I clearly remember the debate in question which ensued when certain individuals were subscribing under anonymous names to heap insults on others. And during the time the Freedom Newspaper was hacked into and some people subscribed under all sorts of pseudonyms to heap insults on just about everyone, I believe the list management made the decision to unsubscribed those "ghost" members and it was then that the new rule that subscribers must have sponsors and must reveal their identity was adopted. That email from the list Management is no doubt in the archives.
Has that rule changed or is it another case of list rules being applied selectively?
Jabou Joh
-----Original Message-----
From: Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo
> > Kabir,> > No, to your last paragraph. Free email address subscriptions
should have sponsors from among the subscribed and they are required to provide
the first and last names of the email address owners.> > The point I was making
is that your email address has an identified owner, Kabir Njaay owns
[log in to unmask] and this is not, which should be, the case with Essau Gambia.>
> Soffie
Thank you Soffie,
What I understand from the above then is that the "rules" have been violated by
Management by subscribing someone anonymously since he was subscribed after the
'rule' on anonymity came into effect.
When I asked Sidibeh to subscribe me I had forgotten that I had "Njaajaan njaay"
in the name field of my address because I had been using it on another Africa
Humanities mailing list and I remember him writing back to ask under which name
to subscribe me. I apologized and asked him to use "Amadu Kabir Njie" for
transparency sake.
On my first posting to the L after being subscribed I had forgotten to change
the name and remember quickly sending another in another mail to apologize for
the display name. "Njaajaan njaay"
It is my personal opinion that it is unfair for "Essau Gambia" to operate on the
List with a name every Gambian knows is bogus and if Management does not have
his real identity he should be unsubscribed; if Management on the other hand
knows his real identity, it should be made public. Thanks and regards.
Kabir.
> > -----Original Message-----> From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kabir Njaay> Sent: Friday,
June 01, 2007 5:19 PM> To: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Being real
or Psuedo> > Soffie,> > I believe my subscription and that of "Esseu Gambia" are
different. When I was subscribed it was by a List Manager who knows me
personally and aslo knew that I 'own' that particular email address I asked to
be subscribed with bacuse we had exchanged privately many times with that same
address.> The List Manager in question is Sidibeh.> > The reason I asked for
clarification on this particular issue was to ascertain if hence anyone can be
subscribed with any address anytime and from your response I glean that is the
case and sponsorship is nolonger required?> > Regards,> > Kabir.> > On 6/1/07,
Ceesay, Soffie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> >> > Kabir,> >> > You got it.
When you were subscribed, even though your email address > > did not contain
your name, you were identified as the owner of that > > email address and so it
should be with Essau Gambia's subscription and > > everyone elses.> >> > As for
accountability, I think the person flaunting the "rules" that > > guide
discussions on the L be held accountable, and not the person who > > sponsored
their subscription.> >> > Soffie> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: The
Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:> > [log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Kabir Njaay> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:02 PM> > To:
[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo> >> > Soffie,>
>> > Thanks for the clarifucation but I thought the whole purpose of the > >
exercise of not allowing 'free email addresses' to be subscribed > > without a
sponsor was to discourage pseudo/anonymous subscriptions; > > and where 'free
email addresses' are subscribed the sponsor would be > > held accountable
because he/she is supposed to know the identity of sponsored?> >> > If the above
is right and I aslo assume this "Essau Gambia" was > > subscribed not so long
ago, then management must have the name of the sponsor stored?> >> > Please
rectify me if I am wrong but the above is my recollection from > > that debate
about anonymity on the list and that those 'rules' were > > even shared here.>
>> > Regards,> >> > Kabir.> >> > On 6/1/07, Ceesay, Soffie <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:> > >> > > Essaugambia, Jambarr, Kocha Barma (long dead?) as individuals'
names > > > aren't ones I am familiar with but these were subscribed to the L.>
> > So, Luntang, as Malanding said, there is nothing full-proof that > > >
management can do about subscribers using names that may not be > > > "real".
