In a message dated 3/1/04 10:57:39 AM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

"They can demand and exercise the written laws of the man's responsibilities
like child support and alimony.  yes indeed . Even if he becomes a dead beat
dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the sister still has some leverage to
use and witnesses too"

Habib,

Regardign the above, the problem is the enforcement if any rulings made. Who
will enforce that and based on what? Are you saying that if the Cadi makes a
ruling regardign payment of child support and alimony, then the state will
enforce it?

Jabou Joh


sister Jabou
>
>
> I think this Cadi was corrupt or a freind of the husband, otherwise the
> system works. The only other reason why there was a delay was to ensure that the
> woman was NOT pregnant ( to protect the kid) and that waiting period  is
> usually 3 months.
>
> The woman had another choice - go to a local Imam in here area or even
> outside her area and based on the man's no show up if he summons him , then the
> woman gets a divorse as requested.
>
> You see as i told sister Ndey, the problem lies in the lack of knowledge of
> their rights ( by our sisters) They can demand and exercise the written laws
> of the man's responsibilities like child support and alimony.  yes indeed .
> Even if he becomes a dead beat dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the
> sister still has some leverage to use and witnesses too
>
> habib
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jabou Joh
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie
> >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:26:36 EST
> >
> >Soffie,
> >
> >This is  a shame and I still maintain that since I do not see how the
> rulings
> >of the Cadi court can really help anyone since the justice system will not
> go
> >after people to make sure they are enforced, working to have laws
> >incorporated into the constitution is the way to go on this. I think the
> mere fact that a
> >woman can be simply turned out of the house upon divorce with no laws in
> >place to ensure her rights regardign property is shocking to say the least.
>
> >
> >Jabou Joh
> >
> >In a message dated 3/1/04 10:05:28 AM Central Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> > > How about after twenty years of marriage, 5 kids, and having been abused
>
> > > for
> > > most of that marriage, the Cadi(?) court rejecting a woman's petition
> for a
> > > divorce.  It took 9 months for this woman who had no means of earning a
> > > living being made to journey to the courts, for 9 damn months, before
> she
> > > was granted a divorce.  Do any of you know why proceedings in the Cadi
> > > courts are closed to the public?  The shenanigans and the corruption in
> that
> > > court need to be exposed.
> > >
> > > Soffie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:13 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/29/04 5:46:03 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well as Jabou said, it is fine if the women accept. We can still ask:
> Is
> > > > it a matter of accepting it or not having the choice to say no.
> > >
> > > Ndey,
> > >
> > > My guess is that given the choice, most women would say no. This is why
> I
> > > also pointed out that Islam does permit such a pre-nuptual agreement
> that
> > > the
> > > husband will not marry another wife, but this is not ever mentioned in
> > > Gambia,
> > > and won't be unless it becomes the law of the land like it is in
> Senegal.
> > > There are also other isues Ndey. For example, I am quite disturbed by
> the
> > > fact that in Gambia for example, a woman can be divorced by her husband
> and
> > > be
> > > literally turned out into the street without having any laws to protect
> her
> > > as
> > > far as her rights to shares of any property. If I am wrong, someone
> please
> > > correct me. I think it si also the same as far as child support and
> alimony.
> > > Although most men in our society  will take care of their kids (and i do
> not
> > > know
> > > what the statistics are on this or even if anyone has looked at this),
> there
> > > are still some people who do not.
> > >
> > > Jabou
>

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