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Ginny,
   
  You are totally right. Fundamentally, intolerance is the beginning of the shackling of democrarcy and the gagging of free speech. Undoubtledy, these are major facets of human liberty and progress that The Gambia is yearning for under the current APRC's utter disregard of tolerating divergent, and often more mature, views. 
   
  Unfortunately, throughout history, there seems to have always been the tendency of trying to make free speech free only when it is in line with one's views. However, in this day and age, the best way to combat the distortion of the truth is through more enlightened truth. In short, that is, more mature ideas and arguemnets, not condemnation; as condemnation is the only ammunition available for those who have run out of ideas, of knowledge of how to handle/address situations, expecially those which are seen to be different from what one stands for.... 
   
  Those seeking the Altar of Freedom, must not only contiunue to search  for freedom, but tolerate it from others as well; as the solution to freedom can only be more freedom and nothing else.
   
  Ginny, your objectivity is great.
   
  Regards.
   
  Abdoulie Jawo
  UNDP Malawi
  
Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  Hello, all, while I understand some people's concerns about Saihou
Mballow forwarding emails from SS Daffeh, if we start saying who can
or can't forward, or what one can or can't post / forward, where does
it stop? People forward various things here all the time, from the
Foroya to the New Statesman, among other things, and no one in the
past has said anything about that. Is the issue that there isn't a
means of commenting and giving feedback to the one writing /
forwarding the articles, or is it just that people disagree and so
they feel the need to say something?

If you're going to start banning forwards, you should ban
everyone or ban no one. I don't think it's fair to just pick on one
person, simply because you disagree with what they are saying.

If I read an issue of Forya or the New Statesman and I feel that
what they are saying is wrong, or their logic or use of statistics are
faulty, do I have a means to comment directly to them and thus give
feedback? If I don't, and this is just a mere forward, what is the
difference between these forwards and what Saihou is forwarding?

I just don't see the "Daffeh" issue is that big of a deal. 
People forward stuff here all the time, and if I don't like it, most
of the itme, I just delete it and move on. And I think the
condemnation of Saihou is a bit selective considering that there have
been toher forwards that other people have sent in, that don't have a
means whereby people can comment directly to the person, or, of
course, the person isn't directly subscribed to the Gambia-l.

If the only difference between what Saihou is doing and what
others have done is that the majority of the list members just don't
agree with what he, or the author of the forward, is saying, than what
does that say about people's supposed support of free speech and
democracy? If one truly believes in free speech and democracy, then
one must not try to silence someone that htey don't agree with.

Ginny



On 3/8/06, abdoukarim sanneh wrote:
> Mr Momodou.S Sidibeh
> Thanks for your response. I think the present global historical reality
> does not require whether politically you are allied to left or rights. The
> British Labour party is a show case example after abolition of clause 4. The
> second example is the corporate take over of china which is still under one
> party communist rule. The third example is closer to home Africa National
> Congress of South Africa. Within the rank and file of ANC, composed of South
> Africa Communist party, advocates of Scientific Socialism, Marxist humanist,
> Nationalist, capitalist, etc. What was ANC's pathway to address dehumanise
> economic realities of South African masse after liberation from the
> aparthied regime? ANC, when into to adopted nothing order than neoliberal
> economic policies dictate by the world bank and IMF.
> Mr Sidebeh you are wrong to think UDP is right wing political
> organisation. Please I refer you to make a research into the party's
> manifesto. UDP value nothing order social democracy with emphasis on rule of
> law, constitution democracy and social justice. It is basic fundamental of
> the party in the 1996 and 2001 election.
> Mr Sidibeh, just like the Libdem in United Kingdom within their ranks
> consist right and left wing politicians but all what the groups share in
> common is the liberal values. On the question of New Statesman,even with the
> fact that New paper is seem in many quarter as a left wing press but the
> evolution in global politics enable the media to change lot of its utopian
> views. It is like globalisation and its discontent in many perspective but
> that does not mean that dynamic toward globalisation cannot address global
> inequality and environmental issues.
> Once again have a good working week and I hope the progressive debate from
> you end will continue.
>
> Momodou S Sidibeh wrote:
> Brother Abdoukarim Sanneh Balamang!
>
> I have the feeling you are wooing me into the UDP? That would be an
> impossible sell.
> I agree with you that for any coalition to remain stable (and infact
> democratic) it ought to be led by " ...a leading opposition...", (your
> words). But perhaps that is all you and I agree upon?
> I must say that I am a little surprised to learn that you are a UDP militant
> as you are the most prolific in feeding us a constant diet of leftist
> analysis from the New Statesman. So what are you doing there? Can you or
> your fellow UDPians tell me why you are supporting the UDP? Perhaps your
> answers may give this debate the radical twist it so greatly needs.
>
> Good morning,
> sidibeh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "abdoukarim sanneh"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:33 PM
> Subject: Re: List Manager(s): SS. Daffeh/Peace Justice
>
>
> > Mr Sidibeh thanks for your suggestion and I hope Mr Daffeh will soon
> > subscribe to the debate individually as it will enrich the democractic
> > debate in the forum. For the interest of the readership I am not part of
> > NADD because the political party I subscribe to as a member is not part of
> > the coalition.We are a masse base political party and are determine to
> > pursue for the struggle as usual.Any coalition should be lead by a leading
> > opposition and that is the stand of UDP Militants.
> >
> >
>
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