lack of interest in a
> > >>unified
> > >>Opposition against Jammeh.Not only in Senegal,but in Accra too this is
>the
> > >>problem,even though bringing down the regime of Junior Judas brought
>hope
> > >>to
> > >>the ordinary people,very little has changed in the life of ordinary
> > >>Ghanaians.Are the opposition parties capable of bringing about change
>for
> > >>a
> > >>better Gambia.Do we ever here them telling us how is this going to
>take
> > >>place.Much of what we hear from them is what they are against and
>most
>of
> > >>us agree with them on those issue.Learning from Senegal or Ghana,will
>mean
> > >>that the oppositions parties tell us what they are for and how they
>are
> > >>going to go about it and then we can put in place things that will
>make
>it
> > >>impossible to have another fascist regime,light or strong.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>For Freedom
> > >>Saiks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: Oko Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >>><[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> > >>> Violence
> > >>>Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:55:44 +0100
> > >>>
> > >>>Culture and Life.
> > >>>
> > >>>We want Africa to asset her self, to preserve her personality to up
>hold
> > >>>and excercise her Lirbety
> > >>>of actions .We want Africa to recover her dignity which should be
> > >>>expressed
> > >>>and acknowledge.
> > >>>Senegal is a hurdle too high to jump.
> > >>>
> > >>>QUOATATION
> > >>>" I notice that all of thoes comminting on Senegalese politics are
>the
> > >>>ones
> > >>>who never made a
> > >>>single comment on the APRC regime "
> > >>>Jabou Joh wrote.
> > >>>
> > >>>This is what this time of political emergence of the African people
>to
> > >>>liberty and dignity
> > >>>commands us to do.
> > >>>
> > >>>Renovations should sweep the past But sadly Senegal; is still
>strengthen
> > >>>by colonialism.
> > >>>
> > >>>There is oppression in the Gambia as a nation but in Senegal there is
> > >>>still
> > >>>Neo colonialism and
> > >>>ANTI-African Unity a virus that affects the Contienent of Africa as a
> > >>>whole
> > >>>and the diaspora..
> > >>>
> > >>>Much respect and Love.
> > >>>
> > >>>For The records.
> > >>>Oko Drammeh
> > >>>
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