Mr. Ansin,
Thanks for being very truthful in your article. I can agree with
anybody, who could accept that the stealing has been going on long time
ago. Those who stole in the past and the present are all thieves. There
is no difference! Why should we turn a blind eye to the other thieves?
This is why i said in my last posting that " Justice is not only a
result. It is a process, and all criminals should undergo through the
process, without exceptions ". You said the same thing as Matarr Sallah
that you did not get access to the other thieves, and that i can agree
with you. But to tell me that we don`t know the people who were looting
our coffers in that small country, before Jammeh and his gang emerged
would be the highest level of dishonesty on our side. Mr.Ansin, i am
surprised that people cannot differentiate the word defend and sympathy.
I would advise them to differentiate these two words before rushing to
judgement. One can only sympathize with a friend / whatever, but you can
stop any process of the correct thing prevailing. I have witnessed
several beheadings in Saudi Arabia, and have sympathized with victims,
but they were beheaded. If I were to defend Ebou, then that is another
position. Even our Analyst expert on the L, Mr Makaveli has accepted my
right to sympathize with him. But you see some of our unfair folks,
would even go to the extend of insulting you, when you differ ideas with
them. I would have been very popular, if i were sending millions of
insults to Yaya Jammeh and his regime. So, i came to understand that
people dictates over ones rights on the G-L, and still we call it a
democratic forum. People have all rights to be suspicious, because of my
sympathy for Ebou, but believe me in this holy month, I did not hear
about Ebou`s stealing before i joined the L, and I have not eaten a
butut from this money, and don`t even want a single butut from the
money. I am a proud person, and I only care what I have, and not what
others have. Do you think that our thieves are comfortable with their
lives? They or their children will never show us any pride. I thank God,
i am not in that vessel with my family.
Regarding Ebou`s apology to Jammeh, he called it a personal apology to
Jammeh. How can we go on speculating something personal between Jammeh
and Ebou, if none of them did not tell us what is personal between them?
I would have reacted against Ebou, if he had apologized for the
$3,000,000, or the murder incidents he claimed to have happened. But
here we are seeing a man apologizing to a former friend on the basis of
personal apology, and again in the month of Ramadan which all muslims
should do towards any person you have offended. How on earth can
everybody rush to judgement for the man`s apology? Pls. Mr.Ansin, think
carefully and make a judgement whether this is right or wrong. I am more
interested to know from Ebou about the murdered victims, because i am
always saying that their families should be given Justice for their
loved ones. The late Lt. Gibril Saye was visiting me regularly at my
home, and I remeber donating him for a christening ceremony he told me,
but i was shocked when i learnt that he was murdered. So I will always
challenge the Jammeh government to give them Justice, because in Islam,
If a relative of anyone is killed or wounded, he may choose one of the
three alternatives, but if he wants more you can prevent him. He may
retaliate, or forgive, or receive compensation. But if he accepts one of
these and afterwards asks something more, he will go to hell for ever
and ever. This is why I am calling on Jammeh`s government to give all
the murdered people Justice and this will never change on my side. We
should stop the accusations and try to find a strategy to get the
government come to the right steps. We cannot change the people`s
verdict, so it is better to get to business for the betterment of our
country. This is why we must make a dialog with the government to
achieve our goals. Thanks once again, for your truthful article.
Happy Ramadan.
Elhajj.
Faburama Ansin skrev:
>
>
> Elhajj,
>
> If someone steal huge amount of money from our country and you
> sympathise with him, naturally, people would be suspecious of a family
> ties or some kind of relationship. This has been going in the Gambia
> for a long time now, people would steal and those close to them would
> come to their defence. This has hurt our country for a long time and
> has to stop.
>
> You talk about other thieves that the list is not critisizing. We all
> know that Ebou is not the only one, but he is the one now on Gambia-L
> and we can easily communicate with him. In addition to that, Ebou had
> revealed really bad deeds of the the Jammeh regime and make us
> believed that he is innocient, then all of sudden turn around and
> appologized to the Jammeh of the things that he said about his
> regime. This has make lot of why he is doing this and demand an
> explanation. Why all a sudden a U-turn if he was telling us the
> truth.
