Were you in attendance in any of the countless meetings we had with 
Ousainou, Waa, OJ, Halifa, and Assan Musa Camara, and others?  So, where is 
your substance but to just vent.  Since when have I been silent about 
anything here?  I provide real life occurrences, you come here with your 
usual reactions.  You know that if I believed that Mandingoes are tribalist 
you'd heard me say it in a New York minute, before you can say beer.  That 
is not my belief, thus you will never hear me say that.  It is your type 
among the UDP that I'm addressing.  Nothing will be swept under the rug 
here.  What happened to the victory you'll promised?  The same nonsense that 
deluded you'll to huddle up in Tennessee for a victory party on the eve of 
the Kombo East by-elections is the same irrational exuberance that you 
manifested again.  What's new.  We are going to discuss you bunch.

Chi Jaama

Joe


>From: ABDOUKARIM SANNEH <[log in to unmask]>
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><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: NADD FLAG BEARER ON THE ELECTION
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:32:57 +0000
>
>Joe
>   Nobody can help you in your illusions. It is your very selves who led to 
>the break down of NADD as you were peddling tribalism. One example is Kebba 
>Foon's remark which branded all mandinka. When many were not happy with his 
>remark and condemn it you were happy in silence and keep peddling the same 
>sentiment. The break down of NADD is not tribal in any dimention. It is a 
>power struggle and most of you already have  Halifa has your choice. Any 
>coalition that is determine to unseat Yaya Jammeh's dictatorial rule should 
>be led by a leading opposition party and that is the rational many of you 
>fail to understand.
>   Time is my limiting factor and will continue during the week ends.
>
>Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>   Mo, thanks for your thoughts and I respect and regard your opinion 
>highly.
>Putting roster padding, Yai Compin effect, inducements, and intimidation
>aside, the biggest factor that lead to the results bay far is the pulling
>out of NADD by the UDP. The reason why UDP left NADD is hinged on nothing
>but tribal sentiments. They had no agenda, and were not interested in
>bringing democracy in the Gambia, but to lead Gambia, because they should
>lead Gambia. They just happened to be Mandinka dominated, but they could
>have been wolof, Fula, dominated and it would be the mindset that I will
>continue to address. There is a difference between a party led by folks
>with a tribal agenda and saying that Mandingoes are tribalist. Anyone who
>read me over the past months know that what I have been addressing is the
>former. That is the same reliance that the UDP betted on in 2001 and also
>in 2006. The fact that they failed in both contests reveals that the Fulas
>and Mandingoes they though would vote for them did not go for that, even
>though the Karamba's told us they had private understandings, and certainly
>he was not talking about the voters in Banjul or Sere-Kunda.
>
>Now, over to the US mainland where the STGDP canvassed and held weekly
>meetings with the party leaders, their representatives and the various
>political party apparatus of the various opposition parties. Over the past
>three years, STGDP had weekly phone conferences that run on average for 
>four
>hours and any that attended were given a voice and it has always been all
>inclusive. The moment Ousainou begin to give the signal that it is either
>all for him or nothing, 9 out of every 10 that supported Ousainou, began to
>change colors. While some of us were trying to reason with Ousainou to
>accept the terms of the MOU, that he agreed to, certain clusters of orgs
>that were "with NADD" begin to be vocal that Ousainou must lead not on the
>bases of the MOU, or a better Gambia, but the UDP is the biggest, which
>let's face it, the overwhelming majority of its supporters are Mandingo, 
>and
>the ignorant among them would not even bother to hide their aspirations.
>Had Ousainou agreed with the MOU, we had be having a different conversation
>today and he would have been the flagbearer and possible the winner.
>Ousainou like his handlers here in the different states, also homogeneous 
>in
>ethnicity, wanted nothing to do with the MOU that was the reason for the
>robust rise of NADD and the reason why Yaya was concerned. They could not
>present one iota of reason, even when given an opportunity to present a
>counter proposal to the NADD MOU. Rather, all they kept say is we do not
>agree with some parts of the MOU. Then comes the reasons why Ousainou left
>NADD and that was a moving target as well. Everyday a different reason is
>proposed by Ousainou, Hamat and their handlers in the US.
