I want to clarify that it is the "bai faals" who are engaged in this shirk.
Yero's examples of Elijah Muhammad's son and Malcolm X's renounciation of the Nation of Islam are prime examples of the importance of speaking out against shirk as Muslims and thereby guiding each other. Infact, this is the duty of every Muslim, especially when it comes to matters of shirk because shirk is a serious matter since man engaging in shirk and "bida" is how he has managed to alter the message of Allah sent to His creation and many times it is done to benefit those who engage in it.
Jabou
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Subject: Re: tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal
Suntou,
My dad's family comes from a village near Touba and infact, there are some
family connections for us there. However, my father left there as a young man
and never set foot again in touba, nor did I ever hear him even mention the
'maggal'Â in our household. He was a very pious man and avoided shirk at all
cost. The Mourids are engaged in big time shirk and you are right, if one were
to speak against it in Senegal , you would be met with untold ignorance andÂ
they would probably kill you. This is why those who did not want to be
associated with this cult movement left the place.
Jabou Joh
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Subject: Re: tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal
yero,some info on amadou bamba .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AhmaduBamba.jpg
what i know of the mbye faal movement.i need some one to verify my info .the
information was posted on bantaba a while ago.have a read.
yero this was posted in july 2007.
this posting may irritate some people but that is the
historical account i heard about the mbay faals or the touba murids.
why are the grand sons and family of serign bamba maintaining a religious order
or doctrine that have nothing to do with islam ? who was serign bamba bah ?
what brand of islam did he adhered to ? who was his teacher and who are his
students ? would he tollerate this situation happpening in Touba in senegal
today if alive? who is sheik ibra faal?
the short story goes as follows .the creation of mbye faal in touba .sheik ibra
faal was believe to be a student of serign bamba .they narrated that ibra faal
was having a mental disorder .he was acting strange and advicing his own family
to do strange things .ibra faal was very loyal to sereign bamba ,he would do any
thing for bamba but serign bamba knew his loyal sarvant has a mental
problem.they said ibra faal would advice his family and some villagers to make
even children fast during ramadam .he would advice people to make there
livestocks not eat any thing during fasting. this unislamic statements reach
serign bamba .he summond sheik ibra faal and asked him about all the strange
things he was doing .he ibra faal admitted to making those comments.
from that point serign bamba bah ,they said narrated the hadith of prophet
muhammad (pbuh) '' three types of human beings are excuse from religious duties
,one a mad person. some one insane ,one who cannot distinguise between good and
evil .secondly a child before he/she reach adulthood .children are not
accountable for religious things they do .if they do good things fine if not
fine ,but the parents should bring up chids with descipline and care. thirdly
some one sleeping .if one is sleeping he/she is not accountable for any thing at
that period''.
now serign bamba assess sheik ibra faal's mental state and came to the
conclusion that the man is insane ,or unstable. he then use that hadith of
prophet muhammad to advice sheik ibra faal not to engage in any acts of worship
like fasting ,praying and so on.
this statement of serign bamba became distorted by many in senegal. they
concluded that serign bamba said to ibra faal ''don't pray i will surfice you
infront of God in judgement day ''. how unaccurate. who is serign bamba to have
that status ? how can he change the command of God? even prophet muhammad was
told you cannot decide who goes to paradise or hell .let alone serign bamba .but
serign bamba like many big scholars knew better .he never said to ibra faal
don't pray i will surfice you. he uses his scholarly mind to assess ibra faal
who was even telling mothers to make babies fast.
why did the mbye faal cult emerge arround the person of ibra faal ?. a mad men
in africa use to have dreaded hears or locks .even in the gambia ,mad men's hear
are always locks and unkempt. this was how ibra faal's head looks like. a symbol
of madness .this is the same symbol the mbye faal imitate without properly
analysing why did he allow his hear to locks and be dreaded .
some people among the sufis in past use to also have locks call jimbo in
mandinka .there was a song to that effect .jimbo jimbe sanye balo ( a dread
locks that will never be shave off ). this sufi men would abandon living among
people ,they will take refuge in the forest and survive on fruits and things
like that. they don't combe their hears .
the family or later ofsprings of seriegn Bamba and some his talibe's sons came
together to form a cult of sereign bamba and the insane ibra faal .they make up
all sorts of stories around the two persons. ibra faal cutting threes all day
and he missed asri salah ,so bamba told him don't worry about that i will
qaranttee you infron of God .all lies. sereign bamba praying on the river whilst
transported to Gabon ,this can't be verified.
the maggal and the like are all money generating schemes and to provide comfort
to those ignorant folks.
all they are engaging in Touba is shreik .bidah .why can't sereign bamba's
offspring tell the mbye faals the truth ?why can't they advice the mbye faals to
stop drinking alcahol in the name of ibra faal ? there are many simple questins
one can ask the socall sheiks of Touba but if one dear to ask them ,you may get
kill for exposing their gran scam .it is so sad what they are doing on the good
name of sereign bamba .may his soul rest in peace.amen.
i expect some reactions.
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power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool
.(malcolm x ) Santanfara
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 11:33:46
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i may not have the time to clarify the dreadlocks issue later so let me do
it now.
i don't mean dreadlocks is a sign of madness in all circumstances .i mean in
many parts of africa ,it use to be a sign of madness. jimbo is the mandinka name
for dreadlocks .some warrior fighters use to bread there hears and hide jujus
underneath them .the nyanchos and korings use to do that .
i also listen to the story of the black hat man in jamiaca who was known to be
the fisrt rasta man. i listen to burny wellars version of the story .i listen to
the naration about 12 years ago. the song is call the black man ,but even in
burny wellars song he said ''people use to think that the black hat man was
mad''. i did not say that dread locks mean madness ,it use to mean that way in
long time ago.now it is symbol of fashion and life style not madness.
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power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool
.(malcolm x ) Santanfara
United Arab Emirates
1721 Posts
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:44:11
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interesting ,i didn't have any reactions . well i thought lemon time the
mbye faal would have attacked me.
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power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool
.(malcolm x ) mansasulu
309 Posts
Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 21:21:02
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my brother, i think your observations to say the least are flawless
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad
(Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... Santanfara
United Arab Emirates
1721 Posts
Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 23:52:04
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thanks mansa , there are two sides to a coin .i hope some body will come
with another version so that we can debate in the making of the touba elites and
the gang mbye falls
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Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
(Courtesy of Freedom Newspaper)
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/2664/SENEGAL-THE-MURIDS-KHALIF-GENERAL-SERIGN-SALIOU-MBACKE-PASSES-AWAY/Default.aspx
Indeed, a great tree has fallen. May Almighty God be pleased with his soul.
Their father according to history was a very pious and gifted one. May Almighty
God be pleased with his soul-the late Amadou Bamba Ba.
One thing that is not certain to me, whether they the succeeding caliphates of
the great Sheik Amadou Bamba Ba (May Allah Be Pleased with him) denounced the
teachings of their followers (talibehs)whose way is not conforming to the
teachings of the respected Bamba Ba (may Allah be pleased with him.)
Does anyone here know their stance on these talibehs locally known as
"Mbai-Faals?"
Yero.
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