Thanks for the clarification. I am not Dr Manneh and the lord is my witness ,i never set eye that man not even his picture. What i cannot stand is the arrogance and self-promotion Samsideen wish to exhibit himself with against the reputation of individuals he can easily contact to sort out his personal beef with.
Whether Manneh graduated with doctorate or not have no benefit for me directly. I don't know him neither am i related to him.
Samsideen also wants to identify who i am .he will have to do better than that. The topic is not about me or him ,it is about a behaviour and mindset which we should all aim to defeat .The man i believe is sad and lonely. he long for the past when he use to be important and wanted ,now he thought suddenly, i can use the pages of sankareh to let Gambians know here i am THE INDEFATIGABLE SAMSIDEEN SARR. we know you sam ,you are with us right here in Gambia l.come clean about your ID. ask around for me.debate with your ideas not your person. leave your children out of this.
ginny, the tribal remarks are mostly very minimal compared to other African countries. we all have pride in our tribe ,who doesn't ? but that is without malice and hate. we are too mix for that .sam just wants to come back to the lime light ,he is dying to be heard. he chooses the wrong topic.
samsideen should have been careful, attacking me and trying to belittle me exposed him further.
i asked the same question ,what did he wish to achieve by naming people as tribalist and using derogatory remarks against them? instead of seeing my unifying message he thought hell no, who is that person questioning my history lesson cabbage? for us to unite ,we have to respect each others cultures and tribes and try to understand one another. we cannot eliminate tribe or tribal pride. all we can do is ,associate with each other base on love and care for one another and see the good in the human family.but bringing old stories and blaming Mr x ,y and z will not take us any where. it is rather sad and a bad coincidence with events unfolding in Kenya .the past is not all pretty but people live with them and make better judgement for the future. i hope sankareh see the reality in samsideen .
Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hello, Suntou, as Ousman has said, resumes (you guys call them
cirriculum vites), are public record I guess? Or at least, I think
the US law leaves it up to each institution as to how, when,a nd in
what circumstnaces info can be given out! So yes, it is possible to
find out from a US institution, if someone did indeed get a degree,
this wouldn't fall under privacy so much, as this information would be
needed to verify someone's claims of going to coolege, having a
degree, and becoming a doctor, etc.
I've not read the article being discussed, however, I hate to see the
ugliness of tribalism being brought up again! Perhaps we can all
agree that to one extent or antoher "tribalism" is or has the
potential to become, quite a problem! Instead of rehashing the hows
and whys, the question I'm left with is, what is the solution?
Talking about how the Mandinkas did this, and hte Wolofs did that,
isn't going to help The Gambia progress! The question I'm left with
is, where do we go from here?
This reminds me of many Muslim bloggers of late talking about hte
"problems" within the Muslim community, mostly speaking of here in the
US, and we just keep rehashing the same old htings. And I know that
tribalism and problems iwth int he Western Muslim community are two
different things. However, now that we've brought this up again, in
the case, on this list, tribalism, the quesiton is, how do we solv
ethe problem?
What do we consider to be "tribalism" in the first place? Thinking
htat your ethnic group is supperior to antoher? Only speaking your
own lnaguage, at the detriment of others' languages? Having pride and
self-confidence in your ethnicity, who you and htey are, where you've
come from?
Perhaps before we start throwing around the label of "tribalism",
perhaps we should try to define what that word is! Lest the word is
used so much for any grievance, that like the word "racism" it begins
t lose its pwoer.
My experience in reading these "tribalism" threads, is that only
Mandinks get labelled "tribalist", certainly other gorups aren't
immune to this sort of thing are they?
And if I'm reading this right,a nd if Mandinks are disproportionately
being given this label, why is this? And if so, why does hti shappen,
and are not other groups also guilty of "tribalism"?
Just some thoughts to ponder on, I freely admit that I don't know
anything in this regard.
Ginny
On 1/2/08, Ousman Ceesay wrote:
> Suntou,
>
> There are privacy laws in the United States. For instance you can't get
> access to someone's health records without permission. However, curriculum
> vitae is a different ball game. They don't fall under privacy laws. People
> can call institutions to verify the authenticity of degrees.
>
> I don't know what kind of beef Sam has with Dr. Manneh, but he wouldn't be
> breaking any laws calling on the institution that Dr. Manneh graduated from
> to verify if indeed he was conferred with a doctorate.
