Brother Habib,
Thanks for your answer.Please rest-assured that I am not in any way trying to create division or pull down any group for that matter.In fact,as muslims we are not allowed to criticise or say anything derogatory about any of the four Imams.Any muslims engaged in this act has not understood what he may have read.
my point of asking you the question was to stress the importance of the minor differences of interpretation in the four sunni school,which is universally accepted.You see my brother,each and every one of us must follow one of these schools and adhere to the teachings and interpretation of your imam.That is not to say that your Imam is right and mine is wrong,but rather to help us be good muslims,since they (Imams)have done the donkey work for us by simlifying things.
The postings brother Salieu sent in was excellent but was making the case of only giving food rather than money.This is correct as far as the Hanbali, maliki Shafi and to a limited extend Hanifi,because Hanbali imam requires their followers to give food and not money period.Whereas,your interpretation of money only in this case of $10.00 per head though accurate but not strictly correct.This was the point of my question.You will be 100% correct if you are follower of Hanifi Madhab,because the imam,Imam Abu Hanifa of blessed Memory makes provision for food or cash,whichever is the most convenient for the follower.
My dear brother,whenever opportunity like this arise,we must do our best to explain in very simple terms the reason or reasons for a particular cause of action,it may be uncomfortable to some,but we must not be put off by the uncomfortable explaination,so that others may know the truth and take it far and wide.This calls for tolerance,patience and understanding in explaining a particular point of view.
My dear brother Habib,I therefore hope you are not mad with me.I like you as a person,because you come across as the voice of moderation,common-sense and reason.This is what we need just now in islam as long as we do not compromise on essential principles.
This is my last take on the topic.Thanks for your time and trouble.
Musa.
Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Brother Musa ( Moses)
I was in the Zakat committe of our Muslim community center.
We too the common denominator of all the major madhab sand we in the gambia follow Imam Malik (fyi) the cost of the fitr was calculated as $10.00 this year after almost ten years of being $7.00 .
note that this ten dollars includes inflation in the rela world we are in today not the arcaic way of weights and measures used over thoudsand tears ago. We are in the year 2004 remember that . Let us not make our religion be difficult , It is simple and straight foward.
For the lay person trying to get a scale and all those complicated measures is meaningless and not practical . having said that the answer to your question is that it depends where you are WE IN THE USA and in the WASH Dc area the calculations were set at ten dollars as being enough to feed a hungry person for one day. So you do yours in tyour UK or Russia or Asia whwere ever you may be and you can pay it in THAT local currency not in US dollars . We have the dollars here and that is what we use. you can use pounds or Euros or yens depending on where you live
AND it is Ten dollars per person in your household if you are the head of that house that includes even infants
eg
if you have a wife an three kids you pay$50.00 if you were in washington - simple as ABC
Please do not create divisions in Islam . I am this madhab and you are that one or wahabi or shia or sunni , we are simply MUSLIMS period . That what the enemies of Islam use to kill us and defeat us as they are doing in Iraq. When are we going to wake up and smell the coffe ? We are the cause of our own problems and creating unnecessay headaches for our children
Have a good day
Habib
>From: Musa Amadu Pembo <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Charity at the end of Ramadan-Zakaat al -Fitr.
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:12:56 +0000
>
>Brother Habib,
>Thanks for your last email to the list.I beg to differ that it is a waste of time,depending on the Imam you follow within Sunni Islam (Hanbali,Malik,Shafi and Hanifi)that should dictate the action you follow.or take.let me illustrate this by asking you a question.Supposing,you are asked a question like this-" I am a new muslim having fasted for 30days and I follow the madhab of Imam Ahmed Hanbal,now i want to pay my zakaatut fitr.What would you answer be to this muslim brother ?
>
>I pause for an answer.
>
>Hope to hear from you soon.
>
>musa.
>
>Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>Folks
>
>Getting into details of what and how to give zakat is really insignificant and a waste of time
>
>no matter what this shayekh says or that alim says . We should concentrate on the Quran
>
>The important thing is we give zakat el fitr and this year it has been calculated in the USA in our area as $10.00 per person in your household ,
>
>so barley and exaxt weights and all the other complications and methods do not mean a thing
>
>just $10.00 per person and that includes even a baby in your house hold
>
>Why complicate things when it is so simple?? we should not make it difficult. Alim or no alim. there are tons of unauthentic hadiths but only one authentic Quran where it is based .ABC
>
>The only significant part of the zakat fitr is that it must be given out to the needy before you pray on Eid day and or during any day in the holy month of Ramadan
>
>habib
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Charity at the end of Ramadan-Zakaat al -Fitr.