>
>Mo, if Ousainou were Jola, led the UDP and conducted himself the way he did
>I'd be on him the more. There are very dedicated and vocal Mandingoes that
>share the Gambia some of us are fighting for and they are called traitors 
>by
>this bunch just like my name is dirt among narrow minded Jolas that support
>Yaya just because he is Jola. My politics is way above that. Some of those
>very people I'm referring to are right here and one of them had the gull to
>attempt disrupt our meeting with distracting background noise and it took
>another that knew him that called him out by name to stop the nuisance.
>That is the same crook that comes here to stir up Mandingoes to make the
>NADD split an us against them issue.
>
>In sum, yes, there are other lesser factors that led to the failure of the
>opposition, but none did more damage than the split of the opposition by 
>the
>UDP leadership (not Mandingoes), that resulted in Gambians in the Diaspora
>throwing the towel in their financial support, which we are equally
>responsible for. On the ground, without a split of the opposition, and
>resources from us, Gambians would have supported the opposition enmass. Mo,
>I was around this same situation in 2001, thus my resolve never to allow 
>any
>to railroad us again. In the end, the same bunch managed to railroad us,
>yet again, but with the help of the silent majority. I hope this would lend
>perspective to why I am coming out to tell these people that they need to
>see Gambia and her struggle not from a tribal lens, but for the best
>interest of our nation. All of us should jealously guard our common
>interest and be ready to wage battle against any that go against it. I do
>it with Jolas, Christians, Muslims, I certainly will not spare the 
>Mandingo,
>Wolof, Fula, or Njago. If the attitude is similar, the treatment will be
>the same. I hope Mandingoes that misread me are rest assured that Joe is
>not interested in tribal anything and would never judge any based on your
>tribal origins, religious affiliation, or what you have in life. The
>sensitivity of the ethnic or religious discourse is however, never a
>constraint for me. If it is apparent in our political discourse, I shall
>address it in full. Sorry for being brief and please share your
>perspective. Together, we can achieve uncommon results.
>
>Chi Jaama
>
>Joe
>
>
> >From: Momodou S Sidibeh
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: NADD FLAG BEARER ON THE ELECTION
> >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:02:16 +0100
> >
> >Brother Joe Sambou.
> >
> >Many many thanks in bringing to our notice this important message from 
>the
> >NADD flag-bearer. Hon. Halifa Sallah raised quite a number of important
> >questions that need careful assimilation. I am sure all those who care so
> >much for Gambia will take the time needed to scrutinise his every word in
> >order to reach some conclusion that will contribute in charting a way
> >forward for all forces wanting to bring progressive change to our land.
> >
> >Certainly, I will do my own bit in that collective effort. My concern
> >however is simply that you seem to reduce the failure of the Opposition 
>to
> >unseat Jammeh partly to a lack of resources and partly to reasons of
> >"tribalism", only!
> >
> >I simply disagree, comrade.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Sidibeh
> >
> >
> >2006/11/1, Joe Sambou :
> >>
> >>Folks, I do not think that there is one Gambian that can in good
> >>conscience,
> >>have an issue with the service, dedication, and commitment of halifa
> >>Sallah
> >>to the positive uplift of Gambians. So, why did Gambians vote the way
> >>they
> >>did? Why did Gambians re-elect a murderer and a thief that has been
> >>killing
> >>and stealing from them for the past 12 years? This is not about being
> >>afraid, but rather what Gambians wanted to do for what ever 
>justification.
> >>After they voted the murderer back into office, how are the masses 
>coping
> >>with paying their kid's education? How is their health? How about their
> >>living condition? Do they have clean drinking water, etc.? The answer
> >>is,
> >>nothing has change and will change for them but to continue to live
> >>miserably for the next five years. We were reckless in what we chose,
> >>thus
> >>we shall live the outcome of our decisions. That is those on the ground,
> >>in
> >>the pit of the fire.