>
> Faburama
> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
> >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:34:55 +0100
> >
> >Joe & Yus,
> >You have totally misunderstood my position to say that i am defending
> Ebou in
> >this issue. How many times have i mentioned that i am not defending
> Ebou? But
> >still both you and Yus are accusing me of defending him. I have said
> that i knew
> >about the Ebou Jallow issue when i joined the L, but both of you are
> saying that
> >i knew the issue before i join the L. How can you prove it ? Were you
> getting
> >contacts with me or do you know anybody who was getting contacts with
> me? You
> >have now started proving your dishonesty on the L to me. I joined the
> L about
> >two years ago, but i could not remember the exact time. I really
> don`t have time
> >now to go into the archives, but i would be very grateful, if you can
> forward my
> >first contribution date on the L. I have agreed with all of you that
> Ebou owe us
> >explainations, and i have said that i am not defending him, but still
> this does
> >not satisfy you. Your problem is that i should not sympathize with
> him, be rest
> >assured that none in this planet can change this inside my heart. It
> is my full
> >right to sympathize with him, and i will continue to do so. Call me
> whatever you
> >want!
> >Regarding the thieves in our country, I was totally satisfied with
> the honest
> >Matarr Sallah who had said the truth. We should be honest to
> ourselves to know
> >that
> >Justice is not only a result. It is a process, and all criminals
> should undergo
> >through the process, without exceptions. So, if we only see Ebou,
> Jammeh &
> >others as the only thieves in our country, then this proves our
> dishonesty at
> >the highest level. What about our previous looters? Are they not to
> be held
> >accountable? Gentlemen, let us judge all criminals equally. As you
> rightly said
> >" a thief, is a thief and a thief "
> >I have no doubt that my stance in the Ebou Jallow issue is very
> unpopular, but i
> >hope it would be respected. You people are yet to prove me as liar.
> So you
> >better do some more home work, with honesty.
> >
> >Elhajj
> >
> >Pls.BroYus, kindly drop the Islam discussion in this issue. You have
> the right
> >to believe what you want to believe. I have nothing against that.
> >
> >Joe Sambou skrev:
> >
> > > Elhajj, thanks for the confidence you bestowed in me. If I have a
> third
> > > party corroboration such as the Swiss Bank etc., I will name any
> guilty
> > > Gambian. I am not afraid to name anyone and I do not differentiate
> thieves.
> > > A thief, is a thief, and a thief. I can confidently call Jammeh a
> thief
> > > because he was named in the Ebou Jallow saga. All I need from you
> is to
> > > point me to evidence such as court transcripts and you will see
> what I can
> > > do with it, and I do not care if my best friend is the accused. I
> grew up
> > > with Ebou Jallow's brother, Poll, but that is no reason for me to
> keep
> > > quiet. Sir, the amount of energy you put forth defending Ebou, why
> don't
> > > you use the same vigor and assist me in identifying the people you
> have in
> > > mind. I also care less, what friends of thieves think of me. It is
> our
> > > duty as a Gambians to speak out on anyone that was caught stealing
> from our
> > > people. I am not forcing you to do anything. You brought this
> issue up in
> > > your defence of Ebou Jallow, therefore, it is incumbent on you to
> speak your
> > > mind. If you insist that you are afraid to call out the big
> thieves, then
> > > I'll take your word for it. So, if you are not willing to call on
> other
> > > thieves that you know off, why don't you leave us with the calling
> and stop
> > > delaying progress. Elhajj, this is not the first time you jumped
> in defence
> > > of Ebou Jallow. A year or so ago (on GL/Voice Out) you came in his
> defense
> > > when I took him on and I just ignored your comments. You knew of
> this issue
> > > at least a year ago, if not more. I respect your right to stick
> your neck
> > > out for your friend, but you also cannot muzzle me on the process.
> Please
> > > check with your friend, Ebou, he has all the court transcripts.
> Elhajj,
> > > always count on me to call it like it is. Let me know your
> thoughts.
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > >
> > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President
> Jammeh
> > > >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:57:07 +0100
> > > >
> > > >Moses,
> > > >If I am the only Gambian in this forum who know our thieves, then
> let us
> > > >all
> > > >assume that Ebou and the present regime are the only thieves. You
> people
> > > >want me
> > > >to answer a question that I will NEVER answer. Don`t you know
> that people
> > > >don`t
> > > >name or point fingers on our big thieves in the Gambia. Where are
> you in
> > > >this
> > > >world?
