Joke, again you have exhibited your stupidity. Stop putting words in
people's mouths. You know you are lying about Manneh. Re-read what he said.
Among other things, he said: "It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody
to win in Niani, the person MUST have the Wollof majority (the same is true
for upper fulladu west). You DON'T have to campaign on tribal line but you
need to address specific NEEDS of these people and must deploy tactics that
will shift their confidence and support to your party." Emphasis mine.

The man categorically told you that parties DO NOT HAVE TO CAMPAIGN ON
TRIBAL LINES. He simply stated a fact. Without the Wollof majority, you
cannot win. What is wrong with that statement? Ah! APRC can of course win
elections without the majority vote. They just have to buy people's cards
and disenfranchise them. What is wrong in finding out the unique
peculiarities of certain tribes and addressing those issues? That is all
Manneh is talking about. Darboe should know for instance that if he goes to
certain villages in Niani, he should speak Wollof. I see why you easily
jumped on Manneh. You have a deviant mind. People talk about tribes, you
start thinking about how to pit one tribe against the other. We are NOT in
that game. We RESPECT ALL THE TRIBES. We know that when Manned talks about
'NEEDS', he is NOT talking about pitting people against each other. The
Wollof majority do NOT 'need' to hear bad and divisive things about their
neighbors, the Mandinkas. They have more meaningful needs. We will address
those within ourselves in the Opposition ranks. For purposes of G_L, I just
pointed out to you one obvious 'need': the 'need' to respect people's
languages and address them in that language. We want to recognize people's
differences and celebrate and address those differences in a positive light.

Finally, I reassure you that we are always where we were. You come here with
lies, you hear from us. Period.
KB



>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:39:26 -0000
>
>What a load of bull**** from Lamin Manneh. Lamin, analysis of the reasons
>why Hon. Almamy Touray won in Niani is total bull. You know it, I know it
>and so does most right thinking Gambians. Any body or party that hopes to
>exploit the ethnic or religious card to be elected to office will not only
>loose, but will be humiliated.
>
>For the benifit of others, I'll throw more light into why Lamin Manneh's
>analysis is rubbish. Like I said earlier, to say that tribalism influenced
>the outcome of the last elections is absolute rubbish. Look at the
>background of the various candidates.
>
>Mr. Almamy Touray comes from a very respectable family who initially hailed
>from Kayai village. His father was one time a deputy imam of Kuntaur wharf
>Town. Mr. Manneh hails from Mackah Saderr about 5 Km from Kuntaur. Mackah
>Saderr was named after Saderr Manneh, his father who was Chief of Niani
>district until he retired of old age giving way to the election of the late
>Dodou Ndow. The NRP candidate, Boury Jawo hails from Kuntaur Fulla Kunda
>and
>was the son of the late Noperry Jawo a renown and respectable islamic
>scholar and elder.
>
>Until his retirement due to ill health, Mr. Koita Cham represented Niani
>district for the best part of post independence Gambia. The Cham family
>originally hailed from Chamen, Nianija. The present upper Fuladu NAM, Mr.
>Churchill Falai Baldeh was a ward of the late Koita Cham. Incidentally,
>Niani district has never elected a wollof to represent them in parliament.
>Therefore Lamin Manneh's assertion that tribal affiliation should be
>considered when seeking the mandate of our peoples for representation is
>not
>only bull, but a very backward way of looking at things this day and age.
>
>To say that Talib Bensouda was unpopular in Niani is also absolute rubbish.
>Talib Bensouda, whose ancestors originally hailed from Morroco was the son
>of one of Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara's sisters. He was a successful
>businessman who went into politics after the retirement of the late Koita
>Cham. He left politics of his own volition, when he was dropped from being
>a
>parliamentary secretary under Sir Dawda and was employed by Bimex. Right
>now
>he lives in the US with his family.
