Ebou,
You are right once again. The one thing that is killing us Gambia is that
we are bias with our opinions rather than looking at the whole picture.
Just because Chongan is a friend does not mean that we cannot address him
truthfully. If what he's been accused of is true, then he should answer  to
the allegations. We have to be true and just.
A crime is a crime. There is nothing like a lesser crime. The bottom line
is that they were committed on other Gambia like you and me.
How can we move forward without looking at the problems of  the Gambia? We
will benefit if we address the misuse of power especially those we thought
could use good reasoning and judgement. I am hoping that our discussions on
the L will lead us to a better Gambia. We are open to changes but we are
not going to lose our values from it. Even if we should fail, we should not
lose the lesson learnt.
I am also hoping that we will not let the little dispute we have in this
forum injure the great friendship and relationship we share in this network.
Finally, we have to make sure that our leaders are competent and hopefully
will restore the human dignity that is lost.09 PM 7/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

>My dear friends, let's be realistic. What else do you want to hear about
>Chongan's actions while in power? You have seen the narrations of Joe and
>Kebba Jobe and these are just a few. We are yet to hear from the man
>himself to defenf his actions. We cannot ignore what he did if we are
>going to look at what he went through.
>
>Chongan abused his powers. I witnessed a decent man who was humiliated at
>the independence stadiom in the presence of his family (wife and kids)
>with kicks and slaps for just attempting to pass through a gate from the
>pavilion down to the field, long after the game was over. It was under the
>commands of Chongan. The guy was no security threat. What was wrong with
>telling the man that he could not go that way and there was no president
>or high-ranking government official under their protection. The boys were
>just demonstrating their powers.
>
>The thing is Chongan was wrong and he should be told. Whether he is giving
>us information about what he went through or not. As joe puts it, we
>should not forget what one did just because he/she is reporting what is
>been done to him/her. The pie will be distributed accordingly.
>
>We cannot forget about the past if we want to look at the present for a
>better future. Just because we do not like those in charge now should not
>warrant us to give a blind face to those in charge then and theier
>actions. We better talk about both or BE QUIET.
>
>I am sorry if I offend anybody but this is the truth. Ousainou, you are on
>the right track.
>
>Ebou Secka
>
>A concerned citizen
> >From: Dampha Kebba
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPEN TO US AT RIP/may I?
> >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:12:40 -0400
> >
> >Ms. Joh, thanks for butting in. With all due respect, Ous Ngum did
> >NOT JUST
> >say what you mentioned. He did NOT just remind Chongan. Ous Ngum
> >accused
> >Chongan of being worse than Yankuba Touray, Edward Singhateh et al.
> >All week
> >this is what I have been trying to argue about. Tell me whether it
> >is fair
> >to accuse Chongan of these despicable crimes without proof.
> >KB
> >
> >
> >>From: Jabou Joh
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPEN TO US AT RIP/may I?
> >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:04:14 EDT
> >>
> >>People,
> >>
> >>I just wanted to put in my two bututs.What Ous Ngum said about
> >>Chongan's
> >>past
> >>is a good point. We must commend people for having the decency to
> >>come
> >>forward with their stories that will help us put the present
> >>criminals
> >>occupying the seat of government in our country, but never for one
> >>minute
> >>must we forget those who also abused power and metted out brutality
> >>to our
> >>people in the past.
> >>
> >>If we do, history will keep repeating itself in our country. The
> >>Jawara
> >>gov't
> >>gave us 30 years of corruption and incompetence, only to be
> >>succeded by a
> >>murderous gang. We cannot afford to forget this even if the present
> >>brutality
> >>has us thinking that it was at least a little bit better in the
> >>past.
> >>
> >>Finally, I just want to ask why it is that we Gambians seem to wear
> >>our
> >>egos
> >>on our shoulder. We cannot afford to have fragile egos that prevent
> >>us from
> >>addressing the issues intelligently and sticking to the facts
> >>without
> >>making
> >>it personal. Otherwise, we will never accomplish anything because
> >>we will
> >>spend all our time arguing and nursing fragile egos.
> >>
> >>Jabou Joh
> >>
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