[In a message dated 9/2/2008 4:10:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:Haruna,] Suntou.
Yes my brother, How are you?
[That statement of Mr Mbowe is in no way meant to state his withdrawal from
the Ahamadiya cult.] Suntou.
I agree with you Suntou. I only took Mr. Mbowe's statement for what it said
- Mr. Mbowe reaffirms his belief that there is no other God but the one
God/Allah, and that Muhammad is his prophet, and the seal of prophets. That's all.
I did not take that statement to mean Dr. Mbowe's withdrawal or resignation
from the Ahmadiyya religion. At least not by that statement. That is why I
shared with you that this SEAL thingy is an EXISTENTIAL question for the
Ahmadiyya.
[i have mixed and debated with them in the Gambia for two years. this is a
trick that they play to change posture. one of their propaganda secratary in
the person of Musa kinteh a custom officer use this trick as well. he was my
classmate for two years with Saloum and some other fellows here.] Suntou.
My brother Suntou, if you believe in the omnipotence of Allah/God, you will
understand that none of his creations can trick him. They may succeed in
tricking (conning) their fellow human beings but not Allah/God if that were their
intent. You must be comforted in that or you risk maligning your own Eemaan.
I am a child of God/Allah as I'm sure you and Dr. Mbowe are.
[when they say Muhammad is the seal of prophets, watch out for the missing
link, prophethood seal to non-muslims but open to muslims.] Suntou.
NO my Suntou. They don't mean that. That is of more Islamic heirarchy than
the Ahmadiyya are wont to delve into. However I can understand why they give
you that impression. To continue their trespass on Islam unchecked. Consider
that it is the other way around: That Muhammad is the SEAL of MUSLIM prophets
and that prophethood is determined and SEALED by a nation and or religion.
[check out my blog and see a comment i posted from jakarta post Indonesia.
the Ahamadiya has been pressured to come clean about their hiden agendas. the
heads out there has withdraw the claim that Gulam is a prophet. a
parliamenatary degree has forced them to make that statement. also other muslim groups
acted in defense of islam for the green snakes in green grass to declear what
they meant by gulam being a prophet.
_http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/2008/08/fatwas-on-ahamadiya-movement.html_
(http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/2008/08/fatwas-on-ahamadiya-movement.html) ] Suntou.
NO I am not checking your blog for this. I told you to quit sending me to
your blog only to redirect me to third party blogs and circumstance. I am tired
of the run-around now. I will go to your blog when I want to and when I have
a need to. What is wrong with you? Settle down. I applaud the Jakarta council
for their proactivity. I encourage other muslim councils to consider their
relationships with the Ahmadiyya and bring closure to graft and grafignette.
Don't worry, Allah's time has come now for terminal discernments. The
Ahmadiyya could have saved time and resources if they just ceased their trespass on
Islam. No one ever told them they could not practice their religion with the
Gulam Ahmad as their prophet. Why they have to become a tumor on Islam
behooves the conscience. You must however understand that the 180 degress will not
come from adherents like Dr. Mbowe, Secretary Musa Kinteh, or the multitudes
of Gambians who have and continue to benefit from the generousity of the
Ahmadiyya. It will come from Islamic councils, nations, and organised Ummah. That
is why I shared the conversation must be elevated to the council level.
Yahya understands this. And by the way, I challenge both you and Yahya and
Maffeh, and Ansumana and Buba Jawo to make a pledge and or donation to our Fatou
Jaw Manneh Fund at _http://thegdp.wordpress.com/Fatou-Jaw-Manneh-Cove/_
(http://thegdp.wordpress.com/Fatou-Jaw-Manneh-Cove/) Now leave me alone about this
Ahmadiyya stuff until I have further instruction/guidance from Allah/God. Bye!!
Haruna Darbo. Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Khairawan.