>
>I know all the above people intimately as I grew among them. Your posting
>in
>Janjanburray for a brief spell does not in any way qualify you to make such
>derogratory statements. How dare you suggest that the people of Niani vote
>on tribal lines? Do you know that Hon. Almamy Touray was once returned to
>parliament unopposed? It is very important that people take their time to
>find out about things that they don't know rather than just speaking for
>the
>sake of speaking. George Washington once said that "it is better to keep
>quite and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
>
>When I first posted the resignation of Hon. Almay Touray, it was quickly
>followed by another from Ebrima Ceesay allegedly from one of his sources.
>What that source failed to say was that I posted the news as soon as it was
>broadcast on GRTS. It was already known throughout the Gambia by the time I
>posted that information. The impression given by the counter post was that
>it was breaking news. It was not. It is very interesting reading other
>papers or to listen to any of our local radios stations to get the facts.
>If
>the allegations levelled against Hon. Almay Touray are the sole reasons for
>the UDP to "expel him" from the party, is the timing right? What good will
>it do to the party coming soon after the party suffered a most humiliating
>defeat in the recent bye-elections? People should ponder over this rather
>than speculating about Almamy's expulsion or resignation from the UDP.
>
>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>
>To those wondering what my next move is, you don't have to wait long.
>Kujabi, Jeng, Dampha, Hamjatta, Sanusi, Barrow, Saul, Mboge, I'll get back
>to you very very soon. I am a bit busy these days and Colly's recent post
>really upset me. I could not, however resist the temptation to respond to
>Mr. Manneh's nonsence.
>
>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Lamin Manneh PF <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:09:01 -0700
>>
>>Mr. Conteh, let me add my little thoughts on this issue. Hon. Touray >was
>>sitting on a hot UDP chair in parliament. His victory in the last
>> >National
>>Assembly Election was mainly due to the fact that APRC failed to  >select
>>the
>>candidate of people's choice. The majority of Nianinkas were in for one
>>Sainey Manneh whose candidature was rejected by the APRC National
>> >Committee.
>>Over 3000 supporters of Mr. Manneh in that district change their
>> >allegiance
>>from APRC and voted for Hon. Touray. This was the same way he came to
>>parliament in 1992 when PPP selected Talip Bensouda who was widely
>> >unpopular
>>in Niani.
>>Please allow me for the sake of political analysis only to talk about
>> >tribal
>>representation in Niani, how it help Hon. Touray to victory and the >dire
>>consequences it have on his next election campaign. First here are the
>>polling stations of last NAM election in Niani.
>>1. Nyaga Bantang      mainly Wollof
>>2. Gingori Mustapha   Fullas & Wollof
>>3. Kass Wollof        maily Wollof
>>4. Jukul Ndawen       Mainly wollof
>>5. Dinkirai           Fulla, wollof
>>6. Wassu              mandinka, fulla
>>7. Kuntaur            mixed but more mandinka
>>8. Sukuta             mainly mandinka
>>9. Kayai              mainly mandinka
>>10. Kataba Alh. Omar  Fulla and Wollof
>>11. M'bayen Wollof    mainly wollof
>>It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody to win in Niani, the >person
>>MUST have the Wollof majority(the same is true fot upper fulladu >west).
>>You
>>don't have to campaign on tribal line but you need to addresss specific
>>needs of these people and must deploy tactics that will shift their
>>confidence and support to your party. What really happened in Niani >last
>>NAM
>>election was that this Wollof majority was grossly dissappointed with
>> >APRC
>>when they rejected Mr. Manneh. Two days after nominations in >Janjanbureh,
>>a
>>delegation of five prominent people with 3500 voter's cards and D5000
>> >cash,
>>stormed my office to nominate Mr. Manneh as Independent candidate. I
>>rejected the application because nominations were closed at that time.
>> >After
>>an intensive conversation on the election degree, these ardent APRC
>>supporters left with an ire in their eyes but strong in principle. >Their
>>last word to me was "we will do to Jammeh, what we did to Jawara", >which
>>implies voting for Almamo or UDP. The five reps. seemed to like Hon.
>> >Touray
>>but not UDP as a party. Hon. Touray eventually won because he got over
>> >half
>>of the divided wollof votes and almost entirely the whole of Kuntaur,
>> >Kayai
>>and Sukuta areas.
