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The situation remains fluid. Some security and precautionary measures are
being taken by individual institutions, including schools, by letting off
their employees and students early. A curfew tonight is eminent, according
to sources, as the elections results are being "prepared" for release at
some point in time, hopefully before the end of the day, Tuesday 24th
October, 2000
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ABIDJAN, Oct 24 (AFP) - Ivory Coast election officials on Tuesday failed
to
resume publication of presidential election results as promised at 11:00
a.m.
(1100 GMT).
However officials at the National Electoral Commission were preparing the
television studio from which the results from the election Sunday are to be
broadcast, an AFP correspondent said.
The release of the results was postponed late Monday, fuelling fears that
General Robert Guei's military regime was trying to rig the figures.
The delay triggered protests by supporters of his opponent Laurent
Gbagbo,
who claims to have captured 61 percent of the vote. The protests were
violently quelled by soldiers and gendarmes.
Early results released Monday showed that Gbagbo had captured 51 percent
of
the votes against 40 percent for Guei. But the figures were based on only
eight percent of the ballots cast.
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Stay safe Mr. Sanneh. Our prayers are with you and some of the finest
Gambians currently working in Ivory Coast (Dr. Jah being the latest to join
you). We wish you and your families well. This Knuckle-head (Guie) will not
be satisfied unless he brings turmoil to a once peaceful and prosperous
country. God save us from such power hungry thugs.
KB
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>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:00:08 GMT
>
>The situation remains fluid. Some security and precautionary measures are
>being taken by individual institutions, including schools, by letting off
>their employees and students early. A curfew tonight is eminent, according
>to sources, as the elections results are being "prepared" for release at
>some point in time, hopefully before the end of the day, Tuesday 24th
>October, 2000
>************************************************************************
>
>
> ABIDJAN, Oct 24 (AFP) - Ivory Coast election officials on Tuesday failed
>to
>resume publication of presidential election results as promised at 11:00
>a.m.
>(1100 GMT).
> However officials at the National Electoral Commission were preparing
>the
>television studio from which the results from the election Sunday are to be
>broadcast, an AFP correspondent said.
> The release of the results was postponed late Monday, fuelling fears
>that
>General Robert Guei's military regime was trying to rig the figures.
> The delay triggered protests by supporters of his opponent Laurent
>Gbagbo,
>who claims to have captured 61 percent of the vote. The protests were
>violently quelled by soldiers and gendarmes.
> Early results released Monday showed that Gbagbo had captured 51 percent
>of
>the votes against 40 percent for Guei. But the figures were based on only
>eight percent of the ballots cast.
> so/crl/gd
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Prince,
I can't afford to say much, but let me just say that you haven't
disappointed me. I hope your sequel will be longer and more indepth. That
would be truly appreciated, even if some of us will read it half asleep.
Thanks, and Good Morning!
Saul.
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>As hounds, and greyhounds, mongrels, spaniels curs,
>shoughs, water-rugs and demi-wolves are clept
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The local BBC FM station has just announced that the Interior Minister has
declared General Guei the winner of the presidential elections. Another
press release from Agence France Presse below is stating that General Guie
had asked the Supreme to cancel Sunday's presidential election. The
situation is now extremely delicate and down right confusing. As I write
this note, soldiers are reported to be moving towards Bengerville. I will
now try to make it home while the roads to appear passable. KB, Thank you
and to all those who have expressed concern about the safety of Gambian
staff and their families. I must go now.
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ABIDJAN, Oct 24 (AFP) - The head of Ivory Coast's electoral commission
was
Tuesday summoned by military ruler General Robert Guei but resisted as men
in
civilian dress tried to force him to go with them, an AFP correspondent at
the
scene said.
Electoral officials who wanted to accompany commission president Honore
Guie were trying to prevent him from being taken away.
Earlier French Cooperation Minister Charles Josselin said Guei had asked
the Supreme Court to cancel Sunday's presidential election.
so/crl/jlr
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Subject: Some Gambians are really above the law!
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Just read an update on the recent drug bursts
involving Awa Loum Faal and another one involving
Wakka Jagne. For a moment I thought at least someone
is working under Yaya's Government. The drug squad
had made a considerable success in nabbing big drug
traffickers but my concern is that how come these
people never get punished?
I dont have anything against anybody but I just feel
some people are really above the law in Gambia. Visit
Mile 2 or Jeshwang prisons and all the inmates are
either petty thieves "tafu-kat" who maybe tried to get
away with something to feed their families,
youngesters caught smoking "jamba", cattle theft and
lots of other minor offences. I am not saying they
should go unpunished but I believe if they are
everybody else should.
I have come to the conclusion that if you want to
commit a crime in Gambia, first make sure you are well
known and make it BIG. Dont steal small items or do
petty drug deals. Make it so big the serious crime
unit is involved. Then and only then will you gain
their respect and you will go scot free because for
starters they want to set up an enquiry which never
yields results. It is not unusal to hear that so and
so is being investigated for fraud involving millions
of dalasis stolen from their departments but I am yet
to hear that they've been sentenced or that they are
serving time.
Gambia's problems are far from over and until we learn
to treat all our people as the same our troubles will
be with us for a while.
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My dear brother Sidi,
Thanks for the update . I am not surprised at the results . What did you expect?
Please be careful and try to keep a low profile. Foreigners are always scapegoats in cases like this
(remember what happened just a couple of weeks ago)
Hope your family is taking this turmoil with patience .
we are praying for you all
Habib
Sidi M Sanneh wrote:
> The local BBC FM station has just announced that the Interior Minister has
> declared General Guei the winner of the presidential elections. Another
> press release from Agence France Presse below is stating that General Guie
> had asked the Supreme to cancel Sunday's presidential election. The
> situation is now extremely delicate and down right confusing. As I write
> this note, soldiers are reported to be moving towards Bengerville. I will
> now try to make it home while the roads to appear passable. KB, Thank you
> and to all those who have expressed concern about the safety of Gambian
> staff and their families. I must go now.
> ************************************************************************
>
> ABIDJAN, Oct 24 (AFP) - The head of Ivory Coast's electoral commission
> was
> Tuesday summoned by military ruler General Robert Guei but resisted as men
> in
> civilian dress tried to force him to go with them, an AFP correspondent at
> the
> scene said.
> Electoral officials who wanted to accompany commission president Honore
> Guie were trying to prevent him from being taken away.
> Earlier French Cooperation Minister Charles Josselin said Guei had asked
> the Supreme Court to cancel Sunday's presidential election.
> so/crl/jlr
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FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
OCTOBER 24, 11:21 EDT
Junta Leader Says He Won Election
By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS
Associated Press Writer
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast (AP) — Junta leader Gen. Robert Guei dissolved the
commission
overseeing Ivory Coast's presidential elections and declared himself
the winner, a senior
Interior Ministry official said Tuesday.
Daniel Bamba Sheik, director-general of the Interior Ministry's
territorial administration
department, said Guei took 52.72 percent of Sunday's vote compared with
41.02 for
opposition leader Laurent Gbagbo.
Gbagbo's party had earlier claimed the opposition leader had won, and
his aides said party
supporters planned to march in protest later Tuesday through Abidjan,
the commercial
capital.
Sunday's vote was to decide the future of this West African country,
which saw its
reputation as a bastion of regional calm destroyed in the December coup
d'etat that brought
Guei to power.
Bamba Sheik blamed massive fraud and the incompetence of electoral
officials for the decision
to disband the commission overseeing the vote.
He accused several parties, including Gbagbo's Ivorian Popular Front,
of busing voters from
Abidjan to villages in the interior in order to vote twice.
Bamba Sheik claimed only 3.6 million voters had been registered for the
vote, down from the
5.5 million announced by the commission before the ballot. Some 153,000
votes were nullified,
he added.
Electoral commission officials were not immediately available for
comment and those seen
earlier in the day were escorted by armed security personnel and not
allowed to talk to
journalists.
Following Tuesday's announcement, the streets of downtown Abidjan were
virtually empty
except for security personnel wearing riot gear.
The vote was controversial from the beginning. The nation's two largest
political parties
boycotted the ballot after their leaders were barred from running by
the Supreme Court.
Gbagbo was the only political heavyweight allowed to run against the
junta leader.
Preliminary results released around midday Monday — reflecting just a
fraction of the vote —
showed Gbagbo with an edge over Guei. Since then, however, vote
counting appeared to
have stopped, European Union officials said, speaking on condition of
anonymity.
Before counting was interrupted, Gbagbo had 51.35 percent of the
126,683 ballots counted,
compared to 40.40 percent for Guei, national electoral commission
president Honore Guie said
Monday.
Gbagbo's party claimed its own count showed it leading with 61 percent
to 25 percent for
Guei with 1.1 million votes counted.
A representative of Gbagbo's party had earlier asked Guei to accept
defeat.
``In developed countries, the loser recognizes his defeat ... even when
the official results
are not completely available,'' said Gbagbo's campaign manager, Afi
Nguessan.
In an interview broadcast on Europe 1 radio, Gbagbo urged Guei to
``hand over power'' and
said army soldiers were also advising the military ruler to do so.
However, some soldiers said Guei had given unspecified orders to troops
late Monday to
``calm the population.''
On Monday, soldiers deployed throughout Abidjan after groups of
jubilant Gbagbo (pronounced
BAHG-bo) supporters paraded through the streets in parts of Abidjan and
other cities.
Soldiers used tear gas to break up a rally of Gbagbo demonstrators.
A senior junta member, Communications Minister Henri Cesar Sama, warned
Gbagbo's
supporters to cease their celebrations, calling the jubilation
``premature.''
The United Nations, the Organization of African Unity, the European
Union and countries such
as the United States and Canada withdrew election observers or funding,
saying the exclusion
of major opponents made a free and fair election impossible.
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FROM THE AP ROOM
OCTOBER 24, 09:33 EDT
Ruling Confirms Indian Man Is Alive
By RUPAN BHATTACHARYA
Associated Press Writer
LUCKNOW, India (AP) — Lal Behari threw leaflets into the state
legislature, ran in parliamentary elections, staged a kidnapping and
got himself arrested — all to prove he was, in fact, alive.
For 18 years, Behari battled the courts, government, and his
relatives to show he was not dead. But government authorities
would not take his physical presence as evidence enough.
While fighting his case, Behari found at least 100 other people in
the region were in the same predicament. He established the
``Uttar Pradesh Association of the Dead'' in 1980, and the group
appealed to the Allahabad High Court and the National Human
Rights Commission for help.
Behari was declared officially alive by the district magistrate of
his
hometown, Azamgarh, in 1994. ``It took nearly two decades to
make the authorities accept that he was in fact alive and that his
land could not be taken away, treating him as dead,'' the Human
Rights Commission said in a report on Behari's case.
Sixteen other cases were redressed by state authorities acting
under the court's order. But several dozen people are still fighting
to prove they are alive.
The problem usually arises in property disputes, when relatives or
others connive with local officials to alter records, declaring that
a
property owner is dead. Widows have traditionally been victimized
by their husbands' families in such cases. Under India's ponderous
bureaucracy it can take years, and lots of money, to get the
records corrected.
Until 1975, Behari ran a thriving business selling silk saris, the
traditional attire of Indian women. But a year later, a family
dispute
erupted over property and Behari discovered that he had been
pronounced dead in official records. His cousin had arranged with
officials to alter land revenue documents showing Behari had died,
and the cousin had inherited the family property.
All efforts to correct the wrong failed.
``I even kidnapped my own cousin, asked my wife to claim the
widow allowance, threw leaflets into the Uttar Pradesh assembly
on Sept. 9, 1986. Even though I was arrested, the revenue
records remained the same,'' he said in an interview.
Once his land was restored, however, Behari said he gave it back
to the cousin.
``It was a slap in the face,'' Behari said. ``I did not fight for
land
but against the system. Through the association I am fighting for a
common cause and the fight goes on.''
Paltan Yadav, whose relatives forged revenue records to declare
him dead, was carried through town last year by four other
members of the association in a mock funeral procession. At
intervals, Yadav would rise up and shout ``Save me. I'm alive.''
A banner blaming the land revenue department hung next to
Yadav's bier. Behari says the plan worked, and local officials were
embarrassed into correcting Yadav's records.
Many of those who manage to have themselves declared alive still
must fight to regain physical control of their property.
Computerizing land records would stop local officials from falsifying
documents in small towns, said Punkaj Agarwal, the senior official
in the state's Department of Electronics. He said the process had
begun and would extend to the entire state — ``which will stop all
this nuisance.''
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Thanks Sidi for keeping us posted with events around ABIDJAN. Hope you are
safe with your family.
Bye, dea.
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Subject: FWD:Violence after Ivorian electoral stand-off
Soldiers in Ivory Coast are using live ammunition to break up protests after
military ruler General Robert Guei and his main political opponent Laurent
Gbagbo both declared themselves winner of Sunday's presidential elections.
The military administration announced that General Guei had won the poll and the
electoral commission had been dissolved - the few results that it had announced
put Mr Gbagbo in the lead.
Shortly afterwards Mr Gbagbo declared himself the true winner and called on his
followers to take the streets.
The security forces have been firing into the air and using tear gas and batons
to try to disperse Mr Gbagbo's supporters.
Protesters remove all trace of General Guei in their path
France - the former colonial power - has warned the military authorities
against ignoring the electorate's wishes.
General Guei came to power in a coup in December last year. He recently promised
to respect the result of the election, which his main opponent - Alassane
Ouattara - was banned from taking part in.
Violence
Gunfire could be heard from several quarters of the commercial capital, Abidjan,
and columns of smoke rose in the air.
A BBC reporter, Charles Bambara, outside state television headquarters said
members of General Guei's military guard used automatic weapons, tear gas and
truncheons in an effort to disperse hundreds of Mr Gbagbo's supporters.
A minister made the announcement but the army calls the shots
He said soldiers also fired in the air over demonstrators marching towards
General Guei's residence and the atmosphere in the centre of the city was
extremely tense.
Another BBC reporter, Funmi Kuo, described a column of thousands of people
marching from the suburbs down one of Abidjan's main highways towards the
presidential palace.
She said the demonstrators, young and old, had coloured their faces with ashes
or chalk and were tearing down all General Guei's election posters.
Guei promised to honour election results
Members of the security forces opened fire on the column and there are
unconfirmed reports of injuries amongst the demonstrators.
There are unconfirmed reports of violent demonstrations in towns in central
Ivory Coast, Mr Gbagbo's heartland, and other provincial towns.
standoff
On Tuesday afternoon the interior ministry said General Guei had been elected
after gaining nearly 53% of the vote, beating Mr Gbagbo's 41%, and also
announced the dissolution of the electoral commission.
A court ruling forbade Alassane Ouattara from standing
General Guei thanked "the great people of Ivory Coast" for voting him in as he
declared his "modest person the first president of the second republic."
Meanwhile Mr Gbagbo declared himself head of state, announced he was dissolving
the military-led transitional government and called on his supporters to take to
the streets.
Earlier his campaign headquarters announced they calculated Mr Gbagbo had won
almost 60% of the vote compared to General Guei's 33%.
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Subject: FWD:IEC in Court Over Local Government Legislation
The Point </publishers.html?passed_name=The%20Point&passed_location=Banjul>
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October 23, 2000
Banjul
Judicial sources have disclosed that the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC)
has filed a motion at the Supreme Court of the Gambia for the expeditious
enactment of legislation for the conduct of the Local Government elections.
Our sources disclosed that IEC is seeking the Supreme Court's declaration that
the enactment of the Local Government Legislation prescribed under section
56(1), 58, 59 and 194 of the 1997 constitution is a condition precedent for the
Alkalo, District Chiefs, Mayors and Council Chairmanship.
It was a further revealed that the IEC is also seeking an order from the Supreme
Court Act 1999 and section 129(1) of the 1997 constitution to direct the
Attorney General, Secretary of State for Local Government and the Speaker of the
National Assembly to make appropriate arrangement for the expeditious enactment
of legislation for the conduct of the Local Government elections.
An official at the Supreme Court confirmed the story, but declined to comment on
the details of the motion. When asked when the motion was filed, the official
disclosed that several applications have been filed, but said the motion on the
Local Government Legislation act was filed on 12th October, 2000. Further
questioned whether the motion was already heard, the official refused to
comment. "You know I am warned not to talk to the press," the official remarked.
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Subject: FWD:Injured Students Return From Egypt
Injured Students Return From Egypt
Daily Observer (Banjul)
October 24, 2000
Banjul
Three Gambian students who were shot and wounded during the bloody April 10-11
students demonstration and were flown to Egypt for further medical treatment
have returned to Banjul.
The three, Yusupha Mbye, Assan Suwareh and Sainey Senghore, arrived in Banjul,
September 2.
Yusupha Mbye of Pipeline Comprehensive Senior Secondary School and Assan Suwareh
of Banjul Academy are presently hospitalised at Dr Ahmed Tejan Kabbah private
block, RVH. Sainey Suwareh, a grade 10 student of Essau Senior Secondary School
could not be reached.
Speaking to our reporter, Yusupha Mbye, a grade 10 student, said they were
responding well to treatment.
Speaking from his hospital bed, Mr. Mbye, who turns 18, this Sunday, October 29,
praised the Egyptian doctors. However, he said, "I really need further medical
treatment abroad."
Contacted yesterday for comment on the conditions of the three students, Kebba
Badjie, RVH deputy chief executive, referred our reporter to the chief executive
Dr Mariatou Jallow who could not be reached.
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A robber is a robber is a robber. Who is surprised by cote'ivoire
post ivory war!
May the innocent be spared.
Karl
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>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:06:30 -0700
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>fyi
>
>FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
>
>
> OCTOBER 24, 11:21 EDT
>
> Junta Leader Says He Won Election
>
> By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS
> Associated Press Writer
>
> ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast (AP) — Junta leader Gen. Robert Guei dissolved the
>commission
> overseeing Ivory Coast's presidential elections and declared himself
>the winner, a senior
> Interior Ministry official said Tuesday.
>
> Daniel Bamba Sheik, director-general of the Interior Ministry's
>territorial administration
> department, said Guei took 52.72 percent of Sunday's vote compared with
>41.02 for
> opposition leader Laurent Gbagbo.
>
> Gbagbo's party had earlier claimed the opposition leader had won, and
>his aides said party
> supporters planned to march in protest later Tuesday through Abidjan,
>the commercial
> capital.
>
> Sunday's vote was to decide the future of this West African country,
>which saw its
> reputation as a bastion of regional calm destroyed in the December coup
>d'etat that brought
> Guei to power.
>
> Bamba Sheik blamed massive fraud and the incompetence of electoral
>officials for the decision
> to disband the commission overseeing the vote.
>
> He accused several parties, including Gbagbo's Ivorian Popular Front,
>of busing voters from
> Abidjan to villages in the interior in order to vote twice.
>
> Bamba Sheik claimed only 3.6 million voters had been registered for the
>vote, down from the
> 5.5 million announced by the commission before the ballot. Some 153,000
>votes were nullified,
> he added.
>
> Electoral commission officials were not immediately available for
>comment and those seen
> earlier in the day were escorted by armed security personnel and not
>allowed to talk to
> journalists.
>
> Following Tuesday's announcement, the streets of downtown Abidjan were
>virtually empty
> except for security personnel wearing riot gear.
>
> The vote was controversial from the beginning. The nation's two largest
>political parties
> boycotted the ballot after their leaders were barred from running by
>the Supreme Court.
> Gbagbo was the only political heavyweight allowed to run against the
>junta leader.
>
> Preliminary results released around midday Monday — reflecting just a
>fraction of the vote —
> showed Gbagbo with an edge over Guei. Since then, however, vote
>counting appeared to
> have stopped, European Union officials said, speaking on condition of
>anonymity.
>
> Before counting was interrupted, Gbagbo had 51.35 percent of the
>126,683 ballots counted,
> compared to 40.40 percent for Guei, national electoral commission
>president Honore Guie said
> Monday.
>
> Gbagbo's party claimed its own count showed it leading with 61 percent
>to 25 percent for
> Guei with 1.1 million votes counted.
>
> A representative of Gbagbo's party had earlier asked Guei to accept
>defeat.
>
> ``In developed countries, the loser recognizes his defeat ... even when
>the official results
> are not completely available,'' said Gbagbo's campaign manager, Afi
>Nguessan.
>
> In an interview broadcast on Europe 1 radio, Gbagbo urged Guei to
>``hand over power'' and
> said army soldiers were also advising the military ruler to do so.
>
> However, some soldiers said Guei had given unspecified orders to troops
>late Monday to
> ``calm the population.''
>
> On Monday, soldiers deployed throughout Abidjan after groups of
>jubilant Gbagbo (pronounced
> BAHG-bo) supporters paraded through the streets in parts of Abidjan and
>other cities.
> Soldiers used tear gas to break up a rally of Gbagbo demonstrators.
>
> A senior junta member, Communications Minister Henri Cesar Sama, warned
>Gbagbo's
> supporters to cease their celebrations, calling the jubilation
>``premature.''
>
> The United Nations, the Organization of African Unity, the European
>Union and countries such
> as the United States and Canada withdrew election observers or funding,
>saying the exclusion
> of major opponents made a free and fair election impossible.
>
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well said i was thinking the exact same thing... i think it is really sad
that people get away with major crimes like that and less fortunate people
are serving jail big time for petty crimes. the saddest thing about this
all is that women are now involved in drug trafficking back home...it is so
embarrasing.
mini
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>Just read an update on the recent drug bursts
>involving Awa Loum Faal and another one involving
>Wakka Jagne. For a moment I thought at least someone
>is working under Yaya's Government. The drug squad
>had made a considerable success in nabbing big drug
>traffickers but my concern is that how come these
>people never get punished?
>
>I dont have anything against anybody but I just feel
>some people are really above the law in Gambia. Visit
>Mile 2 or Jeshwang prisons and all the inmates are
>either petty thieves "tafu-kat" who maybe tried to get
>away with something to feed their families,
>youngesters caught smoking "jamba", cattle theft and
>lots of other minor offences. I am not saying they
>should go unpunished but I believe if they are
>everybody else should.
>
>I have come to the conclusion that if you want to
>commit a crime in Gambia, first make sure you are well
>known and make it BIG. Dont steal small items or do
>petty drug deals. Make it so big the serious crime
>unit is involved. Then and only then will you gain
>their respect and you will go scot free because for
>starters they want to set up an enquiry which never
>yields results. It is not unusal to hear that so and
>so is being investigated for fraud involving millions
>of dalasis stolen from their departments but I am yet
>to hear that they've been sentenced or that they are
>serving time.
>
>Gambia's problems are far from over and until we learn
>to treat all our people as the same our troubles will
>be with us for a while.
>
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Hi Sidi,
As Habib already said, what else is new. Please be careful, and I hope that
all of you guys are OK.
Jabou
In a message dated 10/24/00 10:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<< The local BBC FM station has just announced that the Interior Minister has
declared General Guei the winner of the presidential elections. Another
press release from Agence France Presse below is stating that General Guie
had asked the Supreme to cancel Sunday's presidential election. The
situation is now extremely delicate and down right confusing. As I write
this note, soldiers are reported to be moving towards Bengerville. I will
now try to make it home while the roads to appear passable. KB, Thank you
and to all those who have expressed concern about the safety of Gambian
staff and their families. I must go now.
************************************************************************
ABIDJAN, Oct 24 (AFP) - The head of Ivory Coast's electoral commission
was
Tuesday summoned by military ruler General Robert Guei but res >>
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Sidi,
Our prayers are with all of you for your safety ..
Regards
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Dreamland of "One Africa" Betrayed
The Perspective (Smyrna, Georgia)
OPINION
October 23, 2000=20
Tom Kamara
Tripoli=20
After all the fanfare and hullabaloo of blending
chaotic Africa into the dreamy United States of
Africa most likely under Col. Muammar Gaddafi's
command, reality has overcome fantasy.
Thousands of Africans living in this farcical "Mecca"
of African brotherhood have found themselves under
siege, with hundreds butchered in the wilderness of
xenophobia. "Some injured ones are in hospitals.
Hundreds were burned and killed and are now in
morgues," according to The Guardian' of Lagos
quoting one returnee. Despite the facts, Libya
initially denied the pogroms, with a foreign ministry
spokesman dismissing them as a "dispute between
Africans about a problem of morals and no Libyans
were involved in any sort of way."
The Libyan lynching and exodus was bound to
happen. Hundreds of Africans, escaping from
collapsed economies, war and famine, storm North
Africa periodically in search of a passage to
"Paradise" Europe. Many have been killed as
human cargo. "They brought us to Europe as
slaves", said one young refugee aimlessly
wandering the streets of Holland with slim chances
of fulfilling his dream for better life. "But now, we pay
to come here. It is not easy."
However, on a more positive side of the tragedy, the
killings may cause a switch from illusion to
pragmatism. Africans will have to minimize
migration by concentrating on creating economic
opportunities in their individual countries, improving
the lives of their people, establishing stable
Governments around human rights and transparency
as the principal guarantors of self-respect and
progress. A union of poor and the rich has its
numerous problems. One will be the master while
the other remains a servant condemned to
servitude. This is why the European Union has not
allowed poor nations with unenviable human rights
records into the fold, fearing that the rich nations
may have to share the poverty of the poor. Skin color
is not the yardstick here, although some European
nations advocate granting permission to refugees
with white skins. The sooner Africans abandon the
illusive dream of one government as a precondition
for progress, and place much needed energy and
emphasis on economic innovation, the better.
However, what is clear is that the Libya killings and
exodus have betrayed all the nonsensical parades
of Africa being Africa regardless of countries and
race, and thus the need for one Government, one
presumably with Tripoli as its capital. Late
Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere, one of the only
true sons of the Continent, once remarked that
Africans were trying hard to be Tanzanians,
Zambians, Ghanaians, etc., when in fact they are
only Africans. This may very well be true, but colonial
boundaries and structures have led to distinct
nations and peoples protecting their economic
interests. In Ghana, for example, Liberian refugee
traders were barred from selling in public markets.
One Liberian refugee, using her skills in pastry, was
on the way up the economic ladder when the
Ghanaian authorities dampened her hopes for
self-reliance she did not have the "correct papers".
Thus in many cases, it's easier for African refugees
to find employment in skinhead Germany, where
they are reminded of the "ignominy" of their race
every second, than in another African country. The
sad truth is that African refugees in an African
country are more out of place than being in Europe
or America despite the stigma of racism. For
instance, in Accra, angry Ghanaians decided a
serial killer, whom the Police were unable to identify,
was a Liberian. They therefore stormed a Liberian
refugee entertainment center and burnt it down.
A typical test of strength of African oneness came
during 1996 exodus out of Liberia on crawling,
leaking boats as armed factions competed to
control the capital Monrovia. When one of the boats
made an emergency docking in the Ivory Coast, the
authorities denied them refuge, despite the fact that
the Ivory Coast provided immense backing for the
rebels and the horrors the refugees were fleeing
from. Women and children were chased with whips
to ensure they did not leave confined areas. The
Ghanaians, after assurances of aid from
international humanitarian organizations, became
magnanimous, but callers on a radio talk show
warned the authorities against accepting the fleeing
Liberians, with one angry woman labeling all
Liberian women "prostitutes" that must be barred
from her country. Unfortunately, there are still over
40,000 Liberian refugees in Ghana, afraid to return
home or running from home.
The dreamy ambitions of African brotherhood are no
more. Ghana was one of the pioneering nations of
African unity under its visionary President Kwame
Nkrumah, who, following his ouster by the Army,
became "co-president" to a fellow visionary,
Guinea's Sekou Toure. Men like Zimbabwe's
President Robert Mugabe and many other Africans
received their political baptism in Nkrumah's Ghana.
But apart from Nkrumah's crusade for One Africa,
Ghana needed professionals in schools, hospitals,
etc. after independence. Mugabe, who later married
a Ghanaian, was a teacher in Ghana. So was
Malawi's late Dr. H. Kamuzu Banda. Times have
however changed. In the rat-race competition for a
better life, Africans see Africans as threats while
they see wealth in White faces, even if the contrary
is true. In Liberia, the Lebanese own the country's
most valuable real estate and now control what is left
of the criminal economy. Many arrive in the country
in tattered clothing but soon emerge as "business
tycoons" in league with corrupt politicians. During
his days in Samuel Doe's junta, Charles Taylor's key
"business partners" were Indians and Lebanese.
Now, they virtually own the economy. Sadly,
Liberians, as many Africans, have no qualms in
Lebanese or Europeans having the best in the
country---servants, plush homes, etc. The problem
arises when an African aspires for or lives the same
life-style. Historically, Liberian politicians prefer to
accept crumbs from Lebanese than empower their
people in commerce or industry.
With over a million Africans swarming Libya in
search of an illusive good life denied them at home,
the Libyans felt threatened and took action to defend
their privileges. But it was more than that. Racism is
at the core of the attacks. Libyans were amongst the
most brutal of Arab slavers. For long since Gaddafi
began his one Africa crusade, they simply regarded
African migrants as "slaves" who had come under
their leader's deceiving blanket of African
brotherhood to take their jobs, even if they were not
prepared for the menial, sweatshop jobs Africans
were just too happy to do.
Winning and dinning on Libya petro-dollars at OAU
meetings and the accompanying lofty
pronouncements of oneness, cannot change a slave
master's mentality cemented by centuries of slave
trade. It was only a matter of time for this deep
hatred and contempt, always found amongst people
victimized by harsh economic realities, to explode.
We see it in the Ivory Coast, where even the
wretched of Ivorians, believe foreigners have
caused their wretchedness. Black South Africans
loath Africans because they see them as threats to
their jobs. We see it re- emerging in Germany,
where skinheads believe foreigners taking jobs they
are unwilling to take have caused their economic
disadvantages.
Unemployment has been high amongst Libyans, hit
for years by international sanctions. Thus the
Africans became a convenient canon fodder despite
Gaddafi's grandstanding as the champion of African
unity. The "great leader" may just be discovering that
his Arab brothers and sisters are less reluctant for
his "Great Jamahariya" and its wooing of disciples
from other parts of the continent.
What the killings have done is to depict how
unpopular Gaddafi's great "one-nation" Africa has
been. Many Libyans may not have cared about their
leader's sponsorship of rebel wars and anarchy in
other African countries such as Liberia, Sierra
Leone, Chad, etc., once the export of wars did not
affect their life-style. But when they woke up
overnight and realized the prospects of sub-Saharan
African becoming competitors in their country,
however foolhardy their fears, they unleashed their
anger, and not even Gadaffi's iron grip on them
could stop them from implementing their pogroms
against immigrants.
Reports say Ghana's Rawlings, with long-standing
cordial ties to Gaddafi, found himself without a
counterpart president welcoming him when he
visited Libya after the killings. Gaddafi is reported to
have later sent a message of apology, stating that
Rawlings was at home even without him. But this
was a snub so clear that words could not conceal.
Rawlings flew with 200 of his citizens out of Libya,
leaving almost 5,000 behind.
The onslaught against Africans in Libya has been
sweeping. Many fleeing Africans left properties
behind as the flames of xenophobia spread. From
Nigeria, Niger, Sudan, etc., Africans have been
fleeing from the Jamahariya, Col. Gaddafi's
proclaimed "Haven" in which such things, we have
been told, are unthinkable. Nigeria has announced
plans to evacuate its citizens. Sudan, which should
have merged with Tripoli within the next 5 years as
one country, said a number of its citizens have been
killed, and plans were afoot for evacuation.
The killings and expulsions come just a few months
after Col. Gaddafi stormed West Africa as a
self-proclaimed shinning knight of African unity. His
prescription for Africa's problems, tied around
merging all African countries, was endorsed by
heads of state at the OAU meeting in Lome. To
replace the OAU, an "African Union" would be
formed. With notable exceptions of countries like
Angola, Namibia, Zimbabwe, African rulers
attending the conference approved Gaddafi's dream
without even bordering to ask their peoples if they
wanted domination by Arabs.
The farce of unity is crumbling at a time when Libya
has been the single most important player in West
Africa's destabilization process. In Liberia, Libya
suffered a setback during the reign of Samuel Doe,
then under the protective cover of Reagan's
America for service in the Cold War. Doe survived a
series of attempts to unseat his brutal rule primarily
because of Washington's blessings. Once
Washington's protection was in question, Gaddafi
saw an opportunity to help dump his foe like a
banana tree, avenging the humiliation it suffered
when its "People's Bureau" was shutdown and its
key backers in the military junta shot on orchestrated
charges of treason. Taylor's triumph has made
Tripoli's victory over the US in Liberia complete, that
is, if one considers her triumph a contest because
Uncle Sam had in fact lost interest in Liberia.
But the Libyans are not however hungry for global
power role in Africa without watching their pockets.
According to reports in London's Financial Times,
Taylor is making regular payment to Libya for money
borrowed to destroy Liberia. When Taylor
demanded $26m from Liberians to pay Libya for
debts incurred in waging the war, many Liberians
protested in vain but their President was determined
to pay the debts that made him president. Without
Gaddafi, Houphouet Boigny, Blaise Compaori and
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Gaddafi recruits for Africa's greatness include
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with Taylor and other African rebels, Libya's
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and poverty.
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Ya Nenneh Khan and the late Alh Badara Khan family, The Jarga Njie
family of Sam Jack , The Jow family and the entire extended family
regrets to announce the death of Ya Isatou Jobe commonly known as Tanta.
This sad event occurred yesterday. Our condolence to the family and to
Yusupha Jow. May her soul rest in perfect peace.
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The Jallow family of kerr cherno, Kah family, the late Alh A.J. Senghore
family, Alh Mbye Jobe bandmaster and the entire followers of late Alh
Cherno Baba Jallow regrets to announce the death of the halifa of ker
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Jabou, Ndey, Fatou, KB, Abdoulaye, Bro Habib el al,
Thank you for expressing your concern about our safety. I can assure all
that we are all taking the necessary precautions. Yesterday the situation
was fluid, this morning it is highly volatile with APCs on the streets with
soldiers, apparently backing Laurent Gbagbo, urging his supporters on
towards the Presidential Palace in Plateau. Heavy gun fire at one of the
army barracks was heard through out the early hours of the morning. Street
barricades have been erected by the Gbagbo supporters in Youpougon, Adjame
and Koumassi areas of Abidjan since the end of the curfew at 06:00 GMT this
morning. Both Laurent Donna Fologo of the PDCI and Ouattara of RDR have
indicated that they will not join the protest of Gbagbo since he has been
playing ball with the military through out the transition instead of
standing firmly with the PDCI and RDR, two of the biggest political parties
which were both excluded from the election leading to their subsequent
boycott. Both parties consider the election illegitimate because of the
exclusionary clauses embedded in the Constitution and the eligibility
criteria for the presidential candidate designed, in their view, to exclude
the biggest political threats to the rule of Gen. Guei. A call I received
moments ago confirmed that, indeed, there are hundreds of Gbagbo supporters
assembling in different parts of the city, ready on the march toward the
Presidential Palace. Where it will all end is anybody's guess. In case you
guys (Jabou el al) are wondering, I am holed up in my residence with my
family, as are all Bank staff not on mission.
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Hello Sidi,
Thanx for the update. It's sad to see yet another peaceful African country going through this. When would our leaders learn???
Praying for the safety of you, your family, all Gambians living there and all our African sisters and brothers. You will be in our minds. Keep those emails coming so that we atleast know that you are safe.
Isatou
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Yusupha:
My condolence to you and your family. May Allah give the deceased Jannah.
Tijan:
Thanks for posting obituaries on Gambia-L for us. It gives people like
myself the opportunity to know contact the families that I know, and pay my
respects.... My stepmother (Bintou Jallow) comes from the Jallow family.
May Allah reward your good deeds -- Ameen.
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Good brother ,
just stayhome. Your family is more important
Habib
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> Jabou, Ndey, Fatou, KB, Abdoulaye, Bro Habib el al,
>
> Thank you for expressing your concern about our safety. I can assure all
> that we are all taking the necessary precautions. Yesterday the situation
> was fluid, this morning it is highly volatile with APCs on the streets with
> soldiers, apparently backing Laurent Gbagbo, urging his supporters on
> towards the Presidential Palace in Plateau. Heavy gun fire at one of the
> army barracks was heard through out the early hours of the morning. Street
> barricades have been erected by the Gbagbo supporters in Youpougon, Adjame
> and Koumassi areas of Abidjan since the end of the curfew at 06:00 GMT this
> morning. Both Laurent Donna Fologo of the PDCI and Ouattara of RDR have
> indicated that they will not join the protest of Gbagbo since he has been
> playing ball with the military through out the transition instead of
> standing firmly with the PDCI and RDR, two of the biggest political parties
> which were both excluded from the election leading to their subsequent
> boycott. Both parties consider the election illegitimate because of the
> exclusionary clauses embedded in the Constitution and the eligibility
> criteria for the presidential candidate designed, in their view, to exclude
> the biggest political threats to the rule of Gen. Guei. A call I received
> moments ago confirmed that, indeed, there are hundreds of Gbagbo supporters
> assembling in different parts of the city, ready on the march toward the
> Presidential Palace. Where it will all end is anybody's guess. In case you
> guys (Jabou el al) are wondering, I am holed up in my residence with my
> family, as are all Bank staff not on mission.
> Sidi Sanneh
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Dear Isatou,
Everything seems under control at the moment. General Guei has now been
reported to have fled Cote d'Ivoire by helicopter bound for Cotounou, Benin.
The National Television is still under the control of his forces but
reports reaching me is that the remaining loyalist forces have been ordered
to cease fire by the remnants of Guei forces. Meanwhile, television images
are showing the army and garndermerie with the demonstrators, and in fact in
some instances actually leading the demonstrations through the city of
Abidjan. The question now is where does Cote d'Ivoire go from here. The
picture should begin to emerge in the days ahead. Thank you for your concern
and kind regards from Neneh Jaiteh.
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Hello Sidi,
Thumps up for the updates you are sending from your hideout. You are doing a great job. Meanwhile stay
cautious about security and send my regards to your family and the rest of the other colleagues. Peace to
Cote D'Ivoire and Africa.
Regards
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> Everything seems under control at the moment. General Guei has now been
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> The National Television is still under the control of his forces but
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> some instances actually leading the demonstrations through the city of
> Abidjan. The question now is where does Cote d'Ivoire go from here. The
> picture should begin to emerge in the days ahead. Thank you for your concern
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Good news
So the General finally fled like a coward. It is time for these self imposed leaders around the world realize
they will all end up like Melosvich
His army boys must have deserted him otherwise he would have stayed on
Habib
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> Dear Isatou,
> Everything seems under control at the moment. General Guei has now been
> reported to have fled Cote d'Ivoire by helicopter bound for Cotounou, Benin.
> The National Television is still under the control of his forces but
> reports reaching me is that the remaining loyalist forces have been ordered
> to cease fire by the remnants of Guei forces. Meanwhile, television images
> are showing the army and garndermerie with the demonstrators, and in fact in
> some instances actually leading the demonstrations through the city of
> Abidjan. The question now is where does Cote d'Ivoire go from here. The
> picture should begin to emerge in the days ahead. Thank you for your concern
> and kind regards from Neneh Jaiteh.
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Speaking on natioanl radio and television, Laurent Gbago has declared that
the wishes of the people of Cote d'Ivoire have been carried out by
recognising the results of the election of 22nd October, at the insistence
of the people. He has re-installed the Chairman and members of the National
Electoral Commission dismissed yesterday by Guei with the mandate to
proceed with the finalisation of the vote tally for ratification by the
Supreme Court. He congratulated and expressed his gratitude to the
Commission for being steadfast in carrying out their constitutional duties
with impartiality. Following the finalisation of the vote count and
ratification, Gbagbo is expected to take the oath of office in the next day
or two. His only significant pronouncement was the need to re-visit the
Constitution which has been one of the source of friction and disunity
amongst Ivorians. He has also promised to form a Government of National
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d'Ivoire over the years. Afterall, light may be at the end of the tunnel
for this beautiful country full of great promise.
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> Dear Isatou,
> Everything seems under control at the moment. General Guei has now been
> reported to have fled Cote d'Ivoire by helicopter bound for Cotounou, Benin.
I wonder why they always take to their heels when things get so tough, leaving the poor masses to face all the chaos.
> The question now is where does Cote d'Ivoire go from here. The
> picture should begin to emerge in the days ahead.
THat's a good question. I hope peace returns to Cote d'Ivoire as soon as possible.
Thank you for your concern
> and kind regards from Neneh Jaiteh.
> Sidi Sanneh
My regards to her too. You guys are still in our minds. We pray for your safety.
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Mr. Sanneh, thank you very much for the updates. I was so distraught
yesterday, seeing Guei trying to drag his country into the abyss and putting
people's lives in jeopardy. I do not mean to sound selfish, but I have to
point out that I was very concern for the lives of the Gambians working in
Abidjan. Some of our finest minds are there. We thank God for the safety of
the Gambians living in Ivory Coast. We continue to pray that you remain safe
during these trying times in Ivory Coast. We congratulate the Ivorian people
for standing up to Guei. We hope that reports that the coward has fled to
Cotonou are true. Left to the vermin alone, he would have turned Abidjan to
a war zone. Reports say that his security forces fired live ammunition at
protesters including women and children. All that callousness just to
perpetuate a dictator in power. A dictator who stole power in the first
place. It is the arrogance of these thugs that I cannot stand. They
intimidate people, use brute force to steal power, and then behave as if it
is their birth right to stay in power. Well, the Ivorian people have shown
Guei where power really lies. I hope Ghagbo will act like a true democrat
and call for fresh elections where all the parties will be allowed to
contest. This is another wake up call for Gambians. Like we keep saying,
when push comes to shove, these cowards run away. Yaya is a worst coward
than Guei. Yaya has less support in the Gambian army than Guei had in the
Ivorian army. Do not let Yaya rob you in an election and then intimidate you
to accept the outcome of the elections. It is not just elections. Whenever
Yaya breaks the law (as in the case of the massacre of our children on April
10 and 11), he has to be challenged by the people. The massacre of our
children is more heinous than robbing elections. The moment Yaya ordered his
forces to kill our children, he forfeited his right to live, let alone rule
our country. The opposition and their supporters should mobilize and remove
Yaya from office and try him like any common criminal.
KB
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>Speaking on natioanl radio and television, Laurent Gbago has declared that
>the wishes of the people of Cote d'Ivoire have been carried out by
>recognising the results of the election of 22nd October, at the insistence
>of the people. He has re-installed the Chairman and members of the
>National
>Electoral Commission dismissed yesterday by Guei with the mandate to
>proceed with the finalisation of the vote tally for ratification by the
>Supreme Court. He congratulated and expressed his gratitude to the
>Commission for being steadfast in carrying out their constitutional duties
>with impartiality. Following the finalisation of the vote count and
>ratification, Gbagbo is expected to take the oath of office in the next day
>or two. His only significant pronouncement was the need to re-visit the
>Constitution which has been one of the source of friction and disunity
>amongst Ivorians. He has also promised to form a Government of National
>Unity to help heel the deep wound inflicted on the population of Cote
>d'Ivoire over the years. Afterall, light may be at the end of the tunnel
>for this beautiful country full of great promise.
>Sidi Sanneh
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> back home are trying to get out of poverty
> and others abroad are dying just to fight against poverty, but you
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Ylva,
Thank you for posting Tom Kamara's article on the "One Africa" panacea. The
"One Africa" dreamland, as he aptly calls it , will remain a distant dream
until African economies develop individually and sufficiently enough, with
an intermediate goal of economic, political and cultural convergence at the
(sub)regional level before moving towards continental convergence.
Presently, our peoples are out of sinc, neither are our economic policies
nor our values as they relate to human/individual rights, good governance
etc. I agree entirely with the author that Africans must concentrate on
"creating economic opportunities in their individual
countries,...establishing stable Governments around human rights and
transparency as the principal guarantors of self-respect and progress." To
us African, I say, first things first.
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Yunusa,
I figure that since I am holed up at home with time in my hands, I should
put it to good use by monitoring the various news outlets and some sources
from the demo sites for your information. I hope I have done justice to the
evolution of yet another people's revolt in the name of democracy. As I keep
saying, this is only the first stage in a process which must see the putting
together the various pieces of the Ivorian mosaic which worked well in the
past. One must remember that less than 30-35 percent of the registered
voters went to the polls last Sunday. The new Government must necessarily
reconcile with the 70-80 percent of those voters who felt deprived of their
chioce to vote for their candidate. This national reconciliation exercise
has been recognised and confirmed by president-elect Laurent Gbagbo during
his interview with France's TV 5 as one of his first task. This confirmation
from Gbagbo is significant because he is credited as the inventor of
Ivoirite "Ivoirianess" during his 1990 presidential bid. Hopefully, he has
come to realise the decisiveness of this xenophobic policy and which he is
prepared to abandon. Thank you for the expression of your concern about our
safety. I can assure all well wishers that we are safe and sound.
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Subject: [AfricaMatters] Activist threatens to hand out AIDS drug
Sunday Times
South Africa
10/22/2000
Activist threatens to hand out AIDS drug
JEREMY LAWRENCE
THE outspoken activist Zackie Achmat, who has enraged health authorities by
illegally importing cheap AIDS drugs into the country, yesterday announced
plans to import and distribute the medicine to doctors in four provinces
within a week.
Achmat, who heads the Treatment Action Campaign, illegally imported 3 000
capsules of Biozole, a generic version of Diflucan (fluconazole) from
Thailand. Diflucan sells for about R124 a capsule in SA pharmacies, but
Achmat paid only R1.79 for the generic. He said Biozole capsules were sold to
the state for R30 each.
If the Medicines Control Council did not register the generic medicine within
the next two weeks, Achmat said, he would import 2 000 more capsules and
start supplying doctors in at least four provinces.
"This is the responsibility of the government. Our intention is not to become
a medicine distributor. We only want to illustrate the point that it would be
easy to bring the tablets into the country," said Achmat, who has AIDS but
has refused anti-retroviral therapy until it is freely available from the
public health service.
The Medicines Control Council laid an official complaint against Achmat with
the police this week. Achmat and about 50 supporters, including the PAC's
Patricia de Lille, reported to the police on Friday, and later handed over
the 3 000 tablets to a representative of the Health Department.
Police spokesman Captain Etienne Terblanche said Achmat had cooperated with
investigators.
"We will investigate the matter fully and the police docket will be handed
over to the director of public prosecutions, who will recommend whether to
prosecute," he said.
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10/22/2000
African solutions don't exist, says former top US official
JOHN GROBLER in Windhoek and BOBBY JORDAN in Johannesburg
THE US's former top Africa official has launched a remarkable attack on the
continent's leadership, saying the idea that Africa can solve its own
problems is a "fatuous illusion" that causes wars.
Chester Crocker, the former US Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, made
the comments in an interview with the Sunday Times after an investment
conference in Namibia.
Crocker, who brokered the withdrawal of 50 000 Cuban troops from Angola in
the late '80s, said: "We have this illusion, in my country in particular, and
I think it is a fatuous illusion, that there is such a thing as an African
solution to African problems.
"The centre of Africa is a very dark place at the moment and it is getting
worse and worse."
He did not criticise South Africa.
Crocker is now a research professor at Georgetown University in Washington
and chairs the US Institute of Peace.
He was scathing about African leaders who accused the West of following a
secret imperialist agenda to take control of the Democratic Republic of
Congo's mineral wealth.
He described Congo as a "geopolitical version of a free lunch", adding that
African leaders were involved in the war to serve their own interests.
"The agendas you are referring to are the agendas of neighbours . . . and it
is not a pretty picture."
In this regard, he sharply criticized the notions that there were "good and
bad guys" in the D.R.C., as well as that the world should leave Africa to
solve its own problems.
A Foreign Affairs spokesman, Ronnie Mamoepa, described Crocker's comments as
"unfortunate".
"Africa is endowed with a new leadership crop . . . who are more than capable
of producing African solutions to African problems, and who are proud of
their history, their culture and their dignity," he said.
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Subject: [AfricaMatters] Smoking - Africa's lurking killer
23/10/2000 19:50 - (SA)
Smoking - Africa's lurking killer
Nairobi, Kenya - Saturation advertising by international tobacco companies is
in large part responsible for the steady increase in smoking in Africa over
the past decade, a policy planning group said on Monday.
Statistics indicate that the incidence of smoking in African countries ranges
from an estimated low of 15 percent of the adult population to a high of 67
percent, according to the group, which includes legislators from
English-speaking African countries, representatives of the World Health
Organisation, the US-based Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the
World Bank, the Organisation of African Unity and non-governmental
organisations.
The rate of the annual increase in smoking in Africa is estimated to be 2.5
percent higher than the rate of increase in other developing countries, the
group said in a statement.
"Tobacco is itself a disease, an epidemic and communicable," said Lardja
Sanwougu, of the World Health Organisation's Tobacco-Free Initiative for the
region. "Unlike other diseases that are transmitted by virus ... the vector
transmitting it is advertising."
Sanwougu spoke at the opening of a five-day meeting on tobacco control policy
and programming in the region.
The Geneva-based WHO is planning a global convention to draw up a treaty on
tobacco regulation through which signatory nations would agree to enact
stringent legislation.
Participants addressing the meeting said cigarette sales in developing
countries have increased by 80 percent since 1990.
Sanwougu said although there are no figures available on tobacco-related
deaths in Africa, in 1998 at least 4 million people world-wide died from
tobacco-related ailments.
CDC official Lawrence Green said tobacco-related diseases are projected to
become the biggest killer in Africa in the next 20 years, causing more deaths
than Aids, malaria, tuberculosis, maternal mortality, automobile crashes,
homicides and suicides combined.
In a faxed statement, British American Tobacco, one of the main multinational
tobacco companies operating in the region, expressed concern that the tobacco
industry and governments were being excluded from the policy-making process
on how tobacco use would be regulated.
BAT proposed that the convention:
come up with a series of recommendations or guidelines, not a legally binding
regulation;
give all stakeholders, including government departments and the private
sector "a proper chance to input their views"; and
"recognise that those sovereign governments, not Swiss bureaucrats, are best
placed to regulate on tobacco".
The statement said the WHO convention "would appear to be an attack on Kenyan
sovereignty".
In a statement, WHO Regional Director for Africa Ebrahim M Samba said
countries need to develop comprehensive tobacco control programmes to protect
the health of their populations.
"It takes the entire community - youth, educators, health workers, clergies,
general public and doctors to fight the deadly epidemic," Samba said. "You,
as representatives of NGOs, ministries of health and the World Health
Organisation play an important role in developing these programmes."
He said the tobacco control programmes should include legislative actions,
public awareness programmes, increased taxes on tobacco products, bans on
advertising and promotion and restricting smoking in the workplace and public
places.
Parliament in Kenya is expected to debate a draft bill on tobacco regulation
during its current session.
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Here are the boys addresses:
- YUSUPHA MBYE
c/o ALIEU MBYE
P.O.Box 791.
Banjul,THE GAMBIA.
- SAINEY SENGHORE
c/o ALIEU MBYE
P.o.Box 791
Banjul,THE GAMBIA.
- ASSAN SUWAREH
c/o ALIEU MBYE
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Banjul,THE GAMBIA.
--- Isatou B Kaira <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sigga,
>
> I still haven't have time to read your attachment
> but I have to say that I am very proud of you. I am
> a firm believer that one should always stand for
> ones beliefs. We need many, many women like you.
>
>
> > For like I said, sometimes, all that is needed are
> > kind words in order to help these kids in their
> daily
> > struggles.
>
> Oh yes! Never underestimate the power of words and
> with just the right words, we can boost the morals
> of these boys and keep them going.
>
> Isatou
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It is a great day for Africa. About time. The people have had enough
of the nonsense - A good example for folks in West Africa.
The people of Ivory Coast have made us very proud and tall. Let's
keep them in our prayers. Thanks uncle Sidi for the updates.
Cheers!
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Introductory Remarks
by
Laurent Gbagbo,
President of Front Populaire Ivoirien
The National Press Club, Washington DC, on June 23, 1997
Ladies and Gentlemen,
As surprising as it may sound, multiparty politics was authorized in Cote
d'lvoire only on April 30, 1990 after thirty years of national sovereignty.
Our constitution provides for numerous rights and freedoms, yet and for most
Ivorians it is clear that democracy to this moment still remains held up to
ridicule in our country. Most of our compatriots have the unsettling feeling
that the closer we get to the year 2000 the more our freedoms are curtailed.
In Cote d'Ivoire, the State apparatus is not partial. The current
administration's refusal to resolutely opt for the path of democratic
reforms as well as its tragic stubbornness against sizing up the winds of
change and the irreversible character of the democratic process have shrivel
the political and social relations, thus poisoning the political climate.
The State, instead of being the protector of all, hounds down large segments
of the population. Having given up on maintaining a neutral posture, the
security forces, clothed and paid with Ivorian taxpayer's money, have
ruthlessly repress prodemocratic militants. As a matter of fact, the
government bureaucracy has acquired itself a habit: that of cloaking itself
in the ruling party's colors. Consequence: before facing up the ruling party
proper during general elections all opposition candidates do have first to
contend with their first opponents: the prefectoral and sub-prefectoral
bureaucracies. To this one should add the side-stepping of electoral
transparency by the government both in 1990 and 1995 and the heavy-handed
control of the Interior ministry over the whole electoral process.
Everyday, discredit and opprobium are heaped onto democratic opposition
parties and their leaders. Everyday, opposition parties and their leaders
are demonized and subjected to Intimidations, beatings, and imprisonment.
State media are monopolized by the current administration and turned into
the ruling party's instrument of propaganda, occultation, and even of
sabotage of opposition activities. To muzzle the private press, carrier of
hope of freedom, libel suits for "offense to the Head of State",, incitement
to violence suits as well as many other exotic suits on trumped charges are
common place against journalists. To this already long list of violence and
violations, one should add the judiciary branch, a branch completely
subjugated to the current administration. Our judiciary branch is adept at
shying away from honoring its responsibility.
Put together all these basic human rights violations, micro-management of
the judiciary branch, and attempts at gagging the private press have lead to
the perverting of the whole democratic process in Cote d'Ivoire where the
ruling party is both judge and judged.
Born out of a serious social crisis, the multiparty experience in Cote
d'Ivoire until now has evolved through crises. Taking stock of these crises,
it is clear that with regard to democracy the Ivorian society has not yet
reached a new "consensus." It is also quite obvious that confidence in the
current administration's ability to propose a coherent and progressive path
to succeed at this democratic experiment has disappeared. This is why the
ruling PDCI's stubborn drive towards bringing Ivorians back to the one-party
system, its commitment to impose, by all means, PDCI's one-party system once
again, remains a real subject of serious concern for my party, the Ivorian
Popular Front.
This situation is particularly troubling in view of one of the most striking
teachings of contemporary Third World history: it is the power structure's
refusal to dialogue with their legal opposition that sooner or later has
produced armed oppositions. Whether in Africa with Machel, Agostino Neto and
Amilcar Cabral, or in Asia Ho Chi Minh and Giap, it should be noted that
none of those liberation leaders have chosen to engage in armed struggle at
the onset; they were forced to it by those in powers. These nationalists
were only demanding independence and the exercise of basic freedoms. They
all tried to negotiate for a peaceful path to independence, to no avail.
Indeed, it is the refusal to listen to them that have forced them into armed
struggle. More recently in Zaire, this threshold of exasperation has been
reached in a dosage that was poisonous. Laurent Desire Kabila and his troops
provided the straw that had finally broken the camel's back and Mobutu had
no other choice than to leave. The same history teaches us equally that most
civil wars in Africa came out of poorly organized elections. In Liberia, for
instance, it is the intolerance, the totalitarianism of the exslaves that
has led to the military coup that brought Samuel Doe to power in 1980.
Ironically, five years later, the same intolerance and totalitarianism will
pushed Samuel Doe into rigging the 1985 elections. Therein lies why some
people in Liberia felt they had no other options than to take up arms.
In Burundi, FRODEBU won fair and square during democratic elections and its
leader Melshior N'Dadaye came out elected President. Three months later,
refusing to accept President Ndadaye's victory, retrograde forces
assassinated him and many of his aides. And the country, ladies and
gentlemen, has been destabilized. In Nigeria, democratic elections have been
organized by the Babanguida administration, yet when Abiola came out the
victor, his victory was not accepted. Today, Nigeria is a destabilized
country looking like a drunken boat on indomitable waves. To believe that
one should always govern tends to sooner or later provoke internal
conflagrations. In Africa, as anywhere else, nobody is ever strong enough to
be strong forever. We are worried.
Ladies and Gentlemen, My party, its militants and leaders, deeply love Me
d'Ivoire. It is painful for us Africans to see the situation in which our
countries find themselves because of the selfishness of some backward
forces. Nevertheless,- the FPI refuses to be driven to despair about Cote
d'Ivoire and continues to believe in the future of our country. We continue
to dream of a day where the whole Ivorian society will reconcile with
itself. It is with these feelings of great urgency that the FPI is calling
once again for an immediate opening of dialogue to prepare for a serene
future for Cote d'Ivoire. The current period could not be more propitious
for such an undertaking. For we are sufficiently far away from the last
elections so as to escape its crops of resentment and yet not close enough
to the next elections to feel its pressures.
