Momodou,
I’m Sorry that I’m so late in responding to your take on these two subjects – it so happened that my Outlook Express swallowed up my mail – strange things always happening on my ancient computer but I’ve retrieved your posting from her bowels.
Here are some brief thoughts from me, so please lets keep the discussion rolling:
I see that you are on a first names relationship with all of them – don’t you know that familiarity breeds contempt especially of those Mauricios who are all too ready to malign your innocent self. Mauricio is a lost cause so lets just write him off - like some of his companions of the skull he’ll get as far as Rissne and from there , point in the direction of Rinkeby and say “ over there lives them niggers with the "fusk mentalitiet” but hesitate to take the next step to canvas for our honest votes or even venture sing along with us “ WE - shall overcome….” Maybe if he repents and Dom Camara prays him, his party might let him in and he’ll eventually join Dom Camara in heaven – if he stops cheating - before he kicks the bucket that is.
But what’s this about “You cannot avoid a collision with Nyamko”?
Speak for your self. You mean YOU maybe cannot avoid colliding with the sister. Look she’s a very practical and “sakkunnig” soul sister and I’m sure that she knows what she’s doing. The PR approach so far can be much improved and has to be if her goals are unchanged. Perhaps much more discussion should have preceded the pronouncement and in fact the discussion could have been guided towards the agenda that she announced - without it appearing to have come from she who decides/ she with the legislative will – arrived at without consultation and prolonged discussion with those most directly to be affected. Because it’s a very sensitive subject especially for those who have been subjected to the tradition and must probably be feeling that they’ve been missing something that others are talking about, namely the divine orgasm.
Of course she is no uncle and I would fume too – on her behalf. But you are right, she’s a brave one- as you observe “What blue-blooded Swedish politician would dare suggest that immigrant teenage girls could undergo inspection to ascertain they have not been subjected to some sort of butchery, without getting roasted in the media?” Some well –meaning saints ( as opposed to sadists) rush in where angles fear to tread…..
We’ll get to the real Kanilai matters later but for now lets deal with the Nyamko agenda – she says – at least in that Metro interview that the compulsory examination of those under suspicion was up to test the direction in which the wind could be blowing - like a sensible politician – and she’s got most of blue eyes with her on that one. It’s a question of human values in our Sweden, the society in we live, you see? I imagine that Swedish guy might not want to marry someone who had been “FGMed.” – which could be an embarrassment after all………..etc etc…..
You know, I think that when the Almighty placed man in the garden of paradise and provided a mate for Adam we have no record of her essential apparatus being required to be amputated – so we know for sure that it was no divine command , but as far as we know, was man-made ( if our exclusive sources are Abrahamic…..)
So the question is how should this age old tradition be reformed?
It’s Old Bill Shakespeare who wrote ( and you may think that I quote the universal bard like an uncle Thomas and I hope that I'm quoting him right:
“What custom wills in all things should we do it
The dust on antique time would lie unwept and
mountainous error would be too highly heaped
for truth to over peer .”
Now let me give you just a good example that’s very much to the point:
In yesterday’s DN Hanne Kjöller informs us of the concession that Muslim authorities in Sweden have made to COMPASSION, avoiding unnecessary cruelty to animals in their approach to halal slaughter : “ The Muslim halal slaughter which is technically done in more or less the same way, is forbidden as well. Whilst the Muslims in Sweden have accepted a modernised form, by which the animal to be slaughtered is anesthetised before it later on bleeds to death….” Etc
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=956&a=&sb949i0=2_956
Let’s start with Human Rights and Compassion – the Right of a woman to decide over her own bodily parts that she was born with – and I know that when you say woman you mean 100% woman not woman with some missing parts/body parts missing in action and we expect the same with man. Not a penis-less or castrated man and not woman as mere receptacle of insemination...... so runs an argument that you must confront or collide with......And you know there have been numberless stories of rusty cans and infected knives being used for these clitoral operations on those unwilling to be “cut” and why should a woman on earth or in paradise be deprived of the possibility of clitoral stimulation and enjoyment as part of the heavenly deal– even as you look forward to your 70 virgins in heaven…..?