> >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:38:21 +0000
> >
> >QUESTION: Is it permission to discharge Zakaatul-Fitr in money? –
> >with
> >mention of evidences.
> >
> >
> >ANSWER: Zakaatul Fitr is not permissible except (to be paid) from
> >FOOD. And
> >it is not allowed to discharge its value in money. This is because
> >the
> >Prophet (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) made it obligatory ( to be
> >discharged) from a saa’ of dates or a saa’ of barley.
> >Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudree (Radiallahu anhu) said “We used to discharge
> >it
> >( Zakaatul Fitr) in the time of the Prophet (sal Allaahu
> >‘alayhe wa sallam)
> >as a saa’ of FOOD…..). (Bukhaaree 2:582) Therefore, it is not lawful
> >for any
> >to discharge Zakaatul-Fitr from money (dirham) or clothing or
> >household
> >furnishings. Instead, that which is obligatory is to discharge it in
> >what
> >Allaah has made obligatory on the tongue of the Prophet ( sal
> >Allaahu
> >‘alayhe wa sallam). There is no consideration (weight) for the
> >istihsaan
> >[viewing of something to be good, without basis from the legal
> >sources of
> >Qur’aan and sunnah] of those of the people who viewed the giving of
> >money as
> >a good thing. The Law ( Sharee’ah) does not follow ( i.e. it is not
> >secondary to) the opinion of people. No, it ( the Law) is from the
> >One who
> >is wise, knowing – Allaah (Subhaanahu wa-taa’la) – The Mighty, The
> >Glorious,
> >The Most Knowing, The Most Wise. So, if that which has been made
> >obligatory
> >by the tongue of Muhammad ( sal Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) is a saa’
> >of food
> >then it is not permissible to bypass ( skip over ) that, no matter
> >what our
> >intellects make us to view as being good. Instead, it is a must that
> >the
> >human being question and suspect his intellect and views if it
> >conflicts
> >with, or contradicts, the Law of Allaah.
> >
> >
> >Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen
> >
> >
> >I had to retype the whole fatwa so all error/typos are entirely mine
> >for
> >that I ask for forgivess.
> >Sal Barry
> >
> >Other Questions on Zakaatul-Fitr
> >
> >1. The ruling for denying Zakaatul-Fitr
> >2. The ruling regarding forgetting to discharge the Zakaatul
> >Fitr
> >3. Dispatched Zakaatul-Fitr to my country
> >4. Is it permissible to discharge the obligation of
> >Zakaatul-Fitr on the
> >first day of Ramadhaan? And is it permissible to distribute it in
> >money.
> >5. What is the ruling in the case of someone compelled
> >discharge
> >Zakaatul-Fitr by money? And does it fulfill for him his obligation?
> >6. Is it permissible to discharge Zakaatul-Fitr from meat? Some
> >of the
> >desert dwellers don’t have food to distribute for Zakiaatul-Fitr, so
> >is it
> >permissible for them to slaughter some of their animals and
> >distribute it to
> >the poor.
> >
> >
> >Fatwa-online contains fatwa information and resources provided by
> >kibaar
> >scholars of the muslim world. Kibaar scholars from my limited
> >understanding
> >are the cream of the crop among the scholars. Scholars refer/defer
> >to the
> >kibaar scholar in in Arabic as Kibaar Ulema.
> >
> >
> >Ask Those Who Know
> >Shaykh Muhammad Naasir ud-Deen al-Albaanee rahimahullaah
> >Jami'at Ihyaa Minhaaj al-Sunnah
> >________________________________________
> >Question: Some who are seeking knowledge are very hasty in giving
> >rulings in
> >matters of halaal and haraam, and this is a common noticeable
> >defect. What
> >is your advice to such people?
> >Reply: "We have spoken on this issue long before, and we said that
> >Allaah
> >the Wise has divided the Muslim community into two types of people:
> >the Ahl
> >adh-Dhikr, and those that depend on the Ahl adh-Dhikr. As Allaah
> >says to the
> >ordinary people: "Then ask those who possess the Message (Ahl
> >adh-Dhikr) if
> >you do not know." (Soorah 21:7 and 16:43)
> >The Ahl adh-Dhikr are, as we all know, are the Ahl al-Qur’aan and
> >the Ahl
> >al-Hadeeth, those who know the authentic from the unauthentic, the
> >general
> >from the specific, the abrogating from the abrogated, and other such
> >principles of Fiqh and Hadeeth.
