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baboucarr jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:49:02 -0500
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Bro Elhajj Mustapha,

I had tried not to address you on this issue but to be honest with you your
incessant erratic approach and inconsistencies on Ebou Jallow saga is
mind-boggling.The more posting you send about this issue,the more the trail
of your double standards becomes more pronounced.It's just an observation
and no hard feelings whatsoever from this end.Peace!

Jobs.


>From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:28:45 +0100
>
>Joe,
>You are very correct, that i should not leave the burden of calling on the
>thieves with you. But calling them thieves without having any proof infront
>of
>me, could be called as a deformation of character. A rational
>decision-maker
>always goes by the preponderance of the evidence. One must be able to proof
>his
>/ her case " beyond a reasonable doubt " that is to proof that leaves you
>firmly
>convinced of the defendant`s guilt. Joe, honestly you and I know who the
>thieves
>are in the Gambia. They all acquired their wealth infront of us, without
>even
>going out of the Gambia. How on earth did they get such wealth with the
>small
>salaries they were getting? Joe,
>we as a "Ndongohs" frankly, you know all the thieves. You see Matarr
>frankly
>admitted that, but he is right to say that they did not get access to them
>in
>other forums like the G-L. We have all rights to follow all the thieves,
>but let
>us treat them equally the same way we are treating Ebou.
>
>Elhajj.
>
>Joe Sambou skrev:
>
> > Jabou and Elhajj, thanks for your exchange.  However, Elhajj, you are a
> > Gambian too.  How come you want to leave us the burden of calling on all
> > thieves that stole from our people.  If you know of any, why wait for
> > someone else to do the pointing?  It should be incumbent on all of us to
>do
> > the pointing.  Most of us, including yourself talked about Jammeh and
>Jawara
> > administration thieves, so I do not understand why you think we are
>singling
> > out Ebou.  Like I said, no thief is immune.  If you know of any others
>that
> > we should take on, please point them out.  In the mean time, I will deal
> > with Ebou Jallow.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
> > >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:03:27 +0100
> > >
> > >Jabou,
> > >I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a thief ". In
>my
> > >opinion,
> > >all thieves should be treated the same way. Some people has taken more
>than
> > >what
> > >Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on them. I want to see
>them
> > >attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou Jallow is being
>attacked. I
> > >made
> > >it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not defending his
>action,
> > >  but i
> > >cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us explainations. What
> > >about the
> > >others ?
> > >Jabou, you know that Ebou did not give me a penny on this amount. I
> > >repeatedly
> > >said that i sympathize with Ebou, because of the antagonisms he faces
> > >within the
> > >Gambian community.  But let people understand that, one can only
>sympathize
> > >with a
> > >friend / relative / whatever / when they face difficulties, but you
>cannot
> > >change
> > >the process of the truth. The truth will always be the truth!  I hope
>my
> > >fellow
> > >G-Lers  will understand my positon not to misjudge me. Frankly, I did
>not
> > >regret
> > >joining the L, because i met with old friends, met with new friends and
> > >usually
> > >get a lot of fun here. So, I highly appreciate this gathering, and also
> > >respect
> > >their views on our debates. It is not always that we will see eye to
>eye on
> > >issues, but it does make us to be enemies. Let us just disagree with
> > >respect, not
> > >to creat enemity between us.
> > >
> > >Happy Ramadan
> > >Elhajj.
> > >
> > >Jabou Joh skrev:
> > >
> > > > Elhadj,
> > > >
> > > > I hope you are being sarcastic, because whether it was taken as Ebou
>did
> > >or
> > > > taken in secret as other did, it all amounts to the same thing, and
>as
> > >far as
> > > > I am concerned, they are all thieves, whether they took it during
>the
> > >Jawara
> > > > Era or now in various forms. A thief is a thief, and no amount of
> > >smoothing
> > > > over can ever change that. If one takes what does not belong to
>them,
> > >and
> > > > worse still, if what they took was entrusted to them on behalf of
>the
> > >people,
> > > >  or by the people it puts them into a category that no decent person
> > >wants to
> > > > belong to.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, mentioning the thievery practiced by our government officials
>past
> > >and
> > > > present very much belongs on Gambia-L, and why?
> > > > Because this is a gathering of Gambians, and if such talk does not
> > >belong
> > > > here, then where in heaven's name does it belong then, in the
>closet? We
> > >have
> > > > done too much of that, always trying to hush hush the misdeeds of
>those
> > >who
> > > > should exercise the highest moral character because they are the
> > >guardians of
> > > > what little assets we have,
> > > > and all that this does is to send the message that one can do
>anything
> > >and
> > > > get away with it. No more. If they do it, we will talk about it loud
>and
> > > > clear for the whole World to hear.No hard feelings Elhadj, and i am
>sure
> > >you
> > > > will agree with me because i do believe you are a man of ethics, and
> > >truth
> > > > can never be the equivalent of falsehood as the holy Qur'an tells
>us.
> > > >
> > > > Sister Jabou Joh
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 6:11:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > I am sorry to say, that the truth you have mentioned in your mail,
> > >should
> > > > > not be
> > > > > mentioned on the Gambia-L. Ebou Jallow is the ONLY THIEF who has
>ever
> > > > > stolen the
> > > > > coffers of our country. All the rest who took our coffers in the
>past
> > >37
> > > > > years
> > > > > has borrowed what they took. We hope the so called truthful G-Lers
> > >will ask
> > > > > them,
> > > > > when they will pay back our money? Some are running their
>progressive
> > > > > businesses,
> > > > > and others are sitting in their Mansions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elhajj
> > > > >
> > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/2001 7:57:24 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Samba and co,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean it when I said Ebou is Man. To apologise after all he
>siad
> > >and
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > against Jammeh and this Government, it is unbelievable. I
>could
> > >not
> > > > > beleive
> > > > > > > my eyes when I saw the original letter. At first I thought it
>was
> > >fake.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ebou Jallow has done so much damage to President Jammeh and
>this
> > > > > Government
> > > > > > > and I do not think he will be forgivened.I think this is all a
>CIA
> > > > > plot. I
> > > > > > > have know Ebou Jallow we had a good relation and we still do,
>but
> > >I just
> > > > > > > hope he is not stupid enough to step his foot in this country.
>He
> > >will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > tried and jailed. Even if President Jammeh forgives him,
>others
> > >would
> > > > > not.
> > > > > > > He has done wrong to others too, not only President Jammeh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He is a man. He knows what people would say about him and he
>still
> > >came
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > in public apologising. I think Ebou is being paid and
>manipulated
> > >by the
> > > > > > > CIA. I might be wrong but this is my feeling. I do not see
> > >anything that
> > > > > > > would save Ebou Jallow from being punished for what he did if
>he
> > >comes
> > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PEACE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tombong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Tombong,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With all due respect, Ebou Jallow has not done anything that
>Jammeh
> > >and co
> > > > > > have not done, and on a much larger scale infact. Seems to me
>that
> > >he is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > the only one who needs to be tried and jailed, so this is a case
>of
> > >" the
> > > > > pot
> > > > > > calling the kettel black". It is a strange thing when criminals
>try
> > >to
> > > > > point
> > > > > > fingers at each other.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou Joh
> > > > > >
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