Please answer me that!
Now as far as the cultural elements as part of the problem , we, along with Ms Sabuni could take a look at this and see how this applies to the overall praxis of INTEGRATION- mind you it’s the (Universal) Catholic Church speaking here :
“But Europe's experiment with multiculturalism, or the side-by-side existence of different cultures, has failed throughout the continent. Integration requires a minimum basis of shared values, that is, a culture of mutual tolerance and respect -- in other words, what constitutes the heart of European culture. This is why integration is not possible without excluding those who do not recognize this culture. Those who are unprepared to demonstrate tolerance cannot expect or even demand tolerance for themselves.” (Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Catholic Church's ecumenical representative)
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,437587,00.html
Looking forward to your kind response,
Cornelius
Saint Cornelius Mohammed Edward Hamelberg,
I should not wish to share the oxygen in the same room with Mauricio. Even
his own Latino constituency chased him from a campaign podium in Skärholmen,
a severe premonition of what was to come if he set foot in Alby. So he
cancelled the meeting there.
You cannot avoid a collision with Nyamko. Perhaps you have never caught her
in her acidic moods. When a university history researcher told her that she
was a severe Uncle Tom she fumed like an angry mount nyiragongo. What
blue-blooded Swedish politician would dare suggest that immigrant teenage
girls could undergo inspection to ascertain they have not been subjected to
some sort of butchery, without getting roasted in the media? Nyamko almost
made it without a scratch! But like I said, even she has a right to a
honey-moon!
Yes, the kanilai consitution is forever and ever. At least that is what the
king has re-ordained. He has condemned the rest of the world to hell and
will order even heavier chains for members of our growing community of
descent. But the threats of tyrants cannot be bloodier than what they
actually do; one reason leftists must not retreat into glib revolutionary
jargon as essential epilogue to the struggles of ordianry people for
democratic change.
Wasalaam, and thanks for the fresh air!
sidibeh
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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Libraries in the Sand Reveal Africa's Academic Past
> Grand Sheikh Momodou Sidibeh , Asalamalaikum wa rahmatullah!
>
> With refrence to our Banatba, It's understood that a group has to go
> through resolving conflicts as part of it's growth process. We are still
> going through the teething phase. It should soon be the honeymoon, but is
> it ever that with political discussion groups?
>
> Mauricio Rojas is certainly the beast with the fusk mentality and Nyamko
> is the Beauty.
> At least for now the has re-taken cover in the darkness where he feels
> most at home, busy licking his wounds and if he ever rears his ugly skull
> again, he'll get some more lickings and bruises from us the honourable
> immigrants who are not like him. It's time that we took a more active
> stance in national affairs.
>
> No frontal collision please, just discussion & constructive suggestions as
> far as sister Sabuni is concerned. In fact I have a several page document/
> programme for her.
>
> What you so appropriately term the "de-racialised "Swedish mind ( apart
> from the neutrals and those who were/ are not racial - excluding you and
> me - might think that to be truly integrated we have to be success
> stories like her, and probably have to move to Östermalmstorg on the way
> to heaven...
>
> I have heard more about the Kanilai holy juice than your holy and
> inviolable constitution..which unlike the word of the Almighty , can be
> amended or even abrogated, or is it forever and ever?
>
> Sir Momodou, are you also subscribed to this IDEA?
>
> http://www.idea.int/news/editorial_nov06.cfm
>
> http://www.idea.int/parties/pp_in_africa.cfm
>
> http://www.idea.int/americas/linking_demo.cfm
>
> I thought that you were mourning in Banjul........to you too , cheers and
> please shed no blood or tears...
>
> sin-cerely,
>
> zinner Cornelius
>
> PS: One of my favourite pieces of Muziki by "the triumph of the underdog"
> , a must read...