>
>
>
>
>
> SUNTOU TOURAY wrote: i thought SAM was a some brave
> soldier deserving his colonel medal,how wrong .the man couldn't sort out his
> personal problem with Dr manneh .he resort to behind his back
> bravery.www.thegambiaecho.com
>
> SAM wish to make me doctor manneh.whatever manneh did to him most be very
> personal indeed. i will reply to him shortly insahallah.
> samsideen still wish to proof Dr manneh's doctorate fake. he said he has the
> power to contact some u.s universities to proof his claim. is it that the
> u.s don't have confidentiality laws ?
> Suntou Touray wrote:
> haruna,thanks .you are very much needed where young brians like ours
> needed exposure.i personally gain from you and others here.keep the touch
> and tell mr edward we need you more than he does.
>
> haruna,read what kayatta have to say about the topic.
>
> Nice piece Santafara. I did not read Sam Sarr's article you referred to,
> however while i have to admit that tribe continues to affect African
> politics,I
> agree with your position that tribalism is not a driving force in Gambian
> politics.
> I am not sure about Sam's motive for initiating a dialogue about the future
> of
> the Gambia, but I think the best way for the dialogue perhaps should start
> with his accountability for his role in the crimes committed by the GNA and
> the
> AFPRC/APRC.government.
> I would like to add a few things to your reference to the origins of the
> PPP.
> The PPP evolved from a little known organization started by Sanjally Bojang
> of
> Brikama called "Linlahiwarasullu", later changed to "Kombo/Niumi kaffo".You
> probably all remembered Bojangbaa's role at Sarro during the colonial days.
> The initial purpose of this organization was to help the people of the
> protectorate (provinces) who came to Banjul metropolitan area looking for
> work at Sarro (GPMB) and other places. The assistance was mainly limited to
> burial and other religio-cultural circumstances.
> When the British were ready to transition the Gambia into a republican self-
> rule,Chief Sanjally Bojang and others convened a meeting at his house in
> Brikama to form a political party based on the organizational structure of
> the
> Kombo/Niumi kaffo. Sanjally Bojang was the founding father of the PPP. Their
> biggest setback was illiteracy in English, so they had to summon the
> leadership of the small educated class. Their first choice was Dr. Marena of
> the U.N.(Jawara was not even at that meeting). Dr. Marena declined the
> offer, but said that he has a friend in the person of Dawda K. Jawara, then
> a
> young ambitious graduate from Glascow University in the U.K, who might be
> interested in political leadership. That was how Jawara came into the scene
> and selected as the leader of what has now become the Protectorate People's
> Party (indicating its rural or provincial origin).
> As Jawara became entrenched in power and started co-opting some of the big
> names and influential people in the Banjul metro it made sense to then
> change
> the name of PPP to the People's Progressive Party. This name-change kind of
> nationalized the PPP and purpotedly ended its regional and class
> affiliation,
> although the PPP continued to enjoy wide support in the rural provincial
> areas.
> I think Jawara also tried very hard to reciprocate this massive support of
> the
> rural dwellers who were largely poor farmers by utilizing various tactics
> such
> as supplies of free food (Jawara mano), scholarships and government
> positions
> to DESERVING children of the provinces, and the annual 'Meet the farmers
> tour'.
> So afterall, i think the PPP was not representative of tribe . Rather it was
> more representative of class, but by the time the PPP was ousted by Jammeh
> in 1994 it had evolved a lot from its earlier nature.
> I hope this adjoiner enriches this discussion. Thanks.
>
> my response to his comments.
>
> thanks kay for that historical master piece.you are very right.the ppp was
> form in sanjalli's house.samsideen will dorge all questions relating to his
> role in
> the now imfamous coup.he is what many army personel call an 'arm chair
> colonel'.he love his military background so much ,that is the only picture
> we
> see of him in the echo.but in reality what distinguist service did he
> provide to
> the gambia when the need arise ? i can't see any.still today kay many urban
> dwellers can't come to terms with the fact rural folks have done good in
> both
> education and businesses,they thought we the rural masses are meant to be
> occupying the lower socail ladder .that is part of the problems the likes of
> samsideen is sufering from.look at his arrogant comments he made against a
> dead person.who he barely knew.dk jawara's first wive was an aku,his second
> a fula from basse lady chiley the daugter of famous fula business man
> momodou musa njie and his third wife presumably a wolof ,njeme .yet sam call
> such people tribalist.i hope the likes of kondorong ,karamba etc can
> enlighten
> us concerning this very sensitive topic.
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