Saiks:
Your points here were presented as true and accurate. I think that the demonstrable existence of democracy in some of these so call "civilized western democracies" should in fact reconsider and modify their systems or, call it something else. I brought this topic up in the forum, but i think some people are just here to provoke formal contest of argumentation without trying to reason.
Your arguments were well composed and set down.
Thanks for sharing!
SSJawara.
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From: "Saikou Samateh" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: US Election Card
> Dear Yus,
> I did promised to come to this topic.Perhaps I should just make a short
> comment on the Mumias case and then move on but reading from your posting it
> is not even necessary for me to continue more on this issue.You insisted
> that Mumia is guilty,which in contrary to the views of many and the evidence
> gathered,but there are many reason why Mumia is one of the most hated
> journalist by the Philadelphia police,among others his politics and his
> constant critic of Police racism,thus the frame up charges.
> On this same point you insisted that Mumia is guilty and he deserved to be
> hang,what of those sex police who shot that little African man with 46
> bullets and work away to freedom.The judiciary is not only the back bone of
> a democratic nation but very important in drawing a balance sheet..The
> American judicial system,especially in cases of civil liberty is a mockery
> to democracy.One is not only having the O.J.Simson case in mind and the
> above named cases,recently it was shown that in most of the cases involving
> murder charges,the accused are represented by either in- experience lawyers
> or lawyers who have by one way or another relationship with the actors.Allow
> me to say that I could not recalled those who did this investigation,but I
> could remember that these were law students.What those this show,you have to
> be rich or influential to get a fair trial in USA and good representation in
> such cases.In a true democratic state this should not be the case,every
> individual should equally be protected by the law.
> Parliamentary democracy is what reveals best the undemocratic nature of the
> USA.Recently,the Russian Chairman of the electoral commission was saying
> that the Russian electoral system is more democratic than that of the USA
> and that he hopes this recent crisis will open up new discussion of the
> electoral system in the USA .Who can disagree with him on this case.In
> Russia and in the Gambia and in Senegal etc the winner of the election is
> the person with the majority of votes.This is the opposite in the USA,the
> majority of voters can vote for you to become their president but yet still
> you become the lose.
> Why is it that millions are spent on elections in the US,is this to advance
> Democracy or to corrupt it ?and who are those pumping these millions into
> these election,is the money from membership dues or from the coffers of
> "big Business".These millions are what makes the American society
> undemocratic,they are from the coffers of "Big Business" and these are what
> dictates politics and the judiciary in the US any other thing is sweet
> talks.Even the CIA that at one time of US history was the dominant force in
> deciding the fate of American politics have now lose to the "Big
> Business".When a nation operates this way,the interest of her citizens are
> not what becomes the immediate.The American government can invest in
> researches,with billions,in the name of science,whiles millions of Americans
> continue to make up the soup lines.And not only that a great part of this
> research monies end up in cooperates coffers,but the end result of these
> research do not go to advance the living standard of the ordinary American
> but to open up new avenues for "Big Business".Simple,if Yusufa Samba invest
> in the election campaign of the AFPRC,as he is known to be doing,he does
> this not out of a love relationship with the AFPRC,but he expect in turn to
> be granted State contracts.
> In a statement made by Hamjatta and Sidi,that democracy and development are
> inseparable,my understanding of this statement is that democracy leads to
> development and that without development democracy would not be able to
> develop further.If my interpretations are correct this is very true.But
> what reality has also teaches us is that this is not always the case,that is
> to say the two could be opposites also.Because in our generation we have
> seen "Big Business" cooperates investing in politics and buying big medias
> and offcourse what is expected here is also to see to it that the interest
> of the "Big Business" cooperates are represented.This was the very reason
> why some of us were saying that Yusufa Samba buying the Observer was a very
> big blow to the advancement of democracy in the Gambia.We are seeing how the
> Observer is degenerating.This is the same things in the US.The big Media are
> at the service of the "Big Business" cooperates than that of the ordinary
> people.In all the talk shows during the president race,who would have
> believed that there are other presidential candidates than that of the
> democrats and the Conservative.With the development of the mass media,the
> role it should have played in giving equal opportunity to all the
> presidential candidates to present their politics might have save America
> from having only two main stream politics,this will give chance to the
> ordinary Americans to identify themselves with the politics that represent
> their interest and advance more participation from the ordinary people.But
> the role of the mass media has been to present these two as the only
> alternative,a healthy democracy would have discourage such behaviour from
> the mass media.The media as we know, is very conscious as to role it plays
> and can play in controlling the minds of the people,when the media takes it
> upon itself to narrow the minds of people,it is doing it consciously.Why is
> it that in an advance country like the USA,poor turn out to the polling
> stations has still not become a things of the past.My view point in this
> case,is that for the majority it does not make any difference who comes to
> power,it would not change their day to day struggle for survival or do
> something with their yearning for justice.It took 10 times double more
> people to get to the streets of New York and LA to protest against injustice
> in the case of Jallow and King respectively than the number of people who
> came out to protest for re-vote or no -vote.It took more people in Abidjan
> into the street to defend their victory than in the streets of Florida.The
> point in case here is not because there is more democracy in Florida than
> it is in Abidjan,the fact is that,the two people have a different
> relationship to politics.For the people of Abijan it was a way out of
> military dictatorship and in Florida,it is a matter of "and who wins what
> ?".When the PPP was ruling the Gambia,no one was ever killed or charged for
> murder in connection with election campaigned,because for the people it was
> a question of ,it was either Jawara or Dibba and What.But now we have a
> different political situation and thus all these detentions ,the killings
> etc.
> The Us Democracy would never ,under this circumstances,advance in the
> interest of the ordinary people of the USA.This is the very fear that is
> ranging in many European countries.This is why in many European countries
> sponsorship/contribution from private cooperates to a political party is
> seen as corruption and in Germany the consequences were too great for the
> CDP.There is no doubt about the fact that this undermines democracy,it makes
> it a laughing thing,it corrupts the whole system,from law marking to simple
> science research.As said above it is not always in the interest of ordinary
> American that Scientist are sent to space to look at the moon whiles the
> soup lines on earth (In America)continues to crow.
> You will see that there are many big talks in American democracy than what
> the realities are,and when one looks at the international polices of this
> country one sees more of what in reality democracy in this country is all
> about.
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yusupha Jow <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: US Election Card
>
>
> > Saiks:
> > No system is perfect and the American democratic system is no exception.
> In
> > fact, this country might not even be the best model for democracy. No one
> > doubts this.
> >
> > As for Mumia Abu Jamal, the guy is guilty as sin and therefore deserves to
> > meet his maker. Yes, Abu Jamal was politically active but he killed a
> family
> > man in cold blood. He is in jail for this crime and not his political
> > activities.
> >
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