> >>
> >>Now, to those that are thousands of miles away, we have our own share of
> >>responsibility in this lost opportunity. First of all, Gambians watched
> >>the
> >>only organization that dedicated its time, efforts, and resources for 
>the
> >>uplift of Gambian interest, get wrestled and bogged down by dishonest 
>and
> >>incompetent self serving party organizations, mounted on tribalism and
> >>nothing else. STGDP worked for four years bringing Gambians together to
> >>form a united front against the rogue government in the Gambia; brought
> >>the
> >>four political party leaders to the table to also form a united front to
> >>challenge and defeat the APRC; Raised funds from within and among 
>Gambians
> >>and helped the predecessor of NADD and NADD to contest and win 
>elections;
> >>sponsored a radio program that gave the opposition a voice to be heard 
>by
> >>Gambians on the ground; lobbied congress men and women and the US state
> >>Department, civic orgs. and interest groups to address the Gambian
> >>situation, etc. All this, only to see a bunch of tribalist that have no
> >>agenda but to push for ethnic superiority and alliance to shatter the
> >>hopes
> >>and dreams of all Gambians, including their very selves. Those who knew
> >>better took the philosophical route under the banner of intellectualism,
> >>skirting taking on the backwardness that confront them.
> >>
> >>In the end, with the help of few other Gambians, the same STGDP members
> >>dug
> >>into their pockets to fulfill their civic responsibility to our people 
>and
> >>ourselves and give their best. However, as stated below, that was not
> >>nearly enough to fight a kleptocracy with millions of dollars. We did 
>not
> >>need to match the Kleptocracy dollar for dollar, or in percentage
> >>accumulation. All NADD needed was something as little as $100,000 or
> >>less,
> >>to be able to carry their message consistently in the last weeks before
> >>the
> >>elections. Gambians, you and I, in the diaspora, refused to support a
> >>program we all agreed is the best that ever happened to us. This is a
> >>time
> >>for all of us to reflect on our sincerity and honesty on what we want to
> >>see
> >>in our country.
> >>
> >>Now that we are seeing the result of what we allowed to happen, happen, 
>we
> >>have an opportunity to start the rebuilding process. All must be tasked
> >>to
> >>action and not speech alone. Do we want to increase the voice of the
> >>opposition in the NA? If no, then we can continue to do nothing and be
> >>fatalistic. If yes, then, are we willing to dig into our pockets to work
> >>with the opposition and increase their numbers? Can we get a commitment
> >>for
> >>each to contribute at a minimum, $100, toward our liberation? Folks, 
>that
> >>is a very small price to pay for ones liberation or empowerment. Now, we
> >>can philosophize all we want, in the end, money is needed to make this
> >>happen. Can we commit to continuing our journey towards our liberation,
> >>that is the question.
> >>
> >>Can we speak with one voice after our commitment, to hold accountable 
>any
> >>that is against our collective interest? Folks, this in simple language
> >>means that we dedicate ourselves to our national interest, and not 
>tribal,
> >>religious, or other sub interests. Leadership is very important in any
> >>struggle and so, we cannot afford to allow any that do not share the
> >>common
> >>interest to disrupt or soil our collective resolve. The is an 
>opportunity
> >>for us to rehabilitate ourselves, or a continuation of the path that 
>kept
> >>yielding us disastrous results. What say the people? I raise my hand to
> >>this challenge and more, any yeah's or nays?
> >>
> >>Chi Jaama
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>NADD FLAG BEARER ON THE ELECTION
> >>
> >>The lessons are clear. The destiny of the Gambian Republic lies
> >>in the
> >>sovereign hands of her sovereign people. In the same vein, my
> >>political weight and
> >>fate lie in their hands.
> >>Of course, it is rational to conclude that people just decided
> >>to vote for
> >>either candidate for the presidency because of their assumption
> >>that NADD
> >>cannot win and then proceed to prophecy that voters in
> >>Serrekunda Central will
> >>vote for me in the National Assembly election. I will not allow
> >>my mind to
> >>harbour such a fanciful logic.