Reducing and eliminating the current tension, restoring confidence and the
flourishing of freedoms will inevitably mean establishing a new consensus
around four (4) priority themes:
1. A revision of the electoral system to be based on proportional
representation and nondiscriminatory laws
2. A development policy based on institutional reforms and decentralization
3. A liberalization of state-owned media and the promotion of a free press.
4. A regional integration of West African economies.
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I cannot help, but to let my opinion be known about the above subject matter.
It is utter non sense trying to justify the actions of Mr.King. As an officer
of the law, regardless of who has given him instructions to use deadly force
against the students, it was incumbent upon him to disobey that order. It was
an immoral order, and would have been moral to disobey it. Mr. King ,
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is. Why did'nt he stand up against Yaya. Does'nt he has any PRINCIPLES ?
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Madiba,
I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is another historic achievement in the
continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators that "Power belong to the Masses".
People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality especially in West Africa.
Thanks to Sidi for all the information
The Struggle Continues!!
Ndey Jobarteh
Madiba Saidy wrote:
> It is a great day for Africa. About time. The people have had enough
> of the nonsense - A good example for folks in West Africa.
>
> The people of Ivory Coast have made us very proud and tall. Let's
> keep them in our prayers. Thanks uncle Sidi for the updates.
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> Cheers!
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Hello Sidi,
It has been quite a while, Thank you for keeping us all posted. It is
one of those disappointing setbacks to the development of our continent. The
politics of Africa is so antidevelopment that it is taking us further and
further into the trenches and abject poverty. These leaders feel the only way
to solidify power is by the abuse of their nation's economic and human
capital.
I hope that things will get better soon.
Take care of yourself.
Best Wishes,
Matarr Sajaw.
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Ylva,
Uncle Sidi echoed my sentiments on the continent. Instead of accusing
the West for all our problems and creating these brutal political systems
aimed at crippling the nations human, physical and financial structures,
Africa must look into building it's individual economies.
We cannot stand as a continent with broken glasses all over our land.
Lets clean up the ground and stop the bloodshed. If we don't put our
priorities in the right place then we will eventually become the lost
continent.
Africa must hold Africa accountable.
Thanks again for the information.
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2000-10-25
COTE D'IVOIRE: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S GUEI.
By Silvia Aloisi
ABIDJAN, Oct 25 (Reuters) - A former member of Ivory Coast's junta blamed the
wife of ousted army ruler General Robert Guei for the military chief's downfall
in a people's revolt on Wednesday.
"It's his wife who ruined him," Henri Cesar Sama, who was Guei's communication
minister before resigning in the face of unprecedented mass protests, told
reporters.
Rose Guei, in her mid-fifties, was often seen campaigning with Guei before
Sunday's presidential election, wearing expensive clothes and sophisticated make
up.
She even campaigned on Guei's behalf upcountry when he dropped plans to travel
across the country for security reasons.
"She is greedy for power. We tried to persuade her to let it go but she wouldn't
listen," he said.
When the wife of junta number two Mathias Doue asked Rose Guei to persuade her
husband to concede defeat after the election, Rose called her "vermin", Sama
said.
He was speaking at state radio headquarters in the main city Abidjan after two
days of protests drove Guei from power.
The protest started on Tuesday afternoon when the junta declared that Guei had
won Sunday's presidential election, despite early results putting socialist
Laurent Gbagbo ahead. Gbagbo is now deemed the winner and he has said he is
president.
"Guei asked us to fiddle with the results. He asked us to annul the election. I
told him we couldn't do that," Sama said.
"He didn't want to tell us what the true results were. But everybody knew that
Gbagbo had won with 67.42 percent. It was just a bluff."
Sama added that during a meeting with Guei on Tuesday morning, Gbagbo had given
Guei "all the guarantees he needed for himself, his family and even the people
working for him" if he conceded that he had lost the election.
But Guei had decided to hang on to power at all costs.
Guei, put in power by soldiers who staged a coup last December, had initially
said that he was not interested in power and only wanted to "sweep the house
clean".
"But there were all these civilians around him who led him to believe he had the
people's support," Sama said. "People who had privileges and who, yesterday
still, were telling him that he should stay on."
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Brother Beran Jeng
It may be true that his wife was power hungry but if he really hhad the intereest of the nnation he would
have told his loving wife "sorry honey, I cany go on in these condition" period
It is easy to blame wife now but it takes two to tango. He was not forced to do what he did.
best regards
Habib
"Jeng, Beran" wrote:
> 2000-10-25
> COTE D'IVOIRE: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S GUEI.
>
> By Silvia Aloisi
> ABIDJAN, Oct 25 (Reuters) - A former member of Ivory Coast's junta blamed the
> wife of ousted army ruler General Robert Guei for the military chief's downfall
> in a people's revolt on Wednesday.
> "It's his wife who ruined him," Henri Cesar Sama, who was Guei's communication
> minister before resigning in the face of unprecedented mass protests, told
> reporters.
> Rose Guei, in her mid-fifties, was often seen campaigning with Guei before
> Sunday's presidential election, wearing expensive clothes and sophisticated make
> up.
> She even campaigned on Guei's behalf upcountry when he dropped plans to travel
> across the country for security reasons.
> "She is greedy for power. We tried to persuade her to let it go but she wouldn't
> listen," he said.
> When the wife of junta number two Mathias Doue asked Rose Guei to persuade her
> husband to concede defeat after the election, Rose called her "vermin", Sama
> said.
> He was speaking at state radio headquarters in the main city Abidjan after two
> days of protests drove Guei from power.
> The protest started on Tuesday afternoon when the junta declared that Guei had
> won Sunday's presidential election, despite early results putting socialist
> Laurent Gbagbo ahead. Gbagbo is now deemed the winner and he has said he is
> president.
> "Guei asked us to fiddle with the results. He asked us to annul the election. I
> told him we couldn't do that," Sama said.
> "He didn't want to tell us what the true results were. But everybody knew that
> Gbagbo had won with 67.42 percent. It was just a bluff."
> Sama added that during a meeting with Guei on Tuesday morning, Gbagbo had given
> Guei "all the guarantees he needed for himself, his family and even the people
> working for him" if he conceded that he had lost the election.
> But Guei had decided to hang on to power at all costs.
> Guei, put in power by soldiers who staged a coup last December, had initially
> said that he was not interested in power and only wanted to "sweep the house
> clean".
> "But there were all these civilians around him who led him to believe he had the
> people's support," Sama said. "People who had privileges and who, yesterday
> still, were telling him that he should stay on."
>
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Brother Habib,
I'cant agree with you more.
Beran
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COAST'S GUEI.
Brother Beran Jeng
It may be true that his wife was power hungry but if he really
hhad the intereest of the nnation he would
have told his loving wife "sorry honey, I cany go on in these
condition" period
It is easy to blame wife now but it takes two to tango. He was
not forced to do what he did.
best regards
Habib
"Jeng, Beran" wrote:
> 2000-10-25
> COTE D'IVOIRE: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S
GUEI.
>
> By Silvia Aloisi
> ABIDJAN, Oct 25 (Reuters) - A former member of Ivory Coast's
junta blamed the
> wife of ousted army ruler General Robert Guei for the military
chief's downfall
> in a people's revolt on Wednesday.
> "It's his wife who ruined him," Henri Cesar Sama, who was
Guei's communication
> minister before resigning in the face of unprecedented mass
protests, told
> reporters.
> Rose Guei, in her mid-fifties, was often seen campaigning with
Guei before
> Sunday's presidential election, wearing expensive clothes and
sophisticated make
> up.
> She even campaigned on Guei's behalf upcountry when he dropped
plans to travel
> across the country for security reasons.
> "She is greedy for power. We tried to persuade her to let it
go but she wouldn't
> listen," he said.
> When the wife of junta number two Mathias Doue asked Rose Guei
to persuade her
> husband to concede defeat after the election, Rose called her
"vermin", Sama
> said.
> He was speaking at state radio headquarters in the main city
Abidjan after two
> days of protests drove Guei from power.
> The protest started on Tuesday afternoon when the junta
declared that Guei had
> won Sunday's presidential election, despite early results
putting socialist
> Laurent Gbagbo ahead. Gbagbo is now deemed the winner and he
has said he is
> president.
> "Guei asked us to fiddle with the results. He asked us to
annul the election. I
> told him we couldn't do that," Sama said.
> "He didn't want to tell us what the true results were. But
everybody knew that
> Gbagbo had won with 67.42 percent. It was just a bluff."
> Sama added that during a meeting with Guei on Tuesday morning,
Gbagbo had given
> Guei "all the guarantees he needed for himself, his family and
even the people
> working for him" if he conceded that he had lost the election.
> But Guei had decided to hang on to power at all costs.
> Guei, put in power by soldiers who staged a coup last
December, had initially
> said that he was not interested in power and only wanted to
"sweep the house
> clean".
> "But there were all these civilians around him who led him to
believe he had the
> people's support," Sama said. "People who had privileges and
who, yesterday
> still, were telling him that he should stay on."
>
>
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To the Family and Friends of Alh Cherno Alfa Jallow:
I am truly sorry for your great loss! May his soul rest in peace.
Hoping that you will feel God close to you in your time of need. May
you draw strength as you trust in His unfailing love and in His never-
ending comfort. He is truly there for you now and forever if you let
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To the Family and Friends of Ya Isatou Jobe:
Though my words along with those of everyone else can do little to
comfort you, we hope our thoughts and prayers will help support you at
this time. May her soul rest in peace. I am truly sorry for your
great loss. "Blessed be the sorrow that is shared." God Bless You!
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<< This is a reminder to all dictators that "Power belong to the Masses".
People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
especially in West Africa. >>
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Ndey, Madiba et al,
It is indeed a real awakening, and in Africa finally. This message that power
belongs to the people and that it is they who are represented by these
leaders, and should therefore be able to choose who is fit to represent them
based on how well they serve the business of the people, and get rid of them
if they are not fit to do the job is finally hitting home. When the people
realize that only by having a voice will our business be taken care of, and
when they see the benefits of this all around them, they will have it no
other way, and that force is something no dictator can stand up against. Let
me say it again, that without the will of the people, no corrupt and inept
dictator can prevail. It is as simple as that, and all the ordinary people
will be amazed how much power they can have if they act collectively and in
one voice.
Jabou Joh
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As reported in the Daily Observer today, the tourism industry is facing an
unmitigating disaster this season. They are expecting the lowest number of
visitors ever, continuing a downward spiral that if unchecked might doom the
industry entirely. The thousands of people who make their living either
directly or through associated services catering to tourism would sadly be
consigned to what this government wrought on the larger Gambian community be
it farmers, civil servants and small businesspeople. A sector as crucial and
full of potential as Tourism is left to literally wither in the vines through
lack of funding, poor management and utter callousness. What Yahya Jammeh has
done is to allocate a few million Dalasis (about D6million the last time I
checked) and appoint a political hatchetman who doesn't even know how to
fold a napkin much less improve the hospitality industry. The few talented
people in the ministry who can actually craft ideas lack the clout to see
their work through. As a result while Tourism officials from other countries
use valuable time and effort courting business and persuading operators to
come to Cape verde or Senegal, Yankuba Touray is busy frothing his mouth
about how great Yahya Jammeh is and how he intends to give this to that
group in two years! The result is very predictable in that he will almost
certainly run the industry to the ground because the remaining hotels can't
sustain operations much less grow if the visitors are choosing somewhereelse.
The industry receives no tangible incentives and must often times contend
with ever-increasing tax rates, onerous regulations and a host of other
circumstances not conducive to business in general. What the industry needs
most is a government that is focused on nurturing the private sector in
general and is committed to making it the engine of growth and prosperity. In
their case, such a government would make tourism a priority by establishing a
professionally run and adequately funded agency with a clear mandate to
aggressively court tour operators to bring in the visitors. Parallel to that,
the gov't would work with the industry to help them improve services through
incentive provisions and other ancillary things the gov't can do to make
their visitors have a pleasant stay. Part of the reason some visitors don't
return is because as it is ,Gambia provides a qualitatively inadequate
experience for visitors compared to our competitors. It is a disgrace that
even the very few sites we offer to our visitors be in Juffuray or Fort
bullen are so poorly kept or organized that going there is much of a chore
than a nice outing. Having some poor lady mumbling on a ramshackle stool
about Kunta Kinteh is not a profound encounter for anybody and the truth is
there is sufficient history and sites to make them all great.Another option a
different gov't would consider is to initiate a partnering scheme in which
tax rates for Tourism related businesses would be reduced with the
understanding that savings realized would be invested into improving
services. The rationale for such a deal would be that an improved product
would in the longer term grow the industry and also serve as a strong
incentive for newcomers to come in an invest. You will not attract investors
into country with near confiscatory taxes coupled with a government that is
generally considered vile and indolent.
In the meantime the good people of the tourism industry would have to
endure another failed season with all its effect on the people who are trying
do their bit to both take care of their families and lift the nation in the
process. Like the rest of the nation they have this albatross called Yahya
Jammeh hanging over their neck. He and his cronies who collectively are
unlikely to succeed in any merit based endeavor have nonetheless made
themselves custodians of our nation's fate. What they have done to destroy
tourism is representative of their overall record spanning the gov't . They
have neither the ability nor even the inclination to do right by the tourism
industry . They would substitute lies and threats for substantive policies
and would prefer to add you to their incedious grand scheme of putting as
many people as they can on a charity leash with people owing their
livelihoods to crumbs fed to them by Yahya himself. He wants people to queue
at his feet be it through gov't or his socalled charities to beg for a
living after he has consciously and deliberately destroyed your best
available means of sustenance. This is how tyrants scheme to control and
ultimately enslave their people.
The gov't would soon come out with another canard about how they have
great plans for the 2002 season with silly claims of visions worse than a
pipe dream . The only salvation is they would not be around come that time
and we would have a gov't that would finally work with the industry to move
forward.
Karamba
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General Gbako was power drunk. I saw some pictures of him hobnobbing with
the elite during his shopping trips to the most expensive malls in Abidjan.
He must have seen himself as the second coming of the late Papa Hophuet
Boigny.
Once he got a taste of power and wealth, he did not want to let go. But he
got what he deserves albeit, sadly, at a great cost to the economic beacon of
Africa.
Cote D'Ivoire still has tremendous issues to face. Foreigners make up about
25% of the 16 million population, and they have worked quite hard to help
make the country among the most stable economically and until recently
politically. In fact, the popular opposition leader, Outarra, was barred
from taking part in the elections because of his supposed nationality.
Gbako, the new president, has spoken against these same foreigners and their
offspring who are Ivorian by birth. This type of xenophobia cannot be
tolerated. And, in order to be a good leader, he needs to completely abandon
his xenophobic beliefs.
At this point, the jury is still out on Gbako. But I do sincerely hope that
the country recovers quickly from this tumultuous state.
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Our condolences to the families. May Allah grant them a place in Al Firdaus.
Ameen.
Jabou Joh
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family of Sam Jack , The Jow family and the entire extended family
regrets to announce the death of Ya Isatou Jobe commonly known as Tanta.
This sad event occurred yesterday. Our condolence to the family and to
Yusupha Jow. May her soul rest in perfect peace.
Chi Jamma,
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Karamba,
You have highlighted all the right elements missing in Government's strategy
for the Tourism Sector in The Gambia. With increase competetion from
destinations like Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire and Ghana (not to mention the more
established destinations in Europe, South America and the Caribean). The ADB
has offered, and Government has accepted, to review the entire sector with a
view to developing a blue print (Master Plan) for the sector. Tourism is
one of the few sectors without a blueprint as opposed to the agric.,
education and health sectors. As a private sector-driven sector,
Government's involvement will be limited to providing the necessary
environment (including tax incentives, less government bureaucratic red-tpe
etc.)for the private sector to operate freely without hinderance. The
political will and commitment must be there, of course, for it to happen and
succeed. By way of information, a two-day workshop is being sponsored by
Delloit & Touche from 1-2 November in which the problems facing the sector
will be diagnosed with the participation of the both expatriate, local
operators, local consultants of the likes of Batch Fye, Sheik Tejan Nyang,
Bax Touray, Abdou Njie etc. I may also be there to participate in the
discussions. I will keep you posted whether I attend or not. Alpha Barry a
partner at Delloit and Touche in The Gambia is coordinating the workshop.
What is currently in store may not be the answer to the huge problems facing
the sector but, in my view, a worthwhile attempt at addressing some the
issues you have raised in your piece. The Tourism Setor Study alluded to
earlier should commence early in the new year.
Sidi Sanneh
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Thanks for forwarding the article Pa, and i agree with Habib. I think that
the two of them were greedy together, and they got what they deserved.
Jabou
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My sincere condolences to all the mentioned families.May her soul rest in perfect peace.Aameen!
Elhajj.Mustapha Fye.
Sheikh Tejan Nyang skrev:
> Ya Nenneh Khan and the late Alh Badara Khan family, The Jarga Njie
> family of Sam Jack , The Jow family and the entire extended family
> regrets to announce the death of Ya Isatou Jobe commonly known as Tanta.
> This sad event occurred yesterday. Our condolence to the family and to
> Yusupha Jow. May her soul rest in perfect peace.
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> Chi Jamma,
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Yus,
My sentiments!
Ideally, Gbagbo should secure his future by calling for new elections
within 6 months time at the most, elections which shall be open to ALL
including himself. However, I seriously doubt if he shall do that. After all,
African "leaders" are not good students of history.... He is more likely
to try to "pull a Guei", which tends to happen more often than not in Africa.
In any case, as flawed as the case might be, he is the legitimate President of
that country as determined at the ballot box by the people. I wish him
luck, but more than anything else, I wish the people of Ivory coast all
the best.
Cheers!
Madiba.
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Something funny my daughter sent me.
Enjoy.
Jabou
From Chicken Soup for the College Soul ...
There is no joy quite like a visit from your college kid
after he's taken half a semester of Psychology 1.
Nosirree.
Suddenly you're living with Little Freud, and he's got your
number. With all this education, he now knows that a) your
habit of washing the dishes after each meal is
obsessive-compulsive, b) you smoke because you're orally
fixated, and c) you're making terrible mistakes raising his
younger brother.
No behavior escapes Little Freud's scrutiny. The simplest
conversations take on profoud and incomprehensible meaning.
Getting Little Freud out of bed in the morning, for
example, suddenly becomes a control issue:
"It's past noon," says the simple-minded mother. "Why
don't you get up?"
"Mom," says Little Freud in a voice fraught with meaningful
implication, "you're obsessing. You shouldn't disempower
me this way. Why allow my behavior to affect your own
sense of self? Besides, I have to stay in bed for a while
to experience the consciousness of my being when my being
is in nothingness."
"That's easy for you to say," says the simple-minded
mother. "But I say you're sleeping. Now get up and help
rake the leaves."
"Classic transference," says Little Freud in such a way
that the simple-minded mother can only conclude she must
have a psychic ailment as repulsive as fungus.
Little Freud also knows now that nothing is as simple as it
might seem. Calling him to dinner can set off an analysis
of your childhood:
"Dinner's ready," says Simple Mind.
"Don't you think it's time you stopped taking your Oedipal
rage out on me?" asks Little Freud. "Just because you
could never lure your father away from your mother is no
reason to resent me."
"What are you talking about?" asks Simple Mind. "I said
it's time to eat. What does that have to do with Oedipus?"
"In your unconscious, you associate food with pre-Oedipal
gratification, which sets off a chain of associative
thoughts leading straight to your rage, which you cannot
acknowledge and, therefore, you transfer your hostility to
me."
"Be quiet and eat your dinner before it gets cold," says
Simple Mind.
"Aha! says Little Freud, triumphant. "You see? Classic
regression."
Little Freud is also a skilled marriage counselor now that
he's done so much studying:
"I think it's time you two confronted your feelings,"
Little Freud tells his parents, who are simple-mindedly
enjoying a bottle of wine in front of the fireplace.
"We can't. We're playing cards," says Mr. Simple Mind.
"Your mother and I have a policy against confronting our
feelings and playing cards at the same time."
"Classic avoidance," declares Little Freud.
Little Freud is at his most eloquent, though, when he
points out how wrong his simple-minded parents are about
their method of raising kids:
"You're not parenting him properly," says Little Freud of
his younger brother. "You're too permissive, probably
because you're projecting your desire to be free of the
shackles of your own stifled childhood."
"What are you talking about?" says the simple-minded
mother, who is getting pretty tired of asking Little Freud
what he's talking about.
"And he also seems to have a lot of rage," says Little
Freud, plunging on. "His id has taken over, and his
super-ego has collapsed. He seems to be entertaining some
classic primordial fixations. In fact, I think he wants to
kill me."
"He doesn't really want to kill you, dear," says Simple
Mind. "I've hired him to do it for me."
"Classic projection," says Little Freud, disgustedly.
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Bro Sheikh,
Extend my sincere condolences to Alh.Bun Jallow & the whole family,and also the family of Alh.Mamma Jallow of
Kerr Mamma.May his soul rest in perfect peace.
Aameen!
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> The Jallow family of kerr cherno, Kah family, the late Alh A.J. Senghore
> family, Alh Mbye Jobe bandmaster and the entire followers of late Alh
> Cherno Baba Jallow regrets to announce the death of the halifa of ker
> cherno Alh Cherno Alfa Jallow. This sad event occurred yesterday. Our
> Condolence to the entire family and the talubes. May his soul rest in
> perfect peace.
> Chi Jamma.
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Ndey,
Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
Cheers!
Madiba.
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> Madiba,
>
> I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is another historic achievement in the
> continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators that "Power belong to the Masses".
> People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality especially in West Africa.
> Thanks to Sidi for all the information
>
> The Struggle Continues!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
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Sister Jabou,
Thank you for saying the whole truth about "The animals" we have in Africa.The
day for "our animal" will come very soon.The Ivorians and the Yugoslavians has
educated our people.Is the Gambian TV showing these pictures back home?
Regards
Elhajj.
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> << This is a reminder to all dictators that "Power belong to the Masses".
> People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
> especially in West Africa. >>
> *****************************
> Ndey, Madiba et al,
>
> It is indeed a real awakening, and in Africa finally. This message that power
> belongs to the people and that it is they who are represented by these
> leaders, and should therefore be able to choose who is fit to represent them
> based on how well they serve the business of the people, and get rid of them
> if they are not fit to do the job is finally hitting home. When the people
> realize that only by having a voice will our business be taken care of, and
> when they see the benefits of this all around them, they will have it no
> other way, and that force is something no dictator can stand up against. Let
> me say it again, that without the will of the people, no corrupt and inept
> dictator can prevail. It is as simple as that, and all the ordinary people
> will be amazed how much power they can have if they act collectively and in
> one voice.
>
> Jabou Joh
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Michelle M. Thompson ([log in to unmask]) has forwarded you this document
from the ReliefWeb Site.
This document unfortunately does not address completely the dire
situation facing refugees in Guinee. Lansana Conte is fueling the
anti-refugee stance and has stated that he wants ALL refugees from
Liberia and Sierra Leone rounded up and put in camps. I have
friends whose family members in Conakry describe the terror and
uncertainty that they face daily. Many of these so-called refugees
have lived and worked in Conakry for many years, since before the
wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone began. Let's hope that Guinee
will not be another crisis in West Africa.
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Source: US Committee for Refugees
Date: 10/19/00
Threat of Widening War in West Africa; 400,000 Refugees in Guinea Are
Vulnerable
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
The West African country of Guinea - which has hosted more refugees than
any other country in Africa for much of the past decade - finds itself
edging closer to the brink of war.
The U.S. Committee for Refugees (USCR) calls on the international community
to respond with greater urgency to the deteriorating security and
humanitarian situation in Guinea, and to take all necessary steps to
protect an estimated 400,000 refugees from other countries who live in
Guinea and face special protection problems. A USCR policy analyst is
currently in the region to assess the growing dangers.
Guinea, bordering the war-ravaged countries of Sierra Leone and Liberia,
has suffered 15 insurgent attacks that have killed some 360 people during
the past year, according to the Guinean government. The attacks are
believed to have come from Liberia and Sierra Leone. Uncounted numbers of
Guineans have become internally displaced in the widening violence, and the
number of uprooted people could grow if attacks continue.
Guinean troops allege that they shot down a Liberian military helicopter
yesterday along the border between the two countries. Liberian officials
deny the incident occurred. The governments of Guinea and Liberia have
regularly accused each other of supporting armed attacks in border areas.
The newest allegations, true or not, are certain to heighten military
tensions and will create greater risks for residents and refugees who
inhabit border villages and camps.
The widening cross-border violence has begun to destabilize Guinea and has
triggered a violent backlash in recent weeks against the hundreds of
thousands of Liberian and Sierra Leonean refugees who have sought
protection in Guinea from years of bloodshed in their own countries. After
years of relative hospitality toward refugees on their soil, Guinean
authorities and segments of Guinean society increasingly blame the refugee
population for bringing the violence of Sierra Leone and Liberia into
Guinea.
Guinean officials currently accuse Sierra Leonean refugees of harboring
Sierra Leone's notorious Revolutionary United Front rebels - a dubious
accusation given that the refugees originally fled to Guinea to escape
those same rebels. Refugees in Guinea have suffered a series of violent
attacks, rapes, detentions, and Guinean government-sponsored anti-refugee
propaganda since September. Humanitarian aid and protection for the
refugees have virtually ceased since a UN relief worker was killed in
Guinea Sept. 17 in a cross-border attack from Liberia.
Although tensions have risen dramatically in recent weeks, the potential
for widening violence was apparent a full year ago. A USCR report in
November 1999 warned that the "potential for additional security incidents
remains high, particularly in border areas and refugee zones of Guinea....
Odds are high that security incidents will occur in 2000." USCR warned last
November that many refugees living in Guinea "have encountered increased
harassment and detention by Guinean police and military, including
detentions, physical threats, and demands for bribes."
One of the largest international humanitarian agencies operating in Guinea,
the International Rescue Committee (IRC), reported Monday that "hospitality
toward refugees has run dangerously low" in Guinea and warned that "without
immediate assistance, refugees in Guinea face widespread food shortages."
IRC and other relief agencies have temporarily suspended most emergency aid
programs in Guinea because of security concerns.
"We need assurances of security for refugee and local Guinean populations
along the border, and safe access to refugee populations," IRC reported.
"The government of Guinea has the responsibility to ensure the safety of
refugee populations and humanitarian operations."
USCR concurs with the IRC recommendations. The Guinean government and the
UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) should immediately identify
acceptable new sites in Guinea to transfer refugee camps away from their
current dangerous border locations. USCR urges the UN refugee agency to
assign - immediately - additional high-level emergency staff to Guinea to
augment the efforts of UNHCR's depleted relief contingent in the country.
International donors, including the U.S. State Department's refugee bureau,
should immediately pledge the $13 million or more that UNHCR needs to
strengthen its staff in Guinea and to establish safer new refugee camps
there. The U.S. government, which currently has U.S. military personnel in
Guinea helping to train Guinean troops, should press Guinean authorities to
discipline their own troops and civilian militia and should push Guinean
authorities to provide proper protection to refugees on Guinean soil.
Contact: Jeff Drumtra (202) 347-3507
Copyright 2000, USCR
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Subject: [AfricaMatters] Report Shows Minorities Not Getting Flu Shots
Report Shows Minorities Not Getting Flu Shots
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Minorities including African-Americans and Hispanics=
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are much less likely than white Americans to get flu vaccines and shots to=
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prevent pneumonia, doctors said on Wednesday.=20
The National Medical Association (NMA), which represents doctors from ethni=
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workers make an extra effort to urge minorities to get vaccinated.=20
"The risk for contracting pneumococcal disease and influenza among=20
African-Americans and Hispanics older than 65 years of age, and especially=
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those who have chronic medical conditions, is an ever-present threat," the=
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NMA''s Dr. Bonnie Word, also a practicing pediatrician, told a news=20
conference.=20
"African-Americans, in particular appear to be at increased risk for=20
acquiring pneumococcal disease and the reasons for this are not fully=20
understood." Yet they are much less likely to be offered vaccines, Word sai=
d.=20
She cited a 1997 study that showed 53 percent of Hispanics and 45 percent o=
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blacks over the age of 65 got flu shots, as compared to 63 percent of older=
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whites. Only 22 percent of blacks and 23 percent of Hispanics get shots for=
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pneumococcal disease, as compared to 36 percent of whites.=20
Pneumococcal disease, which includes pneumonia and meningitis, can be a=20
deadly side-effect of the flu.=20
She said studies had shown that even when income, education and access to=
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doctors is factored in, blacks and Hispanics are still much less likely tha=
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whites to be offered a flu or pneumoccocal disease vaccination.=20
She said the NMA had launched a campaign aimed at doctors, nurses and other=
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healthcare workers to urge them to make sure minorities are offered the=20
vaccine.=20
Word said patients wrongly feared the flu vaccine would not work or would=
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have side-effects -- including actually giving them the flu. "Sometimes you=
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get seniors who don''t identify themselves as seniors," she added. "I have=
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had some people tell me they are religious and God will take care of them."=
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Studies show that people are just as likely to report flu-like symptoms=20
whether they have had a dummy flu shot or a real one. And while people are=
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used to being forced to immunize their children before they can enroll them=
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in school, they forget that adults need some shots, too.=20
"The concept of adult immunization is nonexistent," Word said.=20
Influenza kills, on average, 20,000 people a year in the United States and=
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puts 100,000 in the hospital. Pneumococcal disease, also easily prevented b=
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a vaccine, kills more than 10,000 Americans every year.=20
High-risk groups include anyone over the age of 65; anyone with immune=20
suppression associated with cancer treatment, HIV infection or some other=
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cause; women who will be past the first trimester of their pregnancies duri=
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flu season; and healthcare workers and others with regular contact with=20
people in the high-risk groups.=20
"Together, influenza and pneumococcal disease are the most common causes of=
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death in Americans from diseases that can be prevented by vaccines," U.S.=
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Surgeon-General Dr. David Satcher said.=20
"We must reach out to our older Hispanic and African-Americans to raise=20
awareness about the need for these vaccinations and help close the racial=
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health care gap."=20
Copyright =A9 2000 Reuters Limited
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Subject: [AfricaMatters] Summit asked to wash hands of bloody diamonds
Summit asked to wash hands of bloody diamonds
October 25 2000 at 07:23PM
London - Trade in "blood diamonds" - gems whose illicit sales help bankroll
some of Africa's most brutal civil wars - can be stemmed, but only through
concerted international effort, a top British official told a landmark
gathering on Wednesday.
The two-day conference, which opened on Wednesday in London, marked the most
wide-ranging assembly so far in the fight against so-called conflict
diamonds, the British organisers said.
Attending were delegates from 37 nations, including the world's largest
producers and refiners of diamonds, plus the European Union and the
industry's World Diamond Council.
Before heading into a series of closed-door talks participants heard an
impassioned plea from the foreign office minister, Peter Hain, to eliminate
the "scourge" of blood diamonds, a driving force behind insurgencies
including the vicious nine-year civil war in Sierra Leone.
'Nothing could be easier than carrying a diamond across a border'
Rebels in the West African nation have killed tens of thousands of civilians
and intentionally maimed many others.
"No one who has visited a refugee camp in Sierra Leone, as I did ... can
doubt the value and urgency of the task before us today," Hain told the
group. "No one who met women who had seen rebels lop off the arms and legs of
their children could fail to be moved. And no one could see these children
and not be angered."
The gathering was meant to foster a free exchange of views in advance of next
month's UN General Assembly debate on conflict diamonds.
Participants did not plan to issue a communique or formally vote on any new
guidelines, the organisers said.
In his opening remarks Hain acknowledged the enormous logistical difficulties
in preventing diamonds from being smuggled out of conflict zones and traded
for weapons.
'Cutting out this cancer from the world diamond trade is a real challenge'
"Nothing could be easier than carrying a diamond across a border," he said.
"Nothing could be harder than detecting the origin of a diamond once it has
been mixed with other diamonds from different mines."
To help stifle the illicit trade the diamond industry has called for
diamond-importing nations to prohibit rough diamonds unless they have gone
through a global certification process.
Existing controls require certificates of origin to state where a diamond was
last exported, but not where it was mined.
Measures adopted by the industry in July are meant to track diamonds from the
mine to the jewelry store, with severe penalties for dealers who break the
rules.
With the backing of governments involved a global certification process could
be in place by Christmas, Hain said.
In July the Security Council banned the purchase of Sierra Leone diamonds
without government certification, and in August, the UN panel monitoring
sanctions against Sierra Leone approved a new government plan to certify
diamonds, paving the way for the lifting of an export ban earlier this month.
Conflict diamonds represent only a fraction of world production but trade in
them hurts the entire industry, Hain said.
"Cutting out this cancer from the world diamond trade is a real challenge,"
he said. "We must ensure that the solution does not jeopardise the tens of
thousands of jobs worldwide which depend on the legitimate diamond trade." -
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A mighty salutation to all the members of the G-L family hence my long
absence from the net and my inability to contribute my humble perceptions
due to my current workload and engagements.
However, I could not simply contain my happiness and gratitude for those
brave and dynamic cousins of gambia in their resolve to see the backside of
one of africa's sorry mind and attitude. Brave to all.
I do only hope that, the baboon in Kanilai will wake up from his hibernation
and realize that people are Not going to tolerate any more idiotic and
self-centered leaders who are not interested in their welfare and the future
of their off springs. It is time Mr. Bokasa, the pendulum is swing your way,
and it is swinging fast if you don't realize.
These new waves of resistance will be here to stay as long as we are
bedmates with misfits and incompetent thieves like you and your thugs. To
the people on the ground, keep on educating the masses about all the
misdeeds of these butchers and their simplistic web of lies.
Once again, MOI from helsinki and i do very much hope to join u on a more
permanent bases than the past few months.
Kittos
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This posting was sent yesterday but rejected because I exceeded the limit.
By way of update, the situation has deteriorated this morning. The streets
of Abidjan are this time filled with Ouattara's supporters demanding a fresh
election in which their candidate will participate together with ALL the
others. South African Head of State and ECOWAS have both called for fresh
presidential elections to be held. It appears it ain't over until its over.
More details later.
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Beran and Bro.Habib,
This piece is just the beginning of self-serving interviews that former
members of the junta and supporters will be peddling in the weeks ahead in
an attempt to absolve themselves of blame. True, Mrs. Guei has been widely
seen as the main driving force behind Gen, Guei. She has also made very
inflamatory remarks during the campaign about "foreigners"who happen to be
second and third generation Ivorians despite the fact that she is Cape
Verdo-Senegalese. But as both of you agree, the ultimate decision to concede
defeat rests entirely with Guei as Head of State and not Mrs, Guei. It may
be of interest to note that as late as Monday when the votes counting was
interrupted by Guei and Gbagbo demanding that power be transfered peacefully
to him with all the guarantees cited in the piece, it was this very same
Sama who, as Information Minister, retorted that they were in the elections
to win and not in the business of handing over power. Sama is the most
recent appointee in the cabinet but has managed to be the least popular.
General Mathias Doua, on the other hand, has been very popular with the
youth of this country. He is noted for both his self-effacing
personality and professionalism. He was with the former number two man in
the junta, General Palemfo, in Sydney during the Olympics when Palemfo
decided to return home when, in his absence, his house was searched in his
for incriminating evidence following the attack on Guei's residence. Doua
offered to accompany Palemfo on his return journey even though he could have
been accused of siding with Palemfo who was already in trouble with the
junta because of his alleged clsoe associatiom with Ouattara but he urged
him to stay on since it was his duty to stay as the Minister of Sports.
During the campaign, Doua assumed an active role in the campaign (nothing
surprising about that per se since he was a memder of the military
government) But what surprised people was that General Doua stayed on this
long without resigning and actually participated in the campaign. He was
very uneasy about the entire process although he was one of the most
important leaders of the 24th December coup. Indeed, he is considered by
many to be the brain behind the December putschists. He is also widely
believed to have wanted Guei to keep his promise and hand over power to
civilians at the end of the transition. Mathias would not have survived
long under Guei's administration should he succeeded in pulling this one out
of a rabbit's hat. Duoa is a reluctant putchist. I believe he meant it when
he requested Guei to concede defeat. Looking around for some else to blame
is not the answer. Decent and honourable men and women are expected to
accept responsibility for their actions under any circumstance.
Sidi Sanneh
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Foreigners in any country are scapegoats EVEN in America. But the way that card is played in Africa needs to
be polished. Here the foreigners have rights over there they are at the mercy of the sitting presidents who
use them as cash cows or voters to ofset any elections.
I hope we all learn to respect each other as human begins first then put our nationalities last.
Good observation Yusupha
Best regards
Habib
Yusupha Jow wrote:
> General Gbako was power drunk. I saw some pictures of him hobnobbing with
> the elite during his shopping trips to the most expensive malls in Abidjan.
> He must have seen himself as the second coming of the late Papa Hophuet
> Boigny.
>
> Once he got a taste of power and wealth, he did not want to let go. But he
> got what he deserves albeit, sadly, at a great cost to the economic beacon of
> Africa.
>
> Cote D'Ivoire still has tremendous issues to face. Foreigners make up about
> 25% of the 16 million population, and they have worked quite hard to help
> make the country among the most stable economically and until recently
> politically. In fact, the popular opposition leader, Outarra, was barred
> from taking part in the elections because of his supposed nationality.
>
> Gbako, the new president, has spoken against these same foreigners and their
> offspring who are Ivorian by birth. This type of xenophobia cannot be
> tolerated. And, in order to be a good leader, he needs to completely abandon
> his xenophobic beliefs.
>
> At this point, the jury is still out on Gbako. But I do sincerely hope that
> the country recovers quickly from this tumultuous state.
>
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Several clashes have been reported this morning between the supporters of
Alassane Ouattara and Laurent Gbagbo in several parts of the country
including Abidjan and San Pedro. Some elements of the gendarmes are also
reported to have opened fire in the direction of the residence of Ouattara.
Mosques have been reported to have come under attack to from supporters of
Gbagbo. Concerning the whereabouts of Gen, Guei, a French Defence Ministry
spokesman is quoted as saying that "probably, Guei has made his way back to
his Abidjan residence" contrary to widely held view that he has fled to
Cotonou. Should this new twist to the story prove to be true, then there is
going to be some factional fighting unless serious mediation talks are
convened immediately, now that the situation is turning ugly with ethic and
religious overtones.
Meanwhile, South Africa, Togo, OAU and ECOWAS have all called for fresh
elections to be held in which all the political parties participate.
Sidi Sanneh
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Brother Sidi
Your analysis and views are clear as daylight.
What bothers me is more lives will be again lost with the new demands of Outtarra's people, which are also
very legitimate as he was forced out of the process by the late general Guei.
I think a new election as proposed by South Africa and Ecowas
Best regards
Habib
Sidi M Sanneh wrote:
> This posting was sent yesterday but rejected because I exceeded the limit.
> By way of update, the situation has deteriorated this morning. The streets
> of Abidjan are this time filled with Ouattara's supporters demanding a fresh
> election in which their candidate will participate together with ALL the
> others. South African Head of State and ECOWAS have both called for fresh
> presidential elections to be held. It appears it ain't over until its over.
> More details later.
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>
> Beran and Bro.Habib,
>
> This piece is just the beginning of self-serving interviews that former
> members of the junta and supporters will be peddling in the weeks ahead in
> an attempt to absolve themselves of blame. True, Mrs. Guei has been widely
> seen as the main driving force behind Gen, Guei. She has also made very
> inflamatory remarks during the campaign about "foreigners"who happen to be
> second and third generation Ivorians despite the fact that she is Cape
> Verdo-Senegalese. But as both of you agree, the ultimate decision to concede
> defeat rests entirely with Guei as Head of State and not Mrs, Guei. It may
> be of interest to note that as late as Monday when the votes counting was
> interrupted by Guei and Gbagbo demanding that power be transfered peacefully
> to him with all the guarantees cited in the piece, it was this very same
> Sama who, as Information Minister, retorted that they were in the elections
> to win and not in the business of handing over power. Sama is the most
> recent appointee in the cabinet but has managed to be the least popular.
> General Mathias Doua, on the other hand, has been very popular with the
> youth of this country. He is noted for both his self-effacing
> personality and professionalism. He was with the former number two man in
> the junta, General Palemfo, in Sydney during the Olympics when Palemfo
> decided to return home when, in his absence, his house was searched in his
> for incriminating evidence following the attack on Guei's residence. Doua
> offered to accompany Palemfo on his return journey even though he could have
> been accused of siding with Palemfo who was already in trouble with the
> junta because of his alleged clsoe associatiom with Ouattara but he urged
> him to stay on since it was his duty to stay as the Minister of Sports.
> During the campaign, Doua assumed an active role in the campaign (nothing
> surprising about that per se since he was a memder of the military
> government) But what surprised people was that General Doua stayed on this
> long without resigning and actually participated in the campaign. He was
> very uneasy about the entire process although he was one of the most
> important leaders of the 24th December coup. Indeed, he is considered by
> many to be the brain behind the December putschists. He is also widely
> believed to have wanted Guei to keep his promise and hand over power to
> civilians at the end of the transition. Mathias would not have survived
> long under Guei's administration should he succeeded in pulling this one out
> of a rabbit's hat. Duoa is a reluctant putchist. I believe he meant it when
> he requested Guei to concede defeat. Looking around for some else to blame
> is not the answer. Decent and honourable men and women are expected to
> accept responsibility for their actions under any circumstance.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
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Ideological Tolerance
Just because of a different
Economic concept, slumping
Me as an economic vagabond.
Because of a blue political ideology
From your reddish, is also a threat,
Snubbing me as a political vagabond.
A slight societal belief and more
Brain drains, an other foe,
Painting me as a sociological vagabond.
What a great amusement to the
World at large, merry go round
And round, if the guests' rooms
In Downy Street, Pennsylvania
Avenue, Marina Parade and all other
Taxpayers' buildings hosted men
With opposing views, in these guests
Rooms. Stereotyping, labeling, and
Intimidating BRAINS is very unethical,
So call them for coffee or "morr- morr."
Correction is not a challenge, but
A guide and flavor in anything.
Tolerance, tolerance, tolerating.
Not my government, but you're voted,
Then! is OUR government. Ideological
Conflict is not a supposition to send
A man in hell, instead to let him
Switch on the light for the dark side of
The assumed. A general perception
To explore or remedy, or nicely
Disseminate, is the right of the
Tongue via the lips.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
Note
"morr-morr" Gambian herb or tea.
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My deepest condolenses to all who have lost a dear one for the past few
days.May Allah
grant Al Jannah.Inshallah.
Fatou Mbasu Nyang
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My sincere condolences to all the mentioned families.May her soul rest in
perfect peace.Aameen!
Elhajj.Mustapha Fye.
Sheikh Tejan Nyang skrev:
> Ya Nenneh Khan and the late Alh Badara Khan family, The Jarga Njie
> family of Sam Jack , The Jow family and the entire extended family
> regrets to announce the death of Ya Isatou Jobe commonly known as Tanta.
> This sad event occurred yesterday. Our condolence to the family and to
> Yusupha Jow. May her soul rest in perfect peace.
>
> Chi Jamma,
> Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang.
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Dear Matarr,
Politics in Africa is different from what obtains in the West. The ugly
face of african politics has begun to show its ugly face in Cote d'Ivoire.
The art of compromise is woefully lacking as politicians go there merry way
of personalising it at the expense of the ordinary person on the street.
They bear, eventually, the brunt of the violence that inevitably ensue and
are turned into refugees over night.
The Ivory Coast situation has been deteriorating steadily in the last
several years and the last two days has been the worst it has ever been.
as reported elsewhere, the violence has now turned ugly with religious and
ethnic overtone. I have just been informed that General Mathias Doua, the
form
er number two (who is the subject of one of my stories), is reported to
be mediating between Ouattara and Gbagbo. He commands enough respect from
the army and many political factions to perhaps make a difference.
We are however keeping our heads low as reports reaching me suggests that
the Gbagbo supporters are targetting foreigners in the streets. I would
like to point out that the attacks I reported earlier were not restricted
to mosques alone. The Ouattara supporters were also reported to be
attacking churches. A very sad development indeed.
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Dawda,
I have always thought that the stuff was called MBORR-MBORR as opposed to
morr-morr. By the way, I am enjoying your poems. Please keep up the good
work and keep them coming.
Sidi Sanneh
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> Ideological Tolerance
>
>Just because of a different
>Economic concept, slumping
>Me as an economic vagabond.
>Because of a blue political ideology
>From your reddish, is also a threat,
>Snubbing me as a political vagabond.
>A slight societal belief and more
>Brain drains, an other foe,
>Painting me as a sociological vagabond.
>
>What a great amusement to the
>World at large, merry go round
>And round, if the guests' rooms
>In Downy Street, Pennsylvania
>Avenue, Marina Parade and all other
>Taxpayers' buildings hosted men
>With opposing views, in these guests
>Rooms. Stereotyping, labeling, and
>Intimidating BRAINS is very unethical,
>So call them for coffee or "morr- morr."
>
>Correction is not a challenge, but
>A guide and flavor in anything.
>Tolerance, tolerance, tolerating.
>Not my government, but you're voted,
>Then! is OUR government. Ideological
>Conflict is not a supposition to send
>A man in hell, instead to let him
>Switch on the light for the dark side of
>The assumed. A general perception
>To explore or remedy, or nicely
>Disseminate, is the right of the
>Tongue via the lips.
>
>Dawda Jallow.2000.
>
>Note
> "morr-morr" Gambian herb or tea.
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Greetings Bro Sheikh,
My sincere condolences to all who lost a family member lately. Thanks for these
information.
Momodou Camara
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Please disregard the " no subject poem" it's a clicker error.
Ideological Tolerance
Just because of a different
Economic concept, slumping
Me as an economic vagabond.
Because of a blue political ideology
From your reddish, is also a threat,
Snubbing me as a political vagabond.
A slight societal belief and more
Brain drains, an other foe,
Painting me as a sociological vagabond.
What a great amusement to the
World at large, merry go round
And round, if the guess rooms
In Downy Street, Pennsylvania
Avenue, Marina Parade and all other
Taxpayers' buildings hosted men
With opposing views, in these guess
Rooms. Stereotyping, labeling, and
Intimidating BRAINS is very unethical,
So call them for coffee or "mborr- mborr."
Correction is not a challenge, but
A guide and flavor in anything.
Tolerance, tolerance, tolerating.
Not my government, but you're voted,
Then! is OUR government. Ideological
Conflict is not a supposition to send
A man in hell, instead to allow him
Switch on the light for the dark side of
The assumed. A general perception
To explore or remedy, or nicely
Disseminate, is the right of the
Tongue via the lips.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
Note
"mborr-mborr" Gambian herb or tea.
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Karamba and Sidi,
Thanks for your comments on the sector which is in deep crizes but hopefully we will be deliberating on the
major issues affecting the sector and do hope that this time we will move forward.
The major problems with the sector is as follows;
1; The inadequate infrastructure resulting to constant power cuts.--
2. Seasonally constrains
3 Lack of positive thinking technical Director within the Department of State for Tourism
4. Lack of government commitment in plowing back part of the receipts from tourism for the promotion of the
sector.
5. The need for a new image different from The smiling coast which was adopted as a slogan since 1981.
6. Insecurity in hotels, rule of hire and fire, remuneration's and incentives.
7. Drainage of foreign exchange earnings for importation of items for tourism consumption.
8. Lack of attention on the social problems of the sector i.e. Increase or accelerated rate of prostitution,
homosexuality, bumster problems etc
9.Lack of further training facilities overseas for Gambians.
10. Lack of tax incentives to investors especially Tour operator.
With due respect Karamba , the new Secretary of State for Tourism Yankuba Touray has made a good start since
he took over. HE has commissioned a study for the creation of a tourism authority and has also commission
the classification of hotel all which will be adopted at the conference. These two areas are of great
importance to the sector.You will be sup rise to learn that these were part of our tourism policy adopted
for 1995-2000 and never implemented. My rating for the policy is 10 over 100. Does this give you an idea how
badly the industry needed action ?
I hope to bring you an update after the workshop.
Chi Jamma
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> As reported in the Daily Observer today, the tourism industry is facing an
> unmitigating disaster this season. They are expecting the lowest number of
> visitors ever, continuing a downward spiral that if unchecked might doom the
> industry entirely. The thousands of people who make their living either
> directly or through associated services catering to tourism would sadly be
> consigned to what this government wrought on the larger Gambian community be
> it farmers, civil servants and small businesspeople. A sector as crucial and
> full of potential as Tourism is left to literally wither in the vines through
> lack of funding, poor management and utter callousness. What Yahya Jammeh has
> done is to allocate a few million Dalasis (about D6million the last time I
> checked) and appoint a political hatchetman who doesn't even know how to
> fold a napkin much less improve the hospitality industry. The few talented
> people in the ministry who can actually craft ideas lack the clout to see
> their work through. As a result while Tourism officials from other countries
> use valuable time and effort courting business and persuading operators to
> come to Cape verde or Senegal, Yankuba Touray is busy frothing his mouth
> about how great Yahya Jammeh is and how he intends to give this to that
> group in two years! The result is very predictable in that he will almost
> certainly run the industry to the ground because the remaining hotels can't
> sustain operations much less grow if the visitors are choosing somewhereelse.
> The industry receives no tangible incentives and must often times contend
> with ever-increasing tax rates, onerous regulations and a host of other
> circumstances not conducive to business in general. What the industry needs
> most is a government that is focused on nurturing the private sector in
> general and is committed to making it the engine of growth and prosperity. In
> their case, such a government would make tourism a priority by establishing a
> professionally run and adequately funded agency with a clear mandate to
> aggressively court tour operators to bring in the visitors. Parallel to that,
> the gov't would work with the industry to help them improve services through
> incentive provisions and other ancillary things the gov't can do to make
> their visitors have a pleasant stay. Part of the reason some visitors don't
> return is because as it is ,Gambia provides a qualitatively inadequate
> experience for visitors compared to our competitors. It is a disgrace that
> even the very few sites we offer to our visitors be in Juffuray or Fort
> bullen are so poorly kept or organized that going there is much of a chore
> than a nice outing. Having some poor lady mumbling on a ramshackle stool
> about Kunta Kinteh is not a profound encounter for anybody and the truth is
> there is sufficient history and sites to make them all great.Another option a
> different gov't would consider is to initiate a partnering scheme in which
> tax rates for Tourism related businesses would be reduced with the
> understanding that savings realized would be invested into improving
> services. The rationale for such a deal would be that an improved product
> would in the longer term grow the industry and also serve as a strong
> incentive for newcomers to come in an invest. You will not attract investors
> into country with near confiscatory taxes coupled with a government that is
> generally considered vile and indolent.
> In the meantime the good people of the tourism industry would have to
> endure another failed season with all its effect on the people who are trying
> do their bit to both take care of their families and lift the nation in the
> process. Like the rest of the nation they have this albatross called Yahya
> Jammeh hanging over their neck. He and his cronies who collectively are
> unlikely to succeed in any merit based endeavor have nonetheless made
> themselves custodians of our nation's fate. What they have done to destroy
> tourism is representative of their overall record spanning the gov't . They
> have neither the ability nor even the inclination to do right by the tourism
> industry . They would substitute lies and threats for substantive policies
> and would prefer to add you to their incedious grand scheme of putting as
> many people as they can on a charity leash with people owing their
> livelihoods to crumbs fed to them by Yahya himself. He wants people to queue
> at his feet be it through gov't or his socalled charities to beg for a
> living after he has consciously and deliberately destroyed your best
> available means of sustenance. This is how tyrants scheme to control and
> ultimately enslave their people.
> The gov't would soon come out with another canard about how they have
> great plans for the 2002 season with silly claims of visions worse than a
> pipe dream . The only salvation is they would not be around come that time
> and we would have a gov't that would finally work with the industry to move
> forward.
> Karamba
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Mr. Sanneh,
I appreciate it well and we'll add the "M". Step in anytime, and
thanks also for the encouragement.
Dawda.
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I sent this last night but still it has not posted so I will try to
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Sorry if it posted but I did not see it yet.
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To the Family and Friends of Ya Isatou Jobe:
Though my words along with those of everyone else can do little to
comfort you, we hope our thoughts and prayers will help support you at
this time. May her soul rest in peace. I am truly sorry for your
great loss. "Blessed be the sorrow that is shared." God Bless You!
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To the Family and Friends of Alh Cherno Alfa Jallow:
I am truly sorry for your great loss! May his soul rest in peace.
Hoping that you will feel God close to you in your time of need. May
you draw strength as you trust in His unfailing love and in His never-
ending comfort. He is truly there for you now and forever if you let
Him. God Bless You!
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Market Place: Bond Market Signals Worry Over Economy
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Popular Uprising Ends Rule of General in Ivory Coast
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First Bodies Are Removed From Sunken Russian Sub
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Yugoslavia Is Expected to Rejoin United Nations
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PlayStation 2 as Trojan Horse
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Literary Sleuth Casts Doubt on the Authorship of an Iconic
Christmas Poem
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Playful and Painful Contrasts as China Meets Mississippi in
Dance
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A Museum Wing to Bear Witness to Jewish Life
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/arts/26JEWI.html
Garth Fagan's First Images Reverberate in New Work
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Mrs. Clinton Says She Will Return Money Raised by a Muslim
Group
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/politics/26HILL.html
Fugitive Arrested in Austria After a Year on the Run
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/nyregion/26FUGI.html
Craving Series Tickets? Gulping Hot Sauce Might Do the Trick
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/sports/26TIXX.html
Endorsements and Poll Results Lend Momentum to Franks's
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By BOB HERBERT: At Last, the Issues
With less than two weeks to go until Election Day, and with
the debates over, the media can be expected to focus less on
personality and more on what should be the real issues of
this campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/opinion/26HERB.html
By WILLIAM SAFIRE: The Great Mentioning
As the presidential election draws near, one pundit offers
two potential casts of characters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/26/opinion/26SAFI.html
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:41:17 -0400
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Madiba & N'dey:
Gen. Robert Geui's removal from office through a spontaneous revolt by
the Ivorian People is indeed remarkable.
A year from now Gambians could also be holding a Presidential election.
And if it is free and fair, Jammeh would be defeated. Unfortunately, he
is more than likely to try and repeat the 1996 Presidential election
through delays, cancellations and engineering of the results. This
"Soldier-Turned-President" syndrome must end!
Therefore, we must all double our efforts and continue to agitate for
free and fair elections with international observers. Let us also
financially support the opposition parties.
Abdoulaye
No justice, no peace!
Jammeh Must GO!
Madiba Saidy wrote:
>
> Ndey,
>
> Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
> dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
> illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
> book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
> Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Madiba.
>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
>
> > Madiba,
> >
> > I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is another historic achievement in the
> > continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> > make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> > well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators that "Power belong to the Masses".
> > People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality especially in West Africa.
> > Thanks to Sidi for all the information
> >
> > The Struggle Continues!!
> > Ndey Jobarteh
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:37:33 EDT
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In a recent BBC 'Talking Point' discussion the question was posed: 'The
attempt to return the Ivory Coast to civilian rule has ended in acrimony and
violence. So do elections really solve anything or do they simply bring a
new set of problems?'
My response was: 'African elections can solve problems if they are free,
fair and transparent from the onset. If you have an electoral process that
is hijacked from the get go by a dictator (e.g. Ivory Coast), the elections
will create more problems than they will solve. People who feel robbed by
the dictatorship will try to take the law into their own hands. So long as
African governments refuse to ensure a level playing field for all political
parties, elections will continue to be a problem for Africans.
Kebba Dampha'
At that time, little did people know that the situation in Ivory Coast was
going to deteriorate to this level. There are reports that more than twenty
people were killed in clashes between Gbagbo and Ouattarra supporters.
Something that most African leaders take for granted is the basic notion of
fairness. What is wrong with having another election contest in Ivory Coast
and may the best candidate win? The behavior evinced by Guei and now Gbagbo
is why there cannot be peace in our nations. There is rampant injustice and
unfairness. Animalistic instincts will always urge man to revert back to the
notion of survival of the fittest. But civilized societies put a check on
those instincts by legislating societal norms that frown on such behavior.
Maybe Bill Clinton and the Democrats would have liked to see Clinton run for
a third term. But the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbids that.
It is unheard of to think that Bill Clinton will declare a state of
emergency and use the military to force Congress to repeal the 22nd
Amendment. The reason this notion is so ridiculous is because people in the
U.S. will not allow that to happen. There will be millions ready to put
their lives on the line to make sure that that does not happen. Well this
notion might be laughable in the U.S., but that is exactly what our rulers
in Africa do to us all the time. They use brute force and turn the laws and
norms upside down so that they can perpetuate themselves in power. Africans
should also reach a level where our societies will set certain basic
parameters and ensure that people that want to rule us operate within those
parameters. If Colin Powell wanted to use his contacts in the Defense
Department in the U.S. to try and install George Bush as president, Powell
will be admitted into a mental home. We should also reach a stage where if
thugs like Yaya wake up and want to hijack the country, we will capture them
and lock them up at Campama. But most of the time, we will have very selfish
and complacent people that will try very hard to see some good in the
dictatorship and will appease the dictatorship and help it entrench itself.
That is why Ouattarra and his supporters should not let go of things as they
are right now. They should force Gbagbo to do the right thing and call fresh
elections for everyone. They should not buy any empty promises from Gbagbo.
Not too long ago Guei made promises that every ten year old knew he would
not keep. Dictatorships have to be attacked from the onset and they should
be attacked decisively. To me, it is as clear as daylight what needs to be
done in Ivory Coast. The players also know what is the right thing to do.