--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ramadan:Just to let you know (Muhammad). Suntou, Muslims, &
Ahmadiyya!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 8:09 PM
My friend Suntou and Muslim and Ahmadiyya friends,
I have reached firmer ground in North Carolina and as if by Allah's
handiwork, I proceeded to look in my inbox. There I am informed that our
friend
Dr.
Mbowe wishes to discontinue his challenge of you and Islam in the matter of
Khatama Al Anbiyaa. Please allow me therefore to reconsider manner in which
I
share notes on the said same subject. Further, Dr. Mbowe has re-affirmed his
belief in Allah, Islam, and Muhammad as the SEAL of Muslim prophets. I
understand that the conversation regarding the relationship between the
Jamaa'At
Ahmadiyya and Jamaa'At Muslimeen must be elevated to the council level to
indemnify the person of Dr. Mbowe.
I beg leave to retire from the conversation at this time until I receive
further instruction from Allah.
Haruna Darbo.
In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:34:19 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Well Suntou,
Let me explain something to you. You see you must not view Mr. Mbowe's
recalcitrance with a personal lens. Mr. Mbowe represents his religion as
much as
he is a Gambian fellow citizen. View it in a more more Existential context
as
to the Jamaa'At Ahmadiyya and their ulamaa. In other words if the
Ahmadiyya
were to agree with you that Muhammad is the SEAL/Finale of Muslim
Prophethood,
The Ahmadiyya cease to exist as an Islamic Sect or Religion. Therefore, no
matter how many species of evidence you produce from the Qur'An, Mr.
Mbowe
or
other Ahmadiyya is not at liberty to agree with you. It is the entire
religion
that must acknowledge that and either declare that they are a sect of
Islam
and abandon the prophecy and books of Ghulam Ahmad for the Qur'An and
Hadith
or Declare that they are not an Islamic Religion and Cease trespasses on
Islam and Islam's books.
I had sequestered myself last night and I went into prayer. I solicited
guidance from Allah as to the most appropriate way to share such terminal
revelation as to one religion or other. I want to share with you that when
I
woke up
this morning, my mind is very clear as to manner of sharing of the
revelation for the Khatama Nubuwaa. However, you must forgive me for I am
not steady
at the moment. I am travelling and therefore using my laptop. As soon as I
reach firmer ground, I shall share it with our fellow muslims and Jamaa'At
Ahmadiyya.
In a message dated 9/1/2008 11:32:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
indeed Haruna, the Ahamadiya movement's reison de'ta is the believe
of the
continuity of prophet-hood among Muslims but close to non-Muslims. i know
for
certain an old fellow like mbowe who spent all his life believing that
prophet-hood continuous will stop now because of the evidences produce
right
in
front of him. he will not. but if truly he believe in the continuation of
prophet-hood, i wonder why he himself did not claim to be one for us
Gambian
Muslims, that will make more sense to me than an Indian fellow with an
inept
understanding of Arabic who was hell-bent on twisting verses to the best of
ability.
Haruna, what is your message to humanity?
--- On Mon, 1/9/08, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ramadan:Just to let you know (Muhammad). Suntou and Muslims
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 10:58 PM
Brother Suntou,
Emails forwarded to me from Posten reveal that you and fellow Muslims are
undergoing some chagrin about some challenges from our Ahmadiyya brother
Mr.
Mbowe and friend Mr. Janneh. I wish to share with you that Allah/God has
revealed to me (I am not a prophet to Muslims because I also believe in
Muhammad as
the closure of Muslim prophets), where the source of the impasse between
you
brothers might be.
In honour of Ramadan Mubarak, I wanted to share with you and Mr. Mbowe
what
I have been made to understand by Allah/God, but I wish to exercise
enormous
caution until I can appreciate the value or demerits in my sharing such
revelation. I will give you a hint that both you and Mr. Mbowe are
ignoring
the
glaring fact so spectacularly and you individual interests in your
respective
religions is blinding you to the obvious. I will warn you that no matter
how
many Ayahs of the glorious Qur'An you may share with brother Mbowe or
other,
you shall not be able to convince him or the Jamaa'At Ahmadiyya that
indeed
Muhammad is the final prophet because it is an existential matter for the
Ahmadiyya and they have too enormous a capital already invested in the
religion
to
yield at this Eleventh hour. However, I must warn you also that the
revelation challenges earlier-held beliefs that the Qur'An speaks to all
peoples and
nations.