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=The+Black+Saint+and+the+sinner+Lady&meta=
>
>
>>
>> From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 2006/11/17 fr PM 03:10:07 CET
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Ämne: Re: Libraries in the Sand Reveal Africa's Academic Past
>>
>> Saint Hamelberg!
>>
>> getting stuck with issues of itegration in Swedish society would bring
>> about
>> a frontal collision with Nyamko*. Eventhough, I think she is more pest
>> than
>> cure, her historic appointment as Scandinavia's first ever black minister
>> is
>> of such significance that only a "deracialised" Swedish mind could afford
>> to
>> ignore. Even her, as reactionary as she has shown herself, needs
>> breathing
>> space to revel in her new-found power citadel.
>>
>> Inspite of the mud slung on her even after the elections, I still prefer
>> her to Mauricio Rojas, if for nothing else, because at least she believes
>> in
>> her own nonsenses; a property he apparently lacks!
>>
>> I smell a whiff of paranoia that you must disown. You have neither been
>> delisted nor have your words been misinterpreted. Traffic on Gambia-l the
>> past couple of weeks has been slow, perhaps because many active debaters
>> have been severely disillusioned by the results of the recent elections
>> in
>> Gambia - where the Opposition, behind which most of us placed our weight,
>> was severely thrashed. So we are undergoing an unofficial period of
>> mourning, from which idealists like myself are yet to pull ourselves.
>> Oops,
>> let us just say I am meaning myself and some stockholm-based radicals!
>>
>> Oh yes, there is much too much too look into. I've heard that Tariq Ali
>> was
>> in Malmö recently. The climate at Bantaba cannot possibly be less
>> soothing,
>> so you need to brew litres of coffee for upcoming locks of horns, if you
>> should wish to raise your voice.
>>
>> cheers,
>> sidibeh
>>
>> [* Nyamko Sabuni, has been appointed by prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt
>> as
>> minister for integration and gender equality. She is one of four
>> ministers
>> hailing from the Liberal party, a member of the right-wing coalition that
>> ousted the left from power on September 17th. Nyamko Sabuni, who arrived
>> in
>> Sweden as a twelve-year old refugee from the democratic republic of
>> Congo,
>> is perhaps Sweden's most powerful immigrant]. Except for her politics she
>> reminds me of my own comrade-sister Ndey Jobarteh!]
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cornelius Edward Hamelberg" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: Libraries in the Sand Reveal Africa's Academic Past
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for the links, Momodou,
>> >
>> > I read your last mail before reading this one..
>> >
>> > I haven't received any Listserv mail since my first and last posting
>> > and I
>> > observe that since I joined, discussions have never been standing
>> > still,
>> > so we must be in the doldrums just now or my words have been
>> > misinterpreted and I have been taken off the list?
>> > The "donkey" business was part of an exchange of fire between warring
>> > parties on Bantaba - and here too I am aware that it's a no-no....
>> >
>> > The whole idea of "Aliens" needs looking into....
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Date: 2006/11/13 må PM 12:02:38 CET
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Ämne: Re: Libraries in the Sand Reveal Africa's Academic Past
>> >>
>> >> Sister Jabou Joh, Cornelius Hammelberg,
>> >>
>> >> Please find below a couple of links to some sites that may shed more
>> >> light
>> >> on the issue of the Timbuktu Manuscripts. One of them is an online
>> >> exhibition where texts referring to subjects as diverse as medicine
>> >> and
>> >> politics are displayed. The general effort to preserve these texts
>> >> dates
>> >> back a couple of years now, with quite a number of scholars, both
>> >> African
>> >> and American, involved in different aspects of the enterprise.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/mali/mali-exhibit.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2003/september/timbuktu.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.fordfound.org/publications/ff_report/view_ff_report_detail.cfm?report_index=432
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks to you all,
>> >> sidibeh
>> >>
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