But left to their selfish desires, they will not do it. They need to form a
government of national unity, repeal the unfair constitutional provisions
that prevented legitimate contestants from running in the October elections,
hold free and fair elections within three months. During all this time, the
army and other security forces should stay out of the political scene. They
should not side with any party. There is nothing wrong (per se) with a
constitutional provision that requires presidential candidates to fit
certain nationality criteria. In the U.S., naturalized citizens are not
allowed to run for president. But the difference with the Ivorian situation
is that in Ivory Coast, xenophobia and corruption is what is behind this
legislation as opposed to national security concerns. Furthermore, I
understand that the courts during the military regime would not even allow
the guy to prove that he falls within the required criteria. What the
authorities in Ivory Coast are trying to do, is reposition the goal-post
during the game. That is wrong. They should not just promulgate a law
targeted at disenfranchising certain opponents.
Opposition parties in Gambia should learn a very important lesson here.
Parameters have to be set well before the elections. The opposition has to
be united in its resolve to enforce the rules set for a free and fair
electoral PROCESS. The opposition should be ready to challenge the
authorities if the process is violated. When that time comes, there should
be no fence-sitting and tactical maneuvering. Gbagbo is currently suffering
because he was a hypocrite. Had he sided with the rest of the opposition
against Guei's clearly illegal and unethical moves, his (Gbagbo's)
supporters would not be in the streets battling supporters of Allasane
Ouattarra. He would not have had problems being recognized as president of
Ivory Coast by nations like France and the U.S. In short, these slimy
tactics always fail. The system can work for us if our leaders have the
political will and the good heart to do what is right. God will not come
from the skies to fight our battles. If parliament in Gambia refuses to pass
legislation that can make local government elections materialize, the
opposition should force the parliament to do its job. If the IEC chairman
shows some corrupt and cowardly tendencies, the opposition should ensure
that he is removed. If we have a British High Commissioner in the Gambia who
makes statements that makes you wonder whether the guy actually lives in the
country, it is the duty of the opposition to educate the gentleman. If we
have a government that would massacre defenseless children in broad
daylight, it is the job of the opposition to ensure that justice is done.
KB
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Mr. Dampha:
I could not agree more with your analysis and your answer to the BBC
question. A life lost in any election is one too many. But until the
day comes when Africans can freely choose their leaders without violence
and intimidation and those voted in assume power peacefully, we must
continue to insist on "free and fair elections" with international
observers.
The flawed elections and rigged results in The Ivory Coast and
Yugoslavia about a month ago, must not be underestimated as they indeed
served as the catalyst for mass revolts. I suspect that the regrettable
loss of life in both case may be much lower than a potential, protracted
civil war. Given the choice between the two, I will opt for free and
fair elections and work toward its realization. It is a normative
preference and this does not detract from your professed choice.
Cheers!
Abdoulaye
Dampha Kebba wrote:
>
> In a recent BBC 'Talking Point' discussion the question was posed: 'The
> attempt to return the Ivory Coast to civilian rule has ended in acrimony and
> violence. So do elections really solve anything or do they simply bring a
> new set of problems?'
>
> My response was: 'African elections can solve problems if they are free,
> fair and transparent from the onset. If you have an electoral process that
> is hijacked from the get go by a dictator (e.g. Ivory Coast), the elections
> will create more problems than they will solve. People who feel robbed by
> the dictatorship will try to take the law into their own hands. So long as
> African governments refuse to ensure a level playing field for all political
> parties, elections will continue to be a problem for Africans.
> Kebba Dampha'
>
> At that time, little did people know that the situation in Ivory Coast was
> going to deteriorate to this level. There are reports that more than twenty
> people were killed in clashes between Gbagbo and Ouattarra supporters.
> Something that most African leaders take for granted is the basic notion of
> fairness. What is wrong with having another election contest in Ivory Coast
> and may the best candidate win? The behavior evinced by Guei and now Gbagbo
> is why there cannot be peace in our nations. There is rampant injustice and
> unfairness. Animalistic instincts will always urge man to revert back to the
> notion of survival of the fittest. But civilized societies put a check on
> those instincts by legislating societal norms that frown on such behavior.
> Maybe Bill Clinton and the Democrats would have liked to see Clinton run for
> a third term. But the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbids that.
> It is unheard of to think that Bill Clinton will declare a state of
> emergency and use the military to force Congress to repeal the 22nd
> Amendment. The reason this notion is so ridiculous is because people in the
> U.S. will not allow that to happen. There will be millions ready to put
> their lives on the line to make sure that that does not happen. Well this
> notion might be laughable in the U.S., but that is exactly what our rulers
> in Africa do to us all the time. They use brute force and turn the laws and
> norms upside down so that they can perpetuate themselves in power. Africans
> should also reach a level where our societies will set certain basic
> parameters and ensure that people that want to rule us operate within those
> parameters. If Colin Powell wanted to use his contacts in the Defense
> Department in the U.S. to try and install George Bush as president, Powell
> will be admitted into a mental home. We should also reach a stage where if
> thugs like Yaya wake up and want to hijack the country, we will capture them
> and lock them up at Campama. But most of the time, we will have very selfish
> and complacent people that will try very hard to see some good in the
> dictatorship and will appease the dictatorship and help it entrench itself.
> That is why Ouattarra and his supporters should not let go of things as they
> are right now. They should force Gbagbo to do the right thing and call fresh
> elections for everyone. They should not buy any empty promises from Gbagbo.
> Not too long ago Guei made promises that every ten year old knew he would
> not keep. Dictatorships have to be attacked from the onset and they should
> be attacked decisively. To me, it is as clear as daylight what needs to be
> done in Ivory Coast. The players also know what is the right thing to do.
> But left to their selfish desires, they will not do it. They need to form a
> government of national unity, repeal the unfair constitutional provisions
> that prevented legitimate contestants from running in the October elections,
> hold free and fair elections within three months. During all this time, the
> army and other security forces should stay out of the political scene. They
> should not side with any party. There is nothing wrong (per se) with a
> constitutional provision that requires presidential candidates to fit
> certain nationality criteria. In the U.S., naturalized citizens are not
> allowed to run for president. But the difference with the Ivorian situation
> is that in Ivory Coast, xenophobia and corruption is what is behind this
> legislation as opposed to national security concerns. Furthermore, I
> understand that the courts during the military regime would not even allow
> the guy to prove that he falls within the required criteria. What the
> authorities in Ivory Coast are trying to do, is reposition the goal-post
> during the game. That is wrong. They should not just promulgate a law
> targeted at disenfranchising certain opponents.
> Opposition parties in Gambia should learn a very important lesson here.
> Parameters have to be set well before the elections. The opposition has to
> be united in its resolve to enforce the rules set for a free and fair
> electoral PROCESS. The opposition should be ready to challenge the
> authorities if the process is violated. When that time comes, there should
> be no fence-sitting and tactical maneuvering. Gbagbo is currently suffering
> because he was a hypocrite. Had he sided with the rest of the opposition
> against Guei's clearly illegal and unethical moves, his (Gbagbo's)
> supporters would not be in the streets battling supporters of Allasane
> Ouattarra. He would not have had problems being recognized as president of
> Ivory Coast by nations like France and the U.S. In short, these slimy
> tactics always fail. The system can work for us if our leaders have the
> political will and the good heart to do what is right. God will not come
> from the skies to fight our battles. If parliament in Gambia refuses to pass
> legislation that can make local government elections materialize, the
> opposition should force the parliament to do its job. If the IEC chairman
> shows some corrupt and cowardly tendencies, the opposition should ensure
> that he is removed. If we have a British High Commissioner in the Gambia who
> makes statements that makes you wonder whether the guy actually lives in the
> country, it is the duty of the opposition to educate the gentleman. If we
> have a government that would massacre defenseless children in broad
> daylight, it is the job of the opposition to ensure that justice is done.
> KB
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Sheikh Tejan,
Thank you for your list of issues that plague the sector presently. I might
add that some fundamental issues would have to be addressed if the sector is
to be revilatised to stay competitive. Issues such as product
diversification, all inclusive, the role of government, the tax regime etc.
The workshop will certainly cover these issues but I am of the view that
long term solutions to these and other structural and policy issues can only
come with a comprehensive study with extensive consultations with private
operators, local entrepreneurs, civic society etc. Economic/financial
analysis of the various options available to determine their viability. For
example, recently there has been talk of cultural and eco-tourism. Are these
strategies viable, what does Gambia have to offer in this domain etc. etc.
The comparative advantage enjoyed by the sector is fast dissipating and
every effort must be made to arrest this decline. The environmental issues
must also be addressed comprehensively and thus the need to finalise the
Coastal Erosion Study so that beach erosion problem can be addressed
expeditiously as well.
Since it does not appear that I will be able to travel next week (due to the
number of work days lost as a result of recent events in Abidjan), I take
this opportunity to wish you and the rest of the participants successful
deliberations. Both the ADB and IFC will participate in the workshop.
Thanks
Sidi Sanneh
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>Karamba and Sidi,
>Thanks for your comments on the sector which is in deep crizes but
>hopefully we will be deliberating on the
>major issues affecting the sector and do hope that this time we will move
>forward.
>The major problems with the sector is as follows;
>1; The inadequate infrastructure resulting to constant power cuts.--
>2. Seasonally constrains
>3 Lack of positive thinking technical Director within the Department of
>State for Tourism
>4. Lack of government commitment in plowing back part of the receipts from
>tourism for the promotion of the
>sector.
>5. The need for a new image different from The smiling coast which was
>adopted as a slogan since 1981.
>6. Insecurity in hotels, rule of hire and fire, remuneration's and
>incentives.
>7. Drainage of foreign exchange earnings for importation of items for
>tourism consumption.
>8. Lack of attention on the social problems of the sector i.e. Increase or
>accelerated rate of prostitution,
>homosexuality, bumster problems etc
>9.Lack of further training facilities overseas for Gambians.
>
>10. Lack of tax incentives to investors especially Tour operator.
>With due respect Karamba , the new Secretary of State for Tourism Yankuba
>Touray has made a good start since
>he took over. HE has commissioned a study for the creation of a tourism
>authority and has also commission
>the classification of hotel all which will be adopted at the conference.
>These two areas are of great
>importance to the sector.You will be sup rise to learn that these were part
>of our tourism policy adopted
>for 1995-2000 and never implemented. My rating for the policy is 10 over
>100. Does this give you an idea how
>badly the industry needed action ?
>
>I hope to bring you an update after the workshop.
>Chi Jamma
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> > As reported in the Daily Observer today, the tourism industry is facing
>an
> > unmitigating disaster this season. They are expecting the lowest number
>of
> > visitors ever, continuing a downward spiral that if unchecked might doom
>the
> > industry entirely. The thousands of people who make their living either
> > directly or through associated services catering to tourism would sadly
>be
> > consigned to what this government wrought on the larger Gambian
>community be
> > it farmers, civil servants and small businesspeople. A sector as crucial
>and
> > full of potential as Tourism is left to literally wither in the vines
>through
> > lack of funding, poor management and utter callousness. What Yahya
>Jammeh has
> > done is to allocate a few million Dalasis (about D6million the last time
>I
> > checked) and appoint a political hatchetman who doesn't even know how
>to
> > fold a napkin much less improve the hospitality industry. The few
>talented
> > people in the ministry who can actually craft ideas lack the clout to
>see
> > their work through. As a result while Tourism officials from other
>countries
> > use valuable time and effort courting business and persuading operators
>to
> > come to Cape verde or Senegal, Yankuba Touray is busy frothing his mouth
> > about how great Yahya Jammeh is and how he intends to give this to that
> > group in two years! The result is very predictable in that he will
>almost
> > certainly run the industry to the ground because the remaining hotels
>can't
> > sustain operations much less grow if the visitors are choosing
>somewhereelse.
> > The industry receives no tangible incentives and must often times
>contend
> > with ever-increasing tax rates, onerous regulations and a host of other
> > circumstances not conducive to business in general. What the industry
>needs
> > most is a government that is focused on nurturing the private sector in
> > general and is committed to making it the engine of growth and
>prosperity. In
> > their case, such a government would make tourism a priority by
>establishing a
> > professionally run and adequately funded agency with a clear mandate to
> > aggressively court tour operators to bring in the visitors. Parallel to
>that,
> > the gov't would work with the industry to help them improve services
>through
> > incentive provisions and other ancillary things the gov't can do to make
> > their visitors have a pleasant stay. Part of the reason some visitors
>don't
> > return is because as it is ,Gambia provides a qualitatively inadequate
> > experience for visitors compared to our competitors. It is a disgrace
>that
> > even the very few sites we offer to our visitors be in Juffuray or Fort
> > bullen are so poorly kept or organized that going there is much of a
>chore
> > than a nice outing. Having some poor lady mumbling on a ramshackle stool
> > about Kunta Kinteh is not a profound encounter for anybody and the truth
>is
> > there is sufficient history and sites to make them all great.Another
>option a
> > different gov't would consider is to initiate a partnering scheme in
>which
> > tax rates for Tourism related businesses would be reduced with the
> > understanding that savings realized would be invested into improving
> > services. The rationale for such a deal would be that an improved
>product
> > would in the longer term grow the industry and also serve as a strong
> > incentive for newcomers to come in an invest. You will not attract
>investors
> > into country with near confiscatory taxes coupled with a government that
>is
> > generally considered vile and indolent.
> > In the meantime the good people of the tourism industry would have
>to
> > endure another failed season with all its effect on the people who are
>trying
> > do their bit to both take care of their families and lift the nation in
>the
> > process. Like the rest of the nation they have this albatross called
>Yahya
> > Jammeh hanging over their neck. He and his cronies who collectively are
> > unlikely to succeed in any merit based endeavor have nonetheless made
> > themselves custodians of our nation's fate. What they have done to
>destroy
> > tourism is representative of their overall record spanning the gov't .
>They
> > have neither the ability nor even the inclination to do right by the
>tourism
> > industry . They would substitute lies and threats for substantive
>policies
> > and would prefer to add you to their incedious grand scheme of putting
>as
> > many people as they can on a charity leash with people owing their
> > livelihoods to crumbs fed to them by Yahya himself. He wants people to
>queue
> > at his feet be it through gov't or his socalled charities to beg for a
> > living after he has consciously and deliberately destroyed your best
> > available means of sustenance. This is how tyrants scheme to control and
> > ultimately enslave their people.
> > The gov't would soon come out with another canard about how they
>have
> > great plans for the 2002 season with silly claims of visions worse than
>a
> > pipe dream . The only salvation is they would not be around come that
>time
> > and we would have a gov't that would finally work with the industry to
>move
> > forward.
> > Karamba
> >
> >
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Hi!
I hope everyone's fine out there. I have been terribly busy and have =
completely lost touch with what's happening on the L. I however got this =
from Musa Ngum's African News page ( =
http://w1.853.telia.com/~u85309812/africannews.htm ) and thought I'd =
share it with y'all. I salute Youssou Ndure for this noble project. Have =
a good evening.
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Senegalese musician launches African Internet initiative
By ANN HARRISON=20
(October 26, 2000) Youssou N'Dour, the revered Senegalese musician who =
introduced many Westerners to the rhythms of African popular music, is =
now launching an ambitious plan to bring Africans into the online =
community.=20
At a meeting of celebrity United Nations "goodwill ambassadors" in New =
York this week, N'Dour announced the creation of the Joko Project, which =
seeks to build affordable Internet access centers in Senegal and other =
African countries as well as a Web site that will contain African =
cultural content. The Internet-related project is the flagship program =
for a new nonprofit foundation called the Youth Network for Development =
that N'Dour has set up in Senegal's capital city, Dakar.=20
"I want to make sure that the Internet becomes a core part of African =
culture, so that African youth are not locked out of the new digital =
economy," N'Dour said during a press conference. "Countries that lack =
the resources and skills to take part in the Internet revolution may =
never achieve independence in the world economy."=20
In Wolof, a native Senegalese language, "joko" means "connection" or =
"link." Formal development work on the Joko Project is due to start in =
January, with N'Dour's schedule calling for the new Web site and an =
initial set of Internet access centers to be operational by next spring. =
The pilot phase of the project calls for the creation of nine Joko Clubs =
in Senegal to provide computer access and training. American and =
European mentors will teach Web-content development skills to the =
Senegalese participants. Nine smaller Joko facilities are due to be =
built in Europe, Africa and North America for use by Senegalese =
expatriates who want to remain in touch with family members and friends =
online.=20
Lisa Goldman, Joko Project co-director and former president and CEO of a =
San Francisco-based Internet development company, said the project will =
create 65 professional Internet development jobs in Senegal during the =
first year of its existence. Senegal's existing telecommunications =
infrastructure provides some Internet access now, Goldman noted. But she =
said 99% of the current network traffic goes to Web sites outside the =
country because there is virtually no local content.=20
Goldman said the ultimate goal is to use the cultural aspects of the =
Internet to help foster online entrepreneurial skills among users in =
Senegal. "Our premise is that economic growth will derive out of strong =
local Internet culture in Africa, [the same] as it did in America," she =
said.=20
Hewlett-Packard Co. said it's signing on as a sponsor of the Joko =
initiative, as part of the computer and software maker's Worldwide HP =
e-Inclusion Project. Lyle Hurst, director of the e-Inclusion Project at =
HP, said details of the company's sponsorship would be announced at a =
later date. The Joko Project also is seeking support from other =
companies and charitable organizations.=20
Plans for the Joko Web site include contributions by Senegalese =
musicians and access to health care information, including data about =
AIDS and other diseases. N'Dour noted that the population of Africa is =
young, with 62% of Senegalese being under the age of 24. "We need to =
concentrate on creating opportunity for them," he said. "They want to =
communicate with each other and with the world."=20
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Hi!
This is a forward from Musa Ngum's homepage. Get the latest African =
News at: http://w1.853.telia.com/~u85309812/africannews.htm
Thanks.
=
Buharry.
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Ivorian People's Revolt Sours, Gbagbo Urges Unity=20
By Silvia Aloisi=20
ABIDJAN (Reuters) - Ivory Coast's ``people's power'' revolt turned sour =
on Thursday, with political and ethnic rivals killing one another with =
machetes and clubs and attacking churches and mosques.=20
Supporters of the traditionally stable West African nation's new =
President Laurent Gbagbo and his Muslim political rival Alassane =
Ouattara fought bloody clashes in the main city Abidjan over Ouattara's =
demand for a fresh presidential election.=20
It was a call supported by a string of countries and personalities =
including the United States and U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan.=20
Gbagbo, in his inaugural address after being proclaimed winner of =
Sunday's presidential election, appealed for national reconciliation.=20
But he rejected the calls for a new poll saying that a parliamentary =
election on December 10 would go ahead as planned.=20
``I pledge before you. We will not write a new constitution. We will not =
hold another presidential election,'' Gbagbo, 55, said, adding that he =
would respect a pledge to the presidents of Togo and Benin and form a =
national unity government.=20
``I will respect this undertaking and set up a broad-based government of =
national unity,'' he said.=20
At least 25 people were killed in Thursday's violence, adding to around =
60 killed in the two-day ``people power'' protests that swept military =
ruler General Robert Guei from power in the world's top cocoa producer =
on Wednesday.=20
Cocoa futures closed firmer in London on Thursday but fell back as =
traders continued to monitor events in Ivory Coast.=20
The Security Ministry imposed a night curfew and the armed forces warned =
they would shoot on sight anyone breaking it.=20
Appeals For Calm=20
Spokesmen for Gbagbo's and Ouattara's parties appeared on state =
television together to issue joint appeals for calm.=20
``If we are not careful, we are going to plunge the country into a =
spiral of violence,'' Moise Lida Kouassi of Gbagbo's Ivorian Popular =
Front (FPI) said. ``I appeal to you to put down your arms and respect =
the curfew,'' he added.=20
Guei called the presidential election and December 10 parliamentary =
election to return the county to constitutional rule following its first =
coup last December.=20
Tens of thousands of people took to the streets on Tuesday and Wednesday =
after Guei scrapped the independent National Electoral Commission (CNE) =
and proclaimed himself winner of Sunday's election with 52.72 percent of =
votes.=20
The Commission resumed its own count on Thursday and proclaimed Gbagbo, =
the man who spearheaded the campaign that brought Ivory Coast =
multi-party politics, the winner with 59.36 percent of votes cast.=20
Ouattara was banned from the election by a new constitution which was =
overwhelmingly approved by referendum in July.=20
His supporters took to the streets in districts across Abidjan on =
Wednesday and Thursday, demanding a new election. They erected =
barricades and burned tires.=20
Protests turned into pitched battles with Gbagbo supporters. Mobs from =
both sides attacked mosques and churches. One mob lynched a policeman. =
Others burned rivals alive.=20
``We have fallen into the abyss,'' Laurent Dona-Fologo, acting head of =
the former ruling Democratic Party (news - web sites) (PDCI-RDA), said.=20
``We're heading straight for a Rwanda,'' Ouattara's spokesman Aly =
Coulibaly said, accusing security forces of arming vigilantes from rival =
ethnic groups.=20
Ouattara draws his support from the Muslim north. Gbagbo's supporters =
come from the largely Christian and animist west and south of the former =
French colony.=20
``We are going to demand free elections and we will continue the =
demonstrations until we have those free elections,'' Ouattara told =
Reuters in an interview early in the day.=20
He later took refuge in the German embassy after paramilitary security =
forces, some of whose members sided with Gbagbo loyalists, opened fire =
on his home. His security guards fired back. A child died in the =
exchange.=20
The Democratic Party, which ruled from independence from France in 1960 =
until the 1999 coup, condemned Thursday's protests and pledged to work =
with Gbagbo. Its candidates were also excluded from standing on Sunday.=20
Guei's whereabouts were unclear. Administration and diplomatic sources =
said he left Abidjan on Wednesday but his helicopter ran out of fuel and =
landed in an Ivorian village.=20
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Buharry.
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Clashes break out across Ivory Coast
By William Wallis in Dakar
Published: October 26 2000 20:50GMT | Last Updated: October 26 =
2000 20:59GMT
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Violent clashes erupted in towns across Ivory Coast on Thursday as =
thousands of supporters of Alassane Ouattara, the former prime minister, =
took to the streets to demand a re-run of presidential elections from =
which he was excluded.=20
Supporters of veteran socialist Laurent Gbagbo, who swept to power =
on Wednesday in a popular uprising against Robert Guei, the ousted =
military leader, staged parallel protests across the country.=20
Mr Ouattara fled into the residence of the German ambassador after =
an attack on his house, which allegedly left two dead.=20
The bloody confrontations took on an ethnic and religious =
dimension as rival mobs burned down mosques and churches, leading to at =
least 14 deaths.=20
Mr Ouattara draws much of his support among Muslim ethnic groups =
from the north of the country, while militants from Mr Gbagbo's Ivorian =
Popular Front (FPI) are mostly Christians from the south.=20
The two communities have become increasingly polarised during a =
prolonged political crisis, whose beginnings preceeded the country's =
first ever coup last Christmas. But until now, the violence has largely =
been confined to rural cocoa-producing areas, where the nationalist =
rhetoric of politicians including Mr Gbagbo has inspired alarming levels =
of hostility towards Muslim farmers from the north of the country as =
well as neighbouring Burkina Faso and Mali.=20
According to final results announced on Thursday by the National =
Electoral Commission, Mr Gbagbo won Sunday's presidential elections with =
59 per cent of the vote to Gen Guei's 32 per cent.=20
Gen Guei's desperate attempt to cling on to power by dissolving =
the commission and declaring himself winner prompted fellow junta =
members to desert him on Wednesday.=20
Meanwhile, gendarmes and some factions of the army joined street =
protests to drive him out of office and, according to some reports, into =
exile.=20
But only hours after Mr Gbagbo declared himself the new head of =
state backed by armed forces chiefs, a fresh political crisis broke out =
with Mr Ouattara's supporters claiming Sunday's vote was fatally flawed. =
Both Mr Ouattara's Rally of the Republicans (RDR), and the former =
ruling Democratic party (PDCI) boycotted the polls after their =
candidates were excluded by a Supreme Court handpicked by the ousted =
junta leader. The court argued that Mr Ouattara's past use of a passport =
from neighbouring Burkina Faso, a controversy that has long fuelled =
ethnic and religious tensions, made him ineligible.=20
Barely a third of the electorate cast their ballots and in some =
areas of the north as little as five per cent, according to the RDR.=20
"We want new elections with a minimum of delay and we think that =
the elections can take place even within three weeks in order to =
stabilise the country," Mr Ouattara said on Thursday.=20
But Mr Gbagbo has ruled out that possibility, saying that the =
constitution has been respected and that political parties would have a =
chance to test their support in legislative elections to be held =
shortly.=20
Former colonial power France stood firmly behind this position. =
But other African leaders, including Thabo Mbeki, South Africa's =
president, and Gnassingbe Eyadema, the current chairman of the =
Organisation of African Unity, backed Mr Ouattara's call for fresh =
elections.=20
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<P>Supporters of veteran socialist Laurent Gbagbo, who swept to =
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<P>Mr Ouattara fled into the residence of the German ambassador =
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<P>The bloody confrontations took on an ethnic and religious =
dimension as=20
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<P>Mr Ouattara draws much of his support among Muslim ethnic =
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Front (FPI) are mostly Christians from the south. </P>
<P>The two communities have become increasingly polarised during a =
prolonged political crisis, whose beginnings preceeded the =
country's first=20
ever coup last Christmas. But until now, the violence has largely =
been=20
confined to rural cocoa-producing areas, where the nationalist =
rhetoric of=20
politicians including Mr Gbagbo has inspired alarming levels of =
hostility=20
towards Muslim farmers from the north of the country as well as=20
neighbouring Burkina Faso and Mali. </P>
<P>According to final results announced on Thursday by the =
National=20
Electoral Commission, Mr Gbagbo won Sunday's presidential =
elections with=20
59 per cent of the vote to Gen Guei's 32 per cent. </P>
<P>Gen Guei's desperate attempt to cling on to power by dissolving =
the=20
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members to=20
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<P>Meanwhile, gendarmes and some factions of the army joined =
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reports, into=20
exile. </P>
<P>But only hours after Mr Gbagbo declared himself the new head of =
state=20
backed by armed forces chiefs, a fresh political crisis broke out =
with Mr=20
Ouattara's supporters claiming Sunday's vote was fatally flawed. =
</P>
<P>Both Mr Ouattara's Rally of the Republicans (RDR), and the =
former=20
ruling Democratic party (PDCI) boycotted the polls after their =
candidates=20
were excluded by a Supreme Court handpicked by the ousted junta =
leader.=20
The court argued that Mr Ouattara's past use of a passport from=20
neighbouring Burkina Faso, a controversy that has long fuelled =
ethnic and=20
religious tensions, made him ineligible. </P>
<P>Barely a third of the electorate cast their ballots and in some =
areas=20
of the north as little as five per cent, according to the RDR. =
</P>
<P>"We want new elections with a minimum of delay and we think =
that the=20
elections can take place even within three weeks in order to =
stabilise the=20
country," Mr Ouattara said on Thursday. </P>
<P>But Mr Gbagbo has ruled out that possibility, saying that the=20
constitution has been respected and that political parties would =
have a=20
chance to test their support in legislative elections to be held =
shortly.=20
</P>
<P>Former colonial power France stood firmly behind this position. =
But=20
other African leaders, including Thabo Mbeki, South Africa's =
president,=20
and Gnassingbe Eyadema, the current chairman of the Organisation =
of=20
African Unity, backed Mr Ouattara's call for fresh elections.=20
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Gambia-L:
I want to say thank you to the List Members who have been enquiring about my
well-being.
Well, I am happy to report that all is well with me, and that I am looking
forward to recommencing my contributions to Gambia-L.
For all of you who have been wondering what has happened to me during the
last seven weeks, I can report that I have been busy putting together a
Research Proposal for a higher degree, and have just had confirmation of my
registration on the programme. I am now trying to adjust to life as a
full-time research student again.
I should like to thank Dr Abdoulie Saine for his encouragement and support,
and my UK sponsors who have committed themselves to paying my University
fees, including field trips.
My research interest is Third World Politics, with an emphasis on
Democratisation under the Military in The Gambia in particluar, and Africa
in general, and so if Yahya Jammeh thinks that he is now free from my
comments and criticisms, I have to inform him that I am still around, and
still fighting for freedom and the restoration of human rights in my
homeland. I shall endeavour to contribute regularly to Gambia-L, and shall
ask my sources in The Gambia to recommence their private postings to me so
that I can pass these on to the List.
In fact, I should like to thank my sources for their patience – they have
continued to send me information and comment, but I have not had the free
time to post these messages (which have now been overtaken by events) on to
a wider audience. Anyway, I am now in the position to be forwarding
messages from my sources in The Gambia to the List members.
Ndey Jobarteh: how’s your son? I hope he does not cry at night to disturb
you and Saiks! My warmest regards to Brothers Kabir, Saiks, Omar Drammeh and
the rest of the Gambian crew in Norway.
Jabou Joh and Isatou Njie – your Brother is well, apart from being harassed
by the unending rainfall in the UK! Sister Jabou, please extend my warmest
greetings to your kids.
Kebba Dampha – I have just seen your last piece on the situation in Cote
d’Ivoire and it was well thought out. I enjoyed reading it. Keep up the good
work!
Sheikh Tijan Nyang – thanks for the information you are forwarding to the
List; we appreciate your kind gestures.
Can anyone on the L help to put me into contact with a Dr Lamin Mbye, who
did his PhD in History at Birmingham University (?? in the seventies). One
of Dr Mbye's former Professors at Birmingham would like to get in touch (or
re-establish contacts) with him. Dr Mbye is possibly working in the USA,
according to the Professor.
Greetings to everyone on the List.
Ebrima Ceesay
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Hello, Ebrima, it is good to know that all is well with you. I was also
wondering wht happened to you. Good look on the research, and I look
forward to seeing your regular posts on the list again.
Ginny
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Subject: Re: Where is Ebrima Ceesay (Coach)
> Gambia-L:
>
> I want to say thank you to the List Members who have been enquiring about
my
> well-being.
>
> Well, I am happy to report that all is well with me, and that I am looking
> forward to recommencing my contributions to Gambia-L.
>
> For all of you who have been wondering what has happened to me during the
> last seven weeks, I can report that I have been busy putting together a
> Research Proposal for a higher degree, and have just had confirmation of
my
> registration on the programme. I am now trying to adjust to life as a
> full-time research student again.
>
> I should like to thank Dr Abdoulie Saine for his encouragement and
support,
> and my UK sponsors who have committed themselves to paying my University
> fees, including field trips.
>
> My research interest is Third World Politics, with an emphasis on
> Democratisation under the Military in The Gambia in particluar, and Africa
> in general, and so if Yahya Jammeh thinks that he is now free from my
> comments and criticisms, I have to inform him that I am still around, and
> still fighting for freedom and the restoration of human rights in my
> homeland. I shall endeavour to contribute regularly to Gambia-L, and
shall
> ask my sources in The Gambia to recommence their private postings to me so
> that I can pass these on to the List.
>
> In fact, I should like to thank my sources for their patience - they have
> continued to send me information and comment, but I have not had the free
> time to post these messages (which have now been overtaken by events) on
to
> a wider audience. Anyway, I am now in the position to be forwarding
> messages from my sources in The Gambia to the List members.
>
> Ndey Jobarteh: how's your son? I hope he does not cry at night to disturb
> you and Saiks! My warmest regards to Brothers Kabir, Saiks, Omar Drammeh
and
> the rest of the Gambian crew in Norway.
>
> Jabou Joh and Isatou Njie - your Brother is well, apart from being
harassed
> by the unending rainfall in the UK! Sister Jabou, please extend my
warmest
> greetings to your kids.
>
> Kebba Dampha - I have just seen your last piece on the situation in Cote
> d'Ivoire and it was well thought out. I enjoyed reading it. Keep up the
good
> work!
>
> Sheikh Tijan Nyang - thanks for the information you are forwarding to the
> List; we appreciate your kind gestures.
>
> Can anyone on the L help to put me into contact with a Dr Lamin Mbye, who
> did his PhD in History at Birmingham University (?? in the seventies). One
> of Dr Mbye's former Professors at Birmingham would like to get in touch
(or
> re-establish contacts) with him. Dr Mbye is possibly working in the USA,
> according to the Professor.
>
> Greetings to everyone on the List.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay
> Birmingham UK
>
>
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Sidi,
It is too bad that these idiots we seem to have on the continent always live
up to their reputations as power hungry gluttons just waiting to sink their
fangs into the people and meager assets of their respective countries. What
in heaven's name does aattacking mosques or churches have to do with the
people trying to get decent representation?
Looks like Gkagbo is turning into the proverbial Wollof story fool who one
evening, pointed out the moon and everyone thought he had finally recovered
from his insanity; because he used to be pretty much oblivious to his
surroundings as a result of his madness. But just as everyone started
celebrating his recovery, he turned around and said, " and there is a second
moon over there in the sky" Since there is only one Moon, you know how that
story ended.
I heard on National Public Radio this enening that Gkagbo is not calling for
newe elections. I guess he does not want the chance to be president to slip
through his fingers, even if it means that the interest of the people of
Ivory Coast are not put first. So what else is new?
Jabou Joh
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<< Mosques have been reported to have come under attack to from supporters of
Gbagbo. Concerning the whereabouts of Gen, Guei, a French Defence Ministry
spokesman is quoted as saying that "probably, Guei has made his way back to
his Abidjan residence" contrary to widely held view that he has fled to
Cotonou. Should this new twist to the story prove to be true, then there is
going to be some factional fighting unless serious mediation talks are
convened immediately, now that the situation is turning ugly with ethic and
religious overtones.
Meanwhile, South Africa, Togo, OAU and ECOWAS have all called for fresh
elections to be held in which all the political parties participate.
Sidi Sanneh
__________ >>
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:41:48 EDT
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In a message dated 10/26/00 11:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<< Please disregard the " no subject poem" it's a clicker error.
>>
Hey, i enjoyed that poem Dawda. It is a good one as usual I think.
Jabou
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<< At a meeting of celebrity United Nations "goodwill ambassadors" in New
York this week, N'Dour announced the creation of the Joko Project, which
seeks to build affordable Internet access centers in Senegal and other
African countries as well as a Web site that will contain African cultural
content. The Internet-related project is the flagship program for a new
nonprofit foundation called the Youth Network for Development that N'Dour has
set up in Senegal's capital city, Dakar.
>>
***************************
This is great. Africa's entrepreneurs and business men and women need to wake
up to the need to give back to the communities where their wealth is created.
That is one of the duties of successful businesses.It is a duty and a
responsibility, and Yusu Ndure is putting his money where his mouth is as
they say, and should not only be commended, but immitated by others all over
the continent.
Jabou
Jabou Joh
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Jabou,
Gbagbo has been sworn-in as the new President of the Republic by the Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court this evening. The major political parties have
appealed to the population to refrain from further violence. Religious
leaders have also made similar appeal. Although Gbagbo has refused to
conduct a re-run of the presidential, he has indicated his desire to form a
Government of National Reconciliation with the major parties represented. He
promise to unveil his new cabinet tomorrow. So we will wait and see.
Meanwhile, work resumes Friday and we all hope that we are on the road to
normalcy while the various political parties try to formulate a pact that
will accommodate the political aspirations of all Ivoirians. The situation,
this evening, is certainly calmer than the past several days. We hope the
spirit of inclusiveness expressed during the investiture of President Gbagbo
will be reflected in, not only in the composition of his Government, but
also in his deeds. Most political parties are now gearing up for the
legislative elections in which the two major parties are expected to do
better than Gbagbo's FPI which would be an interesting scenario.
Personally, I look forward to getting back to my normal schedule.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:26:38 EDT
>
>Sidi,
>
>It is too bad that these idiots we seem to have on the continent always
>live
>up to their reputations as power hungry gluttons just waiting to sink their
>fangs into the people and meager assets of their respective countries. What
>in heaven's name does aattacking mosques or churches have to do with the
>people trying to get decent representation?
>Looks like Gkagbo is turning into the proverbial Wollof story fool who one
>evening, pointed out the moon and everyone thought he had finally
>recovered
>from his insanity; because he used to be pretty much oblivious to his
>surroundings as a result of his madness. But just as everyone started
>celebrating his recovery, he turned around and said, " and there is a
>second
>moon over there in the sky" Since there is only one Moon, you know how that
>story ended.
>I heard on National Public Radio this enening that Gkagbo is not calling
>for
>newe elections. I guess he does not want the chance to be president to slip
>through his fingers, even if it means that the interest of the people of
>Ivory Coast are not put first. So what else is new?
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>
>In a message dated 10/26/00 7:53:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
><< Mosques have been reported to have come under attack to from supporters
>of
> Gbagbo. Concerning the whereabouts of Gen, Guei, a French Defence
>Ministry
> spokesman is quoted as saying that "probably, Guei has made his way back
>to
> his Abidjan residence" contrary to widely held view that he has fled to
> Cotonou. Should this new twist to the story prove to be true, then there
>is
> going to be some factional fighting unless serious mediation talks are
> convened immediately, now that the situation is turning ugly with ethic
>and
> religious overtones.
> Meanwhile, South Africa, Togo, OAU and ECOWAS have all called for fresh
> elections to be held in which all the political parties participate.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
> __________ >>
>
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Thanks Jabou,
I am very glad for the compliment and I hope you further enjoy
the upcoming poems. Again, thanks greatly and good luck!
Dawda
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Ebrima
Dr Lamin Mbye is a professor at a local university in Salisbury , Maryland- Near Ocean City
I will tryy to get you his nummber but first I have to ask his permission
Habib Diab Ghanimm, Sr
Ebrima Ceesay wrote:
> Gambia-L:
>
> I want to say thank you to the List Members who have been enquiring about my
> well-being.
>
> Well, I am happy to report that all is well with me, and that I am looking
> forward to recommencing my contributions to Gambia-L.
>
> For all of you who have been wondering what has happened to me during the
> last seven weeks, I can report that I have been busy putting together a
> Research Proposal for a higher degree, and have just had confirmation of my
> registration on the programme. I am now trying to adjust to life as a
> full-time research student again.
>
> I should like to thank Dr Abdoulie Saine for his encouragement and support,
> and my UK sponsors who have committed themselves to paying my University
> fees, including field trips.
>
> My research interest is Third World Politics, with an emphasis on
> Democratisation under the Military in The Gambia in particluar, and Africa
> in general, and so if Yahya Jammeh thinks that he is now free from my
> comments and criticisms, I have to inform him that I am still around, and
> still fighting for freedom and the restoration of human rights in my
> homeland. I shall endeavour to contribute regularly to Gambia-L, and shall
> ask my sources in The Gambia to recommence their private postings to me so
> that I can pass these on to the List.
>
> In fact, I should like to thank my sources for their patience – they have
> continued to send me information and comment, but I have not had the free
> time to post these messages (which have now been overtaken by events) on to
> a wider audience. Anyway, I am now in the position to be forwarding
> messages from my sources in The Gambia to the List members.
>
> Ndey Jobarteh: how’s your son? I hope he does not cry at night to disturb
> you and Saiks! My warmest regards to Brothers Kabir, Saiks, Omar Drammeh and
> the rest of the Gambian crew in Norway.
>
> Jabou Joh and Isatou Njie – your Brother is well, apart from being harassed
> by the unending rainfall in the UK! Sister Jabou, please extend my warmest
> greetings to your kids.
>
> Kebba Dampha – I have just seen your last piece on the situation in Cote
> d’Ivoire and it was well thought out. I enjoyed reading it. Keep up the good
> work!
>
> Sheikh Tijan Nyang – thanks for the information you are forwarding to the
> List; we appreciate your kind gestures.
>
> Can anyone on the L help to put me into contact with a Dr Lamin Mbye, who
> did his PhD in History at Birmingham University (?? in the seventies). One
> of Dr Mbye's former Professors at Birmingham would like to get in touch (or
> re-establish contacts) with him. Dr Mbye is possibly working in the USA,
> according to the Professor.
>
> Greetings to everyone on the List.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay
> Birmingham UK
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:22:29 GMT
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LILLE, France, Oct 27 (AFP) - Prime Minister Lionel Jospin said Friday it
was up to the people of the Ivory Coast to decide on whether to hold a new
presidential election, refusing to join in widespread calls for a new poll.
It is "up to the Ivorians to decide" if they want a new presidential
election," said Jospin, while on visit in the northern city of Lille.
But he warned there remained the danger "of ending up in a situation
without any authority" if the result of the presidential vote was not
respected.
France has stood alone so far in refusing to add its voice to
international
calls for once-stable Ivory Coast to hold a replay of the controversial poll
that was aimed at restoring democratic rule.
Opposition leader and former prime minister Alassane Ouattara -- barred
from the vote Sunday -- was meeting Friday with new President Laurent Gbagdo
to try to restore calm after street battles between their rival camps left
scores dead.
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ABIDJAN, Oct 27 (AFP) - Ivory Coast's opposition leader Alassane Ouattara
said a government role for his party was not a priority after talks Friday
with President Laurent Gbagbo aimed at ending bloodletting between their
supporters.
However, Ouattara referred to Gbagbo as "president" after he had earlier
said that he would not recognise the outcome of Sunday's election in which
he
was barred from standing.
Playing a part in the new government "is not a priority for us," said
Ouattara.
"We explained to President Laurent Gbagbo that we are preoccupied, our
priority is to mourn our dead and bury our dead supporters," said Ouattara,
leader of the Rally of Republicans (RDR).
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Dr Saine & Glers,
History tells us where we have been with the Jammeh regime. We have
witnessed unprecedented murders,arson,arbitrary arrest& detention,
intimidation and the list goes on.
To do something about where we want to go - we need to redouble our efforts
towards ensuring a free and fair election happening.
The question is where do we go from here?.What are the protocols for
contacting organizations that monitor elections.?
Does anyone have status on where the process for absentee voting stands now?
Any ideas and or suggestions?
Cheers
Dagmar Christensen
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>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:41:17 -0400
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>Madiba & N'dey:
>
>Gen. Robert Geui's removal from office through a spontaneous revolt by
>the Ivorian People is indeed remarkable.
>
>A year from now Gambians could also be holding a Presidential election.
>And if it is free and fair, Jammeh would be defeated. Unfortunately, he
>is more than likely to try and repeat the 1996 Presidential election
>through delays, cancellations and engineering of the results. This
>"Soldier-Turned-President" syndrome must end!
>
>Therefore, we must all double our efforts and continue to agitate for
>free and fair elections with international observers. Let us also
>financially support the opposition parties.
>
>Abdoulaye
>No justice, no peace!
>Jammeh Must GO!
>
>
>
>Madiba Saidy wrote:
> >
> > Ndey,
> >
> > Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
> > dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
> > illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
> > book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
> > Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Madiba.
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> >
> > > Madiba,
> > >
> > > I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is
>another historic achievement in the
> > > continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to
>dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> > > make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not
>only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> > > well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators
>that "Power belong to the Masses".
> > > People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
>especially in West Africa.
> > > Thanks to Sidi for all the information
> > >
> > > The Struggle Continues!!
> > > Ndey Jobarteh
> >
> >
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Gbagbo and Ouattara: Ivory Coast's bitter rivals
by Serge Arnold
ABIDJAN, Oct 27 (AFP) - Laurent Gbagbo and Alassane Ouattara are leaders
with strikingly different backgrounds and radically opposed styles, locked
in
a bitter struggle for Ivory Coast's top political prize, the presidency.
Ouattara, barred from standing in Sunday's poll which preceded the ouster
of a military regime, heads the Rally for Republicans (RDR). While his
party's
political roots are in the Muslim north, he is nothing if not cosmopolitan.
Observers point out that Ouattara is far from being a strict practising
Muslim. He drinks champagne, is married to a French Catholic of Jewish
descent
and some of his children are Protestants.
A former deputy director of the International Monetary Fund, he is seen
as
a man of the west, well-spoken, well-groomed and with a modern outlook.
Gbagbo, head of the Ivorian Popular Front (FPI) and the only candidate
allowed to take part in an election widely seen as flawed, has the backing
of
the Christian south. In contrast to his rival, the new inaugurated head of
state is seen as a more conventional political animal.
While Gbagbo, long a proclaimed socialist, cannot match Ouattara's
international profile, he has been more concerned with the audience at home
rather than the world stage.
The ambitions of the two men provided some of the fuel for Thursday's
violence, the day of Gbagbo's investiture. Ethnic overtones also fuelled the
brutality.
At least 44 people were killed as FPI activists clashed with Ouattara's
followers, fighting with wooden clubs and machetes in running street
battles.
Ouattara, barred by the Supreme Court from running for president
following
allegations that he was not of full Ivorian nationality, had called for new
elections.
The United States, several African powers including South Africa, and
United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan seek the same.
Earlier in the week, at least 60 people died in the uprising led by
Gbagbo's supporters that unseated General Robert Guei after he tried to
declare victory in the elections.
And yet for a period during the 1990s the two leaders found themselves
united in opposition to the then president Henri Konan Bedie, who was
toppled
by last December's military coup that put Guei in power.
But while Gbagbo's FPI chose to join Guei's transitional government,
Ouattara remained in opposition.
Under Bedie's rule, the divisions between the Muslim north and the
Christian south had become more noticeable.
And it was Bedie who waged an intense political and judicial campaign to
eliminate Ouattara as a presidential rival, claiming he was from Burkina
Faso
-- a theme Guei was to build upon, to Gbagbo's benefit.
Guei's sudden downfall at the hands of the Gbagbo camp must have come as
a
surprise to Ouattara's supporters, who had scoffed at their rivals' ability
to
stop the general from seizing the presidency.
Only four days before last Sunday's vote, they wrote in the RDR paper Le
Patriote: "What can Gbagbo do against Guei? Absolutely nothing."
Ouattara, had he not been barred from running, would have been a more
formidable electoral opponent than Guei. The ruling that excluded him was
handed down by Judge Tia Kone, seen as Guei's man.
The reason given, that his Ivorian nationality was in question, is
something Outtara himself hotly disputes, arguing it was just a pretext to
get
rid of a troublesome political rival.
Gbagbo's FPI backed the relevant clause tightening nationality provisions
in a new constitution passed by referendum last July.
As Gbagbo himself put it on the eve of the presidential poll: "At the FPI
we believe that the post of president of the Republic is not a post for
retired high functionaries from other countries ... this is not a stand
against a Muslim, against a man of the north."
For the RDR's Le Patriote, Gbagbo is "the man who has always betrayed".
But the FPI would be quick to point out that it was Ouattara, as prime
minister under former president Felix Houphouet-Boigny, who had Gbagbo
jailed
for six months.
sa/jj/nb
Gbagbo and Ouattara: Ivory Coast's bitter rivals
by Serge Arnold
ABIDJAN, Oct 27 (AFP) - Laurent Gbagbo and Alassane Ouattara are leaders
with strikingly different backgrounds and radically opposed styles, locked
in
a bitter struggle for Ivory Coast's top political prize, the presidency.
Ouattara, barred from standing in Sunday's poll which preceded the ouster
of a military regime, heads the Rally for Republicans (RDR). While his
party's
political roots are in the Muslim north, he is nothing if not cosmopolitan.
Observers point out that Ouattara is far from being a strict practising
Muslim. He drinks champagne, is married to a French Catholic of Jewish
descent
and some of his children are Protestants.
A former deputy director of the International Monetary Fund, he is seen
as
a man of the west, well-spoken, well-groomed and with a modern outlook.
Gbagbo, head of the Ivorian Popular Front (FPI) and the only candidate
allowed to take part in an election widely seen as flawed, has the backing
of
the Christian south. In contrast to his rival, the new inaugurated head of
state is seen as a more conventional political animal.
While Gbagbo, long a proclaimed socialist, cannot match Ouattara's
international profile, he has been more concerned with the audience at home
rather than the world stage.
The ambitions of the two men provided some of the fuel for Thursday's
violence, the day of Gbagbo's investiture. Ethnic overtones also fuelled the
brutality.
At least 44 people were killed as FPI activists clashed with Ouattara's
followers, fighting with wooden clubs and machetes in running street
battles.
Ouattara, barred by the Supreme Court from running for president
following
allegations that he was not of full Ivorian nationality, had called for new
elections.
The United States, several African powers including South Africa, and
United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan seek the same.
Earlier in the week, at least 60 people died in the uprising led by
Gbagbo's supporters that unseated General Robert Guei after he tried to
declare victory in the elections.
And yet for a period during the 1990s the two leaders found themselves
united in opposition to the then president Henri Konan Bedie, who was
toppled
by last December's military coup that put Guei in power.
But while Gbagbo's FPI chose to join Guei's transitional government,
Ouattara remained in opposition.
Under Bedie's rule, the divisions between the Muslim north and the
Christian south had become more noticeable.
And it was Bedie who waged an intense political and judicial campaign to
eliminate Ouattara as a presidential rival, claiming he was from Burkina
Faso
-- a theme Guei was to build upon, to Gbagbo's benefit.
Guei's sudden downfall at the hands of the Gbagbo camp must have come as
a
surprise to Ouattara's supporters, who had scoffed at their rivals' ability
to
stop the general from seizing the presidency.
Only four days before last Sunday's vote, they wrote in the RDR paper Le
Patriote: "What can Gbagbo do against Guei? Absolutely nothing."
Ouattara, had he not been barred from running, would have been a more
formidable electoral opponent than Guei. The ruling that excluded him was
handed down by Judge Tia Kone, seen as Guei's man.
The reason given, that his Ivorian nationality was in question, is
something Outtara himself hotly disputes, arguing it was just a pretext to
get
rid of a troublesome political rival.
Gbagbo's FPI backed the relevant clause tightening nationality provisions
in a new constitution passed by referendum last July.
As Gbagbo himself put it on the eve of the presidential poll: "At the FPI
we believe that the post of president of the Republic is not a post for
retired high functionaries from other countries ... this is not a stand
against a Muslim, against a man of the north."
For the RDR's Le Patriote, Gbagbo is "the man who has always betrayed".
But the FPI would be quick to point out that it was Ouattara, as prime
minister under former president Felix Houphouet-Boigny, who had Gbagbo
jailed
for six months.
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Prince,
This is a great piece.Like you, I believe there are the good the bad and the
ROTTEN. There is hope for the bad,they could be reformed.But the
Rotten.These are the real scum of the earth, the maggots who will crawl on
their bellys and succumb to anything for their self serving interests.The
good thing is they will self destruct!!!
Cheers
Dagmar
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>Yes, in the catalogue ye go as men.
>As hounds, and greyhounds, mongrels, spaniels curs,
>shoughs, water-rugs and demi-wolves are clept
>All by the name of dogs: the valu'd file
>distinguishes the swift, the slow, the subtle,
>The house-keeper, the hunter. Every one
>According to the gift which bounteous nature
>Hath in him clos'd; whereby he does receive
>Particular addition, from the bill that writes them all alike:
>And so of men now, if you have a station in the file,
>And not in the worst rank of manhood, say it ...
>(Macbeth. Act III sc i)
>
>Philosophers, novelists and poets throughout history have tried to prove
>that man's behaviour is, sometimes, closer to that of dogs than of any
>other creature. Some of us may not agree with their findings, but a good
>study of some people's attitude in the Gambia can make you change your
>mind.
>
>I am always of the belief that there are two groups of Gambians namely:
>Good Gambians and Bad Gambians. But honestly there is a third group which
>could be classified as "Very Bad Gambians". This third group has turned out
>to be those Gambians who do not give a damn to what happens to their
>country and its people as long as they achieve their personal goal. It
>would have done no harm, were they not the "aids and abettors" of Yaya
>Jammeh's repressive and murderous regime. It is about time that we focused
>our attention to this group, for they are more destructive to the Gambia
>than whosoever occupies at the State House. Without these people, Yahya
>Jammeh would not have been in the position he is today.
>
>Rummaging, lately, among some old cassettes, I came across a recording I
>made 5 years ago. It was a BBC "World Today Program" about the Gambia, in
>which "Father" Michael Cleary, Halifa Sallah, Susan Waffa-Ogoo, Ebrima
>Ceesay and Pap Cheyassin Secka took part. Two among these are in our midst
>today and nothing whatsoever has changed from the stance they took five
>years ago.
>
>To show that these two have not budged an inch from their positions five
>years ago, I have transcribed some of the things they said then. Halifa
>five years ago is the same Halifa today when he said:
>
>"There are two options to evaluate the agenda they have set and see whether
>this is the next best thing that could be adopted, or the whole society
>say: "Well, let's overthrow a government.
>One option is a peaceful transition to democratic constitutional rule. The
>other option is violent confrontation. Now, if we accept that agenda, then
>it is a give and take process. It is important to evaluate whether there is
>more to be gained by adhering to that agenda even though it means that
>political parties are not going to operate until March. One sees the
>limitations, but again, it is negotiation, reaching a compromise for the
>sake of the society."
>
>Ebrima Ceesay did not mince his words when he said:
>
>"It is a fact that the role of the military is not to govern a nation. That
>is not their job. Their job is to defend the Gambia against external
>aggression. The Chairman and his colleagues in the Council must make sure,
>come July 1996 they go back to barracks or do something else. If they want
>the history books to write something good about them, they have to honour
>the time-table. They have to go back to barracks, but if they don't , then
>it means that their claim that they love the country is unreal."
>
>These were some of the views of Halifa Sallah and Ebrima Ceesay 5 years
>ago. The strategy of peaceful transition advocated by Halifa and the
>tactics of Ebrima Ceesay to "flush out" the military from our society are
>of a shared objective. The objective of every peace-loving Gambian is the
>search for the GOOD of the Gambia. I believe that even those who support
>Yaya Jammeh are convinced, albeit misguided, that the DUMBO of Kaninlai can
>solve the Gambia's problems. The only thing that Yaya Jammeh's supporters
>fail to grasp is the fact that the person Yaya Jammeh, himself, is the
>MAIN problem of the Gambia. All our approaches to this search may differ
>but our ultimate goal remains the same - Justice, Peace, Prosperity and
>Tranquillity for the Gambia. We all strive for a Gambia free of
>intimidation and persecution. We strive for a country where people are
>allowed to do whatever they want to do within the laws of the land without
>being shot at. We strive for a society where everybody can express his or
>her political viewpoint without being picked up by some Neurotic Idiots
>Agencies. We strive for a leader who could guide us towards a common good
>and join our diverse people to prove man's brotherhood. Nothing more and
>nothing less.
>
>This is nothing new to you and some of you might say that I have put in a
>lot about something you already know. You are right! Damn right, because
>Halifa Sallah and Ebrima Ceesay are not the subjects of this piece,
>although recent statements by Halifa keep me guessing which side of the
>fence he is. In one of Halifa's last postings, he wrote the following:
>
>"Finally, it is important to indicate to you that what kept Yahya here is
>his capacity to assimilate all the institutions, people and practices that
>he has found when he took over power. He still has grip over the opinion
>leaders, the traditional rulers and many other sectors of Gambian society.
>He has learnt to accumulate and take bags of sugar to mosques, dish out
>money to opinion leaders in order to maintain his control."
>
>What I make out of the above statement is that, according to Halifa, these
>so-called opinion leaders and traditional rulers are the real "king-makers"
>of The Gambia. The intelligence of the Gambian people is no longer
>relevant. Whosoever gives more sugar to the mosques and dish out more money
>to these opinion leaders can easily call himself the President of the
>Gambia. Why do we have political parties? Why do we hold elections? Why do
>we talk about the Constitution and Democracy and rule of law and "all that
>jazz"?
>
>Further I suspected an attempt to polarize the Opposition in this statement
>by Halifa:
>
>"It is important for you to know that at each given stage there can be a
>legal and illegal opposition. legality and illegality are defined by those
>who control state power in having the capacity to arrest, detain and try
>those they accuse of carrying out acts to remove them from power. The
>tactics of a legal opposition and that of an illegal opposition cannot
>possibly be the same."
>
>I am finding it hard to understand the difference between a "LEGAL
>opposition" and an "ILLEGAL opposition", since ALL we want to see is the
>BACK of Yaya Jammeh.
>
>But yet I have nothing against Halifa if not mere admiration. For, lest we
>forgot, Halifa could have been one of the first Ministers or SoS of Yaya
>Jammeh's repressive government. Whether he still would have been there, I
>just cannot tell.
>
>In the same program where I have quoted Ebrima and Halifa was also no
>lesser person than Pap Cheyassin Secka. Yes! The "Wrong" Honourable Alhaji
>Dr P.C.O. Secka - our present Attorney General.
>
>
>TO BE SURELY CONTINUED......
>
>
>Please Note:
>This is a two-part piece, divided between the good guys and the rotten one.
>All I am trying to say here is to show the steadfastness of Halifa Sallah
>and Ebrima Ceesay as oppose to the metamorphobic and chameleonic nature of
>creatures like Alhaji Dr. P.C.O.Secka - Our Attorney General.
>
>Prince
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BERLIN, Oct 26 (AFP) - Togo's president and chairman of the Organisation
of
African Unity (OAU) said Thursday that an urgent meeting of a 10-nation
committee would be convened to examine the situation in Ivory Coast.
President Gnassingbe Eyadema, speaking to journalists during a visit to
Germany, said the so-called "Committee of Ten" states could meet within
eight
days.
