Haruna wrote:
"When you delve deeper into Obama's activities in South Chicago, you will
come to the realisation that there are other communities in Chicago that were
down-trodden for one reason or the other. But Obama chose these other
down-trodden people of South Chicago. Edwards running as senator in North
Carolina fought for the down-trodden in other areas of North Carolina, South
Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachussetts, Alabama, and California."
"The comparison here is kinda moot." Ousman.
You are right. I'm sorry for making such a comparison.
"Obama graduated from Harvard and chose to organize a community blighted by
factory closings.Were there other communities in similar situations? You
bet." Ousman.
Very well. I'm glad you have concluded similarly. It is so good to speak
with you Ousman. This is why I love the hell out ofyou.
"You still have them all over this country today." Ousman.
Indeed.
"However comparing the efforts of a recent college graduate (Obama) with
that of a candidate(Edwards) running for state wide office is a stretch." Ousman.
Jabou are you here with ousman and me?
"For starters the former is just scrapping by while the latter has the
resources of a campaign to amplified his message." Ousman.
Fair enough. Is it John Edwards' fault that he had some resources to amplify
his message? You will be surprised to know that Obama and his wife together
are probably financially better off than John Edwards and his wife. It is the
attendant value of John Edwards and the folk who associate with him because
of that value that makes for the tipping point as Environmentalists are wont
to caution.
"Edwards maybe the son of mill workers, but he hasn't organize those
communities when the mills closed down. Instead he lawyered on and made millions in
the process." Ousman.
My friend and your friend Ousman. I think you are collating different epochs
and unduly innuring disdain for Edwards. The mills were in Seneca, South
Carolina. John Edwards' mother moved the toddler to North Carolina. John Edwards
is a distinguished Senator from North Carolina. The mills where his parents
worked were in Seneca. The closing of the Mills in Seneca was part of an
industrial restructuring and obsolescence in textile recombinations etcetera.
Those whose jobs were lost to this re-allignment, are the founders of most other
industry responsible for the growth of the Carolinas today. Sometimes the
mirage of factory closings and job-losses only impact nirvana. The discerning
policy maker does not try to take advantage of the semi-literate's
understandings and temporal misfortune in the larger scheme of nation-building. John
Edwards speaks to America. Obama chose to speak to South Shitown, a suburb of
Shitown, in the state of Illinois in Amarika!!! Ousman, you are emphasizing
Jabou's and my point on the scope of values. I love you men. I refer you to a
book edited by John Edwards: HOME, The Blueprints of Our Lives. In it you will
find submissions by Former Senator Bob Dole of Viagra fame, Danny Glover,
Sugar Ray Leonard, among many distinguished folk. If you speak with Farrakhan he
will tell you what he thinks of John Edwards. I want to take this opportunity
to inform you that Detroit continues to suffer from the blight of the big 3
Automakers. Do you suppose Obama has enogu resources to fight for the
residents of northeast Deeeetroit? Oh I'm sorry, he lacks time now for presidential
considerations.
What do these people have in Common:
Lieutenant Governor Mark Taylor of Georgia?
Former Governor Roy Barnes of Georgia?
They associate themselves with value in John Edwards.
"I am not mad at him for going for the benjamins." Ousman.
This is not fair, because you know it is not true that Edwards does anything
for benjamins or dinars.
"However, in comparison to Obama, he is johnny come lately when it comes to
advocating for the poor." Ousman.
But Ousman you just finished telling us that Obama was scrapping for a meal
ticket to enable him to dine in one of the many cafeterias of Harvard, a meal
card that Edwards' advocacy helped in yielding. And you now tell us that as
compared to Obama, Edwards was a JJC. Something is missing in this logic. At
least Jabou was only confused in scopes, you want to re-write history. APRC
would love a Gambian like you.
"He has a populist message, but some of his approach to solving poverty
issues are elitist." Ousman.
Ousman, you're making this assessment so easy. Did I tell you I love you?