> >>Hence if I were to be asked whether I will be a candidate in
> >>the forthcoming
> >>National Assembly elections my answer will be simple. My
> >>political fate now
> >>hangs on the balance of probabilities. It is for the people to
> >>decide. It is
> >>not for me to decide. To me representation is not a career but
> >>a duty that
> >>one is called upon to perform. Whenever the people want me to
> >>rest I will
> >>gladly do so. I have gained nothing from politics.
> >>The fact that Wuli East and Wuli West gave me second place in
> >>the election
> >>while Serrekunda Central gave me in 2006 almost 1/3 of the votes
> >>they gave me
> >>in the by elections of 2005 must not be taken lightly. I need to
> >>know how the
> >>people in Serrekunda Central rank me in terms of message,
> >>credibility,
> >>popularity or charisma and trustworthiness. I want the voters in
> >>Serrekunda
> >>Central to answer these four fundamental questions for me.
> >>During the Presidential campaign, did they find my message to
> >>be inferior to
> >>those of the other two candidates? Did they find me to be less
> >>credible than
> >>the other two candidates? Was I less charismatic or popular
> >>than them? Did I
> >>inspire less trust and confidence than them? If their answers
> >>are in the
> >>positive then I have no reason to contest National Assembly
> >>elections not to
> >>talk about future presidential elections. If their answers are
> >>in the negative
> >>then I would want to know what motivated them to vote the way
> >>they did. In
> >>short, if the good Jola is one who votes for Yahya Jammeh, the
> >>good Mandinka is
> >>one who votes for Darboe, the good Fula is one who is under the
> >>dictate of
> >>Hamat and good Manjago is one who follows Henry, then where is
> >>the place of
> >>Halifa Sallah, a detribalized human being who has long
> >>committed tribal suicide
> >>and belong to no tribe in Gambian politics. If this is how
> >>people intend to
> >>conduct politics in this country then let me be excused to
> >>build my centre for
> >>Social Science Research and civic awareness and leave the task
> >>of liberating
> >>The Gambia to the future generation.
> >>In order to interact with the electorate, I will conduct a
> >>constituency tour
> >>to listen to what people have to say regarding my role as their
> >>representative these past four years. I will start the tour on
> >>Tuesday, 31st October and
> >>continue up to Sunday. I will send people to visit voters and
> >>get their
> >>opinions. I will conduct the widest possible consultation to
> >>determine my
> >>political weight and fate as the Member of Parliament for
> >>Serrekunda Central
> >>Constituency.
> >>I hope the people in Serrekunda Central are fully aware that it
> >>is the
> >>executive, the Office of President which has mandate to make
> >>policies, prepare a
> >>budget to be approved and monitored by the National Assembly to
> >>solve the
> >>problems of the nation. It is the role of the KMC to raise funds
> >>from the rates,
> >>licences and taxes to provide good roads, public taps, street
> >>lights, proper
> >>waste collection facilities, recreational facilities, markets,
> >>community
> >>centres and so on. The duty of a National Assembly Member is to
> >>serve as a watch
> >>dog to tell the executive what it should do and inform the
> >>people whether it
> >>is being done or not. This is how they can put pressure on the
> >>executive just
> >>as I have put pressure on them regarding the terrible
> >>conditions, which
> >>existed near Sandika in Serrekunda. National Assembly members
> >>should combat bad
> >>laws and promote good laws. They should conduct civic education
> >>to educate
> >>their electorate. It is now left to them to determine the type
> >>of MP they want in
> >>January 2007. I have done the best I can. I have exposed how
> >>women still
> >>draw water from wells and queue for hours to get water from
> >>taps 500 to 1000
> >>metres away. I have exposed the poor road conditions. I have
> >>exposed the
> >>unemployment situation and the high cost of education. I have
> >>done what is not even
> >>the role of an MP, that is, to deposit half of my National
> >>Assembly income in
> >>to a fund that some borrow from to run small scale businesses
> >>or sponsor
> >>disadvantaged students. We have launched sponsorship schemes
> >>for poor students
> >>sponsored by interested persons; provide vocational training to
> >>members of the
> >>community, provide football gears to children, established a
> >>counseling
> >>service to settle land disputes, marital problems, juvenile
> >>delinquency cases,
> >>psychological problems, labour disputes. We have a library
> >>where students
> >>conduct research and seek advice to write their thesis and
> >>dissertations. There is
> >>not a week that we are not invited to present papers or give
> >>lectures to
> >>societies and schools. Most of the monies received from
> >>workshops go to finance
> >>the fees of students including the education trust fund for
> >>girls.
> >>We are consulted by NGOs, CBOs and other societies in writing
> >>their
> >>constitutions. We are also invited internationally to give
> >>lectures on the problems
> >>of the African continent. Not being an MP will not make me to
> >>stop these
> >>services. I used to provide them before being an MP and I will
> >>continue to
> >>provide them even if I cease to be an MP. Being asked to quit
> >>will provide me with
> >>more time to do research.
> >>In my view, people in developing countries often confuse the
> >>period of
> >>National liberation and the period of the Democratic Revolution.
> >>People like
> >>Marty, Castro, Nkrumah, Nasser, and Ghadaffi have played major
> >>roles in creating a
> >>sense of Nationhood, a sense of Common destiny among their
> >>people just as
> >>George Washington of the US did but was opposed to multi party
> >>system. Without
> >>people liberating and taking ownership of their countries one
> >>could not talk
> >>about building democratic societies or government for the
> >>people. Herein lies
> >>the merit of the nationalist leaders
> >>What many liberated countries have failed to do under the
> >>pretext of
> >>ideology or pragmatism is to carryout the democratic revolution
> >>to the fullest point
> >>of empowering the people to be totally in charge of their
> >>countries. Once
> >>the people of each country are in charge everywhere and
> >>governments exist only
> >>to serve them there will be national peace and world peace. The
> >>most
> >>important of all battles to be won in the 21st century is the
> >>battle of democracy.
> >>All progressive forces should strive to win this battle for the
> >>fullest
> >>empowerment of the people to push world history forward to
> >>guarantee greater
> >>liberty, dignity and prosperity for the people. This is the
> >>direction NADD wants to
> >>take the Gambia.
> >>I maintain an active political life because of my subscription
> >>to the
> >>philosophy that even though it is good to understand the world
> >>it is better to
> >>contribute towards changing it. Knowledge for its sake is
> >>sterile unless it can
> >>be translated into action to make the world a better place than
> >>we found it.
> >>Infact, my centre for social science research and civic
> >>awareness is
> >>stagnant because of the duties I had to perform as an MP and
> >>for NADD. If the people
> >>do decide that it is best for me to give way to others I would
> >>then proceed
> >>to prepare my long awaited dissertation for sociology under the
> >>title "The
> >>Language and Culture of Custom, Tradition, Religion and Rights
> >>in the Gambia."
> >>This will be very important to the way the future generation is
> >>brought up.
> >>There is a lot of conflict in society today because of lack of
> >>understanding
> >>of how socialization should take place in the 21st century.
> >>That will provide
> >>a new insight.
> >>It will show that religion is a depository of moral values and
> >>culture that
> >>should not be a source of conflict. It will shatter the myth of
> >>the clash of
> >>civilizations between the west and the east. It will give
> >>credence to certain
> >>universal values and culture that could transform the world
> >>into a universal
> >>home of people living in liberty, dignity and prosperity.
> >>In the area of International Relations I would work on the
> >>title "The
> >>Doctrine of Collective Sovereignty." This will be very
> >>relevant to solving the
> >>problems in the Middle East, Darfur and emerging conflicts on
> >>the continent.
> >>Instead of a polarized world and the creation of spheres of
> >>influence. This will
> >>show the importance of creating zones were clusters of states
> >>like Israel,
> >>Iran, Syria, Iraq, Palestine will agree on standards of how to
> >>contain each
> >>other on the basis of strategic balance of power and establish
> >>a compact
> >>monitored by the international community to maintain good
> >>neighbourliness. The
> >>doctrine of collective sovereignty could have enabled Sudan,
>
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