The ten states are Togo, South Africa, Algeria, Burkina Faso, Djibouti,
Gabon, Ghana, Mali, Nigeria and Senegal.
He also said that Togo was prepared to give refuge to the ousted military
leader of Ivory Coast, General Robert Guei, "if he asks for it".
Algeria also earlier called for the rapid convening of the "Committee of
Ten" African states, which was mandated by an OAU summit meeting in the
Togolese capital Lome in July to come up with recommendations for the
democratisation of Ivory Coast.
Earlier Thursday, during a meeting in Berlin with German President
Johannes
Rau, Eyadema called for new elections in Ivory Coast, a German presidential
spokeswoman said.
"Speaking as chairman of the OAU, he said that the OAU would now advocate
holding new elections in Ivory Coast," a spokeswoman at Rau's office said.
On Wednesday, Eyadema had said in a statement that the weekend election
had
not been held fairly, but urged protesters to remain calm to avoid Ivory
Coast
"sinking into chaos".
South African President Thabo Mbeki on Wednesday also called for new
elections in the country to include candidates who had been prevented from
taking part, warning of the danger of "enormous conflict" in the west
African
nation.
Eyadema is due to travel to France on Thursday and plans to meet with
President Jacques Chirac.
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Dagmar
First and foremost, Hope all is well with George at home and his radio station.
Our prayers are with them.
Secondly , Jimmy Carter's Foundation helps in monitoring elections think only free and fair elections will
solve our problems in Banjul and the rest of Africa..
If the self imposed leaders do not accept the will of the voters then they do to the leaders the same as
they did to Slobodan Molosvich and General Robert Guei recently.
Lastly as Sidi had mentioned in one of his last messages Mr. Alassan Ouattarra was denied to be put on the
ballot by his peers based on just rumors about his nationality ,. therefore a new election free and fair
including all interested parties including General Guei (if he wishes should be) MUST be done asap while an
interim caretaker government with limited executive powers be in charge until the new and legitimate winners
form a new government.
Period
Well , it is easier said than done . The Reality on the ground may be completely out of control and greedy
solders will again seize power in the pretext of helping the county (and their pockets)
adama jombel wrote:
> Dr Saine & Glers,
> History tells us where we have been with the Jammeh regime. We have
> witnessed unprecedented murders,arson,arbitrary arrest& detention,
> intimidation and the list goes on.
> To do something about where we want to go - we need to redouble our efforts
> towards ensuring a free and fair election happening.
>
> The question is where do we go from here?.What are the protocols for
> contacting organizations that monitor elections.?
>
> Does anyone have status on where the process for absentee voting stands now?
>
> Any ideas and or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
> Dagmar Christensen
>
> >From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: "Le Boss" has fled!
> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:41:17 -0400
> >
> >Madiba & N'dey:
> >
> >Gen. Robert Geui's removal from office through a spontaneous revolt by
> >the Ivorian People is indeed remarkable.
> >
> >A year from now Gambians could also be holding a Presidential election.
> >And if it is free and fair, Jammeh would be defeated. Unfortunately, he
> >is more than likely to try and repeat the 1996 Presidential election
> >through delays, cancellations and engineering of the results. This
> >"Soldier-Turned-President" syndrome must end!
> >
> >Therefore, we must all double our efforts and continue to agitate for
> >free and fair elections with international observers. Let us also
> >financially support the opposition parties.
> >
> >Abdoulaye
> >No justice, no peace!
> >Jammeh Must GO!
> >
> >
> >
> >Madiba Saidy wrote:
> > >
> > > Ndey,
> > >
> > > Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
> > > dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
> > > illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
> > > book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
> > > Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Madiba.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> > >
> > > > Madiba,
> > > >
> > > > I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is
> >another historic achievement in the
> > > > continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to
> >dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> > > > make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not
> >only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> > > > well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators
> >that "Power belong to the Masses".
> > > > People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
> >especially in West Africa.
> > > > Thanks to Sidi for all the information
> > > >
> > > > The Struggle Continues!!
> > > > Ndey Jobarteh
> > >
> > >
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<---Where the heart is is where the home is---->
Humanity is the place where the greatest of all creators express His devine
will.Gods call on responsible Ivorians has been recognised and
acted upon and the will of god has prevailed.Amid uncertainty and certain
death of some of their very own Ivorians 'GOOD' and 'BAD'
Stick up for safety of their motherland and make her proud.
Today the little ones--the innocent children of ivory coast can run arround
playing with the unconscious knowledge that their hands will not be cut here
and there by angry adults like we see here and there.
I for one i will write here and wherever i can to applaud the sons of a
proud nation.
I shall go to work and and tell my fellow 'classmates' that we Africans
have success stories too.That we have hope above all our
shortcomings.
No matter what their look or class; no matter what they are; Ivorians must
stand by justice and understanding, if they wish to maintain
their well won peace.
Africa must clap for the sons of Ivory Coast and tell them that love is the
quest of all good endeavours.
I was talking to one proud brother from Ivory Coast who broke the good news
from his beloved homeland,I couldnt but envy his countrymens sacrifices to
give life to each other and acknowledge each others humanity.
They must at this very instant forgive every general and use that act to
instill trust and restore a lasting admosphere of peace progress and
respect for human rights in their only homeland.
WE Have To seize the opportunity to emulate the Franchophone Africa.
At these stage French speaking Africans seem to win back peacefully.
For example Dakar.
Love is the only language.
karl
>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Laurent Gbagbo is new President of the Republic of Cote
> d'Ivoire
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:28:31 EDT
>
>Mr. Sanneh, thank you very much for the updates. I was so distraught
>yesterday, seeing Guei trying to drag his country into the abyss and
>putting
>people's lives in jeopardy. I do not mean to sound selfish, but I have to
>point out that I was very concern for the lives of the Gambians working in
>Abidjan. Some of our finest minds are there. We thank God for the safety of
>the Gambians living in Ivory Coast. We continue to pray that you remain
>safe
>during these trying times in Ivory Coast. We congratulate the Ivorian
>people
>for standing up to Guei. We hope that reports that the coward has fled to
>Cotonou are true. Left to the vermin alone, he would have turned Abidjan to
>a war zone. Reports say that his security forces fired live ammunition at
>protesters including women and children. All that callousness just to
>perpetuate a dictator in power. A dictator who stole power in the first
>place. It is the arrogance of these thugs that I cannot stand. They
>intimidate people, use brute force to steal power, and then behave as if it
>is their birth right to stay in power. Well, the Ivorian people have shown
>Guei where power really lies. I hope Ghagbo will act like a true democrat
>and call for fresh elections where all the parties will be allowed to
>contest. This is another wake up call for Gambians. Like we keep saying,
>when push comes to shove, these cowards run away. Yaya is a worst coward
>than Guei. Yaya has less support in the Gambian army than Guei had in the
>Ivorian army. Do not let Yaya rob you in an election and then intimidate
>you
>to accept the outcome of the elections. It is not just elections. Whenever
>Yaya breaks the law (as in the case of the massacre of our children on
>April
>10 and 11), he has to be challenged by the people. The massacre of our
>children is more heinous than robbing elections. The moment Yaya ordered
>his
>forces to kill our children, he forfeited his right to live, let alone rule
>our country. The opposition and their supporters should mobilize and remove
>Yaya from office and try him like any common criminal.
>KB
>
>
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>>Subject: Laurent Gbagbo is new President of the Republic of Cote d'Ivoire
>>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:07:05 GMT
>>
>>Speaking on natioanl radio and television, Laurent Gbago has declared that
>>the wishes of the people of Cote d'Ivoire have been carried out by
>>recognising the results of the election of 22nd October, at the insistence
>>of the people. He has re-installed the Chairman and members of the
>>National
>>Electoral Commission dismissed yesterday by Guei with the mandate to
>>proceed with the finalisation of the vote tally for ratification by the
>>Supreme Court. He congratulated and expressed his gratitude to the
>>Commission for being steadfast in carrying out their constitutional duties
>>with impartiality. Following the finalisation of the vote count and
>>ratification, Gbagbo is expected to take the oath of office in the next
>>day
>>or two. His only significant pronouncement was the need to re-visit the
>>Constitution which has been one of the source of friction and disunity
>>amongst Ivorians. He has also promised to form a Government of National
>>Unity to help heel the deep wound inflicted on the population of Cote
>>d'Ivoire over the years. Afterall, light may be at the end of the tunnel
>>for this beautiful country full of great promise.
>>Sidi Sanneh
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Hi Folks,
After a long period of self imposed exile due to unavoidable=20
circumstances, i am glad to be back although i have been following=20
events on and off on the L.
Bro. Sheikh Tijan the issues you are Sidi raised are very important for
our economy. We need a comprehensive, holistic and gradual approach in=20
addressing the short comings of the tourism sector. I know that you are
aware that tourism is the largest foreign exchange earner for the=20
economy overtaking agriculture and the re-export trade. Given its=20
importance and this stylized fact, it is imperative that developments=20
in this sector needs to be reviewed periodically with stakeholders like
yourself who have the expertise to share with the government in=20
formulating policies.
Your seminar is timely and i do hope that it is not just going to be=20
yet another forum for policy dialogue without any meaningful,=20
comprehensive and practical steps being implemented to address the=20
plight of the sector with particular reference to how it affects=20
Gambians stakeholders.
I would like to share some issues that you can also add to your list=20
for discussion.
- Tourism is the biggest business in the world and for the small=20
Gambian market we know that most of the profits stay in the west.=20
Infact studies have shown that in developing countries, less than 10p=20
to the =A3 stays in the local economy. Sheikh this is a fact that you are
well aware off. What is needed to increase the local income levels is=20
the forward and backward linkages in the Gambia so that vegetable=20
growers, fishmongers, drinks manufacturers ect. realize a larger share=20
of the income from tourism.
- As you rightly alluded to, the concept of the Gambia as a smiling=20
coast needs to be revisited. The concept of holiday paradise where two=20
weeks holidays becomes the norm at cheap bargaining prices of which=20
package tours and all inclusive are the worst examples should be=20
adequately addressed. We need the Gambian market to be competitive=20
- but cheap bargains at what cost?.The quality of tourists visiting is=20
very important. Before i left in 1997, out of pocket expenditure was=20
declining and it is this expenditure that goes to people at the craft=20
market, taxi drivers and other local businesses set up to support the=20
industry. We need tourist that will spend, but to do so government=20
policy and incentives to the sector needs to be right.
- If flights are cheap with the advent of mass tourism, it is the=20
hoteliers and locals that suffer the loss of income because tour=20
operators will still maintain their margins and negotiate cheaper beds=20
prices. Local employment creation suffers as hotels will not be able to
take on staff since they have to keep controls on their overheads.=20
-The issue of tourism as new colonialism, disturbing peoples tradition=20
and way of life with the negative vices that accompanies it has to be=20
addressed. How may times have Gambians been harassed in the beach for=20
just taking a stroll or jogging near the hotels. My wife was once=20
stopped at the fajara hotel for jogging down the beach with a friend by
some police officer. The beach should be accessible to all without=20
restrictions.
- Job security is also an important issue that needs to be emphasized=20
and i get disturbed when i read in the papers the arbitrary hire and=20
fire policies of hotels. You should ensure that maximum use is made of=20
the labor laws.
-The key issue is how do we increase the monetary gains for the Gambian
stakeholder in the sector. Presently the distribution is skewed towards
the foreign nationals/ tour operators and hoteliers. We need ways and=20
means of increasing local/Gambian benefits.
-Mass tourism is here to stay and can only get bigger as the world=20
becomes a global village. Like many other sectors we are competing in=20
a more competitive global environment. There are more exotic=20
destinations offering better facilities than ours. You need to address=20
how to use and optimize our local environment to our advantage -=20
diversifying the market and sources, eco-tourism to help in=20
environmental conservation, rural tourism ect.
The demand for tourism is ever increasing and as a result we have to be
strategically placed to ensure that tourist pay the proper economic=20
prices and stakeholders share the profits properly.
Good Luck to you and Batch, Lye and Ardi and all the Gambian players=20
who are so instrumental in this sector. Your input and expertise should
be listen to by the authorities and put into practice. Lets hope that=20
with this we will witness a rebirth and rejuvenation of tourism in the=20
Gambia.
Cheers
basil
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:41:17 GMT Sidi M=20
Sanneh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sheikh Tejan,
>=20
> Thank you for your list of issues that plague the sector presently. I mi=
ght
> add that some fundamental issues would have to be addressed if the sector=
is
> to be revilatised to stay competitive. Issues such as product
> diversification, all inclusive, the role of government, the tax regime et=
c.
> The workshop will certainly cover these issues but I am of the view that
> long term solutions to these and other structural and policy issues can o=
nly
> come with a comprehensive study with extensive consultations with private
> operators, local entrepreneurs, civic society etc. Economic/financial
> analysis of the various options available to determine their viability. =
For
> example, recently there has been talk of cultural and eco-tourism. Are th=
ese
> strategies viable, what does Gambia have to offer in this domain etc. etc=
.
> The comparative advantage enjoyed by the sector is fast dissipating and
> every effort must be made to arrest this decline. The environmental issue=
s
> must also be addressed comprehensively and thus the need to finalise the
> Coastal Erosion Study so that beach erosion problem can be addressed
> expeditiously as well.
>=20=0D=0A
> Since it does not appear that I will be able to travel next week (due to =
the
> number of work days lost as a result of recent events in Abidjan), I take
> this opportunity to wish you and the rest of the participants successful
> deliberations. Both the ADB and IFC will participate in the workshop.
> Thanks
>=20
> Sidi Sanneh
>=20
>=20
> >From: Sheikh Tejan Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: The death of Tourism
> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:44:00 +0100
> >
> >Karamba and Sidi,
> >Thanks for your comments on the sector which is in deep crizes but
> >hopefully we will be deliberating on the
> >major issues affecting the sector and do hope that this time we will mov=
e
> >forward.
> >The major problems with the sector is as follows;
> >1; The inadequate infrastructure resulting to constant power cuts.--
> >2. Seasonally constrains
> >3 Lack of positive thinking technical Director within the Department of
> >State for Tourism
> >4. Lack of government commitment in plowing back part of the receipts fr=
om
> >tourism for the promotion of the
> >sector.
> >5. The need for a new image different from The smiling coast which was
> >adopted as a slogan since 1981.
> >6. Insecurity in hotels, rule of hire and fire, remuneration's and
> >incentives.
> >7. Drainage of foreign exchange earnings for importation of items for
> >tourism consumption.
> >8. Lack of attention on the social problems of the sector i.e. Increase =
or
> >accelerated rate of prostitution,
> >homosexuality, bumster problems etc
> >9.Lack of further training facilities overseas for Gambians.
> >
> >10. Lack of tax incentives to investors especially Tour operator.
> >With due respect Karamba , the new Secretary of State for Tourism Yanku=
ba
> >Touray has made a good start since
> >he took over. HE has commissioned a study for the creation of a tourism
> >authority and has also commission
> >the classification of hotel all which will be adopted at the conference.
> >These two areas are of great
> >importance to the sector.You will be sup rise to learn that these were p=
art
> >of our tourism policy adopted
> >for 1995-2000 and never implemented. My rating for the policy is 10 over
> >100. Does this give you an idea how
> >badly the industry needed action ?
> >
> >I hope to bring you an update after the workshop.
> >Chi Jamma
> >Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
> >[log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > As reported in the Daily Observer today, the tourism industry is faci=
ng
> >an
> > > unmitigating disaster this season. They are expecting the lowest numb=
er
> >of
> > > visitors ever, continuing a downward spiral that if unchecked might d=
oom
> >the
> > > industry entirely. The thousands of people who make their living eith=
er
> > > directly or through associated services catering to tourism would sad=
ly
> >be
> > > consigned to what this government wrought on the larger Gambian
> >community be
> > > it farmers, civil servants and small businesspeople. A sector as cruc=
ial
> >and
> > > full of potential as Tourism is left to literally wither in the vines
> >through
> > > lack of funding, poor management and utter callousness. What Yahya
> >Jammeh has
> > > done is to allocate a few million Dalasis (about D6million the last t=
ime
> >I
> > > checked) and appoint a political hatchetman who doesn't even know ho=
w
> >to
> > > fold a napkin much less improve the hospitality industry. The few
> >talented
> > > people in the ministry who can actually craft ideas lack the clout t=
o
> >see
> > > their work through. As a result while Tourism officials from other
> >countries
> > > use valuable time and effort courting business and persuading operato=
rs
> >to
> > > come to Cape verde or Senegal, Yankuba Touray is busy frothing his mo=
uth
> > > about how great Yahya Jammeh is and how he intends to give this to t=
hat
> > > group in two years! The result is very predictable in that he will
> >almost
> > > certainly run the industry to the ground because the remaining hotels
> >can't
> > > sustain operations much less grow if the visitors are choosing
> >somewhereelse.
> > > The industry receives no tangible incentives and must often times
> >contend
> > > with ever-increasing tax rates, onerous regulations and a host of oth=
er
> > > circumstances not conducive to business in general. What the industry
> >needs
> > > most is a government that is focused on nurturing the private sector =
in
> > > general and is committed to making it the engine of growth and
> >prosperity. In
> > > their case, such a government would make tourism a priority by
> >establishing a
> > > professionally run and adequately funded agency with a clear mandate =
to
> > > aggressively court tour operators to bring in the visitors. Parallel =
to
> >that,
> > > the gov't would work with the industry to help them improve services
> >through
> > > incentive provisions and other ancillary things the gov't can do to m=
ake
> > > their visitors have a pleasant stay. Part of the reason some visitors
> >don't
> > > return is because as it is ,Gambia provides a qualitatively inadequat=
e
> > > experience for visitors compared to our competitors. It is a disgrace
> >that
> > > even the very few sites we offer to our visitors be in Juffuray or Fo=
rt
> > > bullen are so poorly kept or organized that going there is much of a
> >chore
> > > than a nice outing. Having some poor lady mumbling on a ramshackle st=
ool
> > > about Kunta Kinteh is not a profound encounter for anybody and the tr=
uth
> >is
> > > there is sufficient history and sites to make them all great.Another
> >option a
> > > different gov't would consider is to initiate a partnering scheme in
> >which
> > > tax rates for Tourism related businesses would be reduced with the
> > > understanding that savings realized would be invested into improving
> > > services. The rationale for such a deal would be that an improved
> >product
> > > would in the longer term grow the industry and also serve as a strong
> > > incentive for newcomers to come in an invest. You will not attract
> >investors
> > > into country with near confiscatory taxes coupled with a government t=
hat
> >is
> > > generally considered vile and indolent.
> > > In the meantime the good people of the tourism industry would h=
ave
> >to
> > > endure another failed season with all its effect on the people who ar=
e
> >trying
> > > do their bit to both take care of their families and lift the nation =
in
> >the
> > > process. Like the rest of the nation they have this albatross called
> >Yahya
> > > Jammeh hanging over their neck. He and his cronies who collectively a=
re
> > > unlikely to succeed in any merit based endeavor have nonetheless made
> > > themselves custodians of our nation's fate. What they have done to
> >destroy
> > > tourism is representative of their overall record spanning the gov't=
.
> >They
> > > have neither the ability nor even the inclination to do right by the
> >tourism
> > > industry . They would substitute lies and threats for substantive
> >policies
> > > and would prefer to add you to their incedious grand scheme of puttin=
g
> >as
> > > many people as they can on a charity leash with people owing their
> > > livelihoods to crumbs fed to them by Yahya himself. He wants people t=
o
> >queue
> > > at his feet be it through gov't or his socalled charities to beg for=
a
> > > living after he has consciously and deliberately destroyed your best
> > > available means of sustenance. This is how tyrants scheme to control =
and
> > > ultimately enslave their people.
> > > The gov't would soon come out with another canard about how they
> >have
> > > great plans for the 2002 season with silly claims of visions worse th=
an
> >a
> > > pipe dream . The only salvation is they would not be around come that
> >time
> > > and we would have a gov't that would finally work with the industry =
to
> >move
> > > forward.
> > > Karamba
> > >
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Ms. Dagmar Christensen:
I could not agree more with your counsel to do more. Given that we are
all in different cities, countries and even continents and wish to
ensure free and fair elections, I suggest we recommence the
petion/letter writing drive and have our computer specialists coordinate
the technical aspects of the drive. Democracy has to be fought for, it
will never be given to the people on a silver platter by these
dictators.
We can send the letters every where and to anyone who cares enough to
listen. We must send one to Jammeh, Wade, Obasanjo, OAU etc.
Any volunteers to draft the letter and coordinate the technical part of
the drive?
Abdoulaye
adama jombel wrote:
>
> Dr Saine & Glers,
> History tells us where we have been with the Jammeh regime. We have
> witnessed unprecedented murders,arson,arbitrary arrest& detention,
> intimidation and the list goes on.
> To do something about where we want to go - we need to redouble our efforts
> towards ensuring a free and fair election happening.
>
> The question is where do we go from here?.What are the protocols for
> contacting organizations that monitor elections.?
>
> Does anyone have status on where the process for absentee voting stands now?
>
> Any ideas and or suggestions?
>
> Cheers
> Dagmar Christensen
>
> >From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
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> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: "Le Boss" has fled!
> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:41:17 -0400
> >
> >Madiba & N'dey:
> >
> >Gen. Robert Geui's removal from office through a spontaneous revolt by
> >the Ivorian People is indeed remarkable.
> >
> >A year from now Gambians could also be holding a Presidential election.
> >And if it is free and fair, Jammeh would be defeated. Unfortunately, he
> >is more than likely to try and repeat the 1996 Presidential election
> >through delays, cancellations and engineering of the results. This
> >"Soldier-Turned-President" syndrome must end!
> >
> >Therefore, we must all double our efforts and continue to agitate for
> >free and fair elections with international observers. Let us also
> >financially support the opposition parties.
> >
> >Abdoulaye
> >No justice, no peace!
> >Jammeh Must GO!
> >
> >
> >
> >Madiba Saidy wrote:
> > >
> > > Ndey,
> > >
> > > Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
> > > dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
> > > illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
> > > book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
> > > Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Madiba.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> > >
> > > > Madiba,
> > > >
> > > > I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is
> >another historic achievement in the
> > > > continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to
> >dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> > > > make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not
> >only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> > > > well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators
> >that "Power belong to the Masses".
> > > > People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
> >especially in West Africa.
> > > > Thanks to Sidi for all the information
> > > >
> > > > The Struggle Continues!!
> > > > Ndey Jobarteh
> > >
> > >
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Bro. Habib,
Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is not
only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between Gbagbo
and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's reference to
"President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry between
the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even after
meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead supporters" and
not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert further
bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and one of
the options available
to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU, ECOWAS and
countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and sensitive
issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long run.
Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a clear
and unequivocal stance on this one.
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I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until recently when I
decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started up to this day
today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if I sum it up it
would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in the Gambia. I
might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here.
Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break into if hell
breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to teach us
lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be? Can we predict
it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do we think it would
take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the others will come
to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have only seen this
happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa never has any
member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy we get is poor
africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some crack wheat
that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I met and what he
said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I became refugee from
the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I could walk back home
but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell fire broke out
again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my precious time in
Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are looking for does
not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our democracy by being
there investing, contributing and educating the people rather than shouting
from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a violent way.
Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution here, I did not
mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
/Aisha
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Habib:
Yes, do ask for his permission first. If he gives it, fine; and if he
doesn't, that is still understandable.
Ebrima Ceesay
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>Ebrima
>Dr Lamin Mbye is a professor at a local university in Salisbury , Maryland-
>Near Ocean City
>I will tryy to get you his nummber but first I have to ask his permission
>Habib Diab Ghanimm, Sr
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Ebrima,
wish you the best with the research.
Mboge
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>Gambia-L:
>
>I want to say thank you to the List Members who have been enquiring about
>my
>well-being.
>
>Well, I am happy to report that all is well with me, and that I am looking
>forward to recommencing my contributions to Gambia-L.
>
>For all of you who have been wondering what has happened to me during the
>last seven weeks, I can report that I have been busy putting together a
>Research Proposal for a higher degree, and have just had confirmation of my
>registration on the programme. I am now trying to adjust to life as a
>full-time research student again.
>
>I should like to thank Dr Abdoulie Saine for his encouragement and support,
>and my UK sponsors who have committed themselves to paying my University
>fees, including field trips.
>
>My research interest is Third World Politics, with an emphasis on
>Democratisation under the Military in The Gambia in particluar, and Africa
>in general, and so if Yahya Jammeh thinks that he is now free from my
>comments and criticisms, I have to inform him that I am still around, and
>still fighting for freedom and the restoration of human rights in my
>homeland. I shall endeavour to contribute regularly to Gambia-L, and shall
>ask my sources in The Gambia to recommence their private postings to me so
>that I can pass these on to the List.
>
>In fact, I should like to thank my sources for their patience – they have
>continued to send me information and comment, but I have not had the free
>time to post these messages (which have now been overtaken by events) on to
>a wider audience. Anyway, I am now in the position to be forwarding
>messages from my sources in The Gambia to the List members.
>
>Ndey Jobarteh: how’s your son? I hope he does not cry at night to disturb
>you and Saiks! My warmest regards to Brothers Kabir, Saiks, Omar Drammeh
>and
>the rest of the Gambian crew in Norway.
>
>Jabou Joh and Isatou Njie – your Brother is well, apart from being harassed
>by the unending rainfall in the UK! Sister Jabou, please extend my warmest
>greetings to your kids.
>
>Kebba Dampha – I have just seen your last piece on the situation in Cote
>d’Ivoire and it was well thought out. I enjoyed reading it. Keep up the
>good
>work!
>
>Sheikh Tijan Nyang – thanks for the information you are forwarding to the
>List; we appreciate your kind gestures.
>
>Can anyone on the L help to put me into contact with a Dr Lamin Mbye, who
>did his PhD in History at Birmingham University (?? in the seventies). One
>of Dr Mbye's former Professors at Birmingham would like to get in touch (or
>re-establish contacts) with him. Dr Mbye is possibly working in the USA,
>according to the Professor.
>
>Greetings to everyone on the List.
>
>Ebrima Ceesay
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> Introductory Remarks
> by
> Laurent Gbagbo,
> President of Front Populaire Ivoirien
> The National Press Club, Washington DC, on June 23, 1997
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> As surprising as it may sound, multiparty politics was authorized in Cote
> d'lvoire only on April 30, 1990 after thirty years of national
sovereignty.
> Our constitution provides for numerous rights and freedoms, yet and for
most
> Ivorians it is clear that democracy to this moment still remains held up
to
> ridicule in our country. Most of our compatriots have the unsettling
feeling
> that the closer we get to the year 2000 the more our freedoms are
curtailed.
>
> In Cote d'Ivoire, the State apparatus is not partial. The current
> administration's refusal to resolutely opt for the path of democratic
> reforms as well as its tragic stubbornness against sizing up the winds of
> change and the irreversible character of the democratic process have
shrivel
> the political and social relations, thus poisoning the political climate.
> The State, instead of being the protector of all, hounds down large
segments
> of the population. Having given up on maintaining a neutral posture, the
> security forces, clothed and paid with Ivorian taxpayer's money, have
> ruthlessly repress prodemocratic militants. As a matter of fact, the
> government bureaucracy has acquired itself a habit: that of cloaking
itself
> in the ruling party's colors. Consequence: before facing up the ruling
party
> proper during general elections all opposition candidates do have first to
> contend with their first opponents: the prefectoral and sub-prefectoral
> bureaucracies. To this one should add the side-stepping of electoral
> transparency by the government both in 1990 and 1995 and the heavy-handed
> control of the Interior ministry over the whole electoral process.
>
> Everyday, discredit and opprobium are heaped onto democratic opposition
> parties and their leaders. Everyday, opposition parties and their leaders
> are demonized and subjected to Intimidations, beatings, and imprisonment.
>
> State media are monopolized by the current administration and turned into
> the ruling party's instrument of propaganda, occultation, and even of
> sabotage of opposition activities. To muzzle the private press, carrier of
> hope of freedom, libel suits for "offense to the Head of State",,
incitement
> to violence suits as well as many other exotic suits on trumped charges
are
> common place against journalists. To this already long list of violence
and
> violations, one should add the judiciary branch, a branch completely
> subjugated to the current administration. Our judiciary branch is adept at
> shying away from honoring its responsibility.
>
> Put together all these basic human rights violations, micro-management of
> the judiciary branch, and attempts at gagging the private press have lead
to
> the perverting of the whole democratic process in Cote d'Ivoire where the
> ruling party is both judge and judged.
>
> Born out of a serious social crisis, the multiparty experience in Cote
> d'Ivoire until now has evolved through crises. Taking stock of these
crises,
> it is clear that with regard to democracy the Ivorian society has not yet
> reached a new "consensus." It is also quite obvious that confidence in the
> current administration's ability to propose a coherent and progressive
path
> to succeed at this democratic experiment has disappeared. This is why the
> ruling PDCI's stubborn drive towards bringing Ivorians back to the
one-party
> system, its commitment to impose, by all means, PDCI's one-party system
once
> again, remains a real subject of serious concern for my party, the Ivorian
> Popular Front.
>
> This situation is particularly troubling in view of one of the most
striking
> teachings of contemporary Third World history: it is the power structure's
> refusal to dialogue with their legal opposition that sooner or later has
> produced armed oppositions. Whether in Africa with Machel, Agostino Neto
and
> Amilcar Cabral, or in Asia Ho Chi Minh and Giap, it should be noted that
> none of those liberation leaders have chosen to engage in armed struggle
at
> the onset; they were forced to it by those in powers. These nationalists
> were only demanding independence and the exercise of basic freedoms. They
> all tried to negotiate for a peaceful path to independence, to no avail.
> Indeed, it is the refusal to listen to them that have forced them into
armed
> struggle. More recently in Zaire, this threshold of exasperation has been
> reached in a dosage that was poisonous. Laurent Desire Kabila and his
troops
> provided the straw that had finally broken the camel's back and Mobutu had
> no other choice than to leave. The same history teaches us equally that
most
> civil wars in Africa came out of poorly organized elections. In Liberia,
for
> instance, it is the intolerance, the totalitarianism of the exslaves that
> has led to the military coup that brought Samuel Doe to power in 1980.
> Ironically, five years later, the same intolerance and totalitarianism
will
> pushed Samuel Doe into rigging the 1985 elections. Therein lies why some
> people in Liberia felt they had no other options than to take up arms.
>
> In Burundi, FRODEBU won fair and square during democratic elections and
its
> leader Melshior N'Dadaye came out elected President. Three months later,
> refusing to accept President Ndadaye's victory, retrograde forces
> assassinated him and many of his aides. And the country, ladies and
> gentlemen, has been destabilized. In Nigeria, democratic elections have
been
> organized by the Babanguida administration, yet when Abiola came out the
> victor, his victory was not accepted. Today, Nigeria is a destabilized
> country looking like a drunken boat on indomitable waves. To believe that
> one should always govern tends to sooner or later provoke internal
> conflagrations. In Africa, as anywhere else, nobody is ever strong enough
to
> be strong forever. We are worried.
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, My party, its militants and leaders, deeply love Me
> d'Ivoire. It is painful for us Africans to see the situation in which our
> countries find themselves because of the selfishness of some backward
> forces. Nevertheless,- the FPI refuses to be driven to despair about Cote
> d'Ivoire and continues to believe in the future of our country. We
continue
> to dream of a day where the whole Ivorian society will reconcile with
> itself. It is with these feelings of great urgency that the FPI is calling
> once again for an immediate opening of dialogue to prepare for a serene
> future for Cote d'Ivoire. The current period could not be more propitious
> for such an undertaking. For we are sufficiently far away from the last
> elections so as to escape its crops of resentment and yet not close enough
> to the next elections to feel its pressures.
>
> Reducing and eliminating the current tension, restoring confidence and the
> flourishing of freedoms will inevitably mean establishing a new consensus
> around four (4) priority themes:
>
> 1. A revision of the electoral system to be based on proportional
> representation and nondiscriminatory laws
> 2. A development policy based on institutional reforms and
decentralization
> 3. A liberalization of state-owned media and the promotion of a free
press.
> 4. A regional integration of West African economies.
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> 23, 1997
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:49:51 EDT
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It is interesting what democracy could bring.
Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland since 1989
has won a City council election and will be serving his city Lappeenranta for
a four year term.
For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this forum. He
was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener pastures
and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of the City
of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of the
city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
Ousman Bojang.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:06:32 +0100
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Aisah,
This your "Congo"man could really enjoy Africa,it is much more to say that
he did not want to leave the comfort of Europe.Yes you have been monitoring
the G/l and all you have been reading is a cry for unrest in the
Gambia,are you Angel Aisha-come save Gambia through G/L,welcome Angel.But as
you know it was not the people in the G/L who were responsible for April
10,this event was as a result of the fascist rule in our country,you did not
even read here to know what some of the contributors in this forum have been
doing to help the victims of April 10th or it does not interest you ?check
the mails from sisters Sigga and do you your calculations again,we better
talk now before it is too late,before another April 10,before another
Congo.How can people just demand that we should be passive onlookers to the
detonating condition in our dear land?Do you need to use your energy to call
on us for peace ?are we the people shooting at defenceless students ? are we
detaining people for months without given them the chance to let their case
be heard ? are we the founders of July 22 movement,did we set any radio
station on fire ?
And then my dear Aisha wrote;
"....all the messages I have been getting from here is,if I sum it up it
would be a cry for political-cultural-and tribal unrest in the Gambia.I
might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here..."
You cant just accuse us with such serious charges and then apologise for it,
such activities do qualify for treason charges.Did you read here that Dr
Saine have been asking Katim to cut the heads of people like Karamba
because they belong to another tribe.With all the literary works,with all
the fine political analysis and debate,with all the personal
communications,with all the books from GESO to Gambian students,with all the
infor on jobs and scholarship in this forum,all that you can "sum
up.....from here" is civil unrest,you must be a very bad matamatician Your
treason charges against us is no call for peace but a threat to peace.
For Freedom
Saiks
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:16 PM
Subject: CRYING PEACE!!!!
> I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until recently when I
> decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started up to this day
> today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if I sum it up it
> would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in the Gambia. I
> might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here.
>
> Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break into if hell
> breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to teach us
> lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be? Can we predict
> it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do we think it
would
> take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the others will come
> to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have only seen this
> happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa never has any
> member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy we get is
poor
> africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some crack wheat
> that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
> Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I met and what he
> said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I became refugee
from
> the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I could walk back
home
> but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell fire broke out
> again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my precious time in
> Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
>
> What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are looking for does
> not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our democracy by being
> there investing, contributing and educating the people rather than
shouting
> from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a violent way.
>
> Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution here, I did
not
> mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
>
> /Aisha
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Thanks brother Sidi
Let us see what the OAU committee of TEN will come up with in the next eight days.
A new election is a must in order to solve the problem and bring peace back to Abidjan finally.
I find it hard to believe what is going on in the minds of our folks when they kill each other be it in the
Miiddleeast or Africa. It contradicts all religious laws yet they burn and kill in the name of God and their
countries or leaders.
Is the end near or has it arrived?? (laugh)
Habib
Sidi Sanneh wrote:
> Bro. Habib,
>
> Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is not
> only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between Gbagbo
> and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
> embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's reference to
> "President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry between
> the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even after
> meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead supporters" and
> not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert further
> bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and one of
> the options available
> to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
> re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU, ECOWAS and
> countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and sensitive
> issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long run.
> Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a clear
> and unequivocal stance on this one.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
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OUS,
Good news and congrats to Baks,extend my vest greetings to him.
For Freedom
Saiks
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> It is interesting what democracy could bring.
> Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland since
1989
> has won a City council election and will be serving his city Lappeenranta
for
> a four year term.
> For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this forum.
He
> was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
pastures
> and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of the
City
> of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of the
> city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
> Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
> interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
>
> Ousman Bojang.
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Poor Aisha, keep staying on the sideline, watching/keeping silent [once in a
while throwing accusatory jabs at G-Lers] as Gambia goes down the tube. In
every society, there are those, who sit idly by and watch things happen;
there are the rhetorical-reactionary [bloodsucker] lot, who wants to ruin
everything in sight, good or bad; then there's the true realistic
organizer/symphatizer [hundreds of them on the L] who see's Africa and Gambia
in a holistic sphere. Gambians deserve better than Yahya Jammeh and his
cronies. To be blunt could you tell us specifically, where you stand on this
debate on military dogma and rulers in Gambia or Africa, you choose?
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Congratulations, and best wishes. We're proud of you.
Maila Touray
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It is interesting what democracy could bring.
Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland
since 1989
has won a City council election and will be serving his city
Lappeenranta for
a four year term.
For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this
forum. He
was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
pastures
and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of
the City
of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member
of the
city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put
the
interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your
family.
Ousman Bojang.
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hey what's up guy? long time no hear man. Insha Allah, we'll be closing on
that house in Yonkers on Monday and will hopefully move in the next two weeks
or so. Call me at 718 862 9002
SAUL
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Congratulations to the brother who got elected to his local city council in
Finland. I suggest he use his position well to educate those he can reach
about the wrongs of the illegal present regime back home.
Best of luck in all future endeavors.
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Ebrima,
It is good to know you are well, and positioning yourself to contribute even
more to our welfare as a people. I am happy about that.I am also happy to
know that your souces are just fine.I look forward to your contributions on
the L again. The rain is a permanent fixture in the U.K, so i hope you get
used to it. My advice is to take up gardening.(lol)
Jabou
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This is a very good question Dagmar. Pursuing the isuse of "election
monitors" is a must, and so is the absentee vote. These two important issues
have been mentioned several times on this forum, but it is time we get down
to the business of making them a priority, and a reality.
Election monitors have been used in many instances in the World and what we
need to know is the process required. I know that former President Jimmy
Carter has been involved in the monitoring of elections and i will contact
the Carter Center and get some information. Some of the folks in Atlanta can
also help in this regard.
As for the absentee vote, I suggest that those who can shed some light on
how to proceed should provide this information. Perhaps this question can be
raised with the head of the IEC now visiting in Washington? We must move
beyond debating and make some of these ideas a reality, and it takes a
collective effort to make it happen.Just a handful of people cannot do it.
Jabou Joh
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Dr Saine & Glers,
History tells us where we have been with the Jammeh regime. We have
witnessed unprecedented murders,arson,arbitrary arrest& detention,
intimidation and the list goes on.
To do something about where we want to go - we need to redouble our efforts
towards ensuring a free and fair election happening.
The question is where do we go from here?.What are the protocols for
contacting organizations that monitor elections.?
Does anyone have status on where the process for absentee voting stands now?
Any ideas and or suggestions?
Cheers
Dagmar Christensen
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Am just getting to your mail. I'll try you tomorrow.
Congratulations, and all the best on the house.
Maila Touray
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hey what's up guy? long time no hear man. Insha Allah, we'll be
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I think the main factor affecting tourism is the change in the political
climate.
Tourists came to the Gambia for one overlying reason: The peace and serenity
that the country offered. I am sure some of us can recall the period of the
late 70's and 80's when there was no army. The Field Force was present but
their presence was rarely felt on the beaches and most areas of the country.
There was the occasional police man walking unarmed perhaps with a truncheon
for unruly elements. No guns, and no menacing or threatening attitude. Our
faithful tourists would come to the country year after year to enjoy this
peace and serenity.
Now the situation is different. Like it or not, The Gambia is a military
state and the presence of men with little education and much less regard for
basic human rights carrying AK 47s and M16s cannot be avoided. Most of the
repeat visitors, of which there were many, have most likely noticed the
change in political climate. And, except for the few brave faithful, the
majority have decided to stay away.
I understand that there are other underlying factors that are killing this
trade. the country's multitude of attractions have not been adequately
developed to cater to tourists nor is their a good campaign to get these
people to visit beautiful Gambia. But I can bet my last Dollar that if the
Gambian returns to civility and once again becomes the civil, relaxed,
beautiful place it once was, the old faithful will return in record numbers.
Until then, the tourist industry will continue to die slowly.
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--- Ousman Bojang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> It is interesting what democracy could bring.
> Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and
> been in Finland since 1989
> has won a City council election and will be serving
> his city Lappeenranta for
> a four year term.
> For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant
> member of this forum. He
> was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of
> us for greener pastures
> and have always been interested in politics. He has
> been a member of the City
> of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and
> second member of the
> city council. He will be taking his new position on
> November 1st.
> Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors.
> Remember to put the
> interest of your people first. My best regards to
> you and your family.
>
> Ousman Bojang.
Dear Brother Bakary:
Congratulations.I wish you every
success in your new role.May the Good Lord guide and
bless your efforts in Finland.
Sincerely,
Sulayman S. Nyang
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Congratulation Bakary , you made it . We all gambians living in Finland Are
very much proud of you. We always want you to redouble your efford and
prepaire to face die hard critics .
You´ve now paved the way for other gambians to do as we did in
finland.Gambians, support your fellow gambians or Africans to play a
meaningfull role in the society.I hope many will follow now.
Kiitos Bakary , Ja toivotta sinut kaikki
mailmassæ.
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>It is interesting what democracy could bring.
>Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland since
>1989
>has won a City council election and will be serving his city Lappeenranta
>for
>a four year term.
>For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this forum. He
>was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
>pastures
>and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of the
>City
>of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of the
>city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
>Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
>interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Babies
Babies are sweet and loving,
Hate hunger and pain,
A particle of discomfort,
Make them screammy,
And drive them frisky.
Breast-feed them,
Watch them eat,
Watch them drink, and let
Them grow. This rings your bell,
The prancing toddlers
These are guests on visit.
And will dominate you in
Time, and in leisure, unless;
You join the no moms, or
Dad's not- to-be wombs
Or discontinuation.
Cry, GLOBAL fusillade,
Kiss your babies.
Now faith and school,
Hug your babies,
Take care of your babies
The whirlwind is blowing.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
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M. Sanneh, Ms Christensen and others,
I would like to contribute by doing the german translation once a petition is written and agreed upon, and to spread it in Germany, both e- and snail-mail, to the concerning orgs., offices.
The struggle is on!
Regards
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[log in to unmask] schrieb am 27.10.00:
> Ms. Dagmar Christensen:
>
> I could not agree more with your counsel to do more. Given that we are
> all in different cities, countries and even continents and wish to
> ensure free and fair elections, I suggest we recommence the
> petion/letter writing drive and have our computer specialists coordinate
> the technical aspects of the drive. Democracy has to be fought for, it
> will never be given to the people on a silver platter by these
> dictators.
>
> We can send the letters every where and to anyone who cares enough to
> listen. We must send one to Jammeh, Wade, Obasanjo, OAU etc.
>
> Any volunteers to draft the letter and coordinate the technical part of
> the drive?
>
> Abdoulaye
>
> adama jombel wrote:
> >
> > Dr Saine & Glers,
> > History tells us where we have been with the Jammeh regime. We have
> > witnessed unprecedented murders,arson,arbitrary arrest& detention,
> > intimidation and the list goes on.
> > To do something about where we want to go - we need to redouble our efforts
> > towards ensuring a free and fair election happening.
> >
> > The question is where do we go from here?.What are the protocols for
> > contacting organizations that monitor elections.?
> >
> > Does anyone have status on where the process for absentee voting stands now?
> >
> > Any ideas and or suggestions?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dagmar Christensen
> >
> > >From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: "Le Boss" has fled!
> > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:41:17 -0400
> > >
> > >Madiba & N'dey:
> > >
> > >Gen. Robert Geui's removal from office through a spontaneous revolt by
> > >the Ivorian People is indeed remarkable.
> > >
> > >A year from now Gambians could also be holding a Presidential election.
> > >And if it is free and fair, Jammeh would be defeated. Unfortunately, he
> > >is more than likely to try and repeat the 1996 Presidential election
> > >through delays, cancellations and engineering of the results. This
> > >"Soldier-Turned-President" syndrome must end!
> > >
> > >Therefore, we must all double our efforts and continue to agitate for
> > >free and fair elections with international observers. Let us also
> > >financially support the opposition parties.
> > >
> > >Abdoulaye
> > >No justice, no peace!
> > >Jammeh Must GO!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Madiba Saidy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ndey,
> > > >
> > > > Don't get too excited! Mr. Yaya Jammeh will NEVER get the message. The
> > > > dude cannot live a decent life anywhere outside the state house being an
> > > > illiterate that he is (with no skills). So, he'll try all tricks in the
> > > > book to remain in power. It is Gambian masses who should learn from our
> > > > Ivorian cousins that powers belongs to them!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > Madiba.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Madiba,
> > > > >
> > > > > I completely agree with you that it is a great day in Africa. This is
> > >another historic achievement in the
> > > > > continent and this time Ivory Coast. Are we witnessing an end to
> > >dictatorship in Africa or it is too early to
> > > > > make that conclusion. I guess Jammeh will get the message now, not
> > >only Yugoslavia can do it but Africa as
> > > > > well and again in West Africa. This is a reminder to all dictators
> > >that "Power belong to the Masses".
> > > > > People are tired and feed up with military hypocrisy and brutality
> > >especially in West Africa.
> > > > > Thanks to Sidi for all the information
> > > > >
> > > > > The Struggle Continues!!
> > > > > Ndey Jobarteh
> > > >
> > > >
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Dr Saine,
It was after i sent the reply t oDagmar's post that I saw your suggestion. I
think it is a fine one, in addition to redoubling the effort to make serious
efforts to see what can be done regarding the absentee ballot, as well as
election monitoring.
Also, thanks Andrea Klumpp, and it has been a while since we heard from you.
Hope all is well with you.
Jabou Joh
[log in to unmask] schrieb am 27.10.00:
> Ms. Dagmar Christensen:
>
> I could not agree more with your counsel to do more. Given that we are
> all in different cities, countries and even continents and wish to
> ensure free and fair elections, I suggest we recommence the
> petion/letter writing drive and have our computer specialists coordinate
> the technical aspects of the drive. Democracy has to be fought for, it
> will never be given to the people on a silver platter by these
> dictators.
>
> We can send the letters every where and to anyone who cares enough to
> listen. We must send one to Jammeh, Wade, Obasanjo, OAU etc.
>
> Any volunteers to draft the letter and coordinate the technical part of
> the drive?
>
> Abdoulaye
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Yunusa,
this is Secka Bai and where haave you been?
Bye
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>Hello Sidi,
>
>Thumps up for the updates you are sending from your hideout. You are doing
>a great job. Meanwhile stay
>cautious about security and send my regards to your family and the rest of
>the other colleagues. Peace to
>Cote D'Ivoire and Africa.
>
>Regards
>
>Yunusa
>
>Sidi M Sanneh wrote:
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> > Dear Isatou,
> > Everything seems under control at the moment. General Guei has now been
> > reported to have fled Cote d'Ivoire by helicopter bound for Cotounou,
>Benin.
> > The National Television is still under the control of his forces but
> > reports reaching me is that the remaining loyalist forces have been
>ordered
> > to cease fire by the remnants of Guei forces. Meanwhile, television
>images
> > are showing the army and garndermerie with the demonstrators, and in
>fact in
> > some instances actually leading the demonstrations through the city of
> > Abidjan. The question now is where does Cote d'Ivoire go from here. The
> > picture should begin to emerge in the days ahead. Thank you for your
>concern
> > and kind regards from Neneh Jaiteh.
> > Sidi Sanneh
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Please! STOP IT
Third world nations barely survive,
Leaders waste while there isn't enough,
Worst of all not even much to rely on.
Fighting is on everywhere, on and on,
Destruction and no resources to rebuild them.
This spoilage makes me dumb and numb
To digest the destruction and not having
A dime. What's the essence to spill
The hemorrhage and fell the structures
That we struggled to erect or still repay?
Hush! Defaulting in their loans.
Even the industrialized nation don't
Ravage like us and who doubts that
Their economy is healthier? Really!
I will never digest not having enough
Resources and endlessly destroying the
Biddy bits we have. Halt the wastage!
And embark on hi- development.
The development traffic is shallow
And high, and we're below and behind.
When they talk about hi-tech we
Talking of repairing shoes. They
Say going to the depths of waters
And space heights, we say to the
Houses and to the local streets. The
Super highway network, we say
Service roads for imported cars.
Most sadden is our selves -aid for
Selves- destruction and the entire no
Cause wars. Look a minute! and
You see them as if a century ahead.
Is becoming late to fix up and work.
Deterrence seems to be established,
And problems are cyclical in the Third
World. I wish their militaries---aloof.
Lets work and concentrate.
The Time is speeding not lingering.
Those who block, please stop it.
Why obey a traffic stop sign and
Not the people's stop sign.
Here is a second thought, maybe
A third or as many, as necessary.
Men should listen to God who only
Knows the best and is the Greatest.
Please just take a minute to reflect,
Annihilate your ego and see the people
First. Just stop it! and allow the true workers.
Is about progress and not retrogress
Not about life abuse, and not about
Power hungry style of ruler ship.
I undoubtedly believed that if the
West should ceased for us to chase
Their progress, still it will take
Decades to reach where they ceased
Or awaited our progress to maximize.
Is impossible to keep up with the
Development and peaceful life
Via coup d'etats. Fighting within a
Nation is replacing development as
If fights are embodied in our real
Constitutions. Tell me now if the fights
Are the first pages of our constitutions!
That's what it seems to me with many wars.
If any leader or power fist feels that, please!
Redress to accept the unconstitutionality
Of coup d'etat or violence and upheaval.
Remember our exports are not yet listed
In the world's price index, nor do they
Have the dollar or pound value. AGAIN!
HALT the FIGHTING and DESTRUCTION,
Because there isn't resources to replace the
Displaced. Everywhere is selfish interruption
In our rocky path to development. Is even
Seemingly impossible for the workers
To work no matter, what know-how in them.
STOP IT! And any obstacle, no matter how
Insignificant it is to you, NO coup d'etat,
Matchets, guns, apaches, AK-47s,
And lets move oooooooooon!
For advancement. STOP IT NOW!
Let in, investment, production, technology,
To be on track. Our race is off track.
Stop it. Third world alert, stop it.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
Note
I apologize for using the phrase "Third World".
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But Why!
"I was just obeying orders" says a nazi German concentration camp officer to
a victims little daughter, she looked him in the eye and tears begin to
role down her eyes and replied but how about orders from God the all mighty
one! He looked at her teary eyes and began to sob
uncontrolably.But why ! But Why! The little Girl demanded for answers as she
dance in pain........
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>I cannot help, but to let my opinion be known about the above subject
>matter.
>It is utter non sense trying to justify the actions of Mr.King. As an
>officer
>of the law, regardless of who has given him instructions to use deadly
>force
>against the students, it was incumbent upon him to disobey that order. It
>was
>an immoral order, and would have been moral to disobey it. Mr. King ,
>therefore deserve no praises or accolades. He is as much responsible as
>Yaya
>is. Why did'nt he stand up against Yaya. Does'nt he has any PRINCIPLES ?
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Hi Saiks, Its close to Arabic.
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>Haruna,
>What lanuage is this ?
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
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> > Allahumma latadaalana fi makaamina hathaa thanban illa khafartahu.
> > Walaa hamman illa Farrajta.
> > Walaa haajattan laka fihaa rithan walanaa fihaa salaahun illa khadaitah.
> > Wayassirnaa fayassir umuranaa washrah shuduuranaa wanawwir
> > kulubana wakhtim bisaalihaati aamaalana.
> > Allahumma Ahyiinaa muslimiina watawaffana muslimiina walhiqnaa
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> > khaira kazayaa walaa maftooniina Aameena wabisirril
> > Faatiha:...Alhamdulillah rabbil aalamin..........
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> >
> >
> >
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> > >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:21:15 +0100
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> > >1.The Silleh, Bitaye, Faal of Albion Place regret to announce the death
> > >of Mam Metta silleh of Albion Place. This sad event occurred on Friday.
> > >Our condolences to Musa Bitaye, Ass Faal <BIG jIM, Amie faal and the
> > >rest of the extended families . May her soul rest in perfect peace.
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> > >3 The Batchily family of Hagen , janneh kunda family of Hagan street
>and
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>Our
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The French speak in terms of love and the statue of liberty the English well
statistics and differential equations.....
The Francophone like Senegal and Ivory Coast have some love and democracy
the Anglophone such as Gambia dont for the most part
not because they cant but because of complexes that are hidden in the past
such as iam better than you are... childish but it starts off negative
emotions that leads to seriuos war!
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> General Gbako was power drunk. I saw some pictures of him hobnobbing
>with
>the elite during his shopping trips to the most expensive malls in Abidjan.
>He must have seen himself as the second coming of the late Papa Hophuet
>Boigny.
>
>Once he got a taste of power and wealth, he did not want to let go. But he
>got what he deserves albeit, sadly, at a great cost to the economic beacon
>of
>Africa.
>
> Cote D'Ivoire still has tremendous issues to face. Foreigners make up
>about
>25% of the 16 million population, and they have worked quite hard to help
>make the country among the most stable economically and until recently
>politically. In fact, the popular opposition leader, Outarra, was barred
>from taking part in the elections because of his supposed nationality.
>
>Gbako, the new president, has spoken against these same foreigners and
>their
>offspring who are Ivorian by birth. This type of xenophobia cannot be
>tolerated. And, in order to be a good leader, he needs to completely
>abandon
>his xenophobic beliefs.
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>At this point, the jury is still out on Gbako. But I do sincerely hope
>that
>the country recovers quickly from this tumultuous state.
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The e-mail below is more of a commentary from one of my sources in the
Gambia. I am sending it as received - unedited.
Jabou: Yes, you are right - the rains never stop in England!
Momodou Mboge: Thanks for the support!
Ebrima
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>Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000
>
>Ebrima,
>The temporary reprieve enjoyed by Yahya and his illegal government is over.
>As Prince Obrien-Coker prepares Part II of his article, Jammeh's supporters
>are anxiously waiting to learn more about their Attorney General and
>Secretary of State for Justice who has been extra-ordinarily quiet recently
>and so has Fatoumatta Jahumpa-Ceesay. They are ALL running scared because
>of the recent upheavals in Yugoslavia and Ivory Coast leading in both cases
>to the overthrow of illegitimate Governments by "People's Power". They
>know, Gambia is next. Because Jammeh's government is peopled with
>semi-literate imbeciles who lack basic intelligence, they will continue
>with their plan to rig next year's Presidential elections. Well 2001 will
>be different from 1996.
>
>The role of the Gambia-L in ridding the Gambia of the APRC regime is now
>more important than ever. The campaign for international monitors must
>commence now as suggested by Dr. Saine, Dagmar, Jabou Joh and the German
>contingent. Every one on the L must actively take part in sensitising the
>international community, including but not limited to the Carter Center,
>National Democratic Institute, The United Nations Elections Monitoring
>Unit, The British Government, US State Department, to name just a few. As
>dr. Saine said recently, democracy will not be delivered to us on a silver
>platter. We must fight for it. And there is no better starting point than
>to sensitise the above organisations and similar organisations of the need
>to have nest year's elections monitored by impartial international
>monitors. Should the Jammeh government refuse to allow monitors, then his
>government will face the wrath of the international community and and
>uprising by the gambian people. The days of the dictator is over in
>Europe, Asia and Africa alike. For Yahya, who still lives in his fantasy
>world, he still plans to impose himself on the Gambian people, as he has
>been telling his dwindling supporters throughout his Meet the People's Tour
>which was a dismal failure.
>
>Ebrima's sources are appealing to all and sundry to start the agitation
>now. We have been able to demonstrate adequate and expose the corrupt
>nature of Jammeh and his government over the past months and so we should
>now focus on agitation, canvassing the international community for a free
>and fair election which Yahya is bound to lose. His unpopularity is at an
>all-time low and will continue to slide downward. With your help, Yahya's
>government will be voted out of office come next year. Let us enusre that
>there is a free and fair elections which can only be guaranteed by the
>presence of an international and local team of monitors. The Carter center
>should be approach immediately by those who are more familiar with the work
>of the center and/or those who have direct connection with it.
>
>Together, we shall soon drive this monster, together with his blood-sucking
>apologists and followers out of our lives.
>
>As short note to the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy in The
>Gambia. We have commenced documenting the known atrocities and other
>criminal activities of Baba Jobe, Jankuba Touray, the Singhatey brothers,
>Baboucarr Jatta (GNA) and a host of others, including some civil servants
>(particularly at the Central Bank who have been accomplices in the
>siphoning off of our meager resources to foreign bank accounts). the story
>which appeared recently on the L from a gentleman in the UK concerning Rex
>King is highly inaccurate and we are happy that he was given a fitting
>reply from another member of the L. As regards the order to shoot, the
>opposition has a copy of the tape from the original source which will not
>be devulge at this time. At the appropriate moment, the proof will be
>displayed before a proper court of law. Don't worry, we will get you as
>much information as possible through Ebrima. Thank you
>
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For me and you and them too our "Brother"
More than telling them off they want us to acknowledge their efforts and
sacrifices.They want to compromise not by words alone but more so
by actions such as if we are given their uniform will we take it on for
Gambia.Such as if we will kill them for Gambias sake will we be willing to
die on her behalf.We sure are not speaking in terms of the same currency of
exchange but when we observe we are on the road to a sure
peace and reconciliation.
Swallowing a bitter pill is what we should all for the place we see
ahead for our children and pride.
We must unite this divided continent so the future of the human race will
not be a razor sharpe exchanges.