However, there was a requirement that those with free-mail > > > addresses be
sponsored by a current member and that A first name, > > > could be Fafa, and A
last name, could be Jamaano, be provided for > > > the email address being
subscribed. But, the debate has not been > > > about pseudonyms and when it
does, who can really tell who is using > > > a real or> > false name?> > >> > >
Thanks,> > > Soffie> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: The Gambia
and related-issues mailing list [mailto:> > > [log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Malanding Jaiteh> > > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:26 PM> > > To:
[log in to unmask]> > > Subject: Re: Being real or Psuedo> > >> > >
Luntang,> > > Although this problem of Real or Alias/Psuedo (nome de guerre or >
> > whatever you call it) has been revisited many times since the birth > > > of
Gambia-l, I cannot recall when management legislated against one > > > or the
other. After many years on the list my take is that the > > > choice to go by
aliases (nome de> > > guerre) should be left to subscribers. After all how do
you know > > > Malanding Jaiteh and Luntang are REAL but Fatoumata and Essau > >
> Gambia aren't? The requirement that folks with free mail accounts > > > get
someone REAL to introduce/recommend then has been our little way > > > cutting
down abuse. Although we keep track of these we are aware > > > that its not at
all fool proof especially when dealing with adults > > > who find it necessary
to hide behind "nom de guerre" to be effective > > > and potent> >
cyber-wariors!> > >> > >> > > Malanding Jaiteh> > >> > >> > > Luntang wrote:> >
>> > > >List Managers , I am calling on you to adhere to Rules you have > > >
>laid down> > > on this Forum .Delist the pen Names Essaugambia and Lamarana
Jallow > > > and let them sign with their real Names .It is unfair and cowardice
> > > to hide behind false Name to attack decent people .They should be > > >
brave enough to sign with their REAL NAME(s) like those they are attacking .> >
> >> > > >Luntang> > > >> > > >> > > >----- Original Message -----> > > >From:
"Essau Gambia" <[log in to unmask]>> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>>
> > >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:55 PM> > > >Subject: The boy Sanneh Affair
getting out of hand!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Folks,> > > >>> > >
>>Abdou Karim Sanneh is starting a fight he cannot win. Will all his > > >
>>edcuation, Sanneh is proving to be another "ignorant." > > > >>Intellectuals
argue maturely. Sister Fatou was right when she > > > >>joined brother Malanding
and Sister Soffie for this chap to > > > >>exercise decency in his postings.
Essau would never curse Sanneh's > > > >>mother. If he wants let him continue to
rain insults at me. I'm > > > >>here to address issues maturely. I read other
postings with an > > > >>open mind. I'm a democrat to the core. Its up to Karim
or any > > > >>other reader to buy or reject my arguments. Karim should have a >
> > >>day off and reflect on his intellectual shortcomings. He needs to grow up
as a human being.> > > >>Getting all these degrees, don't make one to be smart
or > > > >>intelligent. Education without moral is counter> > > productive. Just
a thought....> > > >>> > > >>､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
> > >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >
>>Gambia-L Web interface> > > >>at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html>
> > >>> > > >>To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > >
>>http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > > >>To contact
the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > > >>[log in to unmask]>
> > >>､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> > > >>> > >
>>> > > >> > > >､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> > >
>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >
>Gambia-L Web interface> > > >at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html>
> > >> > > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > > >http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
> > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > >
>[log in to unmask]> > > >､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >
Gambia-L Web interface> > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html>
> >> > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > >
[log in to unmask]> > > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
> >> > > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> > > To
unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > > Gambia-L Web
interface> > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > >> > > To
Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > >
[log in to unmask]> > > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
> >> >> > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> > To
unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > Gambia-L Web
interface> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> >> > To
Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> >
[log in to unmask]> > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､>
>> > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> > To
unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > Gambia-L Web
interface> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> >> > To
Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> >
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>> > ､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､､> To
unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web
interface> at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in
the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l>
To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]>
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