> > > >If you name or point a finger on our big thieves, his / her
> praise singers
> > > >will
> > > >labell you a jealous or a grudge person. Those people are
> untouchable! All
> > > >those
> > > >thieves ever convicted are small thieves who took the hundreds or
> the
> > > >thousands,
> > > >but the ones who took the millions are the blessed thieves, and
> they are
> > > >still
> > > >going about with their businesses. By the way, are you not a
> brother to
> > > >Paul
> > > >Sarr, who playing together with Joe in Young Africans football
> team ? I
> > > >know you
> > > >are not among Remi and Manuell`s brothers at Leman St. So if you
> are Paul`s
> > > >brother, you also know the thieves better than me. Maybe Joe can
> help you
> > > >name
> > > >the thieves.
> > > >
> > > >Elhajj.
> > > >
> > > >Moses Sarr skrev:
> > > >
> > > > > Elhajj,
> > > > >
> > > > > For God sake, name those people and then see what the
> reactions are
> > > >going to
> > > > > be in Gambia-L. Just give the names of the thieves you are
> talking
> > > > > about....oh my God.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mose
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President
> Jammeh
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:14:08 +0100
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dave,
> > > > > >You are right! It is the duty of every Gambian to attack our
> thieves.
> > > >But
> > > > > >be rest assured, that there
> > > > > >are people who has stolen more than Ebou Jallow, and they are
> among the
> > > > > >worst crooks on this planet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Elhajj
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You really got me! I have just eaten my couscous taking some
> pause to
> > > >make
> > > > > >my
> > > > > >" Tarawih prayer "
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dave Manneh skrev:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elhaji Fye,
> > > > > > > I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a
> > > >thief
> > > > > >". In my opinion,
> > > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some people
> has taken
> > > >more
> > > > > >than what
> > > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on them. I
> want to
> > > >see
> > > > > >them
> > > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou Jallow is
> being
> > > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not
> defending his
> > > > > >action, but i
> > > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
> explainations.
> > > >What
> > > > > >about the
> > > > > > > others ?
> > > > > > > If you know who those folks are, what is stopping you from
>
> > > > > >naming and shaming them.
> > > > > > > It is equally your duty to the Gambian people to name
> those "bigger
> > > > > >thieves" surely.
> > > > > > > There is no bigger thief than Ebou, the guy is a creep,
> and he knows
> > > >it
> > > > > >too.
> > > > > > > I told him two yrs ago that anytime he comes here with his
> shit,
> > > >there
> > > > > >will be
> > > > > > > people who will be more than willing to shove it where it
> comes
> > > >from,
> > > > > >which is his poo hole.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let Ebou give us a freaking break, oK??
> > > > > > > Enjoy your Iftar, if you haven't already eaten
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > > > > Sent: 24 November 2001 09:03
> > > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to
> President Jammeh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > > I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a
> thief ".
> > > >In my
> > > > > >opinion,
> > > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some people
> has taken
> > > >more
> > > > > >than what
> > > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on them. I
> want to
> > > >see
> > > > > >them
> > > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou Jallow is
> being
> > > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not
> defending his
> > > > > >action, but i
> > > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
> explainations.
> > > >What
> > > > > >about the
> > > > > > > others ?
> > > > > > > Jabou, you know that Ebou did not give me a penny on this
> amount. I
> > > > > >repeatedly
> > > > > > > said that i sympathize with Ebou, because of the
> antagonisms he
> > > >faces
> > > > > >within the
> > > > > > > Gambian community. But let people understand that, one can
> only
> > > > > >sympathize with a
> > > > > > > friend / relative / whatever / when they face
> difficulties, but you
> > > > > >cannot change
> > > > > > > the process of the truth. The truth will always be the
> truth! I
> > > >hope my
> > > > > >fellow
> > > > > > > G-Lers will understand my positon not to misjudge me.
> Frankly, I
> > > >did
> > > > > >not regret
> > > > > > > joining the L, because i met with old friends, met with
> new friends
> > > >and
> > > > > >usually
> > > > > > > get a lot of fun here. So, I highly appreciate this
> gathering, and
> > > >also
> > > > > >respect
> > > > > > > their views on our debates. It is not always that we will
> see eye to
> > > >eye
> > > > > >on
> > > > > > > issues, but it does make us to be enemies. Let us just
> disagree with
> > > > > >respect, not
> > > > > > > to creat enemity between us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happy Ramadan
> > > > > > > Elhajj.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elhadj,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope you are being sarcastic, because whether it was
> taken as
> > > >Ebou
> > > > > >did or
> > > > > > > > taken in secret as other did, it all amounts to the same
> thing,
> > > >and as
> > > > > >far as
> > > > > > > > I am concerned, they are all thieves, whether they took
> it during
> > > >the
> > > > > >Jawara
> > > > > > > > Era or now in various forms. A thief is a thief, and no
> amount of
> > > > > >smoothing
> > > > > > > > over can ever change that. If one takes what does not
> belong to
> > > >them,
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > worse still, if what they took was entrusted to them on
> behalf of
> > > >the
> > > > > >people,
> > > > > > > > or by the people it puts them into a category that no
> decent
> > > >person
> > > > > >wants to
> > > > > > > > belong to.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, mentioning the thievery practiced by our government
> officials
> > > > > >past and
> > > > > > > > present very much belongs on Gambia-L, and why?