Dawda i am not sarcastic to me ? stands for, where are you so we can speak
peace. I cant prove that i love you as a brother but i do as a
Gambian and Poet.
karl
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> Ideological Tolerance
>
>Just because of a different
>Economic concept, slumping
>Me as an economic vagabond.
>Because of a blue political ideology
>From your reddish, is also a threat,
>Snubbing me as a political vagabond.
>A slight societal belief and more
>Brain drains, an other foe,
>Painting me as a sociological vagabond.
>
>What a great amusement to the
>World at large, merry go round
>And round, if the guests' rooms
>In Downy Street, Pennsylvania
>Avenue, Marina Parade and all other
>Taxpayers' buildings hosted men
>With opposing views, in these guests
>Rooms. Stereotyping, labeling, and
>Intimidating BRAINS is very unethical,
>So call them for coffee or "morr- morr."
>
>Correction is not a challenge, but
>A guide and flavor in anything.
>Tolerance, tolerance, tolerating.
>Not my government, but you're voted,
>Then! is OUR government. Ideological
>Conflict is not a supposition to send
>A man in hell, instead to let him
>Switch on the light for the dark side of
>The assumed. A general perception
>To explore or remedy, or nicely
>Disseminate, is the right of the
>Tongue via the lips.
>
>Dawda Jallow.2000.
>
>Note
> "morr-morr" Gambian herb or tea.
>
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This is an old e-mail from one of my sources in the Gambia. It is already
stale, but I thought I should nonetheless send it to the L. Take note that I
am sending it unedited.
Ebrima
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>Subject: Is it worth the pain and agony?
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:35:29 GMT
>
>Ebrima,
>Well here we are again, trying to keep Gambians abreast of developments in
>our dear country and to show the sufferings of our people in the hands of
>an inhumane, corrupt and undemocratic regime. For almost a year, your
>sources have been providing information which even the regular newspapers
>do not have access to and thus turning the Gambia-L as a major source of
>reliable information for the local press. I do not need to tell you the
>risks involved in our endeavours because we have discussed them at great
>length over the past months. But as I said before these are risks worth
>taking. One cannot attach a price tag to FREEDOM. But in order gain
>freedom, one must be prepared to sacrifice, including one's own life. But
>how many of us are prepared to sacrifice even one's time to follow-up on
>the issues forwarded to the Gambia-L. Very few indeed.(Please note that
>Mr. Massry committed suicide last month because of his involvement in the
>oil deal I mentioned here-more on this story next week). In fact, I
>sometimes have the sneaky feeling that some members of the L see these
>messages from your sources as entertainment pieces rather than a valuable
>piece of information provided to the membership to act upon in various
>ways. To illustrate my point, take the issue of the resumption of Military
>Assistance by the UK. This to me is an extremely important matter which
>has serious implications if Gambians do not register their opposition to
>the British Government. Dr Saine urged members to petition the British
>Government which fell on deaf ears. Hamjatta Kanteh tried pleading with
>memebers without success. Ms Sigga Jagne went to the extent of posting her
>own petition to the British Government which I thought might trigger our
>sense of duty to our people and country; yet to no avail. Thank you, Sigga
>for your commitment and determination to ridding Gambia of Jammeh and his
>henchmen. Kebba Dampha's attempt to provide the L with the implications of
>the British decision to resume their military assistance seems to have
>pushed the rest of us into deep slumber. To KB, I say, keep on the fight
>for the cause is right and just. Those kids who were murdered in cold
>blood on the 10 and 11 April shall never be forgotten and I can assure you
>that all those responsible will one day account for their actions in a
>court of law. Am I frustrated with recent performance of the L? Most
>certainly. I know what we can achieve if we act in unison as it has been
>ampting demonstrated on several occasions in the past such as the effective
>Dumo petition drive and the coordinated efforts of the L during Yahya's
>visit to the UN. Yahya never thought that Gambians had the courage to
>confront him until after his UN visit. He has not yet fully recovered from
>it. So why allow him to recover when we already had him on the ropes? For
>your information, the few petitions received by the Foreign and
>Commonwealth Office (FCO) is already having an impact which has resulted in
>the British High Commissioner responding directly to our opposition to it.
>I have received a reply from CFO and so has Ebrima and a few others who
>bothered to petition to register their disgust at and hypocricy of the
>change in policy. I have very little doudt in my mind that the policy will
>be reviewed.
>
>As I write this message, Yahya Jammeh and his henchmen have left Kerewan
>heading for Farafenni to face the wrath of the farmers who have been denied
>their livelihood for two consecutive years. This year will not be
>different because the Alimenta issue has not been resolved. Instaed of
>concentrating on finding a solution to the problem, Cheyassin Secka is busy
>lining up, yet again, another Swiss firm to purchase the farmers groundnut
>produce. We are already in October and still nothing on the ground to show
>that this session will be different from the two previous ones. Yahya has
>been playing with the lifes of Gambians for far too long and it is time for
>him to go. And GO he must. The rural population who bore the brunt of the
>economic hardship under Jammeh, continue to tell him enough is enough. The
>turn out at his meetings are embarrassingly low and will continue to be
>that way throughout his so-called Meet the People's Tour. We must have
>read last week's papers concerning the ESCOM deal falling apart after so
>much broohaha early in the year. There will be no improvement in the
>electricity supply situation in the near future. Our parastatals,
>GAMTEL,GPA,GCAA,NAWEC are all banckcrupt thanks to Yahya Jammeh and those
>corrupt henchmen of his. Fellow Gambians, it is time to resist this regime
>at all cost. I therefore appeal to all to resume our agitation in order to
>apply more pressure on this trecherous governement. It is worth the pain
>and agony afterall. Thank you
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:20:06 GMT
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Gambia-L:
This was another old e-mail from my source. Again, it is stale, but I am
still sending it as received - unedited.
Ebrima
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>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:36 GMT
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>Ebrima,
>The reason why Yahya delayed his Meet the People's Tour to the point of
>even contemplating cancelling it, is now evident. At the start of the Tour
>on Monday, the number of people coming out to listen to his propaganda have
>been embarrassingly low. In Barra, less than 200 people showed up. In
>Sika, the turn out was equally dismal. Even among those supporters who
>bothered to turn up, they have all been complaining openly about the
>inefficient handling of the groundnut sector. Yahya is not only furious but
>down right antagonistic. by resorting to threaning to withold development
>projects in districts that do not support him. Ebrima, the man is
>desperate. There is no way that Yahya can win a second term in a free and
>fair election. Things have been going so badly for him and his APRC
>nonentities that word reaching me in Banjul is that he may just shorten his
>Tour well before the 15 days that he planned on touring the country. THE
>GAMBIAN PEOPLE HAVE TURNED THEIR BACKS ON THE BUTCHER OF KANILAI.
>Note: He is in Farafenni on his way to Georgetown where he is expected to
>night stop.
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Hi everyone
Hope u guys are having a good day
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>Gambia-L:
>
>This was another old e-mail from my source. Again, it is stale, but I am
>still sending it as received - unedited.
>
>Ebrima
>
>__________________________________________________________________
>
>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Yahya's Meet the People's Tour a Flop
>>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:36 GMT
>>
>>Ebrima,
>>The reason why Yahya delayed his Meet the People's Tour to the point of
>>even contemplating cancelling it, is now evident. At the start of the
>>Tour
>>on Monday, the number of people coming out to listen to his propaganda
>>have
>>been embarrassingly low. In Barra, less than 200 people showed up. In
>>Sika, the turn out was equally dismal. Even among those supporters who
>>bothered to turn up, they have all been complaining openly about the
>>inefficient handling of the groundnut sector. Yahya is not only furious
>>but
>>down right antagonistic. by resorting to threaning to withold development
>>projects in districts that do not support him. Ebrima, the man is
>>desperate. There is no way that Yahya can win a second term in a free and
>>fair election. Things have been going so badly for him and his APRC
>>nonentities that word reaching me in Banjul is that he may just shorten
>>his
>>Tour well before the 15 days that he planned on touring the country. THE
>>GAMBIAN PEOPLE HAVE TURNED THEIR BACKS ON THE BUTCHER OF KANILAI.
>>Note: He is in Farafenni on his way to Georgetown where he is expected to
>>night stop.
>>
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Haruna
It is the phonetic spelling of arabic words Translliteratted into english words for those who cannot speakk
the language (usually said to console the family at at trying times when death occurs )
Saiks
It is just like theany scandinavian language written as they sound . I am sure you are aware of of commom
termms like "Yallnal neng feekeh dewen " or "siggilko sa wallah ' etc
How is the baby? my best regards to sister Ndey.
habib
Haruna Darbo wrote:
> Hi Saiks, Its close to Arabic.
>
> >From: Saikou Samateh <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Subject: Re: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:22:20 +0100
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> >Haruna,
> >What lanuage is this ?
> >
> >For Freedom
> >Saiks
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 8:50 PM
> >Subject: Re: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> >
> >
> > > Allahumma latadaalana fi makaamina hathaa thanban illa khafartahu.
> > > Walaa hamman illa Farrajta.
> > > Walaa haajattan laka fihaa rithan walanaa fihaa salaahun illa khadaitah.
> > > Wayassirnaa fayassir umuranaa washrah shuduuranaa wanawwir
> > > kulubana wakhtim bisaalihaati aamaalana.
> > > Allahumma Ahyiinaa muslimiina watawaffana muslimiina walhiqnaa
> >bisaalihiina
> > > khaira kazayaa walaa maftooniina Aameena wabisirril
> > > Faatiha:...Alhamdulillah rabbil aalamin..........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Sheikh Tejan Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
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> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> > > >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:21:15 +0100
> > > >
> > > >1.The Silleh, Bitaye, Faal of Albion Place regret to announce the death
> > > >of Mam Metta silleh of Albion Place. This sad event occurred on Friday.
> > > >Our condolences to Musa Bitaye, Ass Faal <BIG jIM, Amie faal and the
> > > >rest of the extended families . May her soul rest in perfect peace.
> > > >2. The Bakurin family and the west african exams council regret to
> > > >announce the death of Simon Bakurin which occured friday. Our
> > > >condolences to Roger and the rest of the family.
> > > >3 The Batchily family of Hagen , janneh kunda family of Hagan street
> >and
> > > >the secka family of Dakar regret to announce the death of Mer Amie
> > > >Secka Batchilly. This sad event occurred at her residents yesterday.
> >Our
> > > >condolences to Alh Amara and the rest of the family . May her soul rest
> > > >in peace.
> > > >
> > > >Chi Jamma,
> > > >Bro Sheikh Tejan Nyang
> > > >
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Ebrima,
Your source is right. There should have been a strong petition prepared,
signed by all concerned and sent to the British government as well as the
rest of the international community t olet them know that the British
government is lending their support to the murderers and oppressors of our
people. I was pre-occupied with family ralted matters at the time, and never
even saw Dr Saine's proposal. I suggest that it is not too late to still make
some effort in this regard, and the other issues regsrding elections etc. It
is true, we cannot hope to get anything by just making commentary and
expecting the next guy to do the Job. Our best and most effective weapon
against this regime is to expose them to the World, and we must not let up on
this at all.
Jabou Joh
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:16:08 -0700
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OCTOBER 28, 14:45 EDT
55 Bodies Found in Ivory
Coast
By TIM SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast
(AP) — Ivory Coast's
new government
pledged Saturday to
track down the killers
of dozens of young
men whose bodies
were found dumped in
a field — men who
opposition officials
and witnesses say
were executed by
government security
forces.
The gruesome
discovery of the 55
bodies Friday, and the
allegations that the country's paramilitary
police could be involved, cast a shadow over
the new government. Less than a week after
an uprising drove the military ruler from power
and only two days after street fighting here
ended, the reports also fueled the uneasiness
that regularly sparks rumors of renewed
violence in Abidjan, Ivory Coast's main city.
The corpses all appeared to be young men
who had been shot. They were still tangled
grotesquely on top of one another Saturday in
a field surrounded by forest on the edge of
Abidjan's Yopougon neighborhood. Twisted at
obscene angles, most of the bodies were
naked or only partially clothed.
Officials in white gowns, rubber boots and
plastic gloves sorted through the corpses as
the country's new interior minister arrived in a
large motorcade, accompanied by soldiers and
paramilitary police.
``I am
ashamed of
what we
are seeing
here,'' said
the
minister,
Emile Boga
Doudou, a
surgical
mask to
ward off
the stench
hanging
around his
neck.
``The
police must
do their
work to
find the
author of
this
atrocity.''
But to
followers of
opposition
leader
Alassane
Dramane
Ouattara,
who say
those
dumped in the field were fellow members of his
Rally of the Republicans party, Ivorian
authorities cannot be trusted to investigate
the crime.
``It is security forces that killed them,'' said
Amadou Coulibaly, a party spokesman. He said
at least 155 Ouattara supporters have been
killed in Abidjan since Wednesday, and at
least 22 in other Ivorian cities. Those numbers
could not be independently confirmed.
Coulibaly said that in Abidjan, some of those
killed were grabbed by militant supporters of
newly installed President Laurent Gbagbo,
handed over to security forces and not seen
again until their corpses were spotted in the
pile.
Area
residents
backed up
his
account,
saying on
condition
of
anonymity
that
Gbagbo
militants,
backed by
paramilitary
police and soldiers, had forced their way into
the homes of Ouattara's most ardent
followers, beating young men and hauling
them away.
``They broke down the door,'' said one man,
a taxi driver who said six of his relatives were
taken away by Gbagbo supporters backed by
security forces. The driver escaped by fleeing
the house.
The discovery of the bodies followed three
days of violence that drove out military junta
leader Gen. Robert Guei and then turned to
fighting between rival opposition forces. The
unrest has left some 200 people dead.
Guei had claimed victory in Ivory Coast's Oct.
22 presidential election, a vote that was
dogged by fraud and unfair competition
charges. In less than a day, he saw power slip
from his grasp as thousands of demonstrators
took to the streets. Later joined by security
forces, they swept Gbagbo, who ran against
Guei in the election, to power.
Gbagbo's victory, though, set off another
round of unrest as Ouattara's supporters
launched protests to call for new elections.
Those protests led to even more violence,
with political fighting turning into horrific
sectarian attacks. Gbagbo's mostly southern
Christian supporters battled Ouattara's
followers, most of them northern Muslims.
Ouattara was thought to have more support
than Gbagbo, but he was barred from
Sunday's vote by the Supreme Court, as were
other opposition figures.
t
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Well, what can I say abuot this, except that this is an extremely
unfortunate incident. And that is to me not quite enough to describe it.
It seems that the only way to resolve the situation in Ivory Coast at
this point would be to have new and openelections, so that the people do not
feel that the government has been elected/installed by illegal means.
Obviously, even though the military government has been driven out,
there are many people who still are not satisfied with things as they stand
now.
Ginny
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From: "USA Halal Chamber of Commerce" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: ATROCITY in Abdijan
> OCTOBER 28, 14:45 EDT
>
> 55 Bodies Found in Ivory
> Coast
>
> By TIM SULLIVAN
> Associated Press Writer
>
> ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast
> (AP) - Ivory Coast's
> new government
> pledged Saturday to
> track down the killers
> of dozens of young
> men whose bodies
> were found dumped in
> a field - men who
> opposition officials
> and witnesses say
> were executed by
> government security
> forces.
>
> The gruesome
> discovery of the 55
> bodies Friday, and the
> allegations that the country's paramilitary
> police could be involved, cast a shadow over
> the new government. Less than a week after
> an uprising drove the military ruler from power
> and only two days after street fighting here
> ended, the reports also fueled the uneasiness
> that regularly sparks rumors of renewed
> violence in Abidjan, Ivory Coast's main city.
>
> The corpses all appeared to be young men
> who had been shot. They were still tangled
> grotesquely on top of one another Saturday in
> a field surrounded by forest on the edge of
> Abidjan's Yopougon neighborhood. Twisted at
> obscene angles, most of the bodies were
> naked or only partially clothed.
>
> Officials in white gowns, rubber boots and
> plastic gloves sorted through the corpses as
> the country's new interior minister arrived in a
> large motorcade, accompanied by soldiers and
> paramilitary police.
>
> ``I am
> ashamed of
> what we
> are seeing
> here,'' said
> the
> minister,
> Emile Boga
> Doudou, a
> surgical
> mask to
> ward off
> the stench
> hanging
> around his
> neck.
> ``The
> police must
> do their
> work to
> find the
> author of
> this
> atrocity.''
>
> But to
> followers of
> opposition
> leader
> Alassane
> Dramane
> Ouattara,
> who say
> those
> dumped in the field were fellow members of his
> Rally of the Republicans party, Ivorian
> authorities cannot be trusted to investigate
> the crime.
>
> ``It is security forces that killed them,'' said
> Amadou Coulibaly, a party spokesman. He said
> at least 155 Ouattara supporters have been
> killed in Abidjan since Wednesday, and at
> least 22 in other Ivorian cities. Those numbers
> could not be independently confirmed.
>
> Coulibaly said that in Abidjan, some of those
> killed were grabbed by militant supporters of
> newly installed President Laurent Gbagbo,
> handed over to security forces and not seen
> again until their corpses were spotted in the
> pile.
>
> Area
> residents
> backed up
> his
> account,
> saying on
> condition
> of
> anonymity
> that
> Gbagbo
> militants,
> backed by
> paramilitary
> police and soldiers, had forced their way into
> the homes of Ouattara's most ardent
> followers, beating young men and hauling
> them away.
>
> ``They broke down the door,'' said one man,
> a taxi driver who said six of his relatives were
> taken away by Gbagbo supporters backed by
> security forces. The driver escaped by fleeing
> the house.
>
> The discovery of the bodies followed three
> days of violence that drove out military junta
> leader Gen. Robert Guei and then turned to
> fighting between rival opposition forces. The
> unrest has left some 200 people dead.
>
> Guei had claimed victory in Ivory Coast's Oct.
> 22 presidential election, a vote that was
> dogged by fraud and unfair competition
> charges. In less than a day, he saw power slip
> from his grasp as thousands of demonstrators
> took to the streets. Later joined by security
> forces, they swept Gbagbo, who ran against
> Guei in the election, to power.
>
> Gbagbo's victory, though, set off another
> round of unrest as Ouattara's supporters
> launched protests to call for new elections.
> Those protests led to even more violence,
> with political fighting turning into horrific
> sectarian attacks. Gbagbo's mostly southern
> Christian supporters battled Ouattara's
> followers, most of them northern Muslims.
>
> Ouattara was thought to have more support
> than Gbagbo, but he was barred from
> Sunday's vote by the Supreme Court, as were
> other opposition figures.
>
> t
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Samateh Julakaliamang,
Thanks to your respond as you note it engel Aisha,Who i think must have =
been cautioned by people in the Gambia who are saving their own skins or =
positions,Negletting reallities thats' reflecting on our people in =
Africa particularly Gambia not forgetting the buchering of our young =
lads on april 10-11,And arresting my dear friend (Wildeh) Dumo Saho =
unjustly,Should be freed on conditionally to express his political =
conciosness in anyway necessary.Lets' hope for his freedom soon,And i =
hope Aisha will join us to condem the crimes been comitted by Jammeh and =
his tycoons in Gambia,And not blaming the contributors to G/L.She has to =
be pragmatic.
For Democracy
Fye.F.Samateh.
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From: "Saikou Samateh" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: CRYING PEACE!!!!
> Aisah,
> This your "Congo"man could really enjoy Africa,it is much more to say =
that
> he did not want to leave the comfort of Europe.Yes you have been =
monitoring
> the G/l and all you have been reading is a cry for unrest in the
> Gambia,are you Angel Aisha-come save Gambia through G/L,welcome =
Angel.But as
> you know it was not the people in the G/L who were responsible for =
April
> 10,this event was as a result of the fascist rule in our country,you =
did not
> even read here to know what some of the contributors in this forum =
have been
> doing to help the victims of April 10th or it does not interest you =
?check
> the mails from sisters Sigga and do you your calculations again,we =
better
> talk now before it is too late,before another April 10,before another
> Congo.How can people just demand that we should be passive onlookers =
to the
> detonating condition in our dear land?Do you need to use your energy =
to call
> on us for peace ?are we the people shooting at defenceless students ? =
are we
> detaining people for months without given them the chance to let their =
case
> be heard ? are we the founders of July 22 movement,did we set any =
radio
> station on fire ?
> And then my dear Aisha wrote;
> "....all the messages I have been getting from here is,if I sum it up =
it
> would be a cry for political-cultural-and tribal unrest in the =
Gambia.I
> might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here..."
>=20
> You cant just accuse us with such serious charges and then apologise =
for it,
> such activities do qualify for treason charges.Did you read here that =
Dr
> Saine have been asking Katim to cut the heads of people like Karamba
> because they belong to another tribe.With all the literary works,with =
all
> the fine political analysis and debate,with all the personal
> communications,with all the books from GESO to Gambian students,with =
all the
> infor on jobs and scholarship in this forum,all that you can "sum
> up.....from here" is civil unrest,you must be a very bad matamatician =
Your
> treason charges against us is no call for peace but a threat to peace.
>=20
> For Freedom
> Saiks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aisha Sallah <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:16 PM
> Subject: CRYING PEACE!!!!
>=20
>=20
> > I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until recently =
when I
> > decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started up to =
this day
> > today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if I sum it =
up it
> > would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in the =
Gambia. I
> > might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here.
> >
> > Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break into if =
hell
> > breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to teach =
us
> > lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be? Can we =
predict
> > it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do we think =
it
> would
> > take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the others =
will come
> > to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have only seen =
this
> > happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa never has =
any
> > member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy we get =
is
> poor
> > africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some crack =
wheat
> > that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
> > Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I met and =
what he
> > said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I became =
refugee
> from
> > the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I could walk =
back
> home
> > but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell fire =
broke out
> > again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my precious time =
in
> > Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
> >
> > What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are looking for =
does
> > not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our democracy by =
being
> > there investing, contributing and educating the people rather than
> shouting
> > from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a violent =
way.
> >
> > Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution here, I =
did
> not
> > mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
> >
> > /Aisha
> > =
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:26:05 -0700
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Hi folks,
FYI. Finally! Radio stations that are affordable. I thought the following
would be especially interesting to those thinkg of starting a radio station.
Katim
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MOZAMBIQUE In 1998 we built two medium-power radio stations running entirely on
solar energy. These were part of a project for the re-integration of ex-
refugees in two isolated communities in northern Mozambique, close to the
Zambian border.
HAITI Since 1995 we have built 15 FM stations in this very poor Caribbean
country, most of them solar-powered. In March 1998 one of the community
stations in the north of the country was ransacked by soldiers, a volunteer was
shot and all the equipment destroyed. The government later apologized and came
to us for replacement equipment, which we delivered within one week.
UZBEKISTAN In Tashkent, one of the first independent FM stations is Radio
Grand. It uses our famous 1200 Watt package and according to all reports the
signal is "loud and clear".
GHANA Alex Quarmyne reports that his station in the estuary of the river Volta
has regular listeners as far away as Accra. Radio Ada Uses a 1200 Watt Mallard
package and provides programmes in the local language to the people of the
Adangbe region.
MAURITANIA This year we have helped to set up a feminist FM station covering
the city of Nouakchott, capital of this enormous West African state. Funded by
the UNFPA, the station aims to address women's issues in a discreet and
sensitive way with regard to the ethos of this deeply Islamic society. In 1993
we set up a network of relay stations for the national broadcasters and since
then our small transmitters have been used in a number of independent community
stations.
CAPE VERDE We are still awaiting the political go-ahead to continue with a
women's station in this isolated group of islands off the west coast of Africa.
We have previously set up links between the major islands and given training to
the national broadcasters. We have delivered some equipment but not yet
installed it. At present the plan for the feminist station is stalled due to
the slowness of the government to give formal approval to the project.
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Well done Bakary.Or shall i say TERVE.
Its' interesting to read your victory for the city council seat in =
Lappeenranta,Finland.
As africans living in the western world specially scandinavia is the =
first time to my=20
knowlegge a Gambian elected for a council seat in any of this five =
northern countries,
So as others commented is time for you to setup a good example for your =
brothers/sisters=20
in Finland,And be skilled with the issues confronting our people in the =
country that=20
means you should never be afraid to speak out for equal rights and =
justice,Thats' all democracy
is about.Best wishes and keep up the good work.
Fye.F.Samateh
In Oslo.
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From: "boubacarr touray" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Congratulation Bakary , you made it . We all gambians living in =
Finland Are
> very much proud of you. We always want you to redouble your efford and
> prepaire to face die hard critics .
> You=B4ve now paved the way for other gambians to do as we did in
> finland.Gambians, support your fellow gambians or Africans to play a
> meaningfull role in the society.I hope many will follow now.
> Kiitos Bakary , Ja toivotta sinut kaikki
> mailmass=E6.
> Bob
> Oslo
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> >From: Ousman Bojang <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Subject: Gambian Elected to his local City Council in Finland
> >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:49:51 EDT
> >
> >It is interesting what democracy could bring.
> >Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland =
since
> >1989
> >has won a City council election and will be serving his city =
Lappeenranta
> >for
> >a four year term.
> >For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this =
forum. He
> >was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
> >pastures
> >and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of =
the
> >City
> >of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of =
the
> >city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
> >Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put =
the
> >interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your =
family.
> >
> >Ousman Bojang.
> >
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DITTO SAIKS!!
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>
>Mr Jeng,
>Interesting,the Politicians tanked him for his"commitment" for the
>development of the district,
>the Jufureh people asked for a health Centre,a high School,cattle water
>point and good roads and he told them to consider him first,that is to say,
>they should first vote for him before he can considered these request,and
>he
>went to another village and donated D10,000 from his pocket for a mosque to
>be completed.You have to have a good heart condition to be able to digest
>such backward political mentality,the tax monies of the people is not his
>private property,did he need to be reminded of this also ?or Why cant he
>tell the people to stop paying tax if he can provide all these needs for
>them ?hello is there anybody home ?
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
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>From: Jeng, Beran <[log in to unmask]>
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>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:17 PM
>Subject: FWD:Jammeh Lashes At Opposition
>
>
> > Jammeh Lashes At Opposition
> >
> >
> >
> > Daily Observer (Banjul)
> >
> > October 18, 2000
> >
> > Kalifa Sanyang on tour
> > Banjul
> >
> > President Yahya Jammeh has described as undue and irresponsible,
>opposition
> > demands for him to disclose the source of the 39 tractors he gave out to
>farmers
> > in the country at the start of the rainy season.
> >
> > Speaking at meeting in Sika, Upper Niumi, Monday, on the first day of
>his
>annual
> > 'Meet The People¹s Tour', President Jammeh described the opposition¹s
>demands
> > as, "a portrayal of their disregard for the advancement of farmers.
> >
> > I gave the tractors freely and never sold or lent them out."
> >
> > President Jammeh said the delay in the purchase of seednuts after the
>last
> > harvest was basically the result of "a deliberate misrepresentation by a
>former
> > government official who was assigned to create the basis for proper
>groundnut
> > marketability. It turned out he intended to discredit the government for
> > political reasons."
> >
> > He said the government had to step in at the eleventh hour "because some
>private
> > firms wanted farmers to sell the nuts to them at give-away prices."
> >
> > The president said the price for groundnuts in the next season will come
>as "a
> > pleasant surprise" to farmers but said it was premature to disclose it.
> >
> > "My government will always defend the interest of farmers and no
>dishonest
>group
> > should make you believe otherwise," he said.
> >
> > Talking on the same issue earlier, the APRC chief mobiliser, Yankuba
>Touray,
> > said the millions of dalasis government spent on buying groundnuts was a
>pointer
> > to government¹s interest in Gambian farmers.
> >
> > He said the APRC has succeeded in increasing the price of groundnuts.
> >
> > The National Assembly member for Upper Niumi, Ousman Jallow, and the
>district
> > chief, Lamin Jammeh, thanked President Jammeh for his commitment to the
>overall
> > development of the North Bank Division and spoke of their high level of
>support
> > for the president in Upper Niumi.
> >
> > Tako Taal, the female alkalo of Juffureh, called for the provision of a
>high
> > school, health centre, telephone facilities cattle watering points, and
>a
>better
> > road for the Buniadu-Jokadu stretch.
> >
> > In response to the pleas of the people, President Jammeh said the
>request
>will
> > be considered but that the people of Upper Niumi should consider him.
> >
> > "Otherwise, I will concentrate more on those who voted me into power,"
>he
>said.
> >
> > A similar meeting was held at Kerr Jarga, Jokadu. President Jammeh
>donated
> > D10,000 to the villagers of Kerr Jarga for the completion of a mosque
>under
> > construction.
> >
> > The tour continued yesterday with meetings in Kaur, and Panchang with a
>night
> > stop at Janjangbureh.
> >
> >
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The President held his prayer beads in his left hand,clutched his sword
from its wooden case with its right,lifted it up and yelled
"victory!.And the Nation echoed
his noise not knowing why? When he was "voted" in office there were more
echoes
and the Nation still didn`t know why?
The President raised his gold tipped ceremonial cane high over his
oversize gold
trimmed embroided gown and spread his arms wide.His eyes behind the
thick
sunglasses,surveyed the masses before him,smiled benevolently and said,
"Without Me.........there will be chaos!"And the Nation cheered,not
knowing why?
The President solemnly checked every cabinet member`s face for signs of
dissent,but seeing only fear,he was satisfied."These Journalists( The
African ones of course ) are
a menace to the peace of this Nation.We need tough laws to keep them in
line
( we also need tougher actions,like torture,beatings and unfortunately (
for them ),
sometimes assassination of their colleagues and ministers).And the
cabinet wholeheartedly acquiesced,not knowing why? The Nation wasn`t
invited.
The President ordered the SIX FEET DEEP BURIAL of all dissendents and
the Nation celebrated not really knowing why? And when his Finance
Minister was
charred to death,they celebrated again,again not knowing why?
When the President cried "Yipee!.I won!",the Nation rejoiced but the UN
and OAU hesitated to declare the elections free and fair.Of course they
knew why?
The President said, "I will save you",and the Nation clapped itself into
poverty not knowing why?
The President intoned to the gathered crowds,"Down with the former
regime!" and
pulled himself to incalculable wealth and prosperity,not knowing why?
The President`s order is given:"SIX FEET DEEP!"and the Nation goes into
orgy,
not even wondering why?
The President fetes all over the world.But the Nation grows poorer and
still
didn`t wonder why?
The Coporals / Sergeants / Captains / Majors / Colonels / Generals
wanted democracy,so he changed his uniform for an oversized gold trimmed
gown and
( yes,you`ve guessed it ) became a President,and the Nation acclaimed
him,
not knowing why?
When The President calls for dimissal from service
When The President argues for Economic Independence
When The President visits Libya / China - not mainland of course
When The President refuses to account for his overnight wealth,which he
claims
to be helping the Nation with, he is still in office-no rebellion.
Now,if the Nation can`t, you and I should and must ask WHY?
Elhajj.
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Thank you sir/madam. Am touched that soemeone like
you, someone with so much courage and a non exhustible
sense of justice, finds me worthy of praise. But like
you sir/madam, I know that the alternative to fighting
for true democracy in the Gambia, is not an option.
Yes! there are times that I too feel frustrated,
frustrated at the many unfutile efforts of trying to
get my fellow citizens to stand together and act
before it is too late. And sometimes, I can't even
believe the answers that I get from people, or may I
say the excuses that I get from people, as being the
reason why they do not participate in the fight for
our beloved country's future. Answers like, "Oh, I
want to go back to Gambia someday and if I speak out
against Yahya, it will not be safe for me to do so.
Or they may harass, jail, or kill my family members
back home" And ofcourse that answer is ridiculous.
For what about people like you, Ebrima's sources, who
are on the ground and still risking their lives and
those of their families in this our fight for justice?
How about those kids that laid down their lives in
facing gun toting killers all in the name of justice?
And the irony of it is that, they do not realize that
if they do not act, their families back home will
never be safe. And they will never be able to find a
safe haven to return to in the Gambia. For Gambia at
present, is surely following the footsteps of Sierra
Leone, Liberia, etc. And then what? Where would be
the so called safety that supposedly made them allow
themselves to be lolled to inactivity? I have heard
excuses such as " Oh, I have a family member who is
high up in the government, so for his/her safety, I
cannot participate" and statements such as the one
from the friend of mine whom I called to ask her to
try and attend the demonstrations in New York since
she lives there, and to let her know that I was
attending, "Oh Sigga Am Nga Jott Deh! You are coming
all the way to New York to demonstrate?" I just shook
my head and could not help saying to myself, "No
wonder an ignoramous like Yahya Jammeh is getting away
with hijacking our country and killing our people.
Because it seems like most of us do not care or do not
feel that it is important enough to warrant their
action or to warrant them taking the involving risks."
But then I remember people like you sir/madam who
are doing everything they can, whenever they can, for
the love of their country. And then I remember April
10 and 11. And I renew my vow to keep fighting for
the future of the Gambia.
And sir/madam, I shall continue to fight, because like
I keep saying, the alternative is not an option. And
I do thank you and commend you for your courage. And
I take comfort in knowing that the Gambia still has a
chance, as long as there are people like you who love
the motherland enough to risk their safety and their
lives.
--- Ebrima Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Gambia-L:
>
> This is an old e-mail from one of my sources in the
> Gambia. It is already
> stale, but I thought I should nonetheless send it to
> the L. Take note that I
> am sending it unedited.
>
> Ebrima
>
>
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>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Is it worth the pain and agony?
> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:35:29 GMT
> >
> >Ebrima,
> >Well here we are again, trying to keep Gambians
> abreast of developments in
> >our dear country and to show the sufferings of our
> people in the hands of
> >an inhumane, corrupt and undemocratic regime. For
> almost a year, your
> >sources have been providing information which even
> the regular newspapers
> >do not have access to and thus turning the Gambia-L
> as a major source of
> >reliable information for the local press. I do not
> need to tell you the
> >risks involved in our endeavours because we have
> discussed them at great
> >length over the past months. But as I said before
> these are risks worth
> >taking. One cannot attach a price tag to FREEDOM.
> But in order gain
> >freedom, one must be prepared to sacrifice,
> including one's own life. But
> >how many of us are prepared to sacrifice even one's
> time to follow-up on
> >the issues forwarded to the Gambia-L. Very few
> indeed.(Please note that
> >Mr. Massry committed suicide last month because of
> his involvement in the
> >oil deal I mentioned here-more on this story next
> week). In fact, I
> >sometimes have the sneaky feeling that some members
> of the L see these
> >messages from your sources as entertainment pieces
> rather than a valuable
> >piece of information provided to the membership to
> act upon in various
> >ways. To illustrate my point, take the issue of the
> resumption of Military
> >Assistance by the UK. This to me is an extremely
> important matter which
> >has serious implications if Gambians do not
> register their opposition to
> >the British Government. Dr Saine urged members to
> petition the British
> >Government which fell on deaf ears. Hamjatta
> Kanteh tried pleading with
> >memebers without success. Ms Sigga Jagne went to
> the extent of posting her
> >own petition to the British Government which I
> thought might trigger our
> >sense of duty to our people and country; yet to no
> avail. Thank you, Sigga
> >for your commitment and determination to ridding
> Gambia of Jammeh and his
> >henchmen. Kebba Dampha's attempt to provide the L
> with the implications of
> >the British decision to resume their military
> assistance seems to have
> >pushed the rest of us into deep slumber. To KB, I
> say, keep on the fight
> >for the cause is right and just. Those kids who
> were murdered in cold
> >blood on the 10 and 11 April shall never be
> forgotten and I can assure you
> >that all those responsible will one day account for
> their actions in a
> >court of law. Am I frustrated with recent
> performance of the L? Most
> >certainly. I know what we can achieve if we act in
> unison as it has been
> >ampting demonstrated on several occasions in the
> past such as the effective
> >Dumo petition drive and the coordinated efforts of
> the L during Yahya's
> >visit to the UN. Yahya never thought that Gambians
> had the courage to
> >confront him until after his UN visit. He has not
> yet fully recovered from
> >it. So why allow him to recover when we already
> had him on the ropes? For
> >your information, the few petitions received by the
> Foreign and
> >Commonwealth Office (FCO) is already having an
> impact which has resulted in
> >the British High Commissioner responding directly
> to our opposition to it.
> >I have received a reply from CFO and so has Ebrima
> and a few others who
> >bothered to petition to register their disgust at
> and hypocricy of the
> >change in policy. I have very little doudt in my
> mind that the policy will
> >be reviewed.
> >
> >As I write this message, Yahya Jammeh and his
> henchmen have left Kerewan
> >heading for Farafenni to face the wrath of the
> farmers who have been denied
> >their livelihood for two consecutive years. This
> year will not be
> >different because the Alimenta issue has not been
> resolved. Instaed of
> >concentrating on finding a solution to the problem,
> Cheyassin Secka is busy
> >lining up, yet again, another Swiss firm to
> purchase the farmers groundnut
> >produce. We are already in October and still
> nothing on the ground to show
> >that this session will be different from the two
> previous ones. Yahya has
> >been playing with the lifes of Gambians for far too
> long and it is time for
> >him to go. And GO he must. The rural population
> who bore the brunt of the
> >economic hardship under Jammeh, continue to tell
> him enough is enough. The
> >turn out at his meetings are embarrassingly low and
> will continue to be
> >that way throughout his so-called Meet the People's
> Tour. We must have
> >read last week's papers concerning the ESCOM deal
> falling apart after so
> >much broohaha early in the year. There will be no
> improvement in the
> >electricity supply situation in the near future.
> Our parastatals,
> >GAMTEL,GPA,GCAA,NAWEC are all banckcrupt thanks to
> Yahya Jammeh and those
> >corrupt henchmen of his. Fellow Gambians, it is
> time to resist this regime
> >at all cost. I therefore appeal to all to resume
> our agitation in order to
> >apply more pressure on this trecherous governement.
> It is worth the pain
> >and agony afterall. Thank you
> >
>
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Bro. Habib,
I thank you for coming back to me on this very important subject (elections),
for anyone who wins this race will affect our lives one way or the other.
Hence, my interest in the choice of president.
However, I will appreciate your infromation on the Washington concensus.
Furthermore, let us narrow this issue down to choosing between lesser of two
evils. Who will you candidly pick Gore and Bush?
Good night,
OB
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Sidi,
I belatedly join all those people on this forum to wish you, your family, and
all meaning people a safe stay through this seemingly turbulent and
precariuos time on Ivory Coast.
God bless us all and good night.
So long from Cincinnati!
OB
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Coach,
We wish you all the best in your higher educational pursuit. You have shown
that with hard work and perseverance, the sky is the limit for individual
education and over all development.
God bless us all.
OB
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>It is interesting what democracy could bring.
>Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland since
>1989
>has won a City council election and will be serving his city Lappeenranta
>for
>a four year term.
>For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this forum. He
>was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
>pastures
>and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of the
>City
>of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of the
>city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
>Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
>interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
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>Ousman Bojang.
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Sister Ginny
I could not agree with you any better.
Only a new and fair electios will close this ugly chapter
Best regards
Habib
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> Well, what can I say abuot this, except that this is an extremely
> unfortunate incident. And that is to me not quite enough to describe it.
> It seems that the only way to resolve the situation in Ivory Coast at
> this point would be to have new and openelections, so that the people do not
> feel that the government has been elected/installed by illegal means.
> Obviously, even though the military government has been driven out,
> there are many people who still are not satisfied with things as they stand
> now.
> Ginny
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "USA Halal Chamber of Commerce" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 8:16 PM
> Subject: ATROCITY in Abdijan
>
> > OCTOBER 28, 14:45 EDT
> >
> > 55 Bodies Found in Ivory
> > Coast
> >
> > By TIM SULLIVAN
> > Associated Press Writer
> >
> > ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast
> > (AP) - Ivory Coast's
> > new government
> > pledged Saturday to
> > track down the killers
> > of dozens of young
> > men whose bodies
> > were found dumped in
> > a field - men who
> > opposition officials
> > and witnesses say
> > were executed by
> > government security
> > forces.
> >
> > The gruesome
> > discovery of the 55
> > bodies Friday, and the
> > allegations that the country's paramilitary
> > police could be involved, cast a shadow over
> > the new government. Less than a week after
> > an uprising drove the military ruler from power
> > and only two days after street fighting here
> > ended, the reports also fueled the uneasiness
> > that regularly sparks rumors of renewed
> > violence in Abidjan, Ivory Coast's main city.
> >
> > The corpses all appeared to be young men
> > who had been shot. They were still tangled
> > grotesquely on top of one another Saturday in
> > a field surrounded by forest on the edge of
> > Abidjan's Yopougon neighborhood. Twisted at
> > obscene angles, most of the bodies were
> > naked or only partially clothed.
> >
> > Officials in white gowns, rubber boots and
> > plastic gloves sorted through the corpses as
> > the country's new interior minister arrived in a
> > large motorcade, accompanied by soldiers and
> > paramilitary police.
> >
> > ``I am
> > ashamed of
> > what we
> > are seeing
> > here,'' said
> > the
> > minister,
> > Emile Boga
> > Doudou, a
> > surgical
> > mask to
> > ward off
> > the stench
> > hanging
> > around his
> > neck.
> > ``The
> > police must
> > do their
> > work to
> > find the
> > author of
> > this
> > atrocity.''
> >
> > But to
> > followers of
> > opposition
> > leader
> > Alassane
> > Dramane
> > Ouattara,
> > who say
> > those
> > dumped in the field were fellow members of his
> > Rally of the Republicans party, Ivorian
> > authorities cannot be trusted to investigate
> > the crime.
> >
> > ``It is security forces that killed them,'' said
> > Amadou Coulibaly, a party spokesman. He said
> > at least 155 Ouattara supporters have been
> > killed in Abidjan since Wednesday, and at
> > least 22 in other Ivorian cities. Those numbers
> > could not be independently confirmed.
> >
> > Coulibaly said that in Abidjan, some of those
> > killed were grabbed by militant supporters of
> > newly installed President Laurent Gbagbo,
> > handed over to security forces and not seen
> > again until their corpses were spotted in the
> > pile.
> >
> > Area
> > residents
> > backed up
> > his
> > account,
> > saying on
> > condition
> > of
> > anonymity
> > that
> > Gbagbo
> > militants,
> > backed by
> > paramilitary
> > police and soldiers, had forced their way into
> > the homes of Ouattara's most ardent
> > followers, beating young men and hauling
> > them away.
> >
> > ``They broke down the door,'' said one man,
> > a taxi driver who said six of his relatives were
> > taken away by Gbagbo supporters backed by
> > security forces. The driver escaped by fleeing
> > the house.
> >
> > The discovery of the bodies followed three
> > days of violence that drove out military junta
> > leader Gen. Robert Guei and then turned to
> > fighting between rival opposition forces. The
> > unrest has left some 200 people dead.
> >
> > Guei had claimed victory in Ivory Coast's Oct.
> > 22 presidential election, a vote that was
> > dogged by fraud and unfair competition
> > charges. In less than a day, he saw power slip
> > from his grasp as thousands of demonstrators
> > took to the streets. Later joined by security
> > forces, they swept Gbagbo, who ran against
> > Guei in the election, to power.
> >
> > Gbagbo's victory, though, set off another
> > round of unrest as Ouattara's supporters
> > launched protests to call for new elections.
> > Those protests led to even more violence,
> > with political fighting turning into horrific
> > sectarian attacks. Gbagbo's mostly southern
> > Christian supporters battled Ouattara's
> > followers, most of them northern Muslims.
> >
> > Ouattara was thought to have more support
> > than Gbagbo, but he was barred from
> > Sunday's vote by the Supreme Court, as were
> > other opposition figures.
> >
> > t
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OB Sillah,
Good question and I will give you an honest answer.
To be quite honest after the national rally in Washington DC yesterday in front of the White House , I left
with mixed feelings.
I will exercise my right to vote and although my vote may be a wasted vote (as some say) because I made up my
mind to vote for Ralph Nader.
His parents were immigrants from our part of the world .He was born here and protects the consumers which
will also affect all our lives.
Both Gore and Bush claim to be descendants of the British Royal family and have the interests of Europeans
only (nothing wrong with that except that we are left out always)
Republicans and Democrats will always be the right and left wings of the same BIG GOVERNMENT -BIRD- that
will never fly without those wings . They both have the same purpose to -to make big government fly.
The Green party is a smaller bird that has our interest financially although it cannot make any changes or
decision in the present American skies ,I will give them my humble vote so that I will not sleep in guilt if
I vote for either Gore or Bush who just need my vote only on election day and will NEVER care for us until
next election comes around in four years.
My good brother Sang might be voting for the lesser of two Evils Al Gore but I would probably have gone with
the protest vote against Gore and vote for Bush whose education plan suites us better. and at least talks
publicly against racial profiling while Gore remains silent on it. both of them are only making false
promises on the Health (HMO) issues just to get votes normal for politicians
Bush and Gore both support a war in the middle east by publicly and blindly seeing only one side of the
conflict-The Israeli side, completely ignoring the victims the Palestinian side. What democracy are they
talking about ? Israel where apathied is alive and growing Ethiopian Jews have to be house in different
portions of town ,not allowed to vote ,to serve only in the army's front lines -to be killed first- The
Orthodox Rabbis claim them to be unclean because they are black . What democracy are they talking about . The
arabs born in Israel are second class citizen .
and finally
We pay our taxes here in the USA and it hurts to know that every twenty four hours close to thirteen
million US Dollars goes to Israel as AID whilst we have poor kids in the inner cities that need it
desperately. This happens everyday times 365 days in the year.
Yes Clinton is a good man and Hillary will win (inshallah) but Gore ??/ look at his choice for vice president
-It tells it all
My dear brother my vote may be wasted but at least I will not help put another devil in the White House. I
voted for Clinton the last elections and would have again if he was the candidate, but sorry none for Gore
or Bush from me this year.
Good day
Habib Diab Ghanim
OB Silla wrote:
> Bro. Habib,
> I thank you for coming back to me on this very important subject (elections),
> for anyone who wins this race will affect our lives one way or the other.
> Hence, my interest in the choice of president.
> However, I will appreciate your infromation on the Washington concensus.
> Furthermore, let us narrow this issue down to choosing between lesser of two
> evils. Who will you candidly pick Gore and Bush?
>
> Good night,
> OB
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That man can destroy life is just as miraculous a feat as that he
can create it, for life is the miracle, the inexplicable. In the act
of destruction, man sets himself above life; he transcends himself
as a creature. Thus, the ultimate choice for a man, inasmuch as he
is driven to transcend himself, is to create or to destroy, to love
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OB,
Thanks, OB. You know, there are other Gambians far more exposed to danger
than we currently face in CI. I am thinking of the Gambians who face daily,
the hazards of factional/ethnic wars. We should pause for a moment and
think about them and offer our prayers to these new breed of Gambians who
are in the humanitarian assistance field with the UN and NGOs across the
globe; from Liberia to Bosnia and East Timor. I would not want to mention
names as there are so many that I will most certainly omit a name or two.
To all Gambian expatriates everywhere who are exposed constantly to the
dangers of war and ethnic conflict, we say thank you for your contribution
to the maintenance of peace through the provision of humanitarian assistance
to the victims of the senseless wars throughout the globe.
OB, I once more express my personal thanks to you for your concern about our
safety. We will continue to keep our heads low.
Any consensus? Bro. Habib is for Ralph Nader. You appear to be undecided but
I can see Gore written all over your face. My prognosis is that the death of
the Missouri's Carnahan democratic candidate for the Senate seat may have
just delivered Missouri to Bush. Missouri together with Wisconsin, Ohio,
Illinois and Michigan (despite the union votes)going to the Bush column will
produce a Republican victory. I am prepared to eat my words come November 7
in the event of a miraculous Gore victory in which case don't call me Nov.8,
I will call you.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Sidi,
>
>I belatedly join all those people on this forum to wish you, your family,
>and
>all meaning people a safe stay through this seemingly turbulent and
>precariuos time on Ivory Coast.
>God bless us all and good night.
>
>So long from Cincinnati!
>OB
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Dear Sidi,
I hope you and the Family are doing fine and far away from the troubles.
However I have been following the debate here and it seems that the general
line is that a new elections should be called for.This perhaps might be a
way out of the present crisis,since all what the other opposition party is
calling for is a new elections.But I have my doubts as why all these
troubles now.Did the Ivorians voted for Gbagbo because they did not have a
better favourite ?or did they vote for him expecting that he will call for
new election after vining victory ?
Ouattara has always been the favourite of the west,this is because of his
political background.He has never question the politics of the West in the
continent.And the fact that his participation in the former undemocratic and
dictatorial government of Felex Houphouet Boigny is an indication that his
sense of democracy is limited.Remember that when Gbagbo was a political
victim,during the Pro-Democratic unrest,Ouattara was a man of power.The
bitter relationship between the two must not be reduced to the unfortunate
statement of Gagbo that he ,Ouattara ,is not an Ivorian.
The pressure that is put on Gbagbo is very unfortunate,why,because this is a
very opportune time for Ivorians to get the records straight,they came out
in the streets in their thousands to defend their victory ,and if Ouattara
,instead of helping to advance this victory,called upon his supporters to
come out and demand for new elections is without doubt very unfortunate.If
the same pressure have been put on Guei,before the elections,perhaps the
story will be different.That the OAU,instead of looking at the problem from
a very different angle to find a solution to the problem,decides to echoed
the hypocritical demand of the West,is without doubt very unfortunate.In my
opinion,Ouattara should either join the National Reconciliation Government
or continue his opposition activities,whiles waiting for the next election.
For Freedom
Saiks
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> Bro. Habib,
>
> Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is not
> only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between
Gbagbo
> and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
> embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's reference
to
> "President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry between
> the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even after
> meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead supporters" and
> not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert further
> bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and one
of
> the options available
> to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
> re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU, ECOWAS and
> countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and sensitive
> issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long run.
> Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a clear
> and unequivocal stance on this one.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
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I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A) =
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Dear Saiks,
As to so many who have written both publicly and privately, I say thanks for
your concern about the safety of all of us here in Cote d'Ivoire. On the
issues you raised in you posting, I have the following comments to make:
The reasons behind Ouattara's demand for fresh elections was based on the
fact that he, together with the PDCI candidates were declared ineligible for
various reasons. As you know, in the case of Ouattara, it was for the
reason that his mother was not Ivorian when the Constitution calls for both
parents being Ivorians. Ouattara bitterly contests this. As a result of
his being barred to run, he urged his supporters to boycott the presidential
elections. PDCI also boycotted the elections because all their nominees
were also declared ineligible by the Constitutional Court. The RDR and PDCI
are the two biggest political parties as confirmed in the total number of
eligible votes cast on election day; i.e 37.4 per cent. 62.6 per cent of
all eligible voters did not vote, presumable because they were either RDR or
PDCI. Included in this figure are those who would not have voted even if
both Ouattara and the PDCI candidate were on the ballot. The general
feeling, however, is that the majority that stay away were RDR and PDCI
supporters. Some of Gbagbo's votes were protest votes against Guei. They
would rather see a civilian with political experience elected than Guei
retained. These protests votes may have been a combination of Ouattara and
Bedie supporters who are still licking their wounds after being overthrown
by Guei. Whether they voted for him with the expectation of a call for fresh
election is uncertain. But my view is to the contrary because Ivorians are
not that politically naive to believe that Gbagbo, who has been in the
political wilderness for over two decades, will call for fresh elections
after winning; a re-run which he is not certain to win.
I am of a different opinion as it concerns the democratic credentials of
Ouattara. True, he was the hand-picked PM of Houphoueh-Boigny but his
record during his tenure shows him to be an incorruptible man and an
efficient manager. He fought corruption from the top down which is one of
his problems dogging him to this day because those big guns of the PDCI from
whom he demanded accountability are still around. Anyway, let us give
Gbagbo a chance to display his democratic credentials and leadership
qualities.
Initially, Ouattara demanded a re-run but after meeting Gbagbo he has
indicated his willingness to proceed with the legislative elections in
December which observers believe he will win with a majority. Should he
control the legislature, Gbagbo would find it difficult to govern without a
coalition and/or a compromise acceptable to the opposition. Ouattara is no
longer insisting on a fresh election at this point. Come December, the story
could be different altogether.
On a personal note, my regards to Ndey and the little one.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Dear Sidi,
>I hope you and the Family are doing fine and far away from the troubles.
>However I have been following the debate here and it seems that the general
>line is that a new elections should be called for.This perhaps might be a
>way out of the present crisis,since all what the other opposition party is
>calling for is a new elections.But I have my doubts as why all these
>troubles now.Did the Ivorians voted for Gbagbo because they did not have a
>better favourite ?or did they vote for him expecting that he will call for
>new election after vining victory ?
>Ouattara has always been the favourite of the west,this is because of his
>political background.He has never question the politics of the West in the
>continent.And the fact that his participation in the former undemocratic
>and
>dictatorial government of Felex Houphouet Boigny is an indication that his
>sense of democracy is limited.Remember that when Gbagbo was a political
>victim,during the Pro-Democratic unrest,Ouattara was a man of power.The
>bitter relationship between the two must not be reduced to the unfortunate
>statement of Gagbo that he ,Ouattara ,is not an Ivorian.
>The pressure that is put on Gbagbo is very unfortunate,why,because this is
>a
>very opportune time for Ivorians to get the records straight,they came out
>in the streets in their thousands to defend their victory ,and if Ouattara
>,instead of helping to advance this victory,called upon his supporters to
>come out and demand for new elections is without doubt very unfortunate.If
>the same pressure have been put on Guei,before the elections,perhaps the
>story will be different.That the OAU,instead of looking at the problem
>from
>a very different angle to find a solution to the problem,decides to echoed
>the hypocritical demand of the West,is without doubt very unfortunate.In my
>opinion,Ouattara should either join the National Reconciliation Government
>or continue his opposition activities,whiles waiting for the next election.
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
>
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>
> > Bro. Habib,
> >
> > Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is not
> > only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between
>Gbagbo
> > and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
> > embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's reference
>to
> > "President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry
>between
> > the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even
>after
> > meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead supporters"
>and
> > not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert further
> > bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and one
>of
> > the options available
> > to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
> > re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU, ECOWAS
>and
> > countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and
>sensitive
> > issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long run.
> > Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a
>clear
> > and unequivocal stance on this one.
> >
> > Sidi Sanneh
> >
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Modou, Fatou and Family,
My sincere condolences to the entire family and friends. May his soul rest
in eternal peace.
sidi Sanneh & family
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> I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A)
>commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday
>the 27/10/00.He is survived by a lovely wife Yassin Njie and several
>children .May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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To the Family and Friends of Lang Darboe:
At this difficult time I am praying that God will comort you with His
peace. There is comfort, sweet and sure, when deepening shadows fall,
and hearts that grieve find rest in God, whose love embraces all. May
his soul rest in eternal peace. God Bless You and Your Family!
"To live in hearts we leave behind is not to die"
Love,
Jennifer Eidson
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Brother Elhadj,
This is the question of the century, WHY??
All of us grew up being taught, as well as hearing our parents tell us that
common sense, decency and the fear of God are indispensable commodities, and
so all of us grow up in Gambia believing that these values abound not only
in all of us, but especially in our elders, and most specifically in those
who call themselves the guardians of our faith, the vicegerants of God's word.
Today in The Gambia, these very people have sold their souls to Yaya Jammeh,
and it is a sad day, and a very big awakening for all of us.
Prince Coker's statement about the evil among us is an accurate one. One good
thing that this regime has done is to help us to identify the evil element
amongst us.
Never before could anyone convince me that we have people among us who have
the kind of character to help collaborate murder amd mayhem among our
people, and then just carry on as if this is as natural as breathing air.
Or that we had religious leaders who should recognize evil and hypocrisy but
instead look the other way when Jammeh who holds his prayer beads in his left
hand, dashes out some cola nut money and funds to complete the building of a
house of worship for Allah (SWA) and other gifts from funds stolen from the
very people he is supposedly giving it to.
Perhaps these religious leaders serve another Allah that the muslim ummah
does not know about.Yes indeed, Yaya Jammeh has helped us to identify the
evil element amongst us.
Jabou Joh
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<< The President held his prayer beads in his left hand,clutched his sword
from its wooden case with its right,lifted it up and yelled
"victory!.And the Nation echoed
his noise not knowing why? When he was "voted" in office there were more
echoes
and the Nation still didn`t know why? >>
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Sigga,
Just remember my dear, that it is also people who condemn those who speak out
now, that are the very ones who will enjoy most, the freedom that comes with
being master of one's own destiny. There are also those who have no courage,
who straddle the fence and will jump up at the slightest hint of something
negative, and say, aha! you see!
Every movement has these people, and if it was up to them, humanity would
have been extinct by now. Thanks for your voice and your courage.
PS: I also just now had time ot read your wonderful writing, and I am
impressed. Please keep it up.
Jabou Joh
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Habib,
I agree with most of your points on Gore and Bush being more or less the
same. However, you are wrong about Gore being silent about racial profiling.
I believe he coveres that point in many of his speeches I have heard, and
especially in the debates. Bush does making a passing "politician's remark"
on the subject whenever he feels he cannot avoid the issue. Personally, I am
like Daddy Sang, voting for one of these candidates is just voting for the
lesser of two evils. These guys say what they think the people want to hear,
although Bill Clinton has done a great deal for the economy of this country,
and I believe Al Gore will continue along the same lines. I also believe that
although things may not be ideal, the Democratic party in this country has
reached out to and stood for the interest of poor and non White people in
this counrty over the years, while the Republicans are a party that stands
for the interest of the monied filks around here. That is pretty clear.