Well I'm saying it now. So Edwards is a populist as compared to Obama. The word
Populist connotes actuarial advantage. Is it therefore safe to say that more
Americans prefer John Edwards to Barack O'bama. I'm told he is related to
Cheyney.
"Take for instance the poverty center he sponsored at University of North
Carolina to bring policy experts to study how to get people out of poverty.This
kind of policy studies has been going on in almost all elite universities in
the country albeit under different names. A community organizer like Obama
with that kind of mullah will go with practical solutions rather than funding
centers to produce some more policy papers. There is a gloat of policy papers
rotting in institutions all over this country. The problem is lack of funds
for implementation." Ousman.
You forgot to share with us some of the accomplishments of that Poverty
Center. Take a look again. There is no lack of funds anywhere there is an
abundance of will. All the while Obama was contemplating a choice between cold-cuts
and chicken noodle soup in the cafeteria line. Chei!!! New Gambians.
"Alright, I have riled you up enough for the night. I will sit back and
relax...waiting for the cult of Edwards to kick in...incoming..."Ousman.
You know I'm like a friggin museum piece. It'll take a lot of hootenanny to
get me riled on up!! Ousman, I know you're a distinguished engineer. BTW,
forget I asked for Obama's help in the big 3 fiasco. Sorry. Anyways, I on the
other hand am a starving engineer. We were taught in engineering economy that in
order to properly assess the efficacies of a certain engineering project
such as the Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden, or the Channel Tunnel
between England and France, or the River Tunnel that links North and South
Senegal under River Gambia that I'm about to assist Yahya in considering, we must
reduce expectant Future worth to Present monies and worths. Then we project
those present worths into the future using Annualized Equivalents. Finally we
compare those projected AEs to our original projected Future worth and decide
whether we should even consider the project. Right? Well in assessing
Edwards and Obama to be president, consider the Presidency to our Project. Now if
you don't know the Annual Operating and maintenance figures of one of the
alternatives, or if one alternative is socially more preferred (populist), all
else being equal, would you even entertain the more inferior altrernative. What
I think you ought to do is to harness the erstwhile values of the despondent
alternative to improve even further, the yield of the preferred alternative.
That will be good for sustainable development. Edwards-Obama. Jabou.
Your friend and Jabou's friend; Haruna.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
"Haruna," Jabou.
Yes Darling, how are you. I like the way you speak and what you say always.
You have an immensely powerful voice fertilized, as our friend Karim is
wont
to drammatize, by prolific study, acumen, and measured tone. Any candidate
would like to have your support. I'm not giving up on Ousman either. I love
him
very much. Just don't get any funny ideas Ousman.
"I do not know that what Edwards can represent to the American people is
not the same as what Obama will." Jabou.
I was under the same impressions too. Then I began a study of senators who
later run for President in a revolutionarily different way that reviews
marginal values. There is a wealth of information that when properly
reviewed or
reviewed in the directions of questions one might have when making marginal
distinction assessments, you will come away with a benign but discerning
conclusion. If you review the matters/bills that Clinton, Obama, and
Edwards have
offered votes on in the senate, (not the ones Obama and Clinton
conveniently
absented themselves on for expediency sakes), you can draw important
demographic information from their affect on Americans, both in quantity
and quality
that has brought me to the conclusion that Edwards is a more valuable
change to
more Americans than either Obama or Clinton. I had also come to the
conclusion that Obama will be a more valuable change to immigrant Americans
than
either Edwards or Clinton, and that Clinton is the hungriest of them all to
become President. Take a look at how many bills Obama and Clinton absented
themselves from voting on and find out what those bills are. Then look at
the bills
all three voted on and you will notice that Edwards never absented himself
from voting on critical and significant matters as well as those matters
that
are politically inexpedient to vote on. A solid human.Let us know how your
review looks like.
"Also, I do not think that there is any indication that Obama beileves in
religion as other than a moral compass." Jabou.
Probably not and I did not qualify Obama's belief in that realm. I shared
Edwards' belief in the realm.