>>To wrap up, UDP should find out why they are not getting support in
>> >certain
>>communities like Niani and help candidates who faces potential defeats >in
>>their districts(like Hon. Touray) with appropiate campaign strategies. >In
>>fact they should come out with a comprehensive campaign plan for each
>>district as soon as possible. People like Wa Juwara and Jallow, both
>> >former
>>commisioners, could be very useful in that exercise. The way you handle
>>Kombokas is different from Badibonkas and the same is true throughout >the
>>country.  We don't have to discuss that on this forum, but any section >in
>>The Gambia has some interesting unique qualities.
>>Cheers
>>PF Manneh
>>NOTE: Mr. Dampha and others, i am not very good in replying people's
>>comments on postings due to busy schedules. I always appreciate your
>>brilliant comments on the L. Will send you a private mail soon.
>>
>>From: MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY  TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:22:03 -0400
>>
>>Mr. Owens:
>>
>>It is interesting that we are in principle as a
>>united front against the dictator.  Whether we
>>decide to critic issues in their entity, we have
>>reasons to be critical of the dictatorship.
>>
>>It is disturbing to hear Hon. Touray's expulsion
>>from Kebba Jobe, though he Kebba said the opposite
>>of the truth.  It will serve members of the L if
>>UDP and NRP can have their propaganda secretaries
>>listed on the L so that we can engage them in
>>substantive debates.  I commend Brother Halifa Sallah
>>for coming forthwith with his analysis on PDOIS's
>>position.
>>
>>My position on Hon. Touray's case has not changed.
>>I believe that the UDP has a moral obligation to
>>tell us what really happened rather than reading
>>the trend of events from third parties.
>>
>>As we move in a threshold, we as an opposition must
>>clearly define our purpose and seek unity.  We should
>>not be in any position to create disarray.  I believe
>>that the UDP leadership acted improperly in expelling
>>Hon. Almamy Touray.
>>
>>Naphiyo,
>>
>>Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>>
>>------Original Message------
>>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sanusi=20Owens?= <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Sent: May 8, 2001 11:24:57 AM GMT
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY  TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>
>>
>>Comrade Conteh
>>
>>This was a brilliant point. However, I wonder whether
>>it is sensible for UDP to have someone like Touray in
>>their camp.
>>
>>I have carefully followed the activities of Mr Touray
>>as NAM of the UDP. At no time have I heard him made
>>any significant contribution to the Adjournment
>>debates.
>>In addition, I have heard no contribution from Mr
>>Touray on the following motions sponsored by the UDP;
>>
>>The Crude Oil Saga,
>>
>>The motion to defeat the Government's amendment to the
>>Indemnity Act.
>>
>>Comrade Conteh,
>>
>>Lets face it Almamy Touray's expulsion from the party
>>is a blessing in disguise. This man already has a
>>criminal record and it would be difficult for him to
>>defend his record as an NAM of UDP in the next
>>parliamentary elections. I think UDP should have
>>expelled Mr Touray after his release from Beligian
>>jails. It was an embarrassment to the party, but thank
>>God the matter has now been settled. According to
>>reliable sources, Mr Touray is seen as a possible
>>defector to the APRC. If this is proven to be true
>>then surely they have taken a wise measure; EXPEL HIM
>>BEFORE HE EMBARRASSES THE PARTY.
>>
>>Having said so, I agree with you that UDP should have
>>waited until after the dissolution of parliament, but
>>why should they tolerate someone who lacked the
>>political courage to defend the party's interests in
>>parliament?
>>
>>Finally, Mr Touray represents a constituency which
>>were affected by the April 10/11 Students Massacre. If
>>Mr Touray could abstain from voting on the Indemnity
>>Act then surely we wonder why he should continue
>>representing the people of Barrajally,who lost their
>>kids in that brutal act by security forces of the
>>APRC.  What message does it give to the Gambian
>>majority yearning for justice? The NAM who should have
>>been at the forefront decides to keep silent about the
>>whole issue. In all fairness, UDP has set its
>>standards and we should commend them, other parties
>>should take note that a principles must never be
>>compromised for individual interests or else political
>>freedom from APRC will be a myth.
>>
>>I understand that it was Kebba Jobe who first sent us
>>this information entitled a Terrible blow to UDP.