Finally, in my opinion, George Bush Jr. does not have a clue about many
important issues that impact not only the United States, but the World at
large just because the U.S economy does yield some important effect that
eventually reaches much farther than America's shores.
I am also one who believes that voting for third party candidates is just
what everyone, including the two main parties see it as, a vote spoiler. It
takes away votes from the two main candidates one of whom always ends up
winning, namely the Democrats and the Republicans, while these other
candidates make a statement but never win.What they may accomplish is to tip
the balance in the wrong direction somethimes. E.g, the Republicans are
hoping that more people will vote for Ralph Nader instead of the Democrats,
while they try to get as many of their voters out to the voting booth come
Novenber. This is why they are now using the Ralph nader Ad to attack Al
Gore. However, such is democracy, even if the results are so predictable.My
opinion is that if George Bush goes to the White House, it will be a sad day
for America's majority, the poor working people oif this country. School
vouchers are not the answer to the education problem in America. What it will
do is merely throw a few crumbs at poor fmilies in the form of these
vouchers, and no one can guarantee that the private schools will accept their
kids when they come calling with these vouchers. Funding public schools and
making resources available to the schools in the less affluent neignbourhoods
of this country, as well as reducing class sizes, providing more money for
training for teachers etc is what will tip the balance, and the Repuiblicans
will not do this I promise you.If public schools get the funding and attetion
they need, you will be mamzed what they can accomplish. I have graduated two
daughters from a public school that has higher standards and more
accomplishments than any expensive private school here in Nashville, and
there are many of them.These are magnet schools, and because we do not get as
much money from the state, the parents have footed bills for a variety of
things, and this is what has brough the excellent standards that this school
enjoys. Kids friom this school get into schools that the private school kids
can only dream about. This Republican voucher deal will leave out the
majority of America's poor children in the cold as far as education is
concerned.
Jabou Joh
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:56:58 EST
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Modou Alieu,
Our sincere condolences to you and the rest of the family. May Allah (SWT)
grant your brother a place in his Jannah, and may he provide comfort to those
he has left behind, and may he make it easy for those who will take care of
them. Ameen.
Jabou Joh
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commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday
the 27/10/00.He is survived by a lovely wife Yassin Njie and several children
.May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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Dear Sidi,
You are given a very good insight to the whole crisis,I really appreciate
your comments,they make me see things more and more clear.
But that only 37% of eligible voters made their way to the polling stations
is not only an evidence of the underlying problems in the country,this I
believed you did try to show,but also the problem with parliamentary
democracy,such problems could be found al l over the world.However,if
Ouattaras party and the other opposition parties happened to win the
majority of seats in parliament,until they play a constructive role in
parliament, the problem s of the country might not be solved,we will instead
have a new problem.
That Gbagbo was in the leadership of the pro-Democratic movement(in the 90s)
and Ouattara a Pm should not be underestimated.That he was fighting against
corruption etc,whiles the old man remains in power with all the life style
he is known to have and his dictatorial tendency says a lot about Ouattaras
determination to have a different Ivory Coast.If you could remember in own
country,when corruption was almost out of control under the PPP regime,Fafa
Mbye was brought in to deal with the situation,such political tactics are
only meant to entertain public out cry or to give the head of State the
possibility for using a divide and rule tactic in internal party conflicts.I
hope the international will follow the example of the Ivorian opposition
leaders and congratulate Gbogbo for his victory.
Let us wish the Ivorians good luck,they have sacrificed a lot to reach this
stage.
For Freedom
Saiks
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> Dear Saiks,
>
> As to so many who have written both publicly and privately, I say thanks
for
> your concern about the safety of all of us here in Cote d'Ivoire. On the
> issues you raised in you posting, I have the following comments to make:
>
> The reasons behind Ouattara's demand for fresh elections was based on the
> fact that he, together with the PDCI candidates were declared ineligible
for
> various reasons. As you know, in the case of Ouattara, it was for the
> reason that his mother was not Ivorian when the Constitution calls for
both
> parents being Ivorians. Ouattara bitterly contests this. As a result of
> his being barred to run, he urged his supporters to boycott the
presidential
> elections. PDCI also boycotted the elections because all their nominees
> were also declared ineligible by the Constitutional Court. The RDR and
PDCI
> are the two biggest political parties as confirmed in the total number of
> eligible votes cast on election day; i.e 37.4 per cent. 62.6 per cent of
> all eligible voters did not vote, presumable because they were either RDR
or
> PDCI. Included in this figure are those who would not have voted even if
> both Ouattara and the PDCI candidate were on the ballot. The general
> feeling, however, is that the majority that stay away were RDR and PDCI
> supporters. Some of Gbagbo's votes were protest votes against Guei. They
> would rather see a civilian with political experience elected than Guei
> retained. These protests votes may have been a combination of Ouattara
and
> Bedie supporters who are still licking their wounds after being overthrown
> by Guei. Whether they voted for him with the expectation of a call for
fresh
> election is uncertain. But my view is to the contrary because Ivorians are
> not that politically naive to believe that Gbagbo, who has been in the
> political wilderness for over two decades, will call for fresh elections
> after winning; a re-run which he is not certain to win.
>
> I am of a different opinion as it concerns the democratic credentials of
> Ouattara. True, he was the hand-picked PM of Houphoueh-Boigny but his
> record during his tenure shows him to be an incorruptible man and an
> efficient manager. He fought corruption from the top down which is one of
> his problems dogging him to this day because those big guns of the PDCI
from
> whom he demanded accountability are still around. Anyway, let us give
> Gbagbo a chance to display his democratic credentials and leadership
> qualities.
>
> Initially, Ouattara demanded a re-run but after meeting Gbagbo he has
> indicated his willingness to proceed with the legislative elections in
> December which observers believe he will win with a majority. Should he
> control the legislature, Gbagbo would find it difficult to govern without
a
> coalition and/or a compromise acceptable to the opposition. Ouattara is
no
> longer insisting on a fresh election at this point. Come December, the
story
> could be different altogether.
>
> On a personal note, my regards to Ndey and the little one.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
>
>
> >From: Saikou Samateh <[log in to unmask]>
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> >
> >Dear Sidi,
> >I hope you and the Family are doing fine and far away from the troubles.
> >However I have been following the debate here and it seems that the
general
> >line is that a new elections should be called for.This perhaps might be a
> >way out of the present crisis,since all what the other opposition party
is
> >calling for is a new elections.But I have my doubts as why all these
> >troubles now.Did the Ivorians voted for Gbagbo because they did not have
a
> >better favourite ?or did they vote for him expecting that he will call
for
> >new election after vining victory ?
> >Ouattara has always been the favourite of the west,this is because of his
> >political background.He has never question the politics of the West in
the
> >continent.And the fact that his participation in the former undemocratic
> >and
> >dictatorial government of Felex Houphouet Boigny is an indication that
his
> >sense of democracy is limited.Remember that when Gbagbo was a political
> >victim,during the Pro-Democratic unrest,Ouattara was a man of power.The
> >bitter relationship between the two must not be reduced to the
unfortunate
> >statement of Gagbo that he ,Ouattara ,is not an Ivorian.
> >The pressure that is put on Gbagbo is very unfortunate,why,because this
is
> >a
> >very opportune time for Ivorians to get the records straight,they came
out
> >in the streets in their thousands to defend their victory ,and if
Ouattara
> >,instead of helping to advance this victory,called upon his supporters to
> >come out and demand for new elections is without doubt very
unfortunate.If
> >the same pressure have been put on Guei,before the elections,perhaps the
> >story will be different.That the OAU,instead of looking at the problem
> >from
> >a very different angle to find a solution to the problem,decides to
echoed
> >the hypocritical demand of the West,is without doubt very unfortunate.In
my
> >opinion,Ouattara should either join the National Reconciliation
Government
> >or continue his opposition activities,whiles waiting for the next
election.
> >
> >For Freedom
> >Saiks
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Sidi Sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: FWD: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S GUEI
> >
> >
> > > Bro. Habib,
> > >
> > > Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is
not
> > > only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between
> >Gbagbo
> > > and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
> > > embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's
reference
> >to
> > > "President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry
> >between
> > > the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even
> >after
> > > meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead supporters"
> >and
> > > not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert
further
> > > bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and
one
> >of
> > > the options available
> > > to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
> > > re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU, ECOWAS
> >and
> > > countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and
> >sensitive
> > > issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long
run.
> > > Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a
> >clear
> > > and unequivocal stance on this one.
> > >
> > > Sidi Sanneh
> > >
> > >
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Subject: Nader/vote swapping
> Hey there,
> For all of you who want to support Nader but are horrified at the idea
> of Bush being elected president (far more than Gore), here is a possible
> solution. Check out the article below and the web site - it will hook you
up
> with voters in states where Gore has no chance. They will vote Nader for
you
> (helping make sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to
> qualify the 2004 Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding)
and
> you vote for Gore here in Washington State - so it isn't lost to Bush.
Then
> next time hopefully we can do better than Bush and Gore....
> .........
> - http://slate.msn.com/Concept/00-10-24/Concept.asp
>
>
>
>
> > > > > high concept
> > > > Nader's Traders
> > > > How to save Al Gore's bacon by swapping votes on the Internet.
> > > > By Jamin Raskin
> > > > Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. PT
> > > >
> > > > According to the Washington Post and the Al Gore campaign, the
> > > presidential race is now so close that a strong showing by Ralph Nader
> in
> > 10
> > > swing states could help give George W. Bush the 270 Electoral College
> > votes
> > > he needs to win. This leaves hundreds of thousands of progressive
Nader
> > > supporters in swing states such as Maine, Michigan, Oregon,
Washington,
> > and
> > > New Mexico with a dilemma: Should they vote their hearts for Ralph and
> > make
> > > sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to qualify the
> 2004
> > > Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding? Or should they
> > vote
> > > strategically for Al to stop George?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of frustrated Gore voters trapped
in
> > the
> > > Republican-controlled states of Texas, Louisiana, Virginia, Utah, and
> > Alaska
> > > face a quandary of their own. Bush holds such a commanding lead in
these
> > > places that even if Gore supporters cast their ballots for their man,
he
> > > won't win any of those states. These are truly wasted votes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But wait! There is a way for Gore voters trapped in Republican
states
> to
> > > liberate Nader supporters in the tossup states to vote for Gore
without
> > > actually abandoning their support for Nader and a strong Green Party
in
> > the
> > > future. The key is a variation on a voting device used in the Senate
> > called
> > > "pairing," whereby senators on opposite sides of issues match up their
> > votes
> > > if they are going to be away from Washington. (This arrangement is so
> > formal
> > > that when the Congressional Record reports the ayes and nays on a
vote,
> it
> > > reflects the pairs by name.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Gore/Nader vote-swapping plan could use a Web site to pair
> > individual
> > > Gore Democrats in Republican states with individual Nader supporters
in
> > > swing states. Democrats from Texas and other states in the definite
Bush
> > > column could register at the site by name under a brief text stating
> that,
> > > as Gore supporters in a Republican state, they have concluded that
their
> > > best hope for contributing to a Gore victory is to vote for Nader in
the
> > > explicit hope that Nader voters in swing states will correspondingly
> cast
> > > their ballots for Gore. Nader supporters in the swing states could add
> > their
> > > names to a similar list under a brief text stating that, as Nader
> > supporters
> > > in a tossup state, they have decided to vote for Gore but do so in the
> > > explicit hope that Gore voters in Republican states will
correspondingly
> > > cast their ballots for Nader. Using sorting software, the Web site
could
> > > then match individual Gore voters to individual Nader voters. If just
> > > 100,000 Gore supporters and 100,000 Nader supporters in the key states
> > > registered and kept their words, both a Gore victory and federal
funding
> > for
> > > the Greens could be accomplished.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This plan is not for everyone. Some people regard voting as
primarily
> > > moral and expressive-not political and strategic-behavior, and they
will
> > > recoil at the thought of ever pulling the lever for someone who is not
> > their
> > > first-choice candidate. I cannot convince them. This is a plan for
> people
> > > who regard voting as essentially strategic behavior that requires us
to
> > > focus on real-world political outcomes and meanings. But if it is
> immoral
> > to
> > > vote strategically, the campaigns should stop trying to convince
> > > people-Nader voters, most prominently-to change their votes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Others might suggest that the plan won't work because it is based on
> the
> > > honor system, and all citizens will have an incentive to break their
own
> > > promises. I do not share this rather grim evaluation of human nature.
At
> > any
> > > rate, I would suppose that the tendency and proclivity to lie are
> constant
> > > features proportionately distributed across members of different
> political
> > > parties. Besides, the logic of vote-swapping is so appealing that it
> might
> > > encourage some Gore and Nader voters to spontaneously cast their
ballots
> > for
> > > the other guy without registering at the Web site.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Finally, it might be argued that there is something irresponsible
> about
> > > this kind of massive vote-trading. The point is off-base. It is the
> > highest
> > > form of democratic politics to consult your fellow citizens about
> > electoral
> > > choices. We are obviously not talking about any kind of binding,
> > enforceable
> > > contract here. Although state laws prohibit the selling of votes, this
> > would
> > > surely not count as vote-selling. Since no one is bound by their
> > statements,
> > > it would not even amount to vote-trading, which is itself a perfectly
> > > permissible and ordinary activity. Indeed, vote-trading is the essence
> of
> > > legislative logrolling in Washington: You vote yes on my highway bill,
> and
> > I
> > > will vote yes on your tax bill. We compromise to arrive at mutually
> > workable
> > > solutions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The choices we are forced to make in presidential elections reflect
> the
> > > peculiarities of the Electoral College system. In this election, the
> > > indecision experienced by Nader Democrats and Greens in tossup states
is
> > > only matched by the impotent frustration of Gore Democrats in states
> where
> > > the Gore campaign has essentially pulled up stakes and surrendered to
> > Bush.
> > > I say they should join forces through the Internet and become
professors
> > of
> > > the Electoral College rather than dropouts from it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> > > ___
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Document reposted by APIC
+++++++++++++++++++++Document Profile+++++++++++++++++++++
Region: Continent-Wide
Issue Areas: +economy/development+
Summary Contents:
This posting contains excerpts from a September 2000 report by Mike
Jensen on the status of the internet in Africa. Extensive
additional details are available on the site on the topic
maintained by Jensen: http://www3.sn.apc.org/africa/ The full
version of this report is at
http://www3.sn.apc.org/africa/afstat.htm
Of related interest:
APIC Africa on the Internet Page
http://www.africapolicy.org/inet.htm
Has links to country-specific data and news.
Economic Commission for Africa National Information and
Communications Infrastructure
http://www.bellanet.org/partners/aisi/nici
Includes country-specific data on web sites and on information
infrastructure
Virtual exhibitions on Africaserver
http://www.africaserver.nl/virtual/index_uk.html
Innovative multilingual collaboration on art exhibits from
Mozambique, Burkina Faso and other countries. Includes the
striking Arms into Art sculpture exhibit from Nucleo de Arte in
Maputo.
Results of Elections for at-large representatives to Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
http://www.apc.org/english/rights/governance/
Elected candidates include Nii Quaynor of Ghana for Africa, one of
the civil society candidates recommended by the Association for
Progressive Communications.
Recent Application for .africa top-level internet domain
http://www.icann.org/tlds/africa1/
Rathbawn Computers Limited, incorporated in Ireland and with
contact addresses in Colorado and Australia, has applied for new
top-level domains .africa and .afr for the African continent.
Applications for new top-level domains (like the current .com, .org
and two-letter country domains) are now being received by ICANN.
While the company's application argues that it will provide
low-cost services for Africa, there is no indication that it has
any previous connection with the continent. Rathbawn is also
applying for the .sex top-level domain.
+++++++++++++++++end profile++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
African Internet Status
Sept 2000
Mike Jensen - [log in to unmask]
The Internet has grown rapidly on the continent over the last few
years. At the end of 1996 only 11 countries had Internet access,
but by September this year all 54 countries and territories had
achieved permanent connectivity. Liberia, however, currently has no
local Internet services (Liberia was connected last year, but lost
its link when the ISP failed to achieve commercial viability).
Despite the rapid growth of Internet access in Africa it has been
largely confined to the capital cities, although a growing number
of countries do have points of presence (POPs) in some of the
secondary towns (currently 16 countries - Algeria, Angola,
Botswana, DRC, Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Morocco,
Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, Tanzania, Tunisia, Zambia and
Zimbabwe), and South Africa has POPs in about 100 cities and towns.
However, in some countries the national telecom operators have made
a special policy to provide local call Internet access across the
whole country. ... so far only 15 of the 53 countries have adopted
this strategy - Benin, Burkina Faso, Cap Vert, Ethiopia, Gabon,
Malawi, Mali, Mauritius, Mauritania, Morocco, Senegal, Tchad, Togo,
Tunisia, and Zimbabwe.
The total number of computers permanently connected to the Internet
in Africa (excluding South Africa) finally broke the 10 000 mark at
the beginning of 1999 and in Jan 2000 it stood at almost 12 000, an
increase of 20% as measured by Network Wizards. The figure may
actually be closer to 25 000 to 30 000 due to the measurement
technique which cannot count hosts which are not referenced in
domain name servers and those that are registered under the generic
TLDs - .com, .net, .org. Nevertheless this still means Africa has
about as many hosts on the Internet as a small Eastern European
country such as Latvia, which only has a population of 2.5 million
(compared to the 780m people in Africa's as estimated by Unicef
1998, about 13% of the total world population).
The recent opening up of the Nigerian Internet market is beginning
to change this picture as the telecom regulator has licensed 38
ISPs to sell services and about 12 are currently active. With a
fifth of Sub Sahara's population, Nigeria has been one of the
slumbering giants of the African Internet world which until mid '98
only had a few dialup email providers and a couple of full ISPs
operating on very low bandwidth links - few were able to afford the
$130 000 a year for an international 9.6Kbps leased line. Nitel has
now established a POP in Lagos with a 2MB link to Global One in the
US and has put POPs in 4 other cities..
It is difficult to measure actual numbers of Internet users, but
figures for the number of dialup subscriber accounts to ISPs are
more readily available, for which it is estimated that there are
now over 1 000 000 subscribers in Africa. Of these, North Africa is
responsible for about 200 000 and South Africa for 650 000, leaving
about 150 000 for the remaining 50 African countries. But each
computer with an Internet or email connection supports an average
of three users, a recent study by the UN Economic Commission for
Africa (ECA) has found. This puts current estimates of the number
of African Internet users at somewhere around 3 million in total,
with about 1 million outside of South Africa. This works out at
about one Internet user for every 250 people, compared to a world
average of about one user for every 35 people, and a North American
and European average of about one in every 3 people. ...
There are now about 28 countries with 1000 or more dialup
subscribers, but only about 11 countries with 5000 or more - Cote
d'Ivoire, Egypt, Morocco, Kenya, Ghana, Mozambique, Nigeria, South
Africa, Tunisia, Uganda and Zimbabwe. Clearly a number of countries
such as those in North Africa and Southern Africa have more highly
developed economies and better infrastructures which would
naturally result in larger populations of Internet users. ...
Currently, the average total cost of using a local dialup Internet
account for 5 hours a month in Africa is about $50/month (usage
fees, telephone time included, but not telephone line rental).
Nevertheless ISP charges vary greatly - between $10 and $100 a
month, largely reflecting the different levels of maturity of the
markets, the varying tariff policies of the telecom operators, and
the different national policies on private wireless data services
and on access to international telecommunications bandwidth.
According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development, in '97, 20 hours of Internet access in the U.S. cost
$29, including telephone charges. Although European costs were
higher ($74 in Germany, $52 in France, $65 in Britain, and $53 in
Italy) these figures are for 4 times the amount of access, and all
of these countries have per capita incomes which are at least 10
times greater than the African average.
Most African capitals now have more than one ISP and in early 2000
there were about 450 public ISPs across the region (excluding SA,
where the market has consolidated into 2 major players with 90% of
the market and 40-50 small players with the remainder). Seven
countries had 10 or more ISPs - Egypt, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria,
South Africa, Tanzania and Zimbabwe - while 20 countries had only
one ISP. Although Ethiopia and Mauritius are the only countries
where a monopoly ISP is national policy (i.e. where private
companies are barred from reselling Internet services), there are
other countries in which this practice still continues,
predominantly in the Sahel sub-region where markets are small.
In response to the high cost of full Internet based services and
the slow speed of the web, and also because of the overriding
importance of electronic mail, lower-cost email-only services have
been launched by many ISPs and are continuing to attract
subscribers. Similarly, because of the relatively high cost of
local electronic mailbox services from African ISPs, a large
proportion of African email users make use of the free Web-based
services such as Hotmail, Yahoo or Excite, most of which are in the
US. These services can be more costly and cumbersome than using
standard email software, because extra online time is needed to
maintain the connection to the remote site. But they do provide the
added advantages of anonymity and perhaps greater perceived
stability than a local ISP who may not be in business next year.
There is also a rapidly growing interest in kiosks, cybercafes and
other forms of public Internet access, such as adding PCs to
community phone-shops, schools, police stations and clinics which
can share the cost of equipment and access amongst a larger number
of users. Many existing 'phone shops' are now adding Internet
access to their services, even in remote towns where it is a
long-distance call to the nearest dialup access point. In addition
a growing number of hotels and business centres provide a PC with
Internet access.
The rapidity with which most African public telecom operators have
moved into the Internet services market is also noteworthy. In the
last three years PTOs have brought Internet services on stream in
31 countries and similar moves are afoot in three others (Liberia,
Somalia and Tanzania). ...
In all the countries where the PTO has established the
international Internet backbone, it is the sole International link
provider except in Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Mozambique, South Africa
and Zambia where they compete with private sector international
links. Usually the PTOs operate the international gateway and
access to the national backbone, and leave the resale of end-user
Internet access to the private sector. In a few countries the PTO
also competes with the private sector in the provision of end-user
dialup accounts, namely, Cameroun, South Africa and Zambia.
As far as the multinational ISPs are concerned, AfricaOnline
(http://www.africaonline.com), is the largest operation. The group
is consolidating its year of growth which saw local branches open
in Namibia, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda and Zimbabwe, adding to its
stable in Ghana, Kenya, and Cote d'Ivoire. AfricaOnline has plans
to open up in additional countries over the coming months. ...
Due to high international tariffs and lack of circuit capacity,
obtaining sufficient international bandwidth for delivering web
pages over the Internet is still a major problem in most countries.
Until recently few of the countries outside of South Africa had
international Internet links larger than 64Kbps, but today 24
countries have 512Kps or more, and 15 countries have outgoing links
of 1Mbps or more - Botswana, Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, Libya,
Madagascar, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria,
Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania and Tunisia. Excluding South
Africa, the total international outgoing Internet bandwidth
installed in Africa is about 60Mbps. However this means that on
average about 6 dialup users must share each 1Kbps of international
bandwidth, making for slow connections to remote sites.
As a result, a growing number of African Internet sites are hosted
on servers that are in Europe or the U.S. This is especially
necessary for countries where ISPs operate their own independent
international links without local interconnections (peering), such
as in Kenya and Tanzania, which means that traffic between the
subscribers of two ISPs in the same city must travel to the US or
Europe and back. This makes it more efficient to host
outside-country, and is also being encouraged because web hosting
costs can be very high, while there are even a number of free
hosting sites in the US and Europe. ...
With the exception of some ISPs in Southern Africa, almost all of
the international Internet circuits in Africa connect to the USA,
with a few to the United Kingdom, Italy and France. However,
Internet Service Providers in countries with borders shared with
South Africa benefit from the low tariff policies instituted by the
South African telecom operator for international links to
neighbouring countries. As a result South Africa acts as a hub for
some of its neighbouring countries - Lesotho, Namibia, and
Swaziland.
The major international Internet suppliers are AT&T, BT, Global
One/Sprint, UUNET/AlterNet, MCI, NSN, BBN, Teleglobe, Verio and
France Telecom/FCR. A number of other links are provided by
PanamSat and Intelsat direct to private and PTO groundstations in
the US and UK, circumventing local PTO infrastructure.
Aside from the South Africa/Lesotho/Swaziland network and a link
between Mauritius and Madagascar, there are no other regional
backbones or links between neighbouring countries. The main reason
for this is that the high international tariffs charged by telecom
operators discourages Internet Service Providers from establishing
multiple international links. As a result ISPs are forced to
consolidate all of their traffic over a single high cost
international circuit.
Roaming dialup Internet access is now a reality for travellers to
most African countries courtesy of SITA, the airline co-operative,
which has by far the largest network in Africa. SITA's commercial
division, SCITOR (recently renamed Equant), which was formed to
service the non-airline market, now operates dialup points of
presence in 40 African countries. Subscribers to Internet service
providers who are members of IPASS (a group of ISPs, including
SITA, who share their POPs) can access their home ISPs for about
$0.22c a minute. See http://www.ipass.com. ...
The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) has now taken
over administration of Internet IP Address space for Africa (along
with North America, South America, and the Caribbean). This means
that address space is no longer free and until a local African
Registry can be set up, networks will now be required to pay ARIN
USD$2500 per year to obtain a Class-C address. A proposal for an
Africa Network Information Centre (NIC) has been discussed for some
years only now is progress being made, partly because of the lack
of on-the-ground national networking associations to support it and
the political difficulties of identifying the appropriate host
country and organisation to operate it. ...
Evidence gathered by ECA suggests the average level of Internet use
in Africa is about one incoming and one outgoing email per day,
averaging 3 to 4 pages, in communications which are most often with
people outside the continent. Surveys indicated that about 25
percent of the email is replacing faxes, while 10 percent are
replacing phone calls and the other 65 percent are communications
that would not have been made in the absence of an email system.
The highest number of users surveyed belonged to non-government
organizations (NGOs), private companies and universities. The ratio
of nationals to non-nationals varied between countries: 44 percent
of users surveyed in Zambia were nationals as compared to 90
percent in Ghana. Most users were male: 86 percent in Ethiopia, 83
percent in Senegal, and 64 percent in Zambia. The large majority of
users were well educated: 87 percent of users in Zambia and 98
percent in Ethiopia had a university degree. ...
Email is used for general correspondence and document exchange,
technical advice, managing projects, arranging meetings, and
exchanging research ideas, although its use is still limited for
accessing formal information resources. Across the continent, users
report that email has increased efficiency and reduced the cost of
communication but as yet it is used almost exclusively for
contacting individuals in other regions. The Web is still a
relatively under-utilised resource, although 40 percent of Zambian
users questioned had conducted literature searches on the web.
Universities were initially at the vanguard of Internet
developments in Africa and most of them provide email services,
however in early 1999 only about 20 countries had universities with
full Internet connectivity. Because of the limited resources and
high costs of providing computer facilities and bandwidth, full
Internet access at the universities where it exists is usually
restricted to staff. Post graduates are often able to obtain access
but the general student population usually has no access.
In the area of Internet content development, the African web-space
is expanding rapidly and almost all countries have some form of
local or internationally hosted web server, unofficially or
officially representing the country with varying degrees of
comprehensiveness. However, there are still generally few
institutions that are using the Web to deliver significant
quantities of information. While increasing numbers of
organisations have a Web site with basic descriptive and contact
information, many are hosted by international development agency
sites, and very few actually use the Web for their activities. This
is partly explained by the limited number of local people that have
access to the Internet (and thus the limited importance of a web
presence to the institution), the limited skills available for
digitising and coding pages, and also by the high costs of local
web hosting services.
It can be observed that the French speaking countries have a far
higher profile on the Web and greater institutional connectivity
than the non-French speaking countries. This is largely due to the
strong assistance provided by the various Francophone support
agencies, and the Canadian and French governments, which are
concerned about the dominance of English on the Internet. ...
Although there are a few notable official general government web
sites, such as those of Angola, Egypt, Gabon, Mauritius, Morocco,
Mozambique, Senegal, Togo, Tunisia and Zambia, there is as yet no
discernible government use of the Internet for existing
administrative purposes. ...
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Thanks Jabou
Your points are well taken. But in times of obvious unfairness seen across the whole world when the sitting
Government which Al Gore is part of does little or nothing to stop the blatant aggressions of of Israeli
soldiers one wonders if Al Gore really cares.
Yes the economy is good now . All my kids as well as yours went to public schools but AL Gore and his kids
all went to private schools here on military road unlike others you and me and like President Jimmy Carter.
I personally can verify this.Vouchers in the educational system would enhance the small private and religious
schools not break down the public school system . contrary what the scare mongers say. Public schools will
still be funded and we will have a choice as to where we send our kids. We can have a say on How we bring up
our kids plus the religious backgrounds needed . Funding public schools is not the issue here it is the
choice of parents to choose which I favor strongly
Racial profiling goes along with secret evidence . Gore talks only of one and ignores the other..
You mentioned about third party candidates are spoilers
Well I beg to differ . What if if both candidates in the main parties suck like the present ones. . Only very
rich & connected people can be nominated in theses two parties -reality -
So As I said earlier my vote may be wasted but my conscience will be intact am voting my conscience this time
and Ralph Nader fits that so far. I may be wrong but honestly I do not care for both the Republicans and the
Democrats. We need an Independent third party in the US very badly and I hope one fine day the choice will
be not only with two strong candidates but Three.
Good luck .to Gore , Bush is just a spoilt rich brat who just wants to settle a score for his dad. Gore must
come out and talk against secret evidence openly to get my vote. It is only one ,it may not count to him but
to me it does.
I will change my mind if he takes a stand against this horrible secret evidence issue.
habib
Jabou Joh wrote:
> Habib,
>
> I agree with most of your points on Gore and Bush being more or less the
> same. However, you are wrong about Gore being silent about racial profiling.
> I believe he coveres that point in many of his speeches I have heard, and
> especially in the debates. Bush does making a passing "politician's remark"
> on the subject whenever he feels he cannot avoid the issue. Personally, I am
> like Daddy Sang, voting for one of these candidates is just voting for the
> lesser of two evils. These guys say what they think the people want to hear,
> although Bill Clinton has done a great deal for the economy of this country,
> and I believe Al Gore will continue along the same lines. I also believe that
> although things may not be ideal, the Democratic party in this country has
> reached out to and stood for the interest of poor and non White people in
> this counrty over the years, while the Republicans are a party that stands
> for the interest of the monied filks around here. That is pretty clear.
> Finally, in my opinion, George Bush Jr. does not have a clue about many
> important issues that impact not only the United States, but the World at
> large just because the U.S economy does yield some important effect that
> eventually reaches much farther than America's shores.
> I am also one who believes that voting for third party candidates is just
> what everyone, including the two main parties see it as, a vote spoiler. It
> takes away votes from the two main candidates one of whom always ends up
> winning, namely the Democrats and the Republicans, while these other
> candidates make a statement but never win.What they may accomplish is to tip
> the balance in the wrong direction somethimes. E.g, the Republicans are
> hoping that more people will vote for Ralph Nader instead of the Democrats,
> while they try to get as many of their voters out to the voting booth come
> Novenber. This is why they are now using the Ralph nader Ad to attack Al
> Gore. However, such is democracy, even if the results are so predictable.My
> opinion is that if George Bush goes to the White House, it will be a sad day
> for America's majority, the poor working people oif this country. School
> vouchers are not the answer to the education problem in America. What it will
> do is merely throw a few crumbs at poor fmilies in the form of these
> vouchers, and no one can guarantee that the private schools will accept their
> kids when they come calling with these vouchers. Funding public schools and
> making resources available to the schools in the less affluent neignbourhoods
> of this country, as well as reducing class sizes, providing more money for
> training for teachers etc is what will tip the balance, and the Repuiblicans
> will not do this I promise you.If public schools get the funding and attetion
> they need, you will be mamzed what they can accomplish. I have graduated two
> daughters from a public school that has higher standards and more
> accomplishments than any expensive private school here in Nashville, and
> there are many of them.These are magnet schools, and because we do not get as
> much money from the state, the parents have footed bills for a variety of
> things, and this is what has brough the excellent standards that this school
> enjoys. Kids friom this school get into schools that the private school kids
> can only dream about. This Republican voucher deal will leave out the
> majority of America's poor children in the cold as far as education is
> concerned.
>
> Jabou Joh
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Thanks Ylva
I will consider these options. I did not know about.-first I must verify the validity. Thanks again
Habib
Ylva Hernlund wrote:
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> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:17:13 -0700
> From: Harriet M. Phinney <[log in to unmask]>
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> To: Anthropology Graduate Students <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Nader/vote swapping
>
> > Hey there,
> > For all of you who want to support Nader but are horrified at the idea
> > of Bush being elected president (far more than Gore), here is a possible
> > solution. Check out the article below and the web site - it will hook you
> up
> > with voters in states where Gore has no chance. They will vote Nader for
> you
> > (helping make sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to
> > qualify the 2004 Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding)
> and
> > you vote for Gore here in Washington State - so it isn't lost to Bush.
> Then
> > next time hopefully we can do better than Bush and Gore....
> > .........
> > - http://slate.msn.com/Concept/00-10-24/Concept.asp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > high concept
> > > > > Nader's Traders
> > > > > How to save Al Gore's bacon by swapping votes on the Internet.
> > > > > By Jamin Raskin
> > > > > Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. PT
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Washington Post and the Al Gore campaign, the
> > > > presidential race is now so close that a strong showing by Ralph Nader
> > in
> > > 10
> > > > swing states could help give George W. Bush the 270 Electoral College
> > > votes
> > > > he needs to win. This leaves hundreds of thousands of progressive
> Nader
> > > > supporters in swing states such as Maine, Michigan, Oregon,
> Washington,
> > > and
> > > > New Mexico with a dilemma: Should they vote their hearts for Ralph and
> > > make
> > > > sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to qualify the
> > 2004
> > > > Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding? Or should they
> > > vote
> > > > strategically for Al to stop George?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of frustrated Gore voters trapped
> in
> > > the
> > > > Republican-controlled states of Texas, Louisiana, Virginia, Utah, and
> > > Alaska
> > > > face a quandary of their own. Bush holds such a commanding lead in
> these
> > > > places that even if Gore supporters cast their ballots for their man,
> he
> > > > won't win any of those states. These are truly wasted votes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But wait! There is a way for Gore voters trapped in Republican
> states
> > to
> > > > liberate Nader supporters in the tossup states to vote for Gore
> without
> > > > actually abandoning their support for Nader and a strong Green Party
> in
> > > the
> > > > future. The key is a variation on a voting device used in the Senate
> > > called
> > > > "pairing," whereby senators on opposite sides of issues match up their
> > > votes
> > > > if they are going to be away from Washington. (This arrangement is so
> > > formal
> > > > that when the Congressional Record reports the ayes and nays on a
> vote,
> > it
> > > > reflects the pairs by name.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Gore/Nader vote-swapping plan could use a Web site to pair
> > > individual
> > > > Gore Democrats in Republican states with individual Nader supporters
> in
> > > > swing states. Democrats from Texas and other states in the definite
> Bush
> > > > column could register at the site by name under a brief text stating
> > that,
> > > > as Gore supporters in a Republican state, they have concluded that
> their
> > > > best hope for contributing to a Gore victory is to vote for Nader in
> the
> > > > explicit hope that Nader voters in swing states will correspondingly
> > cast
> > > > their ballots for Gore. Nader supporters in the swing states could add
> > > their
> > > > names to a similar list under a brief text stating that, as Nader
> > > supporters
> > > > in a tossup state, they have decided to vote for Gore but do so in the
> > > > explicit hope that Gore voters in Republican states will
> correspondingly
> > > > cast their ballots for Nader. Using sorting software, the Web site
> could
> > > > then match individual Gore voters to individual Nader voters. If just
> > > > 100,000 Gore supporters and 100,000 Nader supporters in the key states
> > > > registered and kept their words, both a Gore victory and federal
> funding
> > > for
> > > > the Greens could be accomplished.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This plan is not for everyone. Some people regard voting as
> primarily
> > > > moral and expressive-not political and strategic-behavior, and they
> will
> > > > recoil at the thought of ever pulling the lever for someone who is not
> > > their
> > > > first-choice candidate. I cannot convince them. This is a plan for
> > people
> > > > who regard voting as essentially strategic behavior that requires us
> to
> > > > focus on real-world political outcomes and meanings. But if it is
> > immoral
> > > to
> > > > vote strategically, the campaigns should stop trying to convince
> > > > people-Nader voters, most prominently-to change their votes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Others might suggest that the plan won't work because it is based on
> > the
> > > > honor system, and all citizens will have an incentive to break their
> own
> > > > promises. I do not share this rather grim evaluation of human nature.
> At
> > > any
> > > > rate, I would suppose that the tendency and proclivity to lie are
> > constant
> > > > features proportionately distributed across members of different
> > political
> > > > parties. Besides, the logic of vote-swapping is so appealing that it
> > might
> > > > encourage some Gore and Nader voters to spontaneously cast their
> ballots
> > > for
> > > > the other guy without registering at the Web site.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, it might be argued that there is something irresponsible
> > about
> > > > this kind of massive vote-trading. The point is off-base. It is the
> > > highest
> > > > form of democratic politics to consult your fellow citizens about
> > > electoral
> > > > choices. We are obviously not talking about any kind of binding,
> > > enforceable
> > > > contract here. Although state laws prohibit the selling of votes, this
> > > would
> > > > surely not count as vote-selling. Since no one is bound by their
> > > statements,
> > > > it would not even amount to vote-trading, which is itself a perfectly
> > > > permissible and ordinary activity. Indeed, vote-trading is the essence
> > of
> > > > legislative logrolling in Washington: You vote yes on my highway bill,
> > and
> > > I
> > > > will vote yes on your tax bill. We compromise to arrive at mutually
> > > workable
> > > > solutions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The choices we are forced to make in presidential elections reflect
> > the
> > > > peculiarities of the Electoral College system. In this election, the
> > > > indecision experienced by Nader Democrats and Greens in tossup states
> is
> > > > only matched by the impotent frustration of Gore Democrats in states
> > where
> > > > the Gore campaign has essentially pulled up stakes and surrendered to
> > > Bush.
> > > > I say they should join forces through the Internet and become
> professors
> > > of
> > > > the Electoral College rather than dropouts from it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> > > > ___
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Sidi Sanneh,
Any consensus? Bro. Habib is for Ralph Nader. You appear to be undecided
but
I can see Gore written all over your face. My prognosis is that the
death of
the Missouri's Carnahan democratic candidate for the Senate seat may
have
just delivered Missouri to Bush. Missouri together with Wisconsin,
Ohio,
Illinois and Michigan (despite the union votes) going to the Bush column
will
produce a Republican victory. I am prepared to eat my words come
November 7
in the event of a miraculous Gore victory in which case don't call me
Nov.,
I will call you.
Sidi Sanneh
Brother Sidi , you are so right . I am upset at Gore but support the
Clintons 100%
This dilemma is what I am faced with. .
Maybe if Gore makes a statement regarding blatant atrocities publicly
and stop blaming one side (the muslims) I will go back to my democratic
party nominee.
BOTH sides are wrong in the conflict but to blame only one side is
morally wrong
What do you think of an independent strong third party also ?
My sisters Hania & Amira and their husbands talk highly of you . Maybe
you should come back and save the Gambia . I will support the idea of a
President Sidi Sanneh
in the Gambia ( laugh)
Best regards
Habib
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> African Internet Status
>
> Sept 2000
>
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> The Internet has grown rapidly on the continent over the last few
> years. At the end of 1996 only 11 countries had Internet access,
> but by September this year all 54 countries and territories had
> achieved permanent connectivity. Liberia, however, currently has no
> local Internet services (Liberia was connected last year, but lost
> its link when the ISP failed to achieve commercial viability).
>
> Despite the rapid growth of Internet access in Africa it has been
> largely confined to the capital cities, although a growing number
> of countries do have points of presence (POPs) in some of the
> secondary towns (currently 16 countries - Algeria, Angola,
> Botswana, DRC, Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Morocco,
> Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, Tanzania, Tunisia, Zambia and
> Zimbabwe), and South Africa has POPs in about 100 cities and towns.
> However, in some countries the national telecom operators have made
> a special policy to provide local call Internet access across the
> whole country. ... so far only 15 of the 53 countries have adopted
> this strategy - Benin, Burkina Faso, Cap Vert, Ethiopia, Gabon,
> Malawi, Mali, Mauritius, Mauritania, Morocco, Senegal, Tchad, Togo,
> Tunisia, and Zimbabwe.
>
> The total number of computers permanently connected to the Internet
> in Africa (excluding South Africa) finally broke the 10 000 mark at
> the beginning of 1999 and in Jan 2000 it stood at almost 12 000, an
> increase of 20% as measured by Network Wizards. The figure may
> actually be closer to 25 000 to 30 000 due to the measurement
> technique which cannot count hosts which are not referenced in
> domain name servers and those that are registered under the generic
> TLDs - .com, .net, .org. Nevertheless this still means Africa has
> about as many hosts on the Internet as a small Eastern European
> country such as Latvia, which only has a population of 2.5 million
> (compared to the 780m people in Africa's as estimated by Unicef
> 1998, about 13% of the total world population).
>
> The recent opening up of the Nigerian Internet market is beginning
> to change this picture as the telecom regulator has licensed 38
> ISPs to sell services and about 12 are currently active. With a
> fifth of Sub Sahara's population, Nigeria has been one of the
> slumbering giants of the African Internet world which until mid '98
> only had a few dialup email providers and a couple of full ISPs
> operating on very low bandwidth links - few were able to afford the
> $130 000 a year for an international 9.6Kbps leased line. Nitel has
> now established a POP in Lagos with a 2MB link to Global One in the
> US and has put POPs in 4 other cities..
>
> It is difficult to measure actual numbers of Internet users, but
> figures for the number of dialup subscriber accounts to ISPs are
> more readily available, for which it is estimated that there are
> now over 1 000 000 subscribers in Africa. Of these, North Africa is
> responsible for about 200 000 and South Africa for 650 000, leaving
> about 150 000 for the remaining 50 African countries. But each
> computer with an Internet or email connection supports an average
> of three users, a recent study by the UN Economic Commission for
> Africa (ECA) has found. This puts current estimates of the number
> of African Internet users at somewhere around 3 million in total,
> with about 1 million outside of South Africa. This works out at
> about one Internet user for every 250 people, compared to a world
> average of about one user for every 35 people, and a North American
> and European average of about one in every 3 people. ...
>
> There are now about 28 countries with 1000 or more dialup
> subscribers, but only about 11 countries with 5000 or more - Cote
> d'Ivoire, Egypt, Morocco, Kenya, Ghana, Mozambique, Nigeria, South
> Africa, Tunisia, Uganda and Zimbabwe. Clearly a number of countries
> such as those in North Africa and Southern Africa have more highly
> developed economies and better infrastructures which would
> naturally result in larger populations of Internet users. ...
>
> Currently, the average total cost of using a local dialup Internet
> account for 5 hours a month in Africa is about $50/month (usage
> fees, telephone time included, but not telephone line rental).
> Nevertheless ISP charges vary greatly - between $10 and $100 a
> month, largely reflecting the different levels of maturity of the
> markets, the varying tariff policies of the telecom operators, and
> the different national policies on private wireless data services
> and on access to international telecommunications bandwidth.
> According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
> Development, in '97, 20 hours of Internet access in the U.S. cost
> $29, including telephone charges. Although European costs were
> higher ($74 in Germany, $52 in France, $65 in Britain, and $53 in
> Italy) these figures are for 4 times the amount of access, and all
> of these countries have per capita incomes which are at least 10
> times greater than the African average.
>
> Most African capitals now have more than one ISP and in early 2000
> there were about 450 public ISPs across the region (excluding SA,
> where the market has consolidated into 2 major players with 90% of
> the market and 40-50 small players with the remainder). Seven
> countries had 10 or more ISPs - Egypt, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria,
> South Africa, Tanzania and Zimbabwe - while 20 countries had only
> one ISP. Although Ethiopia and Mauritius are the only countries
> where a monopoly ISP is national policy (i.e. where private
> companies are barred from reselling Internet services), there are
> other countries in which this practice still continues,
> predominantly in the Sahel sub-region where markets are small.
>
> In response to the high cost of full Internet based services and
> the slow speed of the web, and also because of the overriding
> importance of electronic mail, lower-cost email-only services have
> been launched by many ISPs and are continuing to attract
> subscribers. Similarly, because of the relatively high cost of
> local electronic mailbox services from African ISPs, a large
> proportion of African email users make use of the free Web-based
> services such as Hotmail, Yahoo or Excite, most of which are in the
> US. These services can be more costly and cumbersome than using
> standard email software, because extra online time is needed to
> maintain the connection to the remote site. But they do provide the
> added advantages of anonymity and perhaps greater perceived
> stability than a local ISP who may not be in business next year.
>
> There is also a rapidly growing interest in kiosks, cybercafes and
> other forms of public Internet access, such as adding PCs to
> community phone-shops, schools, police stations and clinics which
> can share the cost of equipment and access amongst a larger number
> of users. Many existing 'phone shops' are now adding Internet
> access to their services, even in remote towns where it is a
> long-distance call to the nearest dialup access point. In addition
> a growing number of hotels and business centres provide a PC with
> Internet access.
>
> The rapidity with which most African public telecom operators have
> moved into the Internet services market is also noteworthy. In the
> last three years PTOs have brought Internet services on stream in
> 31 countries and similar moves are afoot in three others (Liberia,
> Somalia and Tanzania). ...
>
> In all the countries where the PTO has established the
> international Internet backbone, it is the sole International link
> provider except in Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Mozambique, South Africa
> and Zambia where they compete with private sector international
> links. Usually the PTOs operate the international gateway and
> access to the national backbone, and leave the resale of end-user
> Internet access to the private sector. In a few countries the PTO
> also competes with the private sector in the provision of end-user
> dialup accounts, namely, Cameroun, South Africa and Zambia.
>
> As far as the multinational ISPs are concerned, AfricaOnline
> (http://www.africaonline.com), is the largest operation. The group
> is consolidating its year of growth which saw local branches open
> in Namibia, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda and Zimbabwe, adding to its
> stable in Ghana, Kenya, and Cote d'Ivoire. AfricaOnline has plans
> to open up in additional countries over the coming months. ...
>
> Due to high international tariffs and lack of circuit capacity,
> obtaining sufficient international bandwidth for delivering web
> pages over the Internet is still a major problem in most countries.
> Until recently few of the countries outside of South Africa had
> international Internet links larger than 64Kbps, but today 24
> countries have 512Kps or more, and 15 countries have outgoing links
> of 1Mbps or more - Botswana, Egypt, Ghana, Kenya, Libya,
> Madagascar, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria,
> Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania and Tunisia. Excluding South
> Africa, the total international outgoing Internet bandwidth
> installed in Africa is about 60Mbps. However this means that on
> average about 6 dialup users must share each 1Kbps of international
> bandwidth, making for slow connections to remote sites.
>
> As a result, a growing number of African Internet sites are hosted
> on servers that are in Europe or the U.S. This is especially
> necessary for countries where ISPs operate their own independent
> international links without local interconnections (peering), such
> as in Kenya and Tanzania, which means that traffic between the
> subscribers of two ISPs in the same city must travel to the US or
> Europe and back. This makes it more efficient to host
> outside-country, and is also being encouraged because web hosting
> costs can be very high, while there are even a number of free
> hosting sites in the US and Europe. ...
>
> With the exception of some ISPs in Southern Africa, almost all of
> the international Internet circuits in Africa connect to the USA,
> with a few to the United Kingdom, Italy and France. However,
> Internet Service Providers in countries with borders shared with
> South Africa benefit from the low tariff policies instituted by the
> South African telecom operator for international links to
> neighbouring countries. As a result South Africa acts as a hub for
> some of its neighbouring countries - Lesotho, Namibia, and
> Swaziland.
>
> The major international Internet suppliers are AT&T, BT, Global
> One/Sprint, UUNET/AlterNet, MCI, NSN, BBN, Teleglobe, Verio and
> France Telecom/FCR. A number of other links are provided by
> PanamSat and Intelsat direct to private and PTO groundstations in
> the US and UK, circumventing local PTO infrastructure.
>
> Aside from the South Africa/Lesotho/Swaziland network and a link
> between Mauritius and Madagascar, there are no other regional
> backbones or links between neighbouring countries. The main reason
> for this is that the high international tariffs charged by telecom
> operators discourages Internet Service Providers from establishing
> multiple international links. As a result ISPs are forced to
> consolidate all of their traffic over a single high cost
> international circuit.
>
> Roaming dialup Internet access is now a reality for travellers to
> most African countries courtesy of SITA, the airline co-operative,
> which has by far the largest network in Africa. SITA's commercial
> division, SCITOR (recently renamed Equant), which was formed to
> service the non-airline market, now operates dialup points of
> presence in 40 African countries. Subscribers to Internet service
> providers who are members of IPASS (a group of ISPs, including
> SITA, who share their POPs) can access their home ISPs for about
> $0.22c a minute. See http://www.ipass.com. ...
>
> The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) has now taken
> over administration of Internet IP Address space for Africa (along
> with North America, South America, and the Caribbean). This means
> that address space is no longer free and until a local African
> Registry can be set up, networks will now be required to pay ARIN
> USD$2500 per year to obtain a Class-C address. A proposal for an
> Africa Network Information Centre (NIC) has been discussed for some
> years only now is progress being made, partly because of the lack
> of on-the-ground national networking associations to support it and
> the political difficulties of identifying the appropriate host
> country and organisation to operate it. ...
>
> Evidence gathered by ECA suggests the average level of Internet use
> in Africa is about one incoming and one outgoing email per day,
> averaging 3 to 4 pages, in communications which are most often with
> people outside the continent. Surveys indicated that about 25
> percent of the email is replacing faxes, while 10 percent are
> replacing phone calls and the other 65 percent are communications
> that would not have been made in the absence of an email system.
>
> The highest number of users surveyed belonged to non-government
> organizations (NGOs), private companies and universities. The ratio
> of nationals to non-nationals varied between countries: 44 percent
> of users surveyed in Zambia were nationals as compared to 90
> percent in Ghana. Most users were male: 86 percent in Ethiopia, 83
> percent in Senegal, and 64 percent in Zambia. The large majority of
> users were well educated: 87 percent of users in Zambia and 98
> percent in Ethiopia had a university degree. ...
>
> Email is used for general correspondence and document exchange,
> technical advice, managing projects, arranging meetings, and
> exchanging research ideas, although its use is still limited for
> accessing formal information resources. Across the continent, users
> report that email has increased efficiency and reduced the cost of
> communication but as yet it is used almost exclusively for
> contacting individuals in other regions. The Web is still a
> relatively under-utilised resource, although 40 percent of Zambian
> users questioned had conducted literature searches on the web.
>
> Universities were initially at the vanguard of Internet
> developments in Africa and most of them provide email services,
> however in early 1999 only about 20 countries had universities with
> full Internet connectivity. Because of the limited resources and
> high costs of providing computer facilities and bandwidth, full
> Internet access at the universities where it exists is usually
> restricted to staff. Post graduates are often able to obtain access
> but the general student population usually has no access.
>
> In the area of Internet content development, the African web-space
> is expanding rapidly and almost all countries have some form of
> local or internationally hosted web server, unofficially or
> officially representing the country with varying degrees of
> comprehensiveness. However, there are still generally few
> institutions that are using the Web to deliver significant
> quantities of information. While increasing numbers of
> organisations have a Web site with basic descriptive and contact
> information, many are hosted by international development agency
> sites, and very few actually use the Web for their activities. This
> is partly explained by the limited number of local people that have
> access to the Internet (and thus the limited importance of a web
> presence to the institution), the limited skills available for
> digitising and coding pages, and also by the high costs of local
> web hosting services.
>
> It can be observed that the French speaking countries have a far
> higher profile on the Web and greater institutional connectivity
> than the non-French speaking countries. This is largely due to the
> strong assistance provided by the various Francophone support
> agencies, and the Canadian and French governments, which are
> concerned about the dominance of English on the Internet. ...
>
> Although there are a few notable official general government web
> sites, such as those of Angola, Egypt, Gabon, Mauritius, Morocco,
> Mozambique, Senegal, Togo, Tunisia and Zambia, there is as yet no
> discernible government use of the Internet for existing
> administrative purposes. ...
>
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Habib,
Of course vouchers may help those who want to send their children to small
religious private schools, but what about all those children who will be left
knocking at the doors of some of these very schools where they will probably
be turned down?. That is something no one can legislate, because the attitude
is what lingers, and it can have a devastating effect on children.
Additionally, the vouchers will take funding away from public schools even
though they will still be funded. What they get now is not enough as it is.
The idea here is to find a workable solution for everyone, not just a few
kids.You bet funding public schools is the very issue. These funds that are
proposed for vouchers can be enhanced and put into the underfunded public
schools across this country, especially in the inner city schools. Funding a
school makes all the difference.
On secret evidence, this has already been declared as illegal, and Bush's
addressing of this problem is just as a vote getter, make no mistake about
that. Both of these candidates lost not a beat in answering that they stand
with Israel in this Mid East issue, so what Bush says against secret evidence
is just political bait to catch a few muslim votes. I say if the muslims want
to fight secret evidence and other prejudices, then we better look for some
good lawyers and the constitution because a candidate that will safeguard the
interest of muslims in this country has not been born yet, Ralhp Nader
notwithstanding.
Of course, only the rich become cnadidates in these two major parties, that
is no secret, and this is why, the issue of voting for the lesser of two
evils comes into play. Neither of these parties has addressed fully the
concerns of poor Americans, but one at least has made more of an effort than
the other.
Voting one's conscience is a right and of course you are entitled to it, but
at the same time, let us not give Bush credit that he does not deserve.
The issue here is not to get you or anyone to vote for any particular
candidate. That is a personal choice, but the reality of the matter is that
the third party candidates are spoilers, and pawns in the game, and at best,
just a conscience vote, and that is all.Voting for them does not solve the
problems ingnored by the two mainstream candidates, it just helps one or the
other get in.
Jabou Joh
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SHUKRAN YAA AKHI. Thank you brother habib. Saiks, I said it was close to
Arabic because it was a crude transliteration. The right accents were not
placed on the letters, and the spelling is subjective.
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>Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:50:03 -0700
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>Haruna
>
>It is the phonetic spelling of arabic words Translliteratted into english
>words for those who cannot speakk
>the language (usually said to console the family at at trying times when
>death occurs )
>
>Saiks
>
>It is just like theany scandinavian language written as they sound . I am
>sure you are aware of of commom
>termms like "Yallnal neng feekeh dewen " or "siggilko sa wallah ' etc
>
>How is the baby? my best regards to sister Ndey.
>
>
>habib
>
>Haruna Darbo wrote:
>
> > Hi Saiks, Its close to Arabic.
> >
> > >From: Saikou Samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> > >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:22:20 +0100
> > >
> > >Haruna,
> > >What lanuage is this ?
> > >
> > >For Freedom
> > >Saiks
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 8:50 PM
> > >Subject: Re: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> > >
> > >
> > > > Allahumma latadaalana fi makaamina hathaa thanban illa khafartahu.
> > > > Walaa hamman illa Farrajta.
> > > > Walaa haajattan laka fihaa rithan walanaa fihaa salaahun illa
>khadaitah.
> > > > Wayassirnaa fayassir umuranaa washrah shuduuranaa wanawwir
> > > > kulubana wakhtim bisaalihaati aamaalana.
> > > > Allahumma Ahyiinaa muslimiina watawaffana muslimiina walhiqnaa
> > >bisaalihiina
> > > > khaira kazayaa walaa maftooniina Aameena wabisirril
> > > > Faatiha:...Alhamdulillah rabbil aalamin..........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Sheikh Tejan Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >Subject: OBITUARY ANNOUNCEMENTS
> > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:21:15 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > >1.The Silleh, Bitaye, Faal of Albion Place regret to announce the
>death
> > > > >of Mam Metta silleh of Albion Place. This sad event occurred on
>Friday.
> > > > >Our condolences to Musa Bitaye, Ass Faal <BIG jIM, Amie faal and
>the
> > > > >rest of the extended families . May her soul rest in perfect peace.
> > > > >2. The Bakurin family and the west african exams council regret to
> > > > >announce the death of Simon Bakurin which occured friday. Our
> > > > >condolences to Roger and the rest of the family.
> > > > >3 The Batchily family of Hagen , janneh kunda family of Hagan
>street
> > >and
> > > > >the secka family of Dakar regret to announce the death of Mer Amie
> > > > >Secka Batchilly. This sad event occurred at her residents
>yesterday.
> > >Our
> > > > >condolences to Alh Amara and the rest of the family . May her soul
>rest
> > > > >in peace.
> > > > >
> > > > >Chi Jamma,
> > > > >Bro Sheikh Tejan Nyang
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My sincere condolences at Lang's eternal rest. May God grant his survivors
strength and purpose.
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> I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A)
>commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday
>the 27/10/00.He is survived by a lovely wife Yassin Njie and several
>children .May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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Saiks,
Those who know Ouattara well expects him to play a constructive role in
opposition regardless of the number of seats his party gains in the next
Ivorian Parliament. The Ivorian people's historic role in the transition
from military to civilian rule should be commended and ALL should join them
in their determination and wish for a true and lasting democratic Cote
d'Ivoire. Indications are that the OAU, EU, ECOWAS and perhaps Thabo Mbeki
will soften their earlier position for a re-run of the presidential
elections given the recent rapprochement between the opposing parties.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:16:39 +0100
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>Dear Sidi,
>You are given a very good insight to the whole crisis,I really appreciate
>your comments,they make me see things more and more clear.