Obama had recognized the value of religious congregations and the almost
complete patronage of evangelists by Republicans. Given his political
industriousness, he embarked on a campaign to wrest a slice of this section
of society
from Republicans and rightly so. I happen to believe that you neither court
nor discount the religious evangelist vote. You allow them to choose
without
giving the facade of their participation as a group in governance and
administration of the state. An active campaign to woo them trends too
closely to
quid-pro-quo and if you do not deliver their perceived quid, they can
severely
malign your administration. Only a seasoned governor and policy-maker can
recognize these subtle flaws in character. Because as you know, the
evangelists
are active voters and they vote in order to skew public policy in favour of
their religion. They do not hide their intentions and motives. It takes a
strong character to resist the temptation to maligned judgement. When you
ask
Obama, he frames his responses this way:
"We have to show America that Democrats too care about religion". That
statement itself says a lot about his dispensation. Jabou, I know that you
are a
devout muslim. Have you ever felt like you have to show me and Suntou and
Malanding how much you care about Islam? If you begin to run for President,
and
you then embark on an active campaign to show us how much you care about
Islam,
whether that is good or not, would it not give me pause in distinctions? Our
friend Ousman shared that Obama fought for the downtrodden in the south side
of Chicago. I will share more on this later but that southside vote was
what
gained Obama the state seat against an incumbent democrat, also African
American. When you delve deeper into Obama's activities in South Chicago,
you
will come to the realisation that there are other communities in Chicago
that
were down-trodden for one reason or the other. But Obama chose these other
down-trodden people of South Chicago. Edwards running as senator in North
Carolina fought for the down-trodden in other areas of North Carolina,
South
Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachussetts, Alabama, and
California.
Speak with Jimmy Carter and ask him to share his views on Obama and
Edwards. He
will tell you he loves both of them but that Edwards is more valuable to
all
America than Obama. It is not because Edwards is white and more Americans
are white that is why we say this. It is because of the quality of his
values
and since African Americans are disproportionately disenfranchised in all
states, they received the value of Edwards' efforts more than Whites.
Edwards
does not apologise for that. When the question arose in one of the debates
about
Obama being black and Clinton being a woman, John Edwards responded, and in
public, that whoever does not vote for Obama because he is black, or
Clinton
because she is a woman, he, John Edwards does NOT want your vote. Now the
untrained eye will view this as political suicide and indeed it costed
Edwards
some white support because they began labelling him as an angry candidate.
Of
course they cannot make a distinction between anger and passion and half of
those idiots belong in an insane asylum anyways, we just don't have a
comprehensive mental health intitution in the US that is why some of these
retards
find their way on talk shows and radio programs and TV interviews. Obama
has a
keen eye on the Presidency, has had even before the "grassroots downtrodden
advocacy" in SOuth Shitown.
"As for being beholden to corporate America, well, all American presidents
are somewhat beholden to corporate America, and the difference is perhaps
just
a matter of degrees." Jabou.
Let us say you are right in the immediate above. You are therefore
admitting
that corporate America does command inordinate and a formidable power to
coerce American Presidents. The same will therefore be true of Evangelic
America. Now Edwards actually challenged the powers of corporate America in
the
court of law and won overwhelmingly. He therefore helped stem the cancer in
corporate America and enhanced the good in it for the prosperity of America.