>>There again we saw our University Graduate in
>>Engineering trying to act as a passive supporter of
>>the APRC Government. One fundamental blunder committed
>>by Mr Jobe was to regard Touray's "resignation" from
>>the party as a terrible blow to the party. What's
>>wrong with this man. I have read all his articles, but
>>this one was the worst. We all know what is a terrible
>>blow to a political party. Did he read Mr Tamsir
>>Jallow's comments on Musa Suso's conviction. Did
>>Tamsir Jallow not say that Musa Suso's conviction was
>>a terrible blow for the ruling APRC? If Mr Jobe was
>>honest with the situation, we would heard his views on
>>this case. Here the party in power got humiliated and
>>they had to recover by making Touray's expulsion a big
>>issue. It is my view that Mr Jobe must have been
>>acting on orders from above to disseminate news that
>>Touray has resigned from the party in the hope of
>>diverting attention from the Musa Suso's conviction.
>>They have used this tactic before, take for instance
>>the April Massacre. At a time when people were
>>mourning the death of those youths murdered by the
>>security forces, APRC decides to announce that Almamy
>>Touray is serving a prison sentence in Beligium.In
>>fact this news was always kept under the carpet and
>>their decison to make it an issue was all political.
>>The whole ploy by APRC was for people to focus on
>>Touray's imprisonment and forget about the APRIL
>>Massacre.
>>
>>With this in mind, the APRC have suffered a terrible
>>blow from last week's sentencing of Musa Suso's
>>conviction for drug trafficking. If APRC had the guts,
>>they would have suspended Musa Suso from the party,
>>but instead even gave him an award some two weeks ago.
>>I think that award was to indicate that he will be the
>>First Member of the National Assembly to be convicted
>>in the Gambian Law Courts.Well Done Musa Suso for
>>being  Mile 2 Prison's VIP- very important person or
>>vagabonds in power.
>>
>>I await your response.
>>
>>Have a wonderful day
>>
>>Sanusi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >
>>Pah:
>> >
>> > I read with interest your posted message on
>> > Hon. Almamy Touray's expulsion from UDP.  You
>> > indicated that one of the reasons was that
>> > Hon. Touray did not follow party rules of
>> > conduct and also was silent during the passage
>> > of the last controversial bill in the legislature.
>> > You further stated that he was working with the
>> > enemy forces against the interest of UDP.
>> >
>> > I am really concern about the subjective
>> > interpretation by the UDP leadership in this
>> > situation.  Hon. Touray was elected to represent
>> > the people of Niani.  His duty as a member of the
>> > legislature is to interpret legislative issues
>> > objectively and if he fails to do sure, he has
>> > breached a contract with his constituency.
>> >
>> > I am further concern that with the present state
>> > of affairs in our country, the opposition should
>> > be engaging in building a family tree rather than
>> > cutting it down.  I do not condone Hon. Touray's
>> > behavior, but I am concern with the lack of
>> > independence that elected members must exhibit
>> > during parliamentary proceedings.  No elected
>> > representative should robber stamp any initiative
>> > endorsed by his or her political party.  As we
>> > reach a finer moment in our struggle, we need to
>> > embrace each other rather than destroy the
>> > bridge building initiative that the opposition
>> > started.
>> >
>> > In this analysis, I condemn the leadership of UDP
>> > for expelling Hon. Almamy Touray.  Hon. Touray has
>> > all the rights to be a renegade member of The
>> > Gambian legislature.  I have not heard from the
>> > speaker or the clerk of the legislature of any
>> > violations committed by Hon. Touray.  If it is
>> > true that the gentleman did not violate any
>> > parliamentary proceeding, then the UDP leadership
>> > acted unwisely to expel Hon. Almamy Touray.  It
>> > seems that the UDP leadership is enabling a void
>> > in inflicting a serious wound to the image of its
>> > party.  Though I am a passive supporter of UDP, I
>> > have a duty to disagree in principle in expelling
>> > a member of The Gambian legislature from an
>> > opposition party trying hard to unseat a dictator.
>> >
>> > Naphiyo,
>> >
>> > Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>> >
>
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