>But that only 37% of eligible voters made their way to the polling stations
>is not only an evidence of the underlying problems in the country,this I
>believed you did try to show,but also the problem with parliamentary
>democracy,such problems could be found al l over the world.However,if
>Ouattaras party and the other opposition parties happened to win the
>majority of seats in parliament,until they play a constructive role in
>parliament, the problem s of the country might not be solved,we will
>instead
>have a new problem.
>That Gbagbo was in the leadership of the pro-Democratic movement(in the
>90s)
>and Ouattara a Pm should not be underestimated.That he was fighting against
>corruption etc,whiles the old man remains in power with all the life style
>he is known to have and his dictatorial tendency says a lot about Ouattaras
>determination to have a different Ivory Coast.If you could remember in own
>country,when corruption was almost out of control under the PPP regime,Fafa
>Mbye was brought in to deal with the situation,such political tactics are
>only meant to entertain public out cry or to give the head of State the
>possibility for using a divide and rule tactic in internal party
>conflicts.I
>hope the international will follow the example of the Ivorian opposition
>leaders and congratulate Gbogbo for his victory.
>
>Let us wish the Ivorians good luck,they have sacrificed a lot to reach this
>stage.
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
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>From: Sidi M Sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
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>
>
> > Dear Saiks,
> >
> > As to so many who have written both publicly and privately, I say thanks
>for
> > your concern about the safety of all of us here in Cote d'Ivoire. On the
> > issues you raised in you posting, I have the following comments to make:
> >
> > The reasons behind Ouattara's demand for fresh elections was based on
>the
> > fact that he, together with the PDCI candidates were declared ineligible
>for
> > various reasons. As you know, in the case of Ouattara, it was for the
> > reason that his mother was not Ivorian when the Constitution calls for
>both
> > parents being Ivorians. Ouattara bitterly contests this. As a result
>of
> > his being barred to run, he urged his supporters to boycott the
>presidential
> > elections. PDCI also boycotted the elections because all their nominees
> > were also declared ineligible by the Constitutional Court. The RDR and
>PDCI
> > are the two biggest political parties as confirmed in the total number
>of
> > eligible votes cast on election day; i.e 37.4 per cent. 62.6 per cent
>of
> > all eligible voters did not vote, presumable because they were either
>RDR
>or
> > PDCI. Included in this figure are those who would not have voted even
>if
> > both Ouattara and the PDCI candidate were on the ballot. The general
> > feeling, however, is that the majority that stay away were RDR and PDCI
> > supporters. Some of Gbagbo's votes were protest votes against Guei.
>They
> > would rather see a civilian with political experience elected than Guei
> > retained. These protests votes may have been a combination of Ouattara
>and
> > Bedie supporters who are still licking their wounds after being
>overthrown
> > by Guei. Whether they voted for him with the expectation of a call for
>fresh
> > election is uncertain. But my view is to the contrary because Ivorians
>are
> > not that politically naive to believe that Gbagbo, who has been in the
> > political wilderness for over two decades, will call for fresh elections
> > after winning; a re-run which he is not certain to win.
> >
> > I am of a different opinion as it concerns the democratic credentials of
> > Ouattara. True, he was the hand-picked PM of Houphoueh-Boigny but his
> > record during his tenure shows him to be an incorruptible man and an
> > efficient manager. He fought corruption from the top down which is one
>of
> > his problems dogging him to this day because those big guns of the PDCI
>from
> > whom he demanded accountability are still around. Anyway, let us give
> > Gbagbo a chance to display his democratic credentials and leadership
> > qualities.
> >
> > Initially, Ouattara demanded a re-run but after meeting Gbagbo he has
> > indicated his willingness to proceed with the legislative elections in
> > December which observers believe he will win with a majority. Should he
> > control the legislature, Gbagbo would find it difficult to govern
>without
>a
> > coalition and/or a compromise acceptable to the opposition. Ouattara is
>no
> > longer insisting on a fresh election at this point. Come December, the
>story
> > could be different altogether.
> >
> > On a personal note, my regards to Ndey and the little one.
> >
> > Sidi Sanneh
> >
> >
> > >From: Saikou Samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: FWD: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S GUEI
> > >Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:47:55 +0100
> > >
> > >Dear Sidi,
> > >I hope you and the Family are doing fine and far away from the
>troubles.
> > >However I have been following the debate here and it seems that the
>general
> > >line is that a new elections should be called for.This perhaps might be
>a
> > >way out of the present crisis,since all what the other opposition party
>is
> > >calling for is a new elections.But I have my doubts as why all these
> > >troubles now.Did the Ivorians voted for Gbagbo because they did not
>have
>a
> > >better favourite ?or did they vote for him expecting that he will call
>for
> > >new election after vining victory ?
> > >Ouattara has always been the favourite of the west,this is because of
>his
> > >political background.He has never question the politics of the West in
>the
> > >continent.And the fact that his participation in the former
>undemocratic
> > >and
> > >dictatorial government of Felex Houphouet Boigny is an indication that
>his
> > >sense of democracy is limited.Remember that when Gbagbo was a political
> > >victim,during the Pro-Democratic unrest,Ouattara was a man of power.The
> > >bitter relationship between the two must not be reduced to the
>unfortunate
> > >statement of Gagbo that he ,Ouattara ,is not an Ivorian.
> > >The pressure that is put on Gbagbo is very unfortunate,why,because this
>is
> > >a
> > >very opportune time for Ivorians to get the records straight,they came
>out
> > >in the streets in their thousands to defend their victory ,and if
>Ouattara
> > >,instead of helping to advance this victory,called upon his supporters
>to
> > >come out and demand for new elections is without doubt very
>unfortunate.If
> > >the same pressure have been put on Guei,before the elections,perhaps
>the
> > >story will be different.That the OAU,instead of looking at the problem
> > >from
> > >a very different angle to find a solution to the problem,decides to
>echoed
> > >the hypocritical demand of the West,is without doubt very
>unfortunate.In
>my
> > >opinion,Ouattara should either join the National Reconciliation
>Government
> > >or continue his opposition activities,whiles waiting for the next
>election.
> > >
> > >For Freedom
> > >Saiks
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Sidi Sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:05 PM
> > >Subject: Re: FWD: "POWER-HUNGRY" WIFE THE RUIN OF IVORY COAST'S GUEI
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bro. Habib,
> > > >
> > > > Your concern about further lives being lost in the current crisis is
>not
> > > > only real but justified given the outcome of today's meeting between
> > >Gbagbo
> > > > and Ouattara at the private residence of the former. Despite the two
> > > > embrassing before and after their brief meeting and Ouattara's
>reference
> > >to
> > > > "President Gbagbo" (inplying recognision), the deep seated rivalry
> > >between
> > > > the two still remains. The fact that Ouattara's main priority, even
> > >after
> > > > meeting Gbagbo, is "to mourn the dead and to bury his dead
>supporters"
> > >and
> > > > not to join the new government says it all. In my view, to avert
>further
> > > > bloodshed, the fundamental issue of legitimacy must be addressed and
>one
> > >of
> > > > the options available
> > > > to Ivorian politicians is your suggestion i.e. for a
> > > > re-run of the presidential elections in line with the US, OAU,
>ECOWAS
> > >and
> > > > countries such as South Africa. To gloss over the difficult and
> > >sensitive
> > > > issue of legitimacy, in my view, would prove disastrous in the long
>run.
> > > > Little wonder Koffi Annan, after his Rwanda experience, is taking a
> > >clear
> > > > and unequivocal stance on this one.
> > > >
> > > > Sidi Sanneh
> > > >
> > > >
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Bro. Habib,
The history of American third parties have been a checkered one. Correct me
if I am wrong but I think that the Reform Party under Ross Perrot gained the
highest number of votes more than any other third party in the history of
the republic, which they managed to squander in the ensuing presidential
elections over ideological squabbles which, in my opinion, were beyond the
comprehension of the average American voter. Another third party that will
come as close as the Reform Party in forming a solid electoral base is not
in my radar screen. The two party system has the deck stacked in such a way
as to prevent the creation of a thriving third party.
Bro. Habib, tell Hania, Amira, Tamsir and Bye-Abbie that they are partial
judges. Hania and Amira are my sisters, and By-Abbie my "Gorro", Tamsir
was a classmate, a friend and a neighbour. So where is the impartiality?
Speaking of politics, I have been so inspired by Councilman Bakary Simon
Bojang's success story that I have decided to reclaim my green card from the
Milwaukee INS (is it still called that?) and return to Mad City, Wisconsin
and run for City Council with Mini as campaign manager and Katim my media
man and spin doctor. The baby boomers in Williamson Street should still
remember me. If both are "listening", consider this note as your appointment
letters and get cracking while I sort out my papers.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:15:12 -0800
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>Sidi Sanneh,
>Any consensus? Bro. Habib is for Ralph Nader. You appear to be undecided
>but
>I can see Gore written all over your face. My prognosis is that the
>death of
>the Missouri's Carnahan democratic candidate for the Senate seat may
>have
>just delivered Missouri to Bush. Missouri together with Wisconsin,
>Ohio,
>Illinois and Michigan (despite the union votes) going to the Bush column
>will
>produce a Republican victory. I am prepared to eat my words come
>November 7
>in the event of a miraculous Gore victory in which case don't call me
>Nov.,
>I will call you.
>
>Sidi Sanneh
>
>
>Brother Sidi , you are so right . I am upset at Gore but support the
>Clintons 100%
>This dilemma is what I am faced with. .
>Maybe if Gore makes a statement regarding blatant atrocities publicly
>and stop blaming one side (the muslims) I will go back to my democratic
>party nominee.
>BOTH sides are wrong in the conflict but to blame only one side is
>morally wrong
>
>What do you think of an independent strong third party also ?
>
>My sisters Hania & Amira and their husbands talk highly of you . Maybe
>you should come back and save the Gambia . I will support the idea of a
>President Sidi Sanneh
>in the Gambia ( laugh)
>
>Best regards
>Habib
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DITTO!!Ginny. Ethnic strife and hatred predated religion. So, the basic
reason for enslavement-use a lesser human to subsidize your absolute
comfort-still remains. Pre-religion and law, it was achieved by war.
Religion now seems more politically correct and less costly in terms of
lives lost.
Cheers!!
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>Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:45:13 -0500
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>Hello, I have heard of Samuel Cotton before. A couple of years ago, he was
>on a talk show, but I can't remember which one it was. It was really late
>at night, and I was trying to go to sleep anyway.
>It is unfortunate taht according to the summary of the book, religion is
>used as a way of enslaving black Africans. Especially since, from what I
>have read, the Qur'an clearly states that all people are equal. Thus it is
>unfortunate that people would use Islam to justify the continued practice
>of slavery. However, on second thought, in America, Christianity was also
>used in this way.
> It just seems to me that a minority of people are trying to justify
>their continued oppression of a majority of people by any way they can.
>Ginny
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fatou sowe
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:15 PM
> Subject: SILENT TERROR- SLAVERY IN MAURITANIA
>
>
> Silent Terror: A Journey into Contemporary African Slavery by
>Samuel Cotton
>
> $15.95 ISBN 0-86316-259-2, 240pp, 6 x 9
>
> Published by Writers and Readers Publishing, Harlem River Press
>
> Orders will deliver within 10-14 days.
>
>
>
>
>
> SILENT TERROR is the disturbing story of a black American's
>journey into the horrors of modern-day slavery in Africa. The author's
>odyssey takes him from New York to the Islamic Republic of Mauritania,
>where he comes face to face with the Arab-Berbers' centuries-old practice
>of enslaving black Africans. Samuel Cotton's research exposes this heinous
>practice while documenting and analyzing the hatred that the Arab minority
>holds for blacks, both slave and free, in a country where everyone is
>Muslim.
>
> Cotton takes the reader into the life of oppressed Africans and
>provides critical insights into the use of religion and language to
>successfully enslave blacks. He also shows the process by which Arab
>masters produce docile slaves. The narratives he recorded from those who
>escaped reveal the capacity for hope and courage. Interviews with former
>slaves who have become abolitionist leaders show the path from bondage to
>freedom and offer the hope that this grim practice will one day be a relic
>of the past. Silent Terror examines why African nations have been silent on
>this subject and the role that neocolonialism plays in continuing an
>unspeakable practice.
>
> This book is also a personal narrative. The author shares the
>impact of coming to grips with his African past and identity and his
>internal and external struggles to bring the issue of slavery to the
>American public. He sheds light on the growth of a modern-day abolitionist
>movement aimed at destroying the remaining strongholds of slavery and
>details the difficulty of getting the Black Muslim community to confront
>the idea of slavery in the Islamic world and to get black people in general
>to deal with this painful reality.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:06:46 GMT
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Yus, I'm a bit dissapointed in your characterization of GORE as a
pathological liar. You probably have hung around cowboys one too many times.
I had the misfortune of knowing Texans during my stint as a petroleum
engineer. Texans' seem to want to accelerate their penchant to secede from
the Union by dominating Federal politics. Beware!
As far as Al Gore's intimation that he invented the internet, if you were to
go back to the original articles that seemed to lend credence to this rumor,
Al meant that he was instrumental in the expansion of the internet and
thanks to him, you and I are talking to each other a little sooner than
would have been the case were Al as repressive as the Texas Oil barons. This
is where capacity to process information becomes critical. If I were in a
comma and someone told me that Al said he invented the internet, I would
have enough deductive reasoning left to know that it was either an honest
mistake or a satirical response to the questioner. Don't underestimate the
enormity of Dubya's forces. What I admire about Al, is his steadfastness and
unyielding character under enormous assault from a formidable opponent. Have
you forgotten about the enormous profits posted by the oil companies?-I
suppose you think that's a coincidence of supply and demand economics.
The reason I said I was dissappointed was because you are a man of reason
and you still are. But don't let your Naderite leaning cloud your judgement.
I like Nader too. However, It will be easier to achieve Nader's goals
through Al than Dubya. Think about it.
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>Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:51:05 EDT
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>Amie:
>Thanks for your comments. To be honest, I really don't care too much for
>either candidate. The "Republicrats" (Democrats and Republicans) will
>always
>run America the same way they always have.
>
>Al Gore has been caught in blatant lies one too many times. His claims to
>have invented the Internet border on the actions of a pathological liar.
>He
>seems to have learned that behavior well from his boss. Then there is the
>issue of the fuzzy math and all with his explanantions of tax cuts etc.
>
>George, on the other hand, is too "Texas" in my opinion. I live in the
>South
>West and I've hung out with Tequila guzzling Texan cowboys from El Paso and
>such. Don't mistake me, I don't mind these type of people but their
>opinions
>surely do not jive with mine. "Just a difference in opinion" as George
>"Dubya" puts it.
>
>According to the numbers, George is a few % points ahead of Al. The
>Northeast states tend to have strong democratic support. But once you
>leave
>that area and move a bit further West and South, the opinions tend to
>change
>a bit in favor of the GOP.
>
>Maybe the minority (African American and Hispanic) and women voters will
>swing the balance in AL Gore's favor come election day.
>
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Rene, I commend you for your ability to portray the life of this imaginary
village as vividly as you have. What is stopping you from visiting and
reseaching authenticity for your book? you may respond to me at
[log in to unmask] I would like to be able to help.
Remember though that if your work is under fiction, you need not
authenticate it. For true drama, all you'd probably need would be a literary
correspondent from a similar village in Gambia.
cheers!!
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> Thanks Awa. These excerpts are part of a 250 page manuscript. I feel much
>should be done about the story itself, in terms of developing the
>characters,
>the places, and being more familiar with the issues under consideration. It
>is necessary, in this respect, to visit the places I want to write about,
>or
>at least should be the basis of what I want to write about. Since the
>setting
>of the story is about this imaginary Gambian village, it is necessary to be
>in the Gambia for a while to work on this as a project. These are the
>contraints. Trying to convey images which could have been better treated
>had
>it been that you were there physically to conduct the research, make the
>observations, interviews, and visit places that can best project what you
>want to write. This is the work that needs to be done. It may take time,
>but
>hopefully it would be done. I have been sitting on this for three years.
>Meanwhile, I will share the skeleton of what I have now. Again, these
>excerpts are randomly selected.
>
> *
>
>
> The aircraft, a metallic bird with outstretched silvery wings, glided
>lazily on the wet tarmac, and came to a grinding halt. The landing stairs,
>unfolded slowly, effortlessly, a mildly, creaky, shaky, railed metal
>stairwell that anchored steadfastly on the ground. The hordes of passengers
>tiredly descended from the aircraft; they were weary, exuberant, impatient
>and acutely restless. They walked hurriedly, briskly, the short distance
>into
>the airport terminal.
>
> Samba followed deligently, excitedly, the rest of the passengers, who
>eagerly formed a long line behind the immigration desk at the International
>Arrival lounge. The passengers glowing faces, like embers in a dying fire,
>masked a burning hunger for all the glittering spectacles that lurked
>enticingly beyond the airport. A big eye-catching sign artfully designed,
>emblazoned the words: Welcome To New York.
>
> Samba was now thirty years old. He was tall and of medium built. He
>weighed less than a 150 lbs. He had a bronze colored skin. His hair was
>black, soft and curly; his eyes small, joyous, with a thin line of
>eyelashes.
>His nose a little pointed, he had a round-shaped mouth with one of the
>front
>teeth jutted out. He had sunken cheeks; nonetheless, he appeared quite
>handsome in his new navy blue suit.
>
> "Passport please," the burly immigration officer requested.
>
> Samba for a moment appeared visibly startled from his reverie. It was
>now
>his turn at the long queue. He timidly handed over his passport. He
>remembered scornfully, joylessly, a friend whom immigration officers had
>heartlessly returned home with the next available flight. His friend had
>acceptance from a school, an I-20, but made the cruel mistake of arriving
>three weeks after schools had already opened for the Fall. Samba saw his
>friend wear the cloak of melancholy as they returned him home; a boisterous
>send-off party held few hours earlier on his behalf.
>
> "Next...," the immigration officer scoffed.
>
> Samba's relieved was profound. The fear that cuddled in his chest,
>pounding nervously with an irate fist, in that brief encounter, suddenly
>fizzled out like a punctured ballon. He had made it. He gave a long sigh of
>relief. His travel bag hung loosely on his shoulder, he strode with ease
>into
>the welcoming lounge. He did not expect anyone to welcome him. When he
>called
>Sainey Touray, the person who would be accommodating him in New York prior
>to
>his departure, there was no indication that someone would pick him up from
>the airport.
>
> There were throngs of people in the welcoming lounge. Some were
>holding
>big signs with the names of the people they had come to pick scribbled
>neatly
>with colored markers. They raised their signs high above their heads.
>Others
>scrutinized gleefully, like dissected frogs in a science lab, the stern and
>tired faces that emerged from the arrival lounge.
>
> Samba had never met Sainey Touray before. He had been to Banjul only
>twice, for the almost twenty years he had been living in New York city. A
>friend who had arranged for him to stay at his place, introduced them over
>the phone. He unreservedly gave Samba his address at the Bronx, and told
>him
>gently how to get there.
>
> Samba suddenly felt hounded, like a bunch of stray dogs, by different
>people who naggingly asked whether he needed a taxi. Some of those who had
>approached him had features that were peculiarly Gambian or Senegalese.
>They
>might have known that he was a Gambian. They came up to him warmly and
>said:
>
> "Njama ngam"
>
> "Njama rek," he replied
>
> "Do you know Sainey Touray? The marabout who lives in the Bronx," he
>asked.
>
> "I know him very well. Are you going to his house? I can take you
>there,"
>one of the persons answered quickly. He had lips so full like a chunk of
>roasted beef.
>
> They were now squabbling among themselves as to who should take Samba.
>It
>happened that Sainey Touray was a prominent figure in the Gambian immigrant
>community in New York, and was also strongly regarded as a spiritual and
>cultural leader. His standing and moral authority, however, went far beyond
>the Gambian immigrant community; he was a renowned marabout.
>
> "Look! I can take you there. The person you are going to is my
>uncle,"
>the person with the big lips said in mild irritation.
>
> "Well! Let's go then," Samba said feeling tired now.
>
> He sat comfortably on the back of the old Lincoln Continental, and
>watched curiously outside as the driver navigated expertly the maze of
>turns
>and circles, to get out of the airport and into the highway. He couldn't
>take
>his eyes from the window, turning his head to the right and to the left, as
>he greedily indulged in the spectacle before him. The driver was now plying
>across a long bridge; he then came to a toll booth. He lowered his door
>window, dangled his left hand outside and paid the toll booth attendant a
>fee.
>
> "That bridge we just passed is the Whitestone Bridge. Amazing! Is it
>not?" the driver asked.
>
> "It is more than amazing, I guess. Right now, I am dazzled with all I
>am
>seeing," Samba repled.
>
> The whole city was aflame, the lights so dazzling, like a myraid of
>firballs in the sky. Beyond, gaping defiantly towards the clouds, the tall
>buildings, the towering buildings, stood impressively everywhere, the
>wonders
>of modern architecture that mockingly defied the limits of the sky. The
>expansive highways, running parallel over and under, across bridges and
>into
>tunnels, invoked a marvelous spectacle that jolted one's imagination.
>
> The taxi driver pressed hard on the accelerator zooming passed the
>scenic
>skyline that Samba found so tantalizing. The night was wickedly cold, and
>the
>wintry wind coldly caressed his face when mistakenly he rolled down his
>door
>window.
>
> The taxi driver was now in the Bronx, and came to street where a group
>of
>other taxi drivers, with leather gloves and heavy jackets, gathered in
>front
>of a Convenient store chattering mildly.
>
> "How are you doing guys," he greeted them enthusiastically. "I have a
>newly arrived Gambian pasenger."
>
> They were all from the same ethnic group, and spoke in their language.
>Most of them have day jobs. They worked very hard in restaurants, sweat
>shops, merchandize factories, gas stations etc, and worked at night also as
>taxi drivers. A very industrious ethnic group. Well noted, they laboriously
>toiled, basking under the burning Sun, the diamond mines in Freetown and
>Zaire. They possessed in-depth business acumen, the basis of their
>survival,
>demonstrated with remarkable wit and zeal.
>
> Except for few other people who dared to brace the biting cold, the
>streets deserted wholly. Finally, they came to a very tall brownish
>building,
>or so it appeared in the dark. The contours of the building against the
>sparsely lighted street conjured an image of a menacing monster. They got
>out
>of the car and walked slowly towards the building. A security guard,
>dressed
>in layers of clothing like a corn, approached them and asked spitefully:
>
> "What do you want?"
>
> "We are going to the eighteenth floor, apartment 36," the driver
>replied.
>
> "You have to use the intercom for them to open the door," the security
>guard mouthed.
>
> He sluggishly walked back to his metal desk, and resumed looking
>excitedly at his adult magazine. The driver buzzed the apartment, and a
>sleepy voice asked in a croak sound:
>
> "Who is that?"
>
> "It is me. I have a visitor for Sainey," the driver responded in
>their
>language.
>
> They door opened, and they walked into the lobby of the building. The
>driver pressed the button for the elevator, and Samba heard distinctly the
>squeaking noise the elevator made as it descended. It was an aged elevator.
>
> He led Samba quietly to apartment 36. He knocked gently the door, and
>the
>same sleepy voice answered from within. After they waited for a few minutes
>the door opened and he herded Samba inside.
>
> What Samba saw when he walked into the apartment gave him a jolt.
>There
>were about six people sleeping in the living room. Some slept on the
>couches,
>and the others on the floor. The driver exchanged a few words with the
>sleepy
>person and left.
>
> "Enjoy your stay," he said to Samba. He shook his hand affectionately.
>
> Samba sat on one of the vacant couches. The sleepy person said to him
>in
>broken English:
>
> "You can lie down and make yourself comfortable." He put out the
>light,
>and the next minute Samba heard him snoring loudly like a braying donkey.
>
> Samba sat in the darkness, and was momentarily lost in his thoughts.
>He
>closed his eyes tightly, and was taken through a cloud of distance, back to
>his compound in Christekunda. He sauntered idly into his bedroom, and
>sprawled cozily in his neatly made bed. He slowly, painstakingly opened his
>two eyes, and frieghteningly greeted eerie darkness, except for the
>snoring,
>heavy breathing and audible sounds coming from the sleeping persons.
>
> "Everything would be alright in the morning," he muttered to himself.
>
> He removed his shoes slowly, and crouched fittingly into the small
>couch
>in his clothes. He covered himself with a thin piece of cloth that he found
>lying on the floor. The house was warm with the temperature at least sixty
>or
>so degrees. He couldn't sleep for the rest of the night or morning, and
>twist
>and turn in the small couch until daylight broke.
>
> The activity in the apartment when the Sun began to peep in was
>bewildering. With the number of people sleeping in this three bedroom
>apartment, they took turns to use the only bathroom downstairs. Those who
>slept in the living room did not wait to use the bathroom downstairs. They
>went into the kitchen, and one after the other washed themselves up
>temporarily.
>
> They would put one leg in the kitchen sink and washed it up to the
>knee.
>They would then remove that leg and put in the other one doing the same
>thing. They would washed one hand to the elbow and then the other. They
>washed their faces three times, and used their fourth fingers as a
>tootbrush
>to clean their teeth and mouths. Finally, they rinsed their mouths and
>spewed the water splattering into the sink....
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Momodou Alieu Darboe
My sincire condolences .May his soul rest in peace.
For Freedom
Saiks
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> Modou Alieu,
> Our sincere condolences to you and the rest of the family. May Allah (SWT)
> grant your brother a place in his Jannah, and may he provide comfort to
those
> he has left behind, and may he make it easy for those who will take care
of
> them. Ameen.
>
> Jabou Joh
>
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> << I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A)
> commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday
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children
> .May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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Habib,
Yes, I thought this was intriguing, to say the least...I hope it is not
illegal in some way. May the best candidate win. Ylva
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, USA Halal Chamber of Commerce wrote:
> Thanks Ylva
> I will consider these options. I did not know about.-first I must verify the validity. Thanks again
> Habib
>
> Ylva Hernlund wrote:
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:17:13 -0700
> > From: Harriet M. Phinney <[log in to unmask]>
> > Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > To: Anthropology Graduate Students <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Nader/vote swapping
> >
> > > Hey there,
> > > For all of you who want to support Nader but are horrified at the idea
> > > of Bush being elected president (far more than Gore), here is a possible
> > > solution. Check out the article below and the web site - it will hook you
> > up
> > > with voters in states where Gore has no chance. They will vote Nader for
> > you
> > > (helping make sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to
> > > qualify the 2004 Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding)
> > and
> > > you vote for Gore here in Washington State - so it isn't lost to Bush.
> > Then
> > > next time hopefully we can do better than Bush and Gore....
> > > .........
> > > - http://slate.msn.com/Concept/00-10-24/Concept.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > high concept
> > > > > > Nader's Traders
> > > > > > How to save Al Gore's bacon by swapping votes on the Internet.
> > > > > > By Jamin Raskin
> > > > > > Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. PT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to the Washington Post and the Al Gore campaign, the
> > > > > presidential race is now so close that a strong showing by Ralph Nader
> > > in
> > > > 10
> > > > > swing states could help give George W. Bush the 270 Electoral College
> > > > votes
> > > > > he needs to win. This leaves hundreds of thousands of progressive
> > Nader
> > > > > supporters in swing states such as Maine, Michigan, Oregon,
> > Washington,
> > > > and
> > > > > New Mexico with a dilemma: Should they vote their hearts for Ralph and
> > > > make
> > > > > sure he gets the 5 percent of the popular vote needed to qualify the
> > > 2004
> > > > > Green Party presidential candidate for federal funding? Or should they
> > > > vote
> > > > > strategically for Al to stop George?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of frustrated Gore voters trapped
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > Republican-controlled states of Texas, Louisiana, Virginia, Utah, and
> > > > Alaska
> > > > > face a quandary of their own. Bush holds such a commanding lead in
> > these
> > > > > places that even if Gore supporters cast their ballots for their man,
> > he
> > > > > won't win any of those states. These are truly wasted votes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But wait! There is a way for Gore voters trapped in Republican
> > states
> > > to
> > > > > liberate Nader supporters in the tossup states to vote for Gore
> > without
> > > > > actually abandoning their support for Nader and a strong Green Party
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > future. The key is a variation on a voting device used in the Senate
> > > > called
> > > > > "pairing," whereby senators on opposite sides of issues match up their
> > > > votes
> > > > > if they are going to be away from Washington. (This arrangement is so
> > > > formal
> > > > > that when the Congressional Record reports the ayes and nays on a
> > vote,
> > > it
> > > > > reflects the pairs by name.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Gore/Nader vote-swapping plan could use a Web site to pair
> > > > individual
> > > > > Gore Democrats in Republican states with individual Nader supporters
> > in
> > > > > swing states. Democrats from Texas and other states in the definite
> > Bush
> > > > > column could register at the site by name under a brief text stating
> > > that,
> > > > > as Gore supporters in a Republican state, they have concluded that
> > their
> > > > > best hope for contributing to a Gore victory is to vote for Nader in
> > the
> > > > > explicit hope that Nader voters in swing states will correspondingly
> > > cast
> > > > > their ballots for Gore. Nader supporters in the swing states could add
> > > > their
> > > > > names to a similar list under a brief text stating that, as Nader
> > > > supporters
> > > > > in a tossup state, they have decided to vote for Gore but do so in the
> > > > > explicit hope that Gore voters in Republican states will
> > correspondingly
> > > > > cast their ballots for Nader. Using sorting software, the Web site
> > could
> > > > > then match individual Gore voters to individual Nader voters. If just
> > > > > 100,000 Gore supporters and 100,000 Nader supporters in the key states
> > > > > registered and kept their words, both a Gore victory and federal
> > funding
> > > > for
> > > > > the Greens could be accomplished.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This plan is not for everyone. Some people regard voting as
> > primarily
> > > > > moral and expressive-not political and strategic-behavior, and they
> > will
> > > > > recoil at the thought of ever pulling the lever for someone who is not
> > > > their
> > > > > first-choice candidate. I cannot convince them. This is a plan for
> > > people
> > > > > who regard voting as essentially strategic behavior that requires us
> > to
> > > > > focus on real-world political outcomes and meanings. But if it is
> > > immoral
> > > > to
> > > > > vote strategically, the campaigns should stop trying to convince
> > > > > people-Nader voters, most prominently-to change their votes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Others might suggest that the plan won't work because it is based on
> > > the
> > > > > honor system, and all citizens will have an incentive to break their
> > own
> > > > > promises. I do not share this rather grim evaluation of human nature.
> > At
> > > > any
> > > > > rate, I would suppose that the tendency and proclivity to lie are
> > > constant
> > > > > features proportionately distributed across members of different
> > > political
> > > > > parties. Besides, the logic of vote-swapping is so appealing that it
> > > might
> > > > > encourage some Gore and Nader voters to spontaneously cast their
> > ballots
> > > > for
> > > > > the other guy without registering at the Web site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally, it might be argued that there is something irresponsible
> > > about
> > > > > this kind of massive vote-trading. The point is off-base. It is the
> > > > highest
> > > > > form of democratic politics to consult your fellow citizens about
> > > > electoral
> > > > > choices. We are obviously not talking about any kind of binding,
> > > > enforceable
> > > > > contract here. Although state laws prohibit the selling of votes, this
> > > > would
> > > > > surely not count as vote-selling. Since no one is bound by their
> > > > statements,
> > > > > it would not even amount to vote-trading, which is itself a perfectly
> > > > > permissible and ordinary activity. Indeed, vote-trading is the essence
> > > of
> > > > > legislative logrolling in Washington: You vote yes on my highway bill,
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > will vote yes on your tax bill. We compromise to arrive at mutually
> > > > workable
> > > > > solutions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The choices we are forced to make in presidential elections reflect
> > > the
> > > > > peculiarities of the Electoral College system. In this election, the
> > > > > indecision experienced by Nader Democrats and Greens in tossup states
> > is
> > > > > only matched by the impotent frustration of Gore Democrats in states
> > > where
> > > > > the Gore campaign has essentially pulled up stakes and surrendered to
> > > > Bush.
> > > > > I say they should join forces through the Internet and become
> > professors
> > > > of
> > > > > the Electoral College rather than dropouts from it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > ___
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Good choice, Brother Habbib. Atleast you'll be voting your conscience,
instead of continuing with the two of worst evils..go for the best, NADER.
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O.B Sillah:
Thanks for the comments. By the way, how is life in Ohio? Don't tell me that
it is as boring as England (laugh). Anyway, Ohio seemed a nice place to me
when I visited it in 1995. We were taken to the Jeep factory in Toledo (for
a tour) where interestingly, we met so many Croats and Serbs working
together in a very friendly atmosphere. We saw lots of grassroots unions and
multicultural movements in Toledo.
We were also taken to the Bowling Green State University and the NorthWest
Ohio Centre for Labour Management. I did observe at the time that Toledo was
a city which had about 44 co-existing ethnic groups. It is also city with a
strong tradition of unionization.
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>Coach,
>
>We wish you all the best in your higher educational pursuit. You have
>shown
>that with hard work and perseverance, the sky is the limit for individual
>education and over all development.
>
>God bless us all.
>OB
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My sincere condolences to the whole family.May his soul rest in perfect peace.Aameen!
Elhajj.
Momodou-Alieu Darboe skrev:
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> I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A) commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday the 27/10/00.He is survived by a lovely wife Yassin Njie and several children .May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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Momodou and the entire family,
Yalna kor yalla haral yoni argana. May his soul rest in peace.
Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang..
Momodou-Alieu Darboe wrote:
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> I am sad to announce the death of my elder brother Lang Darboe (A) commonly called SAROO from Kiang Dumbuto residing at New Jeswang on Friday the 27/10/00.He is survived by a lovely wife Yassin Njie and several children .May his soul rest in perfect peace Amen .
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To be frank with you I stand on no side. I just fear for the lives of the
innocent and the poor children who will be left orphans. It sounds to me as
if I have to take side in order to make my point of view, can't one be
neutral?
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>Poor Aisha, keep staying on the sideline, watching/keeping silent [once in
>a
>while throwing accusatory jabs at G-Lers] as Gambia goes down the tube. In
>every society, there are those, who sit idly by and watch things happen;
>there are the rhetorical-reactionary [bloodsucker] lot, who wants to ruin
>everything in sight, good or bad; then there's the true realistic
>organizer/symphatizer [hundreds of them on the L] who see's Africa and
>Gambia
>in a holistic sphere. Gambians deserve better than Yahya Jammeh and his
>cronies. To be blunt could you tell us specifically, where you stand on
>this
>debate on military dogma and rulers in Gambia or Africa, you choose?
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I decided to change the title of this poem from "Mosquitoes"
to "Malaria" Please replace it, and discard the "Misquitoes"
Version.
Thanks
Dawda Jallow
MALARIA
Malaria syndrome and how lethal
Which is beyond my pocket.
Really I could have chosen
The lesser cost to prevent
This disease, malaria-phobia.
Is easy if my streets are
Cleaned up routinely.
No "mbalit" in the open
Streets, or "kerr" no
Water settlements
For breeds, "pah"un
Sanitized, uncovered.
No loopholes for the mosquitoes
Or hideouts. Is easy, is important,
Is life, mosquitoes! But is "salteh"
Problem, too, mosquitoes support.
"Set-settal" mosquitoes opposition.
My people are poor, my people
Have no standard healthcare,
My people, yet under parasitism.
Lets control the mosquitoes
City take-over.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
Translation: Wollof/Oolof words as used in the context.
Note, not exact meanings.
"mbalit" trash
"kerr" compound/yard
"pah/paax" gutter
"salteh" unhygiened
"set-settal" clean and clean up
Dawda Jallow 2000.
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I'm no angel but rather sick and tired of seeing all that is going on in
Africa, caused by those who are fighting for democracy without really
thinking about the real way round to achieve it. Intellectuals might believe
that they are the real rulers of Africa but all they've come up with is
misery. Nobody can save Gambia through G/L, if you really want to save
Gambia you have to be there. I do not think of this place as a place that
can bring some type of save heaven for the Gambia but rather a place to
discuss matters. Have you ever stop to think about the rapid population
decrease occurring in Africa most commonly caused by war, famine, disease
just to mention a few. What I'm trying to say here is violence is not the
way to democracy.
/Aisha
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>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:06:32 +0100
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>Aisah,
>This your "Congo"man could really enjoy Africa,it is much more to say that
>he did not want to leave the comfort of Europe.Yes you have been monitoring
>the G/l and all you have been reading is a cry for unrest in the
>Gambia,are you Angel Aisha-come save Gambia through G/L,welcome Angel.But
>as
>you know it was not the people in the G/L who were responsible for April
>10,this event was as a result of the fascist rule in our country,you did
>not
>even read here to know what some of the contributors in this forum have
>been
>doing to help the victims of April 10th or it does not interest you ?check
>the mails from sisters Sigga and do you your calculations again,we better
>talk now before it is too late,before another April 10,before another
>Congo.How can people just demand that we should be passive onlookers to the
>detonating condition in our dear land?Do you need to use your energy to
>call
>on us for peace ?are we the people shooting at defenceless students ? are
>we
>detaining people for months without given them the chance to let their case
>be heard ? are we the founders of July 22 movement,did we set any radio
>station on fire ?
>And then my dear Aisha wrote;
>"....all the messages I have been getting from here is,if I sum it up it
>would be a cry for political-cultural-and tribal unrest in the Gambia.I
>might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here..."
>
>You cant just accuse us with such serious charges and then apologise for
>it,
>such activities do qualify for treason charges.Did you read here that Dr
>Saine have been asking Katim to cut the heads of people like Karamba
>because they belong to another tribe.With all the literary works,with all
>the fine political analysis and debate,with all the personal
>communications,with all the books from GESO to Gambian students,with all
>the
>infor on jobs and scholarship in this forum,all that you can "sum
>up.....from here" is civil unrest,you must be a very bad matamatician Your
>treason charges against us is no call for peace but a threat to peace.
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Aisha Sallah <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:16 PM
>Subject: CRYING PEACE!!!!
>
>
> > I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until recently when
>I
> > decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started up to this
>day
> > today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if I sum it up
>it
> > would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in the Gambia.
>I
> > might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here.
> >
> > Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break into if
>hell
> > breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to teach us
> > lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be? Can we
>predict
> > it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do we think it
>would
> > take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the others will
>come
> > to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have only seen this
> > happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa never has any
> > member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy we get is
>poor
> > africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some crack wheat
> > that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
> > Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I met and what
>he
> > said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I became refugee
>from
> > the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I could walk back
>home
> > but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell fire broke
>out
> > again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my precious time in
> > Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
> >
> > What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are looking for
>does
> > not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our democracy by being
> > there investing, contributing and educating the people rather than
>shouting
> > from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a violent way.
> >
> > Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution here, I did
>not
> > mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
> >
> > /Aisha
> >
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:56:02 GMT
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Congratulations Brother,
Gambia IS proud of you!!! Your groundbreaking is an inspiration to the rest
of us to put the pieces back together on the home front.
Cheers,
Dagmar Christensen
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>Well done Bakary.Or shall i say TERVE.
>
>Its' interesting to read your victory for the city council seat in
>Lappeenranta,Finland.
>As africans living in the western world specially scandinavia is the first
>time to my
>knowlegge a Gambian elected for a council seat in any of this five northern
>countries,
>So as others commented is time for you to setup a good example for your
>brothers/sisters
>in Finland,And be skilled with the issues confronting our people in the
>country that
>means you should never be afraid to speak out for equal rights and
>justice,Thats' all democracy
>is about.Best wishes and keep up the good work.
>
>Fye.F.Samateh
>In Oslo.
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>Subject: Re: Gambian Elected to his local City Council in Finland
>
>
> > Congratulation Bakary , you made it . We all gambians living in Finland
>Are
> > very much proud of you. We always want you to redouble your efford and
> > prepaire to face die hard critics .
> > You´ve now paved the way for other gambians to do as we did in
> > finland.Gambians, support your fellow gambians or Africans to play a
> > meaningfull role in the society.I hope many will follow now.
> > Kiitos Bakary , Ja toivotta sinut kaikki
> > mailmassæ.
> > Bob
> > Oslo
> >
> >
> > >From: Ousman Bojang <[log in to unmask]>
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> > >Subject: Gambian Elected to his local City Council in Finland
> > >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:49:51 EDT
> > >
> > >It is interesting what democracy could bring.
> > >Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland
>since
> > >1989
> > >has won a City council election and will be serving his city
>Lappeenranta
> > >for
> > >a four year term.
> > >For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this
>forum. He
> > >was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener
> > >pastures
> > >and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of
>the
> > >City
> > >of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of
>the
> > >city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
> > >Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
> > >interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
> > >
> > >Ousman Bojang.
> > >
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I decided to change the title of this poem from "Mosquitoes"
to "Malaria" Please replace it, and discard the "Mosquitoes"
Version.
Thanks
Dawda Jallow
MALARIA
Malaria syndrome and how lethal
Which is beyond my pocket.
Really I could have chosen
The lesser cost to prevent
This disease, malaria-phobia.
Is easy if my streets are
Cleaned up routinely.
No "mbalit" in the open
Streets, or "kerr" no
Water settlements
For breeds, "pah"un
Sanitized, uncovered.
No loopholes for the mosquitoes
Or hideouts. Is easy, is important,
Is life, mosquitoes! But is "salteh"
Problem, too, mosquitoes support.
"Set-settal" mosquitoes opposition.
My people are poor, my people
Have no standard healthcare,
My people, yet under parasitism.
Lets control the mosquitoes
City take-over.
Dawda Jallow.2000.
Translation: Wollof/Oolof words as used in the context.
Note, not exact meanings.
"mbalit" trash
"kerr" compound/yard
"pah/paax" gutter
"salteh" unhygiened
"set-settal" clean and clean up
Dawda Jallow 2000.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:21:48 GMT
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ANOTHER ELECTION FIASCOIN THE MAKING?
ZANZIBAR, Oct 30 (AFP) - Elections in 16 of Zanzibar's 50 constituencies
were anulled late Sunday and counting of votes was suspended in
presidential,
parliamentary and local council polls, election officials announced.
Zanzibar is a semi-autonomous state of Tanzania, made up two islands,
with
its own president and House of Representatives.
The Zanzibar Election Commission (ZEC) "has cancelled voting in 12
constituencies in urban districts and four constituencies in western
districts," ZEC spokesman Idriss Jecha told journalists.
Jecha explained that these were the areas worst affected by delays in
voting, which in polling stations visited by AFP, lasted up to five hours.
He said that counting of votes across the islands of Unguja and Pemba,
which make up Zanzibar, had been suspended until the council elections were
reheld.
Election observer Tom Bayer of the International Foundation for Electoral
Systems said that police had been seen removing boxes of electoral material
from at least one polling station.
Vote counting in Pemba was halted around 8:00 pm (1700 GMT), he said.
In contrast to a smooth polling day on mainland Tanzania, election day in
Zanzibar got off to a bad start, with no polling stations in the vicinity of
Zanzibar town reported to have opened on time, and with a litany of
irregularities either observed by journalists or reported by party agents.
The most important election here was that for the presidency, fiercely
and
closely contested by the ruling Chama cha Mapinduzi or Revolutionary Party
and
the opposition Civic United Front.
In the run-up to the polls, both sides had predicted victory while the
CUF
had made numerous allegations of pre-polling day irregularities.
After waiting almost four hours to be allowed to vote, CUF presidential
candidate Seif Shariff Hamad said around midday Sunday: "You can't say we
have
an election now, just chaos."
afm/bm
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Hello Elhaji Mustapha,
Thanks for your well concieved and beautiful piece. It very much reflects
the reality of the current situation.
Bakary J Sonko
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Subject: WHY?WHY?WHY?
The President held his prayer beads in his left hand,clutched his sword
from its wooden case with its right,lifted it up and yelled
"victory!.And the Nation echoed
his noise not knowing why? When he was "voted" in office there were more
echoes
and the Nation still didn`t know why?
The President raised his gold tipped ceremonial cane high over his
oversize gold
trimmed embroided gown and spread his arms wide.His eyes behind the
thick
sunglasses,surveyed the masses before him,smiled benevolently and said,
"Without Me.........there will be chaos!"And the Nation cheered,not
knowing why?
The President solemnly checked every cabinet member`s face for signs of
dissent,but seeing only fear,he was satisfied."These Journalists( The
African ones of course ) are
a menace to the peace of this Nation.We need tough laws to keep them in
line
( we also need tougher actions,like torture,beatings and unfortunately (
for them ),
sometimes assassination of their colleagues and ministers).And the
cabinet wholeheartedly acquiesced,not knowing why? The Nation wasn`t
invited.
The President ordered the SIX FEET DEEP BURIAL of all dissendents and
the Nation celebrated not really knowing why? And when his Finance
Minister was
charred to death,they celebrated again,again not knowing why?
When the President cried "Yipee!.I won!",the Nation rejoiced but the UN
and OAU hesitated to declare the elections free and fair.Of course they
knew why?
The President said, "I will save you",and the Nation clapped itself into
poverty not knowing why?
The President intoned to the gathered crowds,"Down with the former
regime!" and
pulled himself to incalculable wealth and prosperity,not knowing why?
The President`s order is given:"SIX FEET DEEP!"and the Nation goes into
orgy,
not even wondering why?
The President fetes all over the world.But the Nation grows poorer and
still
didn`t wonder why?
The Coporals / Sergeants / Captains / Majors / Colonels / Generals
wanted democracy,so he changed his uniform for an oversized gold trimmed
gown and
( yes,you`ve guessed it ) became a President,and the Nation acclaimed
him,
not knowing why?
When The President calls for dimissal from service
When The President argues for Economic Independence
When The President visits Libya / China - not mainland of course
When The President refuses to account for his overnight wealth,which he
claims
to be helping the Nation with, he is still in office-no rebellion.
Now,if the Nation can`t, you and I should and must ask WHY?
Elhajj.
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Ebrima, am glad that you and your sources are back. Your contributions to
the struggle is invaluable. I anxiously await your postings regarding the
corrupt activities that are going on in institutions like the Central Bank.
I know a thing or two about what those people are up to. The top ranking
officials there are all millionaires not because of the huge loans they get
from the bank and not because of the allowances they earn from frivolous
trips. Tell your sources to investigate the 'interventions' of the Central
Bank into the foreign currency market. That is the real deal. I don't know
also if your sources noticed that MRDGny was trying to put together a letter
for the government of Qatar regarding Baba Jobe's reported appointment as
Gambia's representative to Qatar. It will be highly appreciated if your
sources or any of the subscribers here can help (ASAP) in cataloging Jobe's
criminal and terrorist activities in order to complement MRDGny's
commendable efforts. Welcome back and good luck in your endeavors. Am sure
you will do well.
KB
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>Gambia-L:
>
>The e-mail below is more of a commentary from one of my sources in the
>Gambia. I am sending it as received - unedited.
>
>Jabou: Yes, you are right - the rains never stop in England!
>
>Momodou Mboge: Thanks for the support!
>
>Ebrima
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Hello Yahya, We are back
>>Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000
>>
>>Ebrima,
>>The temporary reprieve enjoyed by Yahya and his illegal government is
>>over.
>>As Prince Obrien-Coker prepares Part II of his article, Jammeh's
>>supporters
>>are anxiously waiting to learn more about their Attorney General and
>>Secretary of State for Justice who has been extra-ordinarily quiet
>>recently
>>and so has Fatoumatta Jahumpa-Ceesay. They are ALL running scared because
>>of the recent upheavals in Yugoslavia and Ivory Coast leading in both
>>cases
>>to the overthrow of illegitimate Governments by "People's Power". They
>>know, Gambia is next. Because Jammeh's government is peopled with
>>semi-literate imbeciles who lack basic intelligence, they will continue
>>with their plan to rig next year's Presidential elections. Well 2001 will
>>be different from 1996.
>>
>>The role of the Gambia-L in ridding the Gambia of the APRC regime is now
>>more important than ever. The campaign for international monitors must
>>commence now as suggested by Dr. Saine, Dagmar, Jabou Joh and the German
>>contingent. Every one on the L must actively take part in sensitising the
>>international community, including but not limited to the Carter Center,
>>National Democratic Institute, The United Nations Elections Monitoring
>>Unit, The British Government, US State Department, to name just a few. As
>>dr. Saine said recently, democracy will not be delivered to us on a silver
>>platter. We must fight for it. And there is no better starting point
>>than
>>to sensitise the above organisations and similar organisations of the need
>>to have nest year's elections monitored by impartial international
>>monitors. Should the Jammeh government refuse to allow monitors, then his
>>government will face the wrath of the international community and and
>>uprising by the gambian people. The days of the dictator is over in
>>Europe, Asia and Africa alike. For Yahya, who still lives in his fantasy
>>world, he still plans to impose himself on the Gambian people, as he has
>>been telling his dwindling supporters throughout his Meet the People's
>>Tour
>>which was a dismal failure.
>>
>>Ebrima's sources are appealing to all and sundry to start the agitation
>>now. We have been able to demonstrate adequate and expose the corrupt
>>nature of Jammeh and his government over the past months and so we should
>>now focus on agitation, canvassing the international community for a free
>>and fair election which Yahya is bound to lose. His unpopularity is at an
>>all-time low and will continue to slide downward. With your help, Yahya's
>>government will be voted out of office come next year. Let us enusre that
>>there is a free and fair elections which can only be guaranteed by the
>>presence of an international and local team of monitors. The Carter
>>center
>>should be approach immediately by those who are more familiar with the
>>work
>>of the center and/or those who have direct connection with it.
>>
>>Together, we shall soon drive this monster, together with his
>>blood-sucking
>>apologists and followers out of our lives.
>>
>>As short note to the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy in The
>>Gambia. We have commenced documenting the known atrocities and other
>>criminal activities of Baba Jobe, Jankuba Touray, the Singhatey brothers,
>>Baboucarr Jatta (GNA) and a host of others, including some civil servants
>>(particularly at the Central Bank who have been accomplices in the
>>siphoning off of our meager resources to foreign bank accounts). the story
>>which appeared recently on the L from a gentleman in the UK concerning Rex
>>King is highly inaccurate and we are happy that he was given a fitting
>>reply from another member of the L. As regards the order to shoot, the
>>opposition has a copy of the tape from the original source which will not
>>be devulge at this time. At the appropriate moment, the proof will be
>>displayed before a proper court of law. Don't worry, we will get you as
>>much information as possible through Ebrima. Thank you
>>
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Despite the discovery of additional bodies floating in the lagoon yesterday
bringing the death toll to around 200, most of whom are believed to be
muslims from the north, according to sources, there appears to be an
emerging consensus that the democratisation process must continue, meaning
that amends to the initial selection procedure for presidential candidates
be effected in time for the legislative elections. Either a constitutional
amendment to Article 35 which contains the nationality clause is effected
prior to the December elections or an outright declaration of the
eligibility of Ouattara under the same Article. The latter seems more
feasible, given the requirements for amending the Constitution, and this
approach that Ouattara will insist upon since he claims that both his
parents are Ivorians and thus eligible under the current Constitution. On
the other hand, to seek an amendment to the Article would mean an admission
that he was ineligible under the current Constitution. The meeting between
Ouattara and the President Gbagbo is an implicit recognition of the RDR
leader as the presidential standard bearer of his party. Thus it appears
that a formal recognition is the final step in the process that Ouattara and
the international community are working toward. Be it as it may, the country
may be on the road to national reconciliation and eventual revitalization of
a battered economy, provided all parties refrain from being intransigent and
the security forces return to barracks under strict civilian control to
avoid further macabre killing of innocent civilians. The international
community's latest shift in emphasis should be reassuring to current
investors and an encouraging development for those wishing to do business
with Cote d'Ivoire.
Sidi Sanneh
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PARIS, Oct 28 (AFP) - The European Union and the United States called on
Ivory Coast's new President Laurent Gbagbo to solidify the west African
nation's return to democracy by ensuring fair elections in December's
legislative race.
In a statement by the French presidency, the EU urged Gbagbo, sworn in as
Ivory Coast president on Thursday, to "guarantee the democratisation"
demanded
by the opposition, barred from taking part in last Sunday's presidential
elections that brought Gbagbo to power.
Legislative elections in Ivory Coast are set for December 10, and the EU
statement said it was "essential that the process of returning to a
constitutional and democratic order takes place in incontestable and
verified
conditions of transparency and fairness, enabling all the country's
democratic
forces to take part" in achieving civil peace and national cohesion.
International opinion has been divided over recognising the legitimacy of
the new authorities in Ivory Coast, with several leaders calling for a
re-run
of the presidential poll.
France, the former colonial power and currently EU president, was at
first
virtually alone in backing Gbagbo.
However, the United States, after initially calling for a re-run, has
said
it will work with the new president -- although President Bill Clinton's
administration did officially recognize the new government.
"We recognize countries, not specific governments or individuals," said
State Department deputy spokesman Philip Reeker. "We're prepared to work
with
governing authorities in Cote d'Ivoire; Gbagbo was inaugurated yesterday and
we will deal with him and his government."
However, Reeker stressed that the United States awaited "the restoration
of
democracy" and issued a "call to all parties to cooperate towards that end
...
that the voices of the disenfranchised be heard."
The election that ushered Gbagbo into power drew less than 40 percent of
Ivorian voters, who joined in an election boycott after the Supreme Court
barred the vast majority of candidates from standing.
"The elections were flawed from the outset because they excluded
political
parties," Reeker said. "It is important that the parliamentary elections
take
place on December 10."
The chairman of the Organization of African Unity (OAU), Togolese
President
Gnassingbe Eyadema, said if Ivorians accept Gbagbo's new government, "we
must
join them."
"What we want is to avoid bloodletting. That must end, and Ivorians must
fraternally return to working hand in hand to develop country," Eyadema said
in Paris, where he was meeting with French President Jacques Chirac.
"Ivory Coast doesn't affect only Ivorians, it affects the entire
sub-region" because of its economic influence, he said.
France's former prime minister Alain Juppe warned that if Ivory Coast
fell
into a long-running conflict, it would be catastrophic.
"They must do everything today to lower the temperatures and bring the
main
players back to the table," Juppe said.
"Find a rule to the game that will allow the organization of
(legislative)
elections, that's the way to go," he added.
bur/gs/gj
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JOHANNESBURG, Oct 30 (AFP) - South African President Thabo Mbeki and his
Nigerian counterpart Olusegun Obasanjo have issued a joint call for fresh
presidential elections in Ivory Coast, the South African foreign ministry
said
Monday.
In a statement drafted after they spoke on the phone at the weekend, the
two presidents said "the interests of the Ivorian people can best be served
through the holding of fresh presidential elections, at a date agreed upon
by
all the parties."
Mbeki and Obasanjo also called for a government of national unity to be
established to rule the country until new elections were held, and for the
people of Ivory Coast to refrain from further violence.
Following the controversial vote on October 22, an estimated 155 people
died in clashes between rival party supporters, according to a main
opposition
party whose candidate was excluded from the polls.
All but five of 19 presidential candidates were barred from running.
Another 50 people are believed to have died in earlier protests that
routed
military ruler Robert Guei from power after he tried to claim victory in the
election.
Electoral authorities eventually declared socialist Laurent Gbagbo the
victor.
Mbeki and Obasanjo said Guei had "de-legitimised" the elections by
banning
14 candidates from taking part, with the result that roughly a third of the
electorate went to the polls.
They said they want to reconfirm "the need for political inclusiveness in
processes aimed at restoring democracy in the Cote d'Ivoire."
The interim government should, among other matters, see to it that new
presidential and parliamentary elections were open to all political parties,
they said.
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Subject: FWD:Where Is the Auditor General?
The Independent
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(Banjul)
EDITORIAL
October 27, 2000
Alhagie Mbye
Banjul
Reports reaching The Independent during the past few weeks have claimed that the
Auditor General Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye, who reportedly traveled to the United
Kingdom, is yet to return home, prompting rumours that she has absconded.
Sources at the Auditor General's office explained that Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye
who was expected back earlier was given a deadline by the government since
October 5, 2000 to return. Unconfirmed reports monitored on Tuesday suggested
that the Auditor General has sought political asylum in the UK following
information alleging that her department was in crisis.
An official at the Auditor General Office confirmed to The Independent that the
Auditor General is currently not in The Gambia but he assured that Mrs. Gaye
would be back 'in due course'.
'Why are people still concerned about her whereabouts?' he inquired.
Sources at the Auditor General's Department claimed that a problem had erupted
between her and the government after she reportedly wrote to the Secretary
General and head of the civil service, demanding that a secretary whom she
accused of involvement in the 'stealing of government fuel coupons' should be
sacked. The sources noted that the secretary in question had denied any
involvement in the alleged theft of fuel coupons in the department. That was
said to be the fourth reported case.
'Fuel coupon problems have been a long-standing issue in the department', added
the insiders who also disclosed that the secretary who was accused of the coupon
theft had handed over Mrs. Gaye's letter to the Public Service Commission, who
reportedly instructed her to continue work. They noted that the secretary also
made a written counter claim, accusing the Auditor General of abusing her office
'by inviting friends and other relatives to make free international calls in her
office, and misused fuel coupons among other things'.