In
his campaign speeches when he ran with Kerry and now, he has always served
notice that he is immune to corporate control, no matter how formidable that
may
be. And another thing. I think your recognition that both Edwards and Obama
will represent refreshing change in the American Presidency gives you hope
that
the two will be different from past American Presidents. We all therefore
take solace in the idea of an Edwards or Obama Presidency. You will however
agree with me that in America, Just being President does not innoculate the
ordinary American from the relentl;ess onslaught of Pharmaceutical and
other
Corporate interests. We must therefore go further than just the Presidency
if it
is the refreshing change we are really interested in. It has come to light
that most of Obama's advisors are leftover Clinton advisors. You may
remmember
when one of those advisors disrespectfully tried to malign the former
President Bill Clinton. And Obama shared with us that the former Clinton
advisor was
speaking of his past relations with Bill Clinton and therefore he, Obama is
not privy to that and cannot say anything on it. And the former Clinton
advisor is now an Obama advisor. Discernments. I also would like our
brother and
friend Ousman to share with us one tangible value accrued from Obama's
"campaign for down-trodden votes in south SHitown". It is evident that the
United
Steel workers of America, The united Mine Workers of the same nation, The
Carpenters Union, and many more see more value in John Edwards than Obama,
Clinton, or other. Is there a national union of the un-employed of South
Chicago? We
may be presented with mirages of "grassroots campaign for votes" and
"grassroots conscientious advocacy".
"Having said that, Obama has spoken out against the insurance companies who
are at the top of the food chain when it comes to corporate America because
they own just about everything." Jabou.
Exactly my point Jabou. First, you should never speak against any corporate
or individual interest because they own just about everything. That is the
wrong impetus. Now John Edwards did not stop at speaking out against rogue
corporate policies, he challenged them in courts on the behalf of Americans
and
overcame their enormous powers. He is only a lawyer as was Obama. Has Obama
filed suit against any rogue corporate policy on the behalf of the common
American? Those insurance companies he "spoke out against", has he
challenged them
in a court of law on the merits or demerits of his disdain of them? Obama
was head of the Harvard Law Review. If Obama finds himself in a situation
where
vote-counting can yield a loss of his election to a Republican candidate,
what do you think will happen? What do you think Obama will do?
"You are right, I like both Edwards and Obama, and I think that Edwards is
a
great candidate, but I do not think that he will win the primaries." Jabou.
I think you are looking at the polls of those who view Edwards as an angry
candidate. Look deeper and follow the citizens of Iowa, New Hampshire,
South
Carolina, and Nevada. We are talking about primaries aren't we???? Check
around your neck of the woods around Cleveland Tennessee, Chattanooga,
Memphis,
Nashville, Jackson, Milan, etcetera. Let us know what you find out.
"He is good but America sees him as having been part of the old
establishment even if only because he ran before." Jabou.
I know you're just being sarcastic here. Who among all candidates,
Republican or Democratic, has not been part of the old Establishment. Don't
be swayed
by cliches of these lunatics who fell through the administrative cracks for
lack of enough space at rehab.
"I think Obama on the other hand stands a very good chance of winning the
primaries and Americans are angry enough at the republicans so that none of
their candidates stands a chance in the national elections, no matter who
they
are." Jabou.
Indeed Jabou. I agree with you. Obama does stand a very good chance of
winning at least one of the primaries if not all. As far as the anger of
Americans
at Republicans, I presume you share that all the democratic candidates
stand
equal chances when pitted against a Republican. We can all cherish that but
let us focus for now on the voting democrats for the democratic primaries.
What we are trying to discern is "EDwards, Obama, or Clinton, who represents
the
most valuable and desirable change for Democratic Americans". After the
primaries, we will change our effort by removing the word democratic from
our
query.
"So a wonderful and winning strategy for Democrats this time would be an
Obama/Edwards ticket." Jabou.
That wouldn't be a bad ticket either. If that ends up being the ticket it
would be formidable. It will be more formidable against the Republicans in
all
of America if it turns out to be Edwards-Biden, Edwards-Clinton,
Edwards-Obama, or Edwards-Gore. What do you think????
"Together, they can restore the hopes of the people and make great headway
towards reversing the damage that the last 8 years of a Bush
Administration
has done" Jabou.
Anything is a refreshing change from the last 8 years of cluelessness.
"Thanks for providing the link to Ousman's blog, I had not known of it
before. As for Andrew Young Ousman, he dances to the music of corporate
America
and so he has to pay the piper so no surprises there. He has now made a
career
of leading the pillagers and plunderers into Africa. Dr King is no doubt
turning in his grave." Jabou.