From the far side, you can begin to see why the revelation could be both
existential as to the Jamaa'At Ahmadiyya while constraining the
territorial
and
human claims of Islam. In effect it makes Da'Awa more difficult.
Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Abdallah!
In a message dated 9/1/2008 4:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Back at you brother Musa. I vill be vaiting for your pledge and or
donation
to our Fatou Jaw Manneh Fund. Ramadan or no Ramadan. Be blessed! Thanx for
your DIY Religion tips. Not you Suntou. You like Do It Someone else
Religion.
Haruna.
In a message dated 9/1/2008 9:47:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
On this Special Day,In this Special Month,the Month of the Holy Quran
,The
Month of Mercy,Forgiveness,Charity and Patience,I hereby wish to send
the
best of Ramadan Greetings to the following:1.Brother Baboucarr, Dr
Alhaji
S.Jeng,Brother Momodou of Bantaba fame,Brother Haruna with his DIY
tips,Brother Suntou,Brother Yero and the indefatigable sister Gunjur.
and
a
rising star in the community sister Fatou Of JONGAMA and of course,
members
of the Moderating Team of this forum.
The very best of salam,
Musa.
2008/8/31 Dr. Alhaji S. Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
> May Allah (SWT) accept our prayers and forgive us our sins. A blessed
> Ramadhan to all.
>
> Dr. Alhaji S. Jeng
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] På vegne av Musa Amadu Pembo
> Sendt: 31. august 2008 15:09
> Til: [log in to unmask]
> Emne: Ramadan:Just to let you know.
>
> Hello Folks,
> This is to let you know when Ramadan is starting in the following
> Countries:-
>
> 1.Libya starts Today Sunday,31st August,2008.
>
> 2.Nigeria:-The Sultan of Sokoto declares Sunday the First Day of
Ramadan.
>
> 3.Muslims in Tunisia,Algeria,Morocco,Mauritius will sight Ramadan
Moon
> on
> Sunday,31st August,2008.
>
> 4.Ramadan falls on Monday,Ist September,In North America based on
> calculations.
>
> 5.Sunnis in Iraq and Lebanon Starts Ramadan on Monday,1st September.
>
> 6.Ramadan starts Monday,1st September in the following Countries:-
> 1.Saudi Arabia
> 2.Qater
> 3.Bahrain
> 4.Kuwait
> 5.UAE
> 6.Yemen
> 7.Syria
> 8.Palestine
> 9.Turkey
> 10.Mauritania
> 11.Egypt
> 12.Sudan.
> 13.France
> 14.Belgium
> 15.Netherlands
> 16.Italy
> 17.Austria
> 18.Bosnia
> 19.Croatia
> 20.Serbia
> 21.Slovenia
> 22.Kosovo
> 23.Czech Republic
> 24.Azerbaijan
> 25.Uzbekistan
> 26.Ukraine
> 27.Romania
> 28.Russia.
> 29.Macedonia
> 30.Montenegro
> 31.Bulgaria
> 32.Germany
> 34.Australia
> 35.Philippines
> 36.Glasgow,Scotland,UK
>
> 7.Muslims in 1.India
> 2.Pakistan
> 3.Bangladesh
> 4.Kenya
> Will sight Ramadan Moon On Monday,1st September.
>
> ***8.Gambia has not yet confirm the start of Ramadan according to
sources
> on
> the
> ground.
>
> The list is by no means exhaustive.
> Wishing you all Ramadan Mubarak.
> Musa.
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