> >Hence, it is not allowed for a Muslim to begin giving fatwaas on the
> >basis
> >of some hadeeth, simply because he came across it in some book,
> >although he
> >does not know if it is saheeh according to the criteria of the
> >scholars of
> >hadeeth. On the other hand, he knows that he is not sufficiently
> >well-versed
> >in knowledge and competence in the Arabic language to explain the
> >meanings
> >and ideas behind the Kitaab and Sunnah. Therefore, anyone who has
> >not
> >decided to undertake acquiring knowledge and persevere in it for
> >many years,
> >until the people of knowledge testify that he can guide the people
> >and
> >direct them towads good, it is not permissible for him to thank that
> >he is
> >an alim (scholar) simply because he has read some ahadeeth and
> >memorized
> >some aayaat. We often hear of some of them who cannot even read the
> >Qur’aan
> >properly, nor the ahaadeeth of the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa
> >sallam.
> >This is why I advise the seekers of knowledge to study two
> >fundamentals: a)
> >the principles of fiqh and b) the principles of hadeeth.
> >I have mentioned before that it is not easy for one to deduce the
> >intended
> >aim of the Lawgiver from any text unless he consults as far as
> >possible, all
> >the texts of the Qur’an and Sunnah. I will give a clear example:
> >Allaah
> >says: "Forbidden for you are dead meat, blood…" (5:4). If a beginner
> >who is
> >studying the Qur’aan and has no knowledge of hadeeth is asked
> >regarding dead
> >fish, he will immediately bring this aayah as proof to clearly
> >forbid it
> >since it prohibits dead meat. But were he to look into the
> >ahaadeeth, he
> >would know that the Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, excepted
> >two
> >types of animals, fish and locusts, from this prohibition, so he
> >could rule
> >accordingly.
> >Briefly, the student must learn these two fundamental branches of
> >learning
> >to help to understand the Qur’aan and Sunnah as correctly as
> >possible."
> >________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: Charity at the end of Ramadan-Zakaat al -Fitr.
> >>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:42:08 -0500
> >>
> >>Jazzakallah! May Allah shower you all with the richest of
> >>blessings. It
> >>is indeed reassuring to know that there are others in my
> >>predicament when
> >>it comes to issues like this discussion thread and to think that
> >>we've been
> >>doing it wrongly all this time .... Yes, Allah knows best and may
> >>Allah
> >>continue to guide our actions and intentions. Saoud's argument
> >>does ease
> >>my mind.
> >>
> >>Soffie Ceesay
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: turay, sourie [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:55 AM
> >>To: 'jsk'
> >>Cc: samateh saikou; Amadu sallah; Alim sesay; murtada Sesay;
> >>Ansumana
> >>sillah; Karamba touray; Mam Touray; Jane Warner;
> >>[log in to unmask]; Sai Njie; [log in to unmask]; Ginny
> >>Quick; abdul
> >>razim rahim; toegondoe sagbah; Musa Gassama; Habib Ghanim; Bashirou
> >>Jahumpa; Ben Jalloh; mohammed jalloh; baba jallow; Fatou Jallow;
> >>Dr. Alhaji
> >>S. Jeng; Malik Jeng; saloum Jeng; Jabou Joh; malamin johnson;
> >>SHEIKH
> >>KAMARAH; Abu-Hassan Koroma; fatima -D; Ibrahim Abdullah;
> >>[log in to unmask]; N Allotey; Ousman Bah; Sadu Bah; Abdul Karim
> >>Bangura;
> >>Salieu Barry; Ceesay, Soffie; [log in to unmask];
> >>Muhammed
> >>Drammah; Aiah Fanday; Alhaji Fye; Momodou Buharry Gassama;
> >>[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: RE: Charity at the end of Ramadan-Zakaat al -Fitr.
> >>
> >>
> >>Ngo Sami,
> >>
> >>On occasion like this when our thinking coincides with people like
> >>you, it
> >>bodes well for us. As soon as I read the posting, the first thing
> >>that came
> >>to my mind was, have we been doing it wrong all this time we have
> >>been over
> >>here and it took an a reassuring exchange with Copenhagen to settle
> >>my
> >>mind.
> >>
> >>Of course, we all grew up seeing our fathers measuring rice for
> >>zakat-ul-fitr in what looked at the time a special mug for the
> >>purpose.