Reports also claimed that the NIA had interrogated some members of the Auditor
General's family whilst she was still away but it is not clear whether the
questioning is in connection with her alleged 'disappearance'. Inside sources
also claimed that Mrs. Gaye was also accused of leaking to the opposition the
Auditor General's report before it was submitted to the National Assembly for
which the government felt 'offended'.
Since 1994, the Auditor General's office has been confronted with 'petty
problems' and that about 12 of its employees have left the department in
disillusioned sources intimated.
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Subject: FWD:Where Is the Auditor General?
The Independent (Banjul)
EDITORIAL
October 27, 2000
Alhagie Mbye
Banjul
Reports reaching The Independent during the past few weeks have claimed that the
Auditor General Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye, who reportedly traveled to the United
Kingdom, is yet to return home, prompting rumours that she has absconded.
Sources at the Auditor General's office explained that Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye
who was expected back earlier was given a deadline by the government since
October 5, 2000 to return. Unconfirmed reports monitored on Tuesday suggested
that the Auditor General has sought political asylum in the UK following
information alleging that her department was in crisis.
An official at the Auditor General Office confirmed to The Independent that the
Auditor General is currently not in The Gambia but he assured that Mrs. Gaye
would be back 'in due course'.
'Why are people still concerned about her whereabouts?' he inquired.
Sources at the Auditor General's Department claimed that a problem had erupted
between her and the government after she reportedly wrote to the Secretary
General and head of the civil service, demanding that a secretary whom she
accused of involvement in the 'stealing of government fuel coupons' should be
sacked. The sources noted that the secretary in question had denied any
involvement in the alleged theft of fuel coupons in the department. That was
said to be the fourth reported case.
'Fuel coupon problems have been a long-standing issue in the department', added
the insiders who also disclosed that the secretary who was accused of the coupon
theft had handed over Mrs. Gaye's letter to the Public Service Commission, who
reportedly instructed her to continue work. They noted that the secretary also
made a written counter claim, accusing the Auditor General of abusing her office
'by inviting friends and other relatives to make free international calls in her
office, and misused fuel coupons among other things'.
Reports also claimed that the NIA had interrogated some members of the Auditor
General's family whilst she was still away but it is not clear whether the
questioning is in connection with her alleged 'disappearance'. Inside sources
also claimed that Mrs. Gaye was also accused of leaking to the opposition the
Auditor General's report before it was submitted to the National Assembly for
which the government felt 'offended'.
Since 1994, the Auditor General's office has been confronted with 'petty
problems' and that about 12 of its employees have left the department in
disillusioned sources intimated.
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Subject: FWD:Where Is the Auditor General?
The Independent (Banjul)
EDITORIAL
October 27, 2000
Alhagie Mbye
Banjul
Reports reaching The Independent during the past few weeks have
claimed that the Auditor General Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye, who reportedly traveled
to the United Kingdom, is yet to return home, prompting rumours that she has
absconded.
Sources at the Auditor General's office explained that
Fatoumatta Jallow-Gaye who was expected back earlier was given a deadline by the
government since October 5, 2000 to return. Unconfirmed reports monitored on
Tuesday suggested that the Auditor General has sought political asylum in the UK
following information alleging that her department was in crisis.
An official at the Auditor General Office confirmed to The
Independent that the Auditor General is currently not in The Gambia but he
assured that Mrs. Gaye would be back 'in due course'.
'Why are people still concerned about her whereabouts?' he
inquired.
Sources at the Auditor General's Department claimed that a
problem had erupted between her and the government after she reportedly wrote to
the Secretary General and head of the civil service, demanding that a secretary
whom she accused of involvement in the 'stealing of government fuel coupons'
should be sacked. The sources noted that the secretary in question had denied
any involvement in the alleged theft of fuel coupons in the department. That was
said to be the fourth reported case.
'Fuel coupon problems have been a long-standing issue in the
department', added the insiders who also disclosed that the secretary who was
accused of the coupon theft had handed over Mrs. Gaye's letter to the Public
Service Commission, who reportedly instructed her to continue work. They noted
that the secretary also made a written counter claim, accusing the Auditor
General of abusing her office 'by inviting friends and other relatives to make
free international calls in her office, and misused fuel coupons among other
things'.
Reports also claimed that the NIA had interrogated some members
of the Auditor General's family whilst she was still away but it is not clear
whether the questioning is in connection with her alleged 'disappearance'.
Inside sources also claimed that Mrs. Gaye was also accused of leaking to the
opposition the Auditor General's report before it was submitted to the National
Assembly for which the government felt 'offended'.
Since 1994, the Auditor General's office has been confronted
with 'petty problems' and that about 12 of its employees have left the
department in disillusioned sources intimated.
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Subject: Re: CRYING PEACE!!!!
Aisha please give us a break. If you are really crying for peace,you will
appreciate what people are trying to achieve on this platform.
Beran
-----Original Message-----
From: Aisha Sallah [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:17 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CRYING PEACE!!!!
I'm no angel but rather sick and tired of seeing all that is
going on in
Africa, caused by those who are fighting for democracy without
really
thinking about the real way round to achieve it. Intellectuals
might believe
that they are the real rulers of Africa but all they've come up
with is
misery. Nobody can save Gambia through G/L, if you really want
to save
Gambia you have to be there. I do not think of this place as a
place that
can bring some type of save heaven for the Gambia but rather a
place to
discuss matters. Have you ever stop to think about the rapid
population
decrease occurring in Africa most commonly caused by war,
famine, disease
just to mention a few. What I'm trying to say here is violence
is not the
way to democracy.
/Aisha
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>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:06:32 +0100
>
>Aisah,
>This your "Congo"man could really enjoy Africa,it is much more
to say that
>he did not want to leave the comfort of Europe.Yes you have
been monitoring
>the G/l and all you have been reading is a cry for unrest in
the
>Gambia,are you Angel Aisha-come save Gambia through G/L,welcome
Angel.But
>as
>you know it was not the people in the G/L who were responsible
for April
>10,this event was as a result of the fascist rule in our
country,you did
>not
>even read here to know what some of the contributors in this
forum have
>been
>doing to help the victims of April 10th or it does not
interest you ?check
>the mails from sisters Sigga and do you your calculations
again,we better
>talk now before it is too late,before another April 10,before
another
>Congo.How can people just demand that we should be passive
onlookers to the
>detonating condition in our dear land?Do you need to use your
energy to
>call
>on us for peace ?are we the people shooting at defenceless
students ? are
>we
>detaining people for months without given them the chance to
let their case
>be heard ? are we the founders of July 22 movement,did we set
any radio
>station on fire ?
>And then my dear Aisha wrote;
>"....all the messages I have been getting from here is,if I sum
it up it
>would be a cry for political-cultural-and tribal unrest in the
Gambia.I
>might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from
here..."
>
>You cant just accuse us with such serious charges and then
apologise for
>it,
>such activities do qualify for treason charges.Did you read
here that Dr
>Saine have been asking Katim to cut the heads of people like
Karamba
>because they belong to another tribe.With all the literary
works,with all
>the fine political analysis and debate,with all the personal
>communications,with all the books from GESO to Gambian
students,with all
>the
>infor on jobs and scholarship in this forum,all that you can
"sum
>up.....from here" is civil unrest,you must be a very bad
matamatician Your
>treason charges against us is no call for peace but a threat to
peace.
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Aisha Sallah <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:16 PM
>Subject: CRYING PEACE!!!!
>
>
> > I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until
recently when
>I
> > decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started
up to this
>day
> > today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if
I sum it up
>it
> > would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in
the Gambia.
>I
> > might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from
here.
> >
> > Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break
into if
>hell
> > breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to
teach us
> > lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be?
Can we
>predict
> > it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do
we think it
>would
> > take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the
others will
>come
> > to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have
only seen this
> > happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa
never has any
> > member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy
we get is
>poor
> > africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some
crack wheat
> > that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
> > Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I
met and what
>he
> > said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I
became refugee
>from
> > the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I
could walk back
>home
> > but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell
fire broke
>out
> > again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my
precious time in
> > Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
> >
> > What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are
looking for
>does
> > not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our
democracy by being
> > there investing, contributing and educating the people
rather than
>shouting
> > from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a
violent way.
> >
> > Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution
here, I did
>not
> > mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
> >
> > /Aisha
> >
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Wow! my dear. You have a way of snatching the words
right out of my mouth, just before I can utter them.
Once again, you have mirrored my thoughts and
reflected them into words. Thank you. And thank you
for setting a wonderful example for all Gambian
females to follow, in this fight for freedom.
--- Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Brother Elhadj,
>
> This is the question of the century, WHY??
> All of us grew up being taught, as well as hearing
> our parents tell us that
> common sense, decency and the fear of God are
> indispensable commodities, and
> so all of us grow up in Gambia believing that these
> values abound not only
> in all of us, but especially in our elders, and most
> specifically in those
> who call themselves the guardians of our faith, the
> vicegerants of God's word.
>
> Today in The Gambia, these very people have sold
> their souls to Yaya Jammeh,
> and it is a sad day, and a very big awakening for
> all of us.
> Prince Coker's statement about the evil among us is
> an accurate one. One good
> thing that this regime has done is to help us to
> identify the evil element
> amongst us.
>
> Never before could anyone convince me that we have
> people among us who have
> the kind of character to help collaborate murder amd
> mayhem among our
> people, and then just carry on as if this is as
> natural as breathing air.
>
> Or that we had religious leaders who should
> recognize evil and hypocrisy but
> instead look the other way when Jammeh who holds his
> prayer beads in his left
> hand, dashes out some cola nut money and funds to
> complete the building of a
> house of worship for Allah (SWA) and other gifts
> from funds stolen from the
> very people he is supposedly giving it to.
>
> Perhaps these religious leaders serve another Allah
> that the muslim ummah
> does not know about.Yes indeed, Yaya Jammeh has
> helped us to identify the
> evil element amongst us.
>
> Jabou Joh
>
> In a message dated 10/28/00 8:34:21 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> << The President held his prayer beads in his left
> hand,clutched his sword
> from its wooden case with its right,lifted it up
> and yelled
> "victory!.And the Nation echoed
> his noise not knowing why? When he was "voted" in
> office there were more
> echoes
> and the Nation still didn`t know why? >>
>
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> I've already done my part for this election season. I voted last
Saturday.
> Since we expect things to be pretty crazy on election day, we've been
> encouraging everyone at "Nightline" to vote absentee. That way they're
sure
> to be able to vote. I know of one journalist who made the point that
> journalists shouldn't vote at all. This person felt that just the act of
> voting would jeopardize their objectivity, and make it more difficult for
> them to cover the election impartially. An interesting thought, but I
> disagree. And I digress.
>
> I'm sure it will come as no surprise that we're going to be focusing on
> politics tonight. We've been devoting Monday nights to politics for some
> time now anyway, but with the election just one week away, this seems
like
> an obvious call. I expect that we will, in some way, be covering the
> election each night this week. Unless, of course, there is breaking news
of
> some sort. Those of you who can't stand to hear another word about
politics
> are probably hoping for that breaking news.
>
> Tonight we'll be trying to cover a number of bases. We'll hear from
ABCNEWS
> correspondents Terry Moran, with the Gore campaign, and Dean Reynolds
> covering Bush. And we'll be interviewing a man most of you never see,
> although you see his work on a regular basis: Gary Langer, the director
of
> polling for ABCNEWS. He's going to try to help us make sense of the polls
> this year, many of which have been swinging wildly. I don't remember an
> election where the polls have been so different from each other, and
we're
> hoping Gary can help explain why. We know a lot of voters don't like
polls,
> they think that we, the media, focus on them too much, and that the
> candidates can let the polls dictate their actions and programs. We
always
> wonder if people out there are being a little dishonest with the
pollsters,
> just to make things more interesting.
>
> Tomorrow night, Ted Koppel will anchor a town meeting from Minneapolis
with
> Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. When this was first planned, the focus was
> intended to be a look at third-party candidates in general. But with the
> increased focus on Nader by the Gore campaign, and their fear that he is
> siphoning off votes that might otherwise go to their candidate, it seems
> like a perfect time to hear from him. Tonight, we're going to have three
> other third-party candidates on the broadcast. I'm going to be a little
> coy, or obnoxious, depending on your point of view, and not tell you who
> those three are. I wonder how many of you will be able to identify them.
I
> know that I had trouble naming them.
>
> Gary Langer, the polling director I mentioned above, just called to say
> that today's ABCNEWS poll shows a dead heat between Gore and Bush. Things
> are probably going to get pretty heated in the next few days as both
> candidates try to break out.
>
> Oct. 30, 2000
>
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> "ABOLISH THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX" - ANGELA DAVIES
>
> Angela Davies, a former member of the Black Panther Party, has called for
> the abolition of the "Prison Industrial Complex (PIC)", the death penalty
> and an end to slave labour in prisons around the world. Speaking at the
> "Riv Murarna" conference held at Brygghuset in Stockholm on 28th October,
> Angela said that out of the two million people locked behind bars in US
> Federal prisons and County jails, one million are Black or people of
> colour. The conference had been organised by "Andra Chansen", an
> organisation that works with prison-related questions in Sweden.
>
> Angela is currently an active member of the US-based "Critical
> Resistance", a Movement seeking to abolish the Prison Industrial Complex
> by challenging the structure of the "criminal justice" which PIC says, is
> based on revenge, punishment and violence.
>
> Angela compared the Prison Industrial Complex to the Military Industrial
> Complex, which she said, produces destruction. "The difference is that the
> Prison Industrial Complex produces nothing", she said. She explained that
> the large representation of Africans and people of colour in US jails was
> a direct result of racism.
>
> She deplored the privatization of the prison system especially in the US
> which, she said, had converted prisons into profit-making institutions.
> She pointed out that International corporations, which have nothing to do
> with the prison system, were involved in the exploitation of prison labour
> and provision of telephone and other services solely for profit.
>
> Specifically, she told the audience that Australia had the largest number
> of private prisons in the world, adding that privatisation of prisons had
> led many corporations into relying on the expansion of prisons as a means
> of making money. She criticised the large number of Aborigines being kept
> in Australia's prisons for petty drug related offences.
>
> She told the audience that Critical Resistance had filed a lawsuit aimed
> at stopping California from constructing a new prison with a capacity of
> more than 5,000 prison beds and at a tune of 335 million Dollars.
>
> She said that women prisoners in the United States were constantly
> subjected to sexual violence. "Many women prisoners are often subjected to
> gynaecological or pelvic examinations by male Doctors even if this kind of
> examination is not necessary", she said. She stunned her listeners when
> she revealed that a Chief Medical officer in the US had said on a TV
> programme watched by millions of people that female prisoners "liked"
> gynaecological examination because "they had no contacts with men".
>
> She said that she had visited a prison in Stockholm to look at the
> condition under which women prisoners were being held and reminded the
> audience that the number of prisoners in the United States was more than
> the population of Stockholm city.
>
> According to the African-American revolutionary, many people are serving
> long jail terms for petty offences which, she said, could earn them
> lighter sentences. She said that the campaign against PIC being waged by
> CR was a campaign against capitalism, a system which, she said, thrives by
> locking people in cages.
>
> In calling for the abolition of PIC, Angela said that prisons have not
> been able to rehabilitate prisoners neither has imprisoning people been
> able to minimise crime. Questioning why more money was being spent on the
> prison system in the US than in education, Angela charged that the prison
> system was providing spurious solutions to problems which could be dealt
> with in another way. She said that one of the objectives of the
> anti-prison movement was to popularise a different way of talking about
> prisons, adding that radical movements could make a big difference in the
> situation.
>
> The former Black Panther activist said that the campaign for the abolition
> of the prison system should be connected to the campaign for lighter
> sentences. She said that Texas had the highest number of death row inmates
> followed by California and gave the example of Mumia Abu Jamal (the
> African-American journalist who has been on death row for the last 20
> years) as a typical case in which a person had been put on death row
> despite the fact that available evidence showed that he was innocent. She
> said that the emergence of DNA evidence had created campaigns for a new
> category of innocent people who were behind bars.
>
> She said that in the United States, expansion of prisons began to increase
> at a time when criminologists were saying that crime rate was on the
> decline. Angela, who was herself jailed for 18 months as a result of her
> activism in the Black Panther Party, said that it was disheartening that
> many people had accepted a twisted notion that incarceration created a
> sense of security. "People don't question what appears to create
> collective emotional security. They don't question things that they think
> make them safer", she said.
>
> She said that it was pathetic that in certain parts of the US where people
> relied on agriculture for subsistence, the tendency had changed so that
> people had come to believe that the construction of prisons on
> agricultural land could lead to economic revitalisation and creation of
> jobs. She narrated how in the State of California, people collected money
> to give to the state so that the state could build prisons as a way of
> creating jobs.
>
> In another example in San Francisco, she said that people could not
> recognise the existence of a prison which had become part of their social
> landscape because since they thought it was a museum, they did not notice
> it. She appealed for the fostering of alliances of different people -
> workers, activists, students etc to campaign against the prison system
> which, she said, was similar across the world.
>
> She answered questions from her audience and later hosted a press
> conference which lasted for about half an hour.
>
> Okoth Osewe
> ARIBIS Media Group
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Following 'Ordeal' in North Africa Gambian Evacuees Allege Libyan =
Brutality
The Independent (Banjul)
October 30, 2000=20
Lamin M. Dibba
Banjul=20
Gambians recently evacuated from Libya have disclosed to The Independent =
that Libyans in the presence of that country's police 'beat' and =
slaughtered' black Africans after a clash with Nigerian immigrants.
Kemo Jatta a resident of Brikama who left The Gambia with his family =
since 1975 said at Crikaras and Zawuya Libyans in the presence of the =
police pulled own blacks from vehicles at check points and in the =
streets and 'beat them to death and burnt them to ashes'.
Mr. Jatta said one Alagi Sanneh a Gambian was stabbed by a Libyan in the =
presence of a group of Libyan police officers 'who only told him to go =
to the hospital'.
He disclosed that at Zawuya a Sudanese national was 'slaughtered' while =
his wife and children were burnt to death. He added that in a separate =
incident 40 Libyans attacked one Abdoulie Sonko a Gambian from Niumi =
Berending. According to him Abdoulie was nearly beaten to death but =
fortunately for him, he escaped through the window of the house he was =
living in at the time.
When asked what the Gambian consul in Libya was doing in the midst of =
all these alleged attacks Mr. Jatta said 'our Gambian consul Lamin =
Janneh has done tremendously well in ensuring that all Gambians are safe =
as long as they stayed indoors before arrangements for their evacuation =
home was made'.
He revealed that any black African seen in the streets was beaten by =
Libyans who formed themselves into vigilante groups 'hunting' for black =
immigrants. Samba Sowe an evacuee said Libyans have accused blacks of =
destroying their country. He said despite Libyan atrocities towards =
blacks the authorities there 'have never made a statement to condemn the =
alleged acts'.
'It seems if they are not fellow Africans' he said.
At Sarakiya he continued some blacks were beaten to death and thrown in =
a river. 'A friend of mine told me that at the coast of Tunis, dead =
bodies were found,' he claimed.
Sulayman Sanneh another evacuee said he did not receive information =
suggesting that Gambians were being beaten to death but said some of his =
compatriots sustained serious injuries after Libyans attacked blacks in =
areas where Gambians reside. The Libyan government he said never issued =
any statement over the issue.
'At the airport in Tripoli I was told that the Libyan government had =
called back the blacks... but what for? He inquired. He alleged that =
between Highslami and Sara-Sara where some blacks were camped a Libyan =
taxi driver forcefully drove through them and many blacks were seriously =
injured.
'A lot more Gambians were left at the airport, wanting to reach home' he =
narrated.
Mr. Sanneh thanked The Gambian Consular General in Tripoli for 'his =
tireless efforts' in helping Gambians stranded there.
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The Corr families of Lancaster and Gloucester, The Conteh family of
Primet , the Bobb family of Perseverance regret to announce the death of
Dawda Corr. which sad event took place this morning. Dawda was one of
the finest footballer this country ever had. He played active football
for both Gambia United and black diamonds and also played for the
national team.He played together with his best mate late Mai Ebou njie
and the rest of the crew La gra , late Tamba,late Saul Jeng, Pa Sulay
Njie and the rest. Our Condolence to the entire family.and to Birri Njie
Deputy Mayor of Banjul . MAY his soul rest in Peace.
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The John family of Hagan and Leman street, The Nyang family of Half die,
The Jarga Njie family of Sam Jack regret to announce the death of Uncle
Mbye John a retired assistant town clerk of the Banjul city council. Our
condolence to the entire family especially to Pa Killy Jallow of
Atlanta. May his soul rest in peace.
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L,S. Bojang and Family of Bakoteh, The Jaye family, the Sagnia family
regret to announce the death of Fatou Sagnia wife of L.S. Bo of the
Gambia Ports Authority. Our sincere condolences to L.S and the entire
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These crimes against fellow human begins must stop.
Ghadaffi must be aware of what is going on and he should be personally accountable for all these cold blooded murders. I am also equally mad that the other African leaders whose citizens have been killed and they are not protesting at the UN or OAU. What a shame
This madness has to stop
My sincere sympathy to all the victims
Habib Diab Ghanim
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> Following 'Ordeal' in North Africa Gambian Evacuees Allege Libyan Brutality
>
> The Independent (Banjul)
>
> October 30, 2000
>
> Lamin M. Dibba
> Banjul
>
> Gambians recently evacuated from Libya have disclosed to The Independent that Libyans in the presence of that country's police 'beat' and slaughtered' black Africans after a clash with Nigerian immigrants.
>
> Kemo Jatta a resident of Brikama who left The Gambia with his family since 1975 said at Crikaras and Zawuya Libyans in the presence of the police pulled own blacks from vehicles at check points and in the streets and 'beat them to death and burnt them to ashes'.
>
> Mr. Jatta said one Alagi Sanneh a Gambian was stabbed by a Libyan in the presence of a group of Libyan police officers 'who only told him to go to the hospital'.
>
> He disclosed that at Zawuya a Sudanese national was 'slaughtered' while his wife and children were burnt to death. He added that in a separate incident 40 Libyans attacked one Abdoulie Sonko a Gambian from Niumi Berending. According to him Abdoulie was nearly beaten to death but fortunately for him, he escaped through the window of the house he was living in at the time.
>
> When asked what the Gambian consul in Libya was doing in the midst of all these alleged attacks Mr. Jatta said 'our Gambian consul Lamin Janneh has done tremendously well in ensuring that all Gambians are safe as long as they stayed indoors before arrangements for their evacuation home was made'.
>
> He revealed that any black African seen in the streets was beaten by Libyans who formed themselves into vigilante groups 'hunting' for black immigrants. Samba Sowe an evacuee said Libyans have accused blacks of destroying their country. He said despite Libyan atrocities towards blacks the authorities there 'have never made a statement to condemn the alleged acts'.
>
> 'It seems if they are not fellow Africans' he said.
>
> At Sarakiya he continued some blacks were beaten to death and thrown in a river. 'A friend of mine told me that at the coast of Tunis, dead bodies were found,' he claimed.
>
> Sulayman Sanneh another evacuee said he did not receive information suggesting that Gambians were being beaten to death but said some of his compatriots sustained serious injuries after Libyans attacked blacks in areas where Gambians reside. The Libyan government he said never issued any statement over the issue.
>
> 'At the airport in Tripoli I was told that the Libyan government had called back the blacks... but what for? He inquired. He alleged that between Highslami and Sara-Sara where some blacks were camped a Libyan taxi driver forcefully drove through them and many blacks were seriously injured.
>
> 'A lot more Gambians were left at the airport, wanting to reach home' he narrated.
>
> Mr. Sanneh thanked The Gambian Consular General in Tripoli for 'his tireless efforts' in helping Gambians stranded there.
>
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Sidi
I am glad the call for new elections is on the way . That will be the only solution in my opinion fair or
unfair-
I still think you will be a good leader for the Gambia ,..knowing the experiences and lessons you have
experience here in the Us and in Africa.
A strong independent third party gives us choices . In the Gambia it is time for that because some people
want to be associated with the good elements from the other parties and get them to change the directions we
are headed for and bring new hope.
The old parties carry a stigma with some of it's leaders . The birth of a new one under Sidi Sanneh is worth
considering.
Think about it, seriously.
Jabou and I continued our good exchange on a more personal level and it went well. Alhamdullilah
Best regards
Habib
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> Bro. Habib,
>
> The history of American third parties have been a checkered one. Correct me
> if I am wrong but I think that the Reform Party under Ross Perrot gained the
> highest number of votes more than any other third party in the history of
> the republic, which they managed to squander in the ensuing presidential
> elections over ideological squabbles which, in my opinion, were beyond the
> comprehension of the average American voter. Another third party that will
> come as close as the Reform Party in forming a solid electoral base is not
> in my radar screen. The two party system has the deck stacked in such a way
> as to prevent the creation of a thriving third party.
>
> Bro. Habib, tell Hania, Amira, Tamsir and Bye-Abbie that they are partial
> judges. Hania and Amira are my sisters, and By-Abbie my "Gorro", Tamsir
> was a classmate, a friend and a neighbour. So where is the impartiality?
> Speaking of politics, I have been so inspired by Councilman Bakary Simon
> Bojang's success story that I have decided to reclaim my green card from the
> Milwaukee INS (is it still called that?) and return to Mad City, Wisconsin
> and run for City Council with Mini as campaign manager and Katim my media
> man and spin doctor. The baby boomers in Williamson Street should still
> remember me. If both are "listening", consider this note as your appointment
> letters and get cracking while I sort out my papers.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
>
> >From: USA Halal Chamber of Commerce <[log in to unmask]>
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> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Consensus
> >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:15:12 -0800
> >
> >Sidi Sanneh,
> >Any consensus? Bro. Habib is for Ralph Nader. You appear to be undecided
> >but
> >I can see Gore written all over your face. My prognosis is that the
> >death of
> >the Missouri's Carnahan democratic candidate for the Senate seat may
> >have
> >just delivered Missouri to Bush. Missouri together with Wisconsin,
> >Ohio,
> >Illinois and Michigan (despite the union votes) going to the Bush column
> >will
> >produce a Republican victory. I am prepared to eat my words come
> >November 7
> >in the event of a miraculous Gore victory in which case don't call me
> >Nov.,
> >I will call you.
> >
> >Sidi Sanneh
> >
> >
> >Brother Sidi , you are so right . I am upset at Gore but support the
> >Clintons 100%
> >This dilemma is what I am faced with. .
> >Maybe if Gore makes a statement regarding blatant atrocities publicly
> >and stop blaming one side (the muslims) I will go back to my democratic
> >party nominee.
> >BOTH sides are wrong in the conflict but to blame only one side is
> >morally wrong
> >
> >What do you think of an independent strong third party also ?
> >
> >My sisters Hania & Amira and their husbands talk highly of you . Maybe
> >you should come back and save the Gambia . I will support the idea of a
> >President Sidi Sanneh
> >in the Gambia ( laugh)
> >
> >Best regards
> >Habib
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good news Bamba
Habib
I may just do an absentee ballot voting this week before I change my mind
By the way if you walk into the elections office from now until noon on Saturday you can do an absentee vote
. Do not consider using the mail it may be too late . It closes tomorrow
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:26:54 -0800
> > Subject: Third Party Candidates & Polls
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> > I've already done my part for this election season. I voted last
> Saturday.
> > Since we expect things to be pretty crazy on election day, we've been
> > encouraging everyone at "Nightline" to vote absentee. That way they're
> sure
> > to be able to vote. I know of one journalist who made the point that
> > journalists shouldn't vote at all. This person felt that just the act of
> > voting would jeopardize their objectivity, and make it more difficult for
>
> > them to cover the election impartially. An interesting thought, but I
> > disagree. And I digress.
> >
> > I'm sure it will come as no surprise that we're going to be focusing on
> > politics tonight. We've been devoting Monday nights to politics for some
> > time now anyway, but with the election just one week away, this seems
> like
> > an obvious call. I expect that we will, in some way, be covering the
> > election each night this week. Unless, of course, there is breaking news
> of
> > some sort. Those of you who can't stand to hear another word about
> politics
> > are probably hoping for that breaking news.
> >
> > Tonight we'll be trying to cover a number of bases. We'll hear from
> ABCNEWS
> > correspondents Terry Moran, with the Gore campaign, and Dean Reynolds
> > covering Bush. And we'll be interviewing a man most of you never see,
> > although you see his work on a regular basis: Gary Langer, the director
> of
> > polling for ABCNEWS. He's going to try to help us make sense of the polls
>
> > this year, many of which have been swinging wildly. I don't remember an
> > election where the polls have been so different from each other, and
> we're
> > hoping Gary can help explain why. We know a lot of voters don't like
> polls,
> > they think that we, the media, focus on them too much, and that the
> > candidates can let the polls dictate their actions and programs. We
> always
> > wonder if people out there are being a little dishonest with the
> pollsters,
> > just to make things more interesting.
> >
> > Tomorrow night, Ted Koppel will anchor a town meeting from Minneapolis
> with
> > Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. When this was first planned, the focus was
>
> > intended to be a look at third-party candidates in general. But with the
> > increased focus on Nader by the Gore campaign, and their fear that he is
> > siphoning off votes that might otherwise go to their candidate, it seems
> > like a perfect time to hear from him. Tonight, we're going to have three
> > other third-party candidates on the broadcast. I'm going to be a little
> > coy, or obnoxious, depending on your point of view, and not tell you who
> > those three are. I wonder how many of you will be able to identify them.
> I
> > know that I had trouble naming them.
> >
> > Gary Langer, the polling director I mentioned above, just called to say
> > that today's ABCNEWS poll shows a dead heat between Gore and Bush. Things
>
> > are probably going to get pretty heated in the next few days as both
> > candidates try to break out.
> >
> > Oct. 30, 2000
> >
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Let me take this opportunity to express my condolences to my neighbours at
Hagan Street especially to Taffa Jobe, Yasin Jobe Janneh and Fatou Balea
Jobe and all the rest of the family.
May his soul rest in peace
Daddy Sang
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> The John family of Hagan and Leman street, The Nyang family of Half die,
> The Jarga Njie family of Sam Jack regret to announce the death of Uncle
> Mbye John a retired assistant town clerk of the Banjul city council. Our
> condolence to the entire family especially to Pa Killy Jallow of
> Atlanta. May his soul rest in peace.
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Jabou
your team is in our territory but we will have mercy on them and let
them have at least one touchdown. redskins will win by ten points as
predicted.--Sorry
next time ,Titans may win
Habib
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<< I know of one journalist who made the point that
> > journalists shouldn't vote at all. This person felt that just the act of
> > voting would jeopardize their objectivity, and make it more difficult
for
>
> > them to cover the election impartially. >>
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lol. This is a good one.
Jabou
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Inna Lillilahi, wa innah illaihi, rajioon. May Allah grant him Jannah. Our
sincere condolences to the families, especially to my auntie Fatou Mundow
Sarr, and the rest of the Corr family.
Jabou Joh
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The Corr families of Lancaster and Gloucester, The Conteh family of
Primet , the Bobb family of Perseverance regret to announce the death of
Dawda Corr. which sad event took place this morning. Dawda was one of
the finest footballer this country ever had. He played active football
for both Gambia United and black diamonds and also played for the
national team.He played together with his best mate late Mai Ebou njie
and the rest of the crew La gra , late Tamba,late Saul Jeng, Pa Sulay
Njie and the rest. Our Condolence to the entire family.and to Birri Njie
Deputy Mayor of Banjul . MAY his soul rest in Peace.
Chi Jamma
Bro Sheikh Tejan Nyang
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Our sincere condolences to the John family, and to the extended family. May
Allah grant him Jannah.
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The Jarga Njie family of Sam Jack regret to announce the death of Uncle
Mbye John a retired assistant town clerk of the Banjul city council. Our
condolence to the entire family especially to Pa Killy Jallow of
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Jabou
I just responded to the quotation of the journalist -(I do not want to take credit I do not deserve) but you
are right .I think it is a very good suggestion because it kills the objectivity of the journalist if they
are voting for the person the are covering in the election.
Will you watch night line tonight-??
Habib
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> << I know of one journalist who made the point that
> > > journalists shouldn't vote at all. This person felt that just the act of
> > > voting would jeopardize their objectivity, and make it more difficult
> for
> >
> > > them to cover the election impartially. >>
> **************************************
> lol. This is a good one.
>
> Jabou
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Habib, about the Titans... Yes, I do think that the Redskins will win.
Especially if Eddie George is not playing, he has a knee injury or
something.
At any rate, I am more of an Indianapolis Colts fan, as I am originally
from Indiana.
Basketball is more my thing anyway. In fact, the NBA season starts
tomorrow. However, I don't think the Pacers are going to do as well as they
did last year. New coahc, some new players, they just have to get into a
rhythem.
Anyway, by for now.
Ginny
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> Jabou
> your team is in our territory but we will have mercy on them and let
> them have at least one touchdown. redskins will win by ten points as
> predicted.--Sorry
> next time ,Titans may win
> Habib
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Sorry Habib if my quote made it look like I was attributing the quotation to
you. I was just enjoying the humour of the suggestion that the journalists
not vote.
Jabou
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<< Jabou
I just responded to the quotation of the journalist -(I do not want to take
credit I do not deserve) but you
are right .I think it is a very good suggestion because it kills the
objectivity of the journalist if they
are voting for the person the are covering in the election.
Will you watch night line tonight-??
Habib >>
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Jabou
your team is in our territory but we will have mercy on them and let
them have at least one touchdown. redskins will win by ten points as
predicted.--Sorry
next time ,Titans may win
Habib
>>
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Habib,
I believe you may have to "eat crow" on this one. Titans are killing these
guys.
Jabou
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Ginny don't be so 'quick' to judge your home team! The Titans are
going to kick butt!!! I will bet on it! What ya wanta bet? LOL ginny
I'm just teasing. I'll forgive you and so will the Titans!
You're right blindness has nothing to do with it! I was just joking!
We still love you!
Love,
Jennifer Eidson
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that is so funny uncle sidi.... you know i always tease katim that he will
be a better president than yaya jammeh. i told him that he should run for
president and make me an ambasador if he wins.
with katim as your media man, i guarantee you that you gonna win. we should
start working on it now, cause you never know what's gonna happen.
mini
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>Bro. Habib,
>
>The history of American third parties have been a checkered one. Correct
>me
>if I am wrong but I think that the Reform Party under Ross Perrot gained
>the
>highest number of votes more than any other third party in the history of
>the republic, which they managed to squander in the ensuing presidential
>elections over ideological squabbles which, in my opinion, were beyond the
>comprehension of the average American voter. Another third party that will
>come as close as the Reform Party in forming a solid electoral base is not
>in my radar screen. The two party system has the deck stacked in such a
>way
>as to prevent the creation of a thriving third party.
>
>Bro. Habib, tell Hania, Amira, Tamsir and Bye-Abbie that they are partial
>judges. Hania and Amira are my sisters, and By-Abbie my "Gorro", Tamsir
>was a classmate, a friend and a neighbour. So where is the impartiality?
>Speaking of politics, I have been so inspired by Councilman Bakary Simon
>Bojang's success story that I have decided to reclaim my green card from
>the
>Milwaukee INS (is it still called that?) and return to Mad City, Wisconsin
>and run for City Council with Mini as campaign manager and Katim my media
>man and spin doctor. The baby boomers in Williamson Street should still
>remember me. If both are "listening", consider this note as your
>appointment
>letters and get cracking while I sort out my papers.
>
>Sidi Sanneh
>
>
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>>Sidi Sanneh,
>>Any consensus? Bro. Habib is for Ralph Nader. You appear to be undecided
>>but
>>I can see Gore written all over your face. My prognosis is that the
>>death of
>>the Missouri's Carnahan democratic candidate for the Senate seat may
>>have
>>just delivered Missouri to Bush. Missouri together with Wisconsin,
>>Ohio,
>>Illinois and Michigan (despite the union votes) going to the Bush column
>>will
>>produce a Republican victory. I am prepared to eat my words come
>>November 7
>>in the event of a miraculous Gore victory in which case don't call me
>>Nov.,
>>I will call you.
>>
>>Sidi Sanneh
>>
>>
>>Brother Sidi , you are so right . I am upset at Gore but support the
>>Clintons 100%
>>This dilemma is what I am faced with. .
>>Maybe if Gore makes a statement regarding blatant atrocities publicly
>>and stop blaming one side (the muslims) I will go back to my democratic
>>party nominee.
>>BOTH sides are wrong in the conflict but to blame only one side is
>>morally wrong
>>
>>What do you think of an independent strong third party also ?
>>
>>My sisters Hania & Amira and their husbands talk highly of you . Maybe
>>you should come back and save the Gambia . I will support the idea of a
>>President Sidi Sanneh
>>in the Gambia ( laugh)
>>
>>Best regards
>>Habib
>>
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It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
Colts...
They won as well, against the Lions...
Ginny
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> Ginny don't be so 'quick' to judge your home team! The Titans are
> going to kick butt!!! I will bet on it! What ya wanta bet? LOL ginny
> I'm just teasing. I'll forgive you and so will the Titans!
> You're right blindness has nothing to do with it! I was just joking!
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Bro Sheikh,
Extend my sincere condolences to the whole family.May his soul rest in perfect peace.Aameen!
Elhajj.
Jabou Joh skrev:
> Inna Lillilahi, wa innah illaihi, rajioon. May Allah grant him Jannah. Our
> sincere condolences to the families, especially to my auntie Fatou Mundow
> Sarr, and the rest of the Corr family.
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> The Corr families of Lancaster and Gloucester, The Conteh family of
> Primet , the Bobb family of Perseverance regret to announce the death of
> Dawda Corr. which sad event took place this morning. Dawda was one of
> the finest footballer this country ever had. He played active football
> for both Gambia United and black diamonds and also played for the
> national team.He played together with his best mate late Mai Ebou njie
> and the rest of the crew La gra , late Tamba,late Saul Jeng, Pa Sulay
> Njie and the rest. Our Condolence to the entire family.and to Birri Njie
> Deputy Mayor of Banjul . MAY his soul rest in Peace.
>
> Chi Jamma
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Bro Sheikh,
Extend my condolences to the whole family.May his soul rest in perfect peace.Aameen!
Elhajj
Jabou Joh skrev:
> Our sincere condolences to the John family, and to the extended family. May
> Allah grant him Jannah.
>
> Jabou Joh
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> The Jarga Njie family of Sam Jack regret to announce the death of Uncle
> Mbye John a retired assistant town clerk of the Banjul city council. Our
> condolence to the entire family especially to Pa Killy Jallow of
> Atlanta. May his soul rest in peace. >>
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TO THE ENTIRE CORR FAMILY,
MAY ALLAH BLESS BROTHER DAWDA jr'S SOUL PEACE AND MERCY AND PARE HIM A
PALACE IN JANNAH. TO LIE CORR, OUSAINOU AND THE REST OF CORREN FAMILY IN
GLOUSTER, PLEASE ACCEPT MY HEARTFELT CONDOLENCE ON THIS SAD EVENT. KOTTO
DAWDA HAS BEEN OUR GOOD KOTTO AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REMEMBER HIM IN OUR
DAILY PRAYERS.
MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PERFECT PEACE....AMEEN!
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> Bro Sheikh,
>Extend my sincere condolences to the whole family.May his soul rest in
>perfect peace.Aameen!
>Elhajj.
>
>Jabou Joh skrev:
>
> > Inna Lillilahi, wa innah illaihi, rajioon. May Allah grant him Jannah.
>Our
> > sincere condolences to the families, especially to my auntie Fatou
>Mundow
> > Sarr, and the rest of the Corr family.
> >
> > Jabou Joh
> >
> > In a message dated 10/30/00 7:27:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> > Primet , the Bobb family of Perseverance regret to announce the death
>of
> > Dawda Corr. which sad event took place this morning. Dawda was one of
> > the finest footballer this country ever had. He played active football
> > for both Gambia United and black diamonds and also played for the
> > national team.He played together with his best mate late Mai Ebou njie
> > and the rest of the crew La gra , late Tamba,late Saul Jeng, Pa Sulay
> > Njie and the rest. Our Condolence to the entire family.and to Birri
>Njie
> > Deputy Mayor of Banjul . MAY his soul rest in Peace.
> >
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BRO LAMIN,
Please accept on behalf of my family here and in the Gambia our sincere
condolence on the parting of our dear wife Fatou. May Allah (SBW) shower her
soul with His mercy and blessings. I will be calling you tomorrow. This is a
very sucking news therefore have not much to say. Fatou was a star and
insallah Allah will reward her excellent deads with Jannah.
Your brother,
OUSMAN MANJANG
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USA
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>L,S. Bojang and Family of Bakoteh, The Jaye family, the Sagnia family
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<html><DIV>This is from The New Republic. It seems reparations for Blacks at any rate in America is finally finding a voice in mainstream America and within the political class albeit the snail pace as the piece below from TNR Online suggests. Anyway, i found The New Republic article not only very interesting and promising, but equally and egregiously dismissive, complacent and relaxed in a subtle manner about the very idea or indeed plausibility of reparation for Blacks. Coming from The New Republic - a journal that fought tooth and nail for reparations for the Jewish Holocaust and Jewish-interst-politics leaning -, it would be that rare avatar of richness. I hope you guys do find it a good read as i did and if there is any way that you can fight for reparations, please do join the fray. </DIV>
<DIV>Above all, i hope they give US our money. I mean not only Blacks in America. But Blacks in Africa who also suffered half as much as those who were carried away. Hey, make no mistake about it, i might not have been directly affected by the physical and psychological traumas of slavery but i suffered too at any rate economically, politically, and culturally. And those trillions of dollars being mooted do not belong to only Blacks in America but arguably and indeed, emotionally to Blacks in Africa as well. The Kunta Kintehs' they carried off to America were bread winners and left families home who depended on them who not only lost out emotionally but financially because of their forced absence Callous but logical. The logic as it is, is <EM>sui generis.</EM> So the argument is this: If decescendants of Kinteh in America like the Haleys can claim compensation for slavery, why not the Kinteh branch in say, Juffureh? Or where ever they happen to be now.</DIV>
<DIV>A wry humour here: Since Sidi looks forward to career change as another Bakary Simon Bojang in the US, i hope you take up your seat early enough to be able to stress the case for reparations for Black victims in Africa as well who are still lanquishing economically, politically, socially and above all, psychologically from the effects of slavery. </DIV>
<DIV>Good Day Everyone,</DIV>
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<P><BR>Sam Anderson, a gaunt man with a large, frizzy gray beard, is holding up a copy of his documentary comic book, <I>The Black Holocaust for Beginners</I>. Before a small but enthusiastic audience, Anderson, a leader of the Black Radical Congress, rails against the "Western imperialist, capitalist powers and corporations that have benefited from slavery." He is followed by a man from something called the Center for Constitutional Rights, who furiously names names: "Barclays Bank, Lloyds of London—all of these companies come directly out of the surplus property generated by the slave trade." Adjua Aiyetoro of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (<FONT size=2>N'COBRA</FONT>) denounces white doctors who ignore the health complaints of their black patients and attributes this and countless other evils to the legacy of slavery. "They robbed and raped Africa like they robbed and raped all the ancestors who came over here," says Aiyetoro, filling the room with a shout of well-honed indignation. "We <I>will</I> win reparations! We <I>won't</I> give up!" </P>
<P>Welcome to the epicenter of the slavery-reparations movement. After languishing for years on the far margins of political debate, the question of whether the federal government should compensate blacks—either through direct cash payments to descendants of slaves or through broader social programs or trust funds—may be coming soon to front pages near you. For while Aiyetoro's rants sound like the sort of futile venting you'd find at a Nation of Islam rally or an Afrocentric college, he uttered them last month on Capitol Hill, in the decorous hearing room of the House Judiciary Committee.
<P>How can that be? Don't conservative Republicans like Henry Hyde and the House impeachment managers run the Judiciary Committee? Yes, but its ranking Democrat is Detroit Representative John Conyers, who, like many unabashed liberals waiting quietly offstage, will become a powerful committee chairman if Democrats win back the House in November, as many political oddsmakers expect. Last month's event was informal; Republicans would never allow such a hearing to occur officially on their watch. But if Conyers, who has quietly championed reparations for years, does become chairman, he will use his committee platform to take the issue mainstream. "I can assure you that he will take this [issue] up" if Democrats prevail, says Conyers staffer Cynthia Martin. "There will be action."
<P>That's good news for the growing number of black activists, intellectuals, and politicians who believe the federal government should pay massive reparations to the descendants of African slaves. Whether it's good news for American race relations is another matter. Racial politics are more placid today than they have been in years, if not decades. The current presidential campaign has been almost entirely unblemished by Willie Horton-style demagoguery. Affirmative action and political correctness no longer raise tempers the way they did in the early '90s. Crime, welfare, and unemployment rates have plunged, bringing white fear and resentment down with them. Perhaps the calm simply masks white complacency and black cynicism, and public debate about the ugliest chapter in American history might produce a deeper healing. But, given that even a mere presidential apology for slavery remains unutterable and white support for affirmative action is grudging at best, it could also spark a tremendous white backlash and leave America's peaceful and moderately progressive racial consensus in tatters.
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<P>onyers himself isn't new to the reparations cause. Since 1989 he's repeatedly filed legislation calling for a national commission to examine the possibility of reparations and the form they might take. But he says the cause has lately acquired a new credibility. "Even a dozen years ago this was a marginalized issue," Conyers says. "[But] I see a great sea change going on.... Now people are beginning to say, `Yes, Congressman Conyers, this does deserve to be taken out and considered and resolved."
<P>Conyers is probably right. Long a hobbyhorse of Louis Farrakhan and his various deranged acolytes, the slavery-reparations movement has gained substantial momentum and academic credibility of late. Black leaders have watched with growing resentment as other wronged groups received apologies or paybacks from various governments. These include Japanese-Americans interned during World War II, who were awarded $20,000 apiece in 1988; Jewish Holocaust survivors, who have collected nearly $60 billion from the German government and are successfully seeking the return of looted wealth from the Swiss; and American Indians, who this summer received an apology for maltreatment from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Korean comfort women (from Japan), Aborigines (from Australia), Inuit (from Canada)—the list could go on and on (and, in the literature and on the websites of reparations activists, it does). Historical research has also made it easier for the descendants of slaves to trace their heritage and thus determine what their families might be owed and by whom. And the recent political and legal attacks on affirmative action have forced black politicians and activists to link racial preferences more explicitly to slavery, thus forming the intellectual foundation for reparations.
<P>As a result, the slavery-reparations movement now enjoys the formal support of 48 members of Congress, including nearly every member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and the naacp, where a spokesman calls Conyers's bill "a legislative priority." The city councils of Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Cleveland, and Washington have passed resolutions urging Congress to compensate the descendants of slaves, and Jesse Jackson urges payments from insurance companies tied to the slave trade. This February Harvard's Charles Ogletree and Henry Louis Gates Jr. said they were considering a class-action lawsuit to win reparations (<I>Harper</I>'s magazine reports that Ogletree has been in contact with Johnnie Cochran's law firm). Indeed, reparations have become so prominent an idea in black America that <FONT size=2>NAACP</FONT> officials report a rash of scams around the country in which blacks are told they are already eligible for reparations and asked to pay a fee to process the phony claim.
<P>Two books published this year are also gaining widespread attention in black political circles. Conyers himself cites <I>The Guilt of Nations</I>, by Claremont Graduate University Professor Elazar Barkan, who says reparations are part of an "evolving international norm of group and individual rights." More widely influential is <I>The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks</I>, by the prominent foreign policy lobbyist Randall Robinson, a hero of the U.S. anti-apartheid movement. Robinson's book--which calls for massive federal reparations on the grounds that "No race, no ethnic or religious group, has suffered so much over so long a span as blacks have, and do still, at the hands of those who benefited, with the connivance of the United States government, from slavery and the century of legalized American racial hostility that followed it"--has garnered effusive praise on the left. Writing in <I>The Atlantic Monthly</I>, Jack Beatty notes that "Randall Robinson's eloquent book—<I>The Fire Next Time</I>, perhaps, for this generation—could help to turn a mood into a movement." <I>The Nation</I> calls Robinson "a worthy heir to W.E.B. Du Bois." Black media outlets like <I>Emerge</I> and <I>Essence</I> magazines have similarly applauded the book, and Robinson says it has been the number-one best-seller in bookstores catering to blacks.
<P>As black and left-wing elites have embraced reparations, they have downplayed some of the loonier numbers produced by their more radical colleagues (for instance, <FONT size=2>N'COBRA</FONT>'s figure of $8 trillion). "People seem to me to be moving away from the position of financial remuneration," Conyers says. "People are thinking of more permanent things that can be done: education, health care, job opportunities, housing—things that are less tangible but in the long run might really help make us whole." Robinson suggests a trust fund that would pay for the education and economic development of black America. Massachusetts Representative Barney Frank, the Judiciary Committee's number-two Democrat, adds that money may not be involved at all: "I think the role of hearings ... would be quite frankly to generate support for appropriate affirmative action." Or, as Barkan writes: Through reparations "the identity of the victims is validated and given a political boost."
<P>But even if the reparations movement shifts away from the idea of federal checks and simply tries to use slavery as a more fundamental and compelling justification for vastly expanded affirmative action, its supporters miss a basic political reality. Part of the reason for America's current racial calm is precisely that affirmative action has been scaled back—often replaced by race-neutral programs such as those that admit the top ten percent of high school seniors regardless of race. For many white Americans, 30 years of affirmative action was reparations for slavery, and they now feel preferences should be gradually scaled back.
<P>When asked about reparations in his primary-season debate with Bill Bradley in Harlem, Al Gore said as much, pointing to affirmative action and his plans for education spending as compensation enough. And more conservative whites will likely see a serious push for broad reparations as the kind of kooky identity politics that chased them away from the Democratic Party in the 1980s. One hostile posting on the <FONT size=2>N'COBRA</FONT> website reads: "You should pay reparations to the ancesters [sic] of union troops who died to secure your freedom. My great grandfather being one of them. So send me your checks today." Even Democratic Representative Tony Hall of Ohio, who has been pushing for a formal congressional apology for slavery, notes that some members who privately support some kind of reparations "are a little bit afraid of it and don't want to deal with it right now.... The country hasn't moved far enough toward the issue to bring this up right now."
<P>But if Democrats win the seven seats they need to regain the congressional majority—and pollsters increasingly believe they will—Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers and his allies will bring it up nonetheless. At last month's forum, Representative Carrie Meek recalled how she used to plead with the last Democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Texas Representative Jack Brooks, to hold hearings on the subject. "I begged him to do something about reparations," Meek said. "But guess what? He isn't here anymore. Look who's in his seat." In the coming years, a more polarized America may be looking as well.
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Habib Diab Ghanim wrote:
> Ghadaffi must be aware of what is going on and he should be personally
> accountable for all these cold blooded murders.
Habib,
Are you serious when you claim that Ghadaffi should be held personally
responsible for these atrocities? What about all those animals passing
for humans who hunt down defencless black people and murder them? Has it
been stated anywhere that Ghadaffi personally gave orders for these
crimes to be committed.
This is a result of the contempt for black people that is inherent in all
Arab societies and should not be dismissed as the responsiblity of a
single person. I have lived and worked in Libya and I know what I'm
talking about. Ghadaffi is probably the most Black friendly Libyan that
ever lived, as is visible from the gains made by Black Libyans since he
came to power. Prior to the advent of the Ghadaffi era, Black Libyans
were no better off than what obtains with their brethren in Mauritania.
One cannot blame the Jewish state for crimes committed against Arabs and
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COTE D'IVOIRE: THE END AND THE BEGINNING
The developments in Cote D'Ivoire have lessons for countries in Africa in
particular and the World in general.
The fundamental lesson to draw is that where a people know what they want
and are organised to fight for it no force on earth will be able to block
them from achieving success. However, if short term solutions are sought for
long term problems immediate success is bound to be accompanied by new
complications. This is how matters stand in Cote D'Ivoire.
At first the people had assumed that the problem was general Guei. Now that
he is gone tension still remains in Cote D'Ivoire. What is responsible for
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My sympatic to Pa Ebra, Yama, Kumba, Sheriff and Yamundou John. May his soul
rest in perfect peace. AMEN.
Its my dad's brother Alagie Edi E. John.
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Mini,
If Sidi wants to run, here or at home, we will all pitch in and start
knocking on doors on his behalf.
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<< that is so funny uncle sidi.... you know i always tease katim that he will
be a better president than yaya jammeh. i told him that he should run for
president and make me an ambasador if he wins.
with katim as your media man, i guarantee you that you gonna win. we should
start working on it now, cause you never know what's gonna happen.
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It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
Colts...
They won as well, against the Lions...
Ginny
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Ginny,
We can't entertain traitors in our midst. Where is your Tennessee pride?
Good to see your presence on the list again after a long silence.
Jabou
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Sidi,
Your picture with IMF MD Horst Kohler and Nigerian Senator Kura Muhammad is a
good one.
Keep up the good work for Africa.
Beran
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Addressing head-on the common perception that Africa is hopelessly mired in
poverty and strife, the top official of the International Monetary Fund says
that Africa has the capacity to solve its problems.
In a speech that opened the Africa Forum 2000 in Washington DC, IMF Managing
Director Horst Kohler said Africa can solve its "homemade" problems of
corruption and conflict. But he linked the ability to do so to "faster, stronger
and better institutional support" from the world community. To obtain that
support, however, African nations must put into place the framework of good
governance, fair and accessible judicial systems, a consistent and transparent
regulatory framework and, most of all, a commitment to private sector
development, Kohler said.
He acknowledged the "downside elements of globalization" and said they must be
addressed, but he insisted that unless Africa is integrated into the global
community in a considered and sequenced approach, the continent will not be able
to achieve sustainable growth.
"We should not think Africa is lost," Kohler said. After visiting six African
nations in July, he found many reasons to be hopeful, among them the initiatives
of women. Despite formidable challenges he said, women "still worked
productively. They tried to solve problems. They didn't complain. They worked."
Even managing directors of international institutions need encouragement now and
then, Kohler said, and he found it among Africa's women.
The IMF chief said he is returning to Africa in February with World Bank
President James Wolfensohn. The visits, and the increasing attention the sister
organizations will be paying to African poverty issues, he said, show that
"there is commitment on our side."
Joining Kohler in cutting the ribbon that formally opened the conference was Sue
Esserman, the Deputy US Trade Representative, who read a statement by President
Bill Clinton <http://allafrica.com/stories/200010300407.html> . Strengthening
the American partnership with Africa has been one of the administration's top
priorities, the statement said.
The Forum is a five-day gathering sponsored by the World Bank Group-IMF Africa
Club, an association of African and Africa-interested staff of the international
financial organizations. Forum Coordinator Eric Chinje told journalists,
dignitaries and conference participants at the opening ceremonies that the event
is designed to support African economies by providing multiple platforms for
sharing information on critical issues, including trade, procurement, investment
and funding.
The Club scheduled Forum sessions on a range of issues including information
technology, infrastructure, energy, agribusiness, and health and
pharmaceuticals. In response to Africa's one-dimensional media image - as well
as the economic role cultural products can play - the Forum is also presenting
arts and artisanal productions, from documentaries and films to handicrafts.
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Daily Observer
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October 30, 2000
Banjul
The UDP's Lamin Juwara has asked President Yahya Jammeh to explain why Buba
Baldeh, a former minister of the overthrown PPP government, is allowed to
campaign for the APRC while Sheriff Dibba, Assan Camara, and Omar Jallow and
other PPP ministers, continue to be barred from dabbling in politics.
The UDP's Lamin Juwara has asked President Yahya Jammeh to explain why Buba
Baldeh, a former minister of the overthrown PPP government, is allowed to
campaign for the APRC while Sheriff Dibba, Assan Camara, and Omar Jallow and
other PPP ministers, continue to be barred from dabbling in politics.
Speaking at a rally at Kanifing, Saturday, Mr. Juwara called on all banned
politicians to "immediately unban themselves and participate in Gambian
politics."
Unfair elections The UDP propaganda secretary has urged the chairman of the
Independent Electoral Commission, Bishop S Tilewa Johnson, to ensure free and
fair elections in the forthcoming elections.
"I want to inform Tilewa Johnson that we will not settle for anything less than
a free and fair elections. If there is no free and fair election, we will
protest and whatever happened, Johnson will be held responsible," Juwara said.
He claimed that the last presidential election was characterised by electoral
fraud and massive vote- rigging. Juwara claimed the UDP candidate, Ousainou
Darboe, defeated APRC's Yahya Jammeh in the 1996 presidential election.
Juwara said his party will not allow a recurrence of the alleged 1996 electoral
fraud.
He cited Cote d'Ivoire where a popular uprising ousted the military ruler,
General Robert Guei, who declared himself winner when only eight per cent of the
votes cast were counted after a sham election. Juwara said, "A revolution has
taken place in Cote d'Ivoire. The same revolution will happen here." Juwara said
once the IEC announces election dates, his party will demand "equal access to
Radio Gambia and GRTS. We will start with that first before we go to the polls.
If there is no free and fair elections, whatever happened in this country, no
one should blame us for that. No one will cheat us again. No one can manipulate
elections in this country. We are ready to die for The Gambia. That is why we
are here," Juