Pa Samba, what you are telling now is not new to me
because i am among those who funded the UDP-Yaya
Jallow trip from The Gambia to attend the ATLANTA
BUILDING BRIDGES ACROSS POLITICAL PARTIES summit.
Yes, above was the Agenda but Joe and his like have
proved themselves be young reasonable doubt that they
had a hidden agenda against UDP and that is a
civilize democratic Coup d'etat period. So hence, you
are not honest enough to tell you camp, what is
happening is bound to happen.
Definitely, it is not my wish or any genuine Gambian
for Jammeh to remain in power and continue on
terrorizing Gambians for the next 5 years or so but
the none sense going on is above the limit. I have
never responded to many criticisms label on Darboe/UDP
leadership because i believe it is their democratic
rights to criticize politicians constructively but
again it does not give any one the license to exercise
your tribalism sentiments on others.
Saihou
--- Pasamba Jow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
---------------------------------
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Joe and all,
I find this discussion quite healthy, in that the
affairs of a nation should be serious enough to
warrant this exchange. What I find completely find
perplexing is that argument that what is said here on
the net could endanger any attempt to have a complete
coalition. Any party that bases its decision on
salvaging our nation from jammeh's dictatorship on
what is said on a bantatba should not be taken
seriously.
I find the allegation that Dulo was bribed as
completely devoid of merits and therefore utterly
ludicrous. Why would OJ bribe Dulo when his nomination
could have been seconded by Waa Juwara or Landing
Jallow sonko? Why would the UDP accept Dulo Bah who
they accuse of being a lunatic and easily corruptible
(for the alleged bribery) as part of their coalition
that is geared towards ending corruption once elected
into office?
Sahou, to call the Morehouse meeting a political coup
d¨etat is the height of dishonesty. For your
information Karamba was part and parcel of this
meeting, in fact he was one of the key organizers of
the meeting. I rode with Karamba and Yahya Jallow from
Maryland to Atlanta, and after the meeting, we,
Karamba and I were very happy with outcome and
continued to work towards a united opposition until
when Ousainou left NADD.
Saihou, the reality at the end of the day is that,
what is at stake is greater than our differences, we
are talking about a country at the brink of collapse
due gross violations of fundamental rights and freedom
and rampant corruption. You and I both know that no
single party can defeat Jammeh, and the sooner we stop
this pettiness and arrogance we are doomed. Come
October we would be here talking about how the
opposition vote is more than Yahya¨s just as we
witnessed in Kombo East. We have seen the nonsense
peddled here about how the UDP was going to win, that
NADD was not even going to poll more than 200 votes,
but hey the reality is very different from what was
peddled. Because of differences, Kombo East is being
represented by an allege cattle thief and if we
continue with our arrogance Gambia would be lead for
the next five years by the same person who has
murdered our children, violated our rights with
impunity and squandered our resources.
Pasamba Jow
---------------------------------
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [>-<] BREAKING NEWS:APRC'S JUNG CONTEH
WINS KOMBO EAST BY ELECTIONS-THE OPPOSITION SHOCKED!!!
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:30:15 +0000
>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by
"Joe Sambou"
><[log in to unmask]> ]
>
>
>Yus, yes indeed, hypocrisy is fast germinating in our
midst. The
>travesty in that is decent folk keep silent or ignore
the truth in
>the face of this hypocrisy. At a time when our
situation is dire,
>one would think that all must fight to liberate us,
we have folks
>decide to be spectators for fear of how they will be
viewed by their
>friends, relatives, etc.
>
>I am baffled to see a Gambian murdered in cold blood
by this regime
>and you see their relatives, friends, etc. keep mum,
with few voices
>of protest? There is something fundamentally wrong
with that
>picture. Look at the recent scheme to traumatize our
population,
>only for Gambians to flood the streets to yet again
hear Yaya abuse
>their sensibilities. Who does Gambians think is
going to liberate
>them as Yaya choke the living out of us, and with
selfish subgroups
>that are there to just serve themselves? If one is
so blinded by
>group loyalty at the expense of escaping a murderer,
then we are in
>deep trouble. I am going to call out ugliness where
ever I
>encounter it and if I am hated for it, guess what, it
never stops
>the sun from rising and setting. I sleep sound and
do not worry
>about what others perceive of me. I am glad that
there are those
>that will speak up and do not be drowned by any. I
was born free
>and will die free and folks can take that to the
bank. The struggle
>continues.
>
>Chi Jaama
>
>Joe
>
>
>>From: "Yusupha Jow" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [>-<] BREAKING NEWS:APRC'S JUNG CONTEH
WINS KOMBO EAST
>>BY ELECTIONS-THE OPPOSITION SHOCKED!!!
>>Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:10:16 -0700
>>
>>Joe:
>>If you don't realize by now, our society has waaay
too many
>>self-righteous
>>folks who are quick to stereotype people. Me thinks
the greater
>>symptom is
>>hypocrisy.
>>
>>Yes, we have a lot of decent folks but a fair share
of hypocrites.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Yusupha
>>
>>
>>On 5/18/06, Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering
by "Joe Sambou"
>>><
>>>[log in to unmask]> ]
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh, go to hell with that. Why do you think I speak
clearly and
>>>openly? I
>>>told you'll that this is not 2001 and Gambians are
in no mood for
>>>games
>>>and
>>>you think folks were just joking. When diplomacy
does not work
>>>with your
>>>type, all is game. Do you see me beg you or
anyone. What did
>>>Gambians
>>>entrust me with? None control my stake as a
citizen and any of
>>>the
>>>opposition leaders goof off, they will hear from
me, and idiots
>>>like you
>>>can
>>>just follow for what you can get. I am not a
spectator in this
>>>and just
>>>because someone decided to run for office gives
them no more
>>>weight that
>>>any.
>>>
>>>Boy, just because you belong to a party does not
make you know
>>>jack about
>>>politics. Even Yaya can score on that point. What
you call
>>>politice is
>>>scheming Mballow. Let me take you to task here
while your
>>>grandstand. What
>>>has Mballow/UDP done or is doing to reconcile with
any? Folks,
>>>nothing.
>>>While they foam about coming together, they are
lying in other
>>>circles.
>>>Where do you folks think that vote buying by OJ
camp scheme came
>>>from? You
>>>guessed right, the very folks that double speak.
It is the
>>>citizens that
>>>are going to dictate this trend and not no one
person or group, so
>>>you
>>>better recognize.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: saihou Mballow <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>> >To: gambia post <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >Subject: Re: [>-<] BREAKING NEWS:APRC'S JUNG
CONTEH WINS KOMBO
>>>EAST BY
>>> >ELECTIONS-THE OPPOSITION SHOCKED!!!
>>> >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> >
>>> >[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post
e-Gathering by saihou
>>>Mballow
>>> ><[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Joe, upon reading your writings, i am finally
>>> >convinced that it was more than reasonable and
>>> >justifiable for the UDP and NRP to do what they
did
>>> >that is for them to go back to their respectable
>>> >parties wait for credible people to conduct a
fair
>>> >dialogue between them.
>>> >
>>> >How on earth can Gambian opposition allow an
>>> >irresponsible and arrogant person like you who
does
>>> >know from left to right in Gambian politics be
the
>>> >organizer or adviser or be the driving force of a
>>> >coalition. What a shame!, no doubt the whole
mechanism
>>> >collapse.
>>> >
>>> >It was certainly an eye opener for the opposition
to
>>> >watch the people to entrust negotiations and
unifying
>>> >the community.
>>> >
>>> >Saihou
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-- Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Sahou, thanks for your thoughts. I have no
need to
>>> > > be coaxing any Gambian
>>> > > to do the right thing for it is a futile
exercise.
>>> > > Folks are going to do
>>> > > what they want to do regardless of the impact
to the
>>> > > collective, and you
>>> > > folks have continuously demonstrated that over
the
>>> > > past seven years. What I
>>> > > can assure you is I bow to no human and no
group is
>>> > > bigger than Gambia and I
>>> > > shall tell it like it is because I expect no
favor
>>> > > and fear none. By now
>>> > > you must have realized that I care less if you
or
>>> > > anyone listen as long as I
>>> > > am not here peddling lies and treachery.
Folks see
>>> > > through your kind Sahou
>>> > > and they come and go.
>>> > >
>>> > > Chi Jaama
>>> > >
>>> > > Joe
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >From: saihou Mballow <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues
mailing
>>> > > list
>>> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>>> > > >Subject: Re: [>-<] BREAKING NEWS:APRC'S JUNG
CONTEH
>>> > > WINS KOMBO EAST BY
>>> > > >ELECTIONS-THE OPPOSITION SHOCKED!!!
>>> > > >Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:59:46 -0700
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Kebba Foon, you and Joe Sambou should be the
last
>>> > > >persons to call on the UDP/NRP parties for
>>> > > anything.
>>> > > >This is so because you manifested your anti
Darboe
>>> > > >here in this very forum.
>>> > > >I doubt if any serious person will listen to
you.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Saihou
>>> > > >
>>> > > >--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post
>>> > > e-Gathering
>>> > > > > by <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Joe,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thanks, you speak for me. UDP should come
back
>>> > > to
>>> > > > > NADD for the interest and wishes of
Gambians. I
>>> > > > > also urge NADD to continue to leave the
door
>>> > > open.
>>> > > > > Ousianou Daboe Gambia is bigger than you,
you
>>> > > will
>>> > > > > be responsible come October, Jammeh return
to
>>> > > > > statehouse.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Kebba Foon
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > > > > > Date: 2006/05/17 Wed PM 02:54:35 EDT
>>> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask],
>>> > > > > [log in to unmask]
>>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [>-<] BREAKING NEWS:APRC'S
JUNG
>>> > > > > CONTEH WINS KOMBO EAST BY ELECTIONS-THE
>>> > > > > > OPPOSITION SHOCKED!!!
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post
>>> > > e-Gathering
>>> > > > > by "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Well, now that the dust has settled, I
hope
>>> > > > > Gambians can decide whether they
>>> > > > > > want a united opposition, or to be
blinded by
>>> > > > > greed. This election was not
>>> > > > > > won by the APRC, but rather, it was
Greed that
>>> > > > > handed it to the APRC in a
>>> > > > > > silver platter, which none here can say
they
>>> > > did
>>> > > > > not see coming. Up to,
>>> > > > > > Saturday, we have seen the UDP
supporters
>>> > > swear to
>>> > > > > the heavens that this is
>>> > > > > > a take home for them, and were even
cajoling
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > making preparations for a
>>> > > > > > victory round. Reminiscent of the 2001
>>> > > elections
>>> > > > > when they calculated
>>> > > > > > wrong, and it is deja vous all over
again.
>>> > > They
>>> > > > > indeed calculated wrong
>>> > > > > > again. Why is it that this group can
never
>>> > > see or
>>> > > > > participate in anything
>>> > > > > > that involves the collective? NADD
>>> > > (collective)
>>> > > > > was and is still the hope
>>> > > > > > of Gambians to liberate themselves.
None here
>>> > > can
>>> > > > > contest that the strength
>>> > > > > > in NADD as a collective was equaled to
any two
>>> > > or
>>> > > > > three parties and NADD has
>>> > > > > > won more elections in their young life
over
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > APRC, and would have won
>>> > > > > > this election too. By NADD, we are not
>>> > > talking
>>> > > > > about a personality but a
>>> > > > > > collective. It was the collective that
was
>>> > > going
>>> > > > > to win not the UDP, NDAM,
>>> > > > > > PPP, NRP, or PDOIS, just like when
Kemeseng,
>>> > > > > Halifa, and Sidia won, not once
>>> > > > > > but twice. But, since this group is
convinced
>>> > > > > that they are the center of
>>> > > > > > the universe for Gambia, they can never
see a
>>> > > > > group victory but an
>>> > > > > > individual victory.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > If the UDP is so strong in every part of
the
>>> > > > > country, why did they not win?
>>> > > > > > Let's look at the breakdown, shall we.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > APRC 3365 votes; UDP 2814 of the votes,
and
>>> > > NADD
>>> > > > > 1109 votes (these numbers
>>> > > > > > may have been revised since, but it
still
>>> > > remains
>>> > > > > that the APRC candidate
>>> > > > > > won). What happened with this picture?
For
>>> > > sure,
>>> > > > > the people voted their
>>> > > > > > wishes, no matter how we slice it. That
is
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > painful nature of democracy
>>> > > > > > and we cannot criticize them for voting
the
>>> > > way
>>> > > > > they did, for that would
>>> > > > > > equal to a revocation of their
constitutional
>>> > > > > right. Yes, I would have
>>> > > > > > loved for them to not vote for the APRC,
but I
>>> > > > > have to accept their wishes,
>>> > > > > > and they will live with their choice,
good or
>>> > > bad.
>>> > > > > We also know that this
>>> > > > > > was an APRC stronghold and the reason
why they
>>> > > > > scored high.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Fact, the combined votes for UDP and
NADD
>>> > > would
>>> > > > > have defeated the APRC
>>> > > > > > candidate, if UDP was still part of
NADD,
>>> > > please
>>> > > > > read me well.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > For those that say NADD was a spoiler,
the
>>> > > > > reasoning is very flawed for the
>>> > > > > > UDP created a need for a three way race
(by
>>> > > > > separating from NADD), thus, you
>>> > > > > > cannot after your loss say if only we
had the
>>> > > NADD
>>> > > > > votes. By extension, you
>>> > > > > > could also say if only we took a
fraction or
>>> > > all
>>> > > > > of the votes from the APRC
>>> > > > > > if their candidate was weaker, etc. If
NADD
>>> > > was
>>> > > > > not in this contest, you
>>> > > > > > cannot also surmise that, therefore, the
1109
>>> > > NADD
>>> > > > > votes would by default
>>> > > > > > have all gone to the the UDP? It would
be a
>>> > > wild
>>> > > > > leap indeed.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > If the UDP candidate ran and won under a
NADD
>>> > > > > banner, the UDP would also be
>>> > > > > > a winner. Then, why is it that the UDP
has a
>>> > > need
>>> > > > > for their name to be
>>> > > > > > prominent in Gambian politics, even if
it
>>> > > means
>>> > > > > that they loose in the
>>> > > > > > process? If the plight of Gambians
comes
>>> > > first,
>>> > > > > why do they have an ulcer
>>> > > > > > to run under any other name, like NDAM,
PPP,
>>> > > or
>>> > > > > PRDOIS? Gambians asked all
>>> > > > > > the opposition to COME TOGETHER, not
come and
>>> > > help
>>> > > > > UDP, for UDP is not
>>> > > > > > synonymous to Gambian Opposition? If
UDP
>>> > > could
>>> > >
>>> >=== message truncated ===
>>> >
>>> >
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