This is not fair. I have contributed in forming a comprehensive alliance
against my person and Edwards' person. This is not fair Jabou and Ousman.
The
two of you simply are too overwhelming even if I summon the entire essence
of my
very being. Please have mercy on me from here on in or pledge not to gang up
against me and Edwards.
"Jabou"
What Friggin-ever. You mean Jabou and Ousman, don't you?? Whew. New
Gambians!!
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: Haruna Darbo
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna
Jabou, you know you are beautiful. I can never get upset at you.
I think you like both John Edwards and Obama, but that you like Obama more
because his election will represent much needed change.
Would you consider that the election of John Edwards will also represent
change?
The work therefore is in discerning between John Edwards and Obama, who is
the more desirable change!!!
Now, like you about John Edwards, I like Obama a lot because I think he is
brilliant, popular, and his election will give hope to a lot of Immigrant
Americans.
John Edwards not only represents hope for more Americans than Obama, he has
shown the value of the change that he may accrue us. I have not had the
opportunity to witness a sampling of Obama's change except that he looks
different
from past presidents.
John Edwards' One America Foundation offers some hope.
John Edwards' rebuilding efforts in the Lower Ninth ward offer hope in what
America can be.
John Edwards fought with Huge corporate outfits on the behalf of regular
and
common Americans, and John Edwards and Obama are both lawyers.
Senator John Edwards of North carolina will get dirty for you and with you.
North Carolina used to be the home of Senator Jesse Helms.
John Edwards enjoys enormous peer support and the most endorsements from
Democratic governors of states than either Obama or Clinton.
John Edwards is more electable across the United states than any candidate
currently seeking the presidency, Republican or Democrat. Check the stats.
Libby Edwards is beautiful and is not beholden to corporate America. Mrs.
Obama is beautiful but may be beholden to corporate America. She sits on
the
board of Walmart.
John Edwards is handsome and is not given to religious distinctions nor
does
he believe religion ought to be mixed with governance. John Edwards
believes
in Religion as moral and ethical compass, not administrative compass.
Obama is good. John Edwards is more valuable to all America. Edwards-Obama
may be formidable. What do you think my dear? Lemme know, Lemme know!! You
know
Ousman is an Obama-head!!! Don't you??
Your friend and colleague Haruna.
In a message dated 12/13/2007 8:40:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna,
I both like and have a great deal of respect for John Edwards and his wife
Elizabeth for many reasons, some of which are mentioned below. However,
I
am
an Obama supporter myself. I also think Obama has a better chance of
being
elected because among other things, he is seen as the "change" candidate
by
a country that desperately needs change and Hillary ain't it. Infact, I
think Hillary has turned into a "snake oil sales lady" and she is
everything to
everyone in her zeal to be president and I do not trust her at all and the
rest of the country is beginning to see through her. I think that Edwards'
best
shot will be as a V.P for Obama. I think together they would make an
awesome
team.
Now, now, don't get too upset.
Jabou
-----Original Message-----
From: Haruna Darbo
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 6:49 pm
Subject: I wish to share John Edwards with you:
We just concluded another conference call with David Medina, the national
campaign director for John Edwards.
We are excited about the prospects for a John Edwards Presidency. We are
pleased to have the support of Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover in South
Carolina. Our gratitude to the United Steel workers Union, The Mine
Workers
Union,
The Carpenters Union, and Friends of the Earth Action Network. I am proud
of
John Edwards' performance in the just concluded democratic candidate
debate
sponsored by the Des Moines Register. John Edwards is humble, intelligent,
and
stands up for the Common American even on unpopular issues. He has vision
and
character, attributes that are extremely valuable to American foreign
policy
and stature in the world.
We would like volunteers to assist in South Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and
New
Hampshire. We also wish to ask for your financial support if your time
will
not allow volunteering. Please visit us at _http://www.johnedwards.com_
(http://www.johnedwards.com) and thank you for your support and company
toward
a
One-America.
Haruna.
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