> > > > > > > > Because this is a gathering of Gambians, and if such
> talk does not
> > > > > >belong
> > > > > > > > here, then where in heaven's name does it belong then,
> in the
> > > >closet?
> > > > > >We have
> > > > > > > > done too much of that, always trying to hush hush the
> misdeeds of
> > > > > >those who
> > > > > > > > should exercise the highest moral character because they
> are the
> > > > > >guardians of
> > > > > > > > what little assets we have,
> > > > > > > > and all that this does is to send the message that one
> can do
> > > >anything
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > get away with it. No more. If they do it, we will talk
> about it
> > > >loud
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > clear for the whole World to hear.No hard feelings
> Elhadj, and i
> > > >am
> > > > > >sure you
> > > > > > > > will agree with me because i do believe you are a man of
> ethics,
> > > >and
> > > > > >truth
> > > > > > > > can never be the equivalent of falsehood as the holy
> Qur'an tells
> > > >us.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sister Jabou Joh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 6:11:53 AM Central Standard
> Time,
> > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to say, that the truth you have mentioned
> in your
> > > >mail,
> > > > > >should
> > > > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > mentioned on the Gambia-L. Ebou Jallow is the ONLY
> THIEF who has
> > > > > >ever
> > > > > > > > > stolen the
> > > > > > > > > coffers of our country. All the rest who took our
> coffers in the
> > > > > >past 37
> > > > > > > > > years
> > > > > > > > > has borrowed what they took. We hope the so called
> truthful
> > > >G-Lers
> > > > > >will ask
> > > > > > > > > them,
> > > > > > > > > when they will pay back our money? Some are running
> their
> > > > > >progressive
> > > > > > > > > businesses,
> > > > > > > > > and others are sitting in their Mansions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Elhajj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/2001 7:57:24 PM Central
> Standard
> > > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Samba and co,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I mean it when I said Ebou is Man. To apologise
> after all he
> > > > > >siad and
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > against Jammeh and this Government, it is
> unbelievable. I
> > > >could
> > > > > >not
> > > > > > > > > beleive
> > > > > > > > > > > my eyes when I saw the original letter. At first I
> thought
> > > >it
> > > > > >was fake.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ebou Jallow has done so much damage to President
> Jammeh and
> > > >this
> > > > > > > > > Government
> > > > > > > > > > > and I do not think he will be forgivened.I think
> this is all
> > > >a
> > > > > >CIA
> > > > > > > > > plot. I
> > > > > > > > > > > have know Ebou Jallow we had a good relation and
> we still
> > > >do,
> > > > > >but I just
> > > > > > > > > > > hope he is not stupid enough to step his foot in
> this
> > > >country.
> > > > > >He will
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > tried and jailed. Even if President Jammeh
> forgives him,
> > > >others
> > > > > >would
> > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > He has done wrong to others too, not only
> President Jammeh.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He is a man. He knows what people would say about
> him and he
> > > > > >still came
> > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > in public apologising. I think Ebou is being paid
> and
> > > > > >manipulated by the
> > > > > > > > > > > CIA. I might be wrong but this is my feeling. I do
> not see
> > > > > >anything that
> > > > > > > > > > > would save Ebou Jallow from being punished for
> what he did
> > > >if he
> > > > > >comes
> > > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tombong
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But Tombong,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With all due respect, Ebou Jallow has not done
> anything that
> > > > > >Jammeh and co
> > > > > > > > > > have not done, and on a much larger scale infact.
> Seems to me
> > > >that
> > > > > >he is
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > the only one who needs to be tried and jailed, so
> this is a
> > > >case
> > > > > >of " the
> > > > > > > > > pot
> > > > > > > > > > calling the kettel black". It is a strange thing
> when
> > > >criminals
> > > > > >try to
> > > > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > > fingers at each other.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jabou Joh
> > > > > > > > > >
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