> >>That be almost impossible to do over here and the best possible way
> >>is by
> >>giving money as we all do. As Murtada suggests, we give the money
> >>not to
> >>individuals but to the mosque who are free to translate that into
> >>whatever
> >>will satisfy the requirements of the Sunnah!!
> >>
> >>You hit it right when you refer to Abu Saoud's distinction between
> >>the
> >>letter and spirit of the haddith!!
> >>
> >>I will join you in wishing Brother Musa, Allah's (SWT) richest
> >>rewards for
> >>the hard work that he continues to do for us and may He also reward
> >>all of
> >>us both here and back home with the blessings of Ramadan.
> >>
> >>Ramadan Mubarak.
> >>
> >>Sourie
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: jsk [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>Sent: 12 November 2004 10:19
> >>To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> >>Cc: samateh saikou; Amadu sallah; Alim sesay; murtada Sesay;
> >>Ansumana
> >>sillah; turay, sourie; Karamba touray; Mam Touray; Jane Warner;
> >>[log in to unmask]; Sai Njie; [log in to unmask]; Ginny
> >>Quick; abdul
> >>razim rahim; toegondoe sagbah; Musa Gassama; Habib Ghanim; Bashirou
> >>Jahumpa; Ben Jalloh; mohammed jalloh; baba jallow; Fatou Jallow;
> >>Dr. Alhaji
> >>S. Jeng; Malik Jeng; saloum Jeng; Jabou Joh; malamin johnson;
> >>SHEIKH
> >>KAMARAH; Abu-Hassan Koroma; fatima -D; Ibrahim Abdullah;
> >>[log in to unmask]; N Allotey; Ousman Bah; Sadu Bah; Abdul Karim
> >>Bangura;
> >>Salieu Barry; soffie ceesay; [log in to unmask];
> >>Muhammed
> >>Drammah; Aiah Fanday; Alhaji Fye; Momodou Buharry Gassama
> >>Subject: Re: Charity at the end of Ramadan-Zakaat al -Fitr.
> >>
> >>
> >>As-salamu Alaykum Brother Musa:
> >>
> >>Ramadan Mubarak. May Allah (SWT) grant you and your family all the
> >>blessings of Ramadan. Thanks for all the kutbahs you have been
> >>sending and
> >>may Allah (SWT) bless you for transmitting all that valuable
> >>information
> >>and may He give you the strength and resources to continue
> >>informing us.
> >>
> >>The fact that the question of fulfilling the Zakat al--Fitr
> >>obligation via
> >>cash is addressed by these great Sheiks suggests that there is a
> >>tendency
> >>to make the substitution of cash for food. Certainly in most
> >>Masjids in the
> >>Philadelphia area, this substitution is common and we have, for
> >>years,
> >>adopted the practice of giving cash. May Allah (SWT) have mercy on
> >>us if we
> >>erred and forgive our Imams because, I am sure, they did not
> >>deliberately
> >>or willfully decide to mislead us.
> >>
> >>Relying on arguments presented by scholars like Mahmoud Abu-Saud,
> >>it is
> >>virtually impossible to adhere to the letters of the Sunnah of the
> >>Prophet
> >>(SAAS) in issues concerning Zakat. The question of substituting
> >>rice for
> >>the other foods mentioned in the hadith is in itself not strictly
> >>following
> >>the Sunnah. Furthermore, if even we are inclined to give food we
> >>have the
> >>added problem of translating these weights and measures into
> >>contemporary
> >>terms. We will be forced to make approximations. Approximations,
> >>strictly
> >>speaking, do not amount to strict adherence to the Sunnah. If even
> >>it were
> >>possible to reproduce the weights and measures; what criteria could
> >>we use
> >>to claim that a "saa" of rice is equivalent to a "saa" of date,
> >>wheat or
> >>barley? The question in this case has to deal with equivalent
> >>ratio. The
> >>only way out is to claim that a "saa" is a "saa" regardless of the
> >>food
> >>substance. But then, is a "saa' of rice equivalent to a "saa" of
> >>banga (a
> >>close relative of the date)?
> >>
> >>My brother, please forgive me for taking this approach to a very
> >>serious
> >>issue. However, I do feel that the ascription of Bida (innovation)
> >>should
> >>be revisited on a case by case issue. Please look at Abu-Saud's
> >>work
> >>"Contemporary Zakat". He does raise some interesting issues
> >>covering the
> >>whole concept of Zakat in a modern society. He makes a sharp
> >>distinction
> >>between the letter of the hadith and the spirit of the hadith.
> >>
> >>Ramadan MuBarak
> >>
> >>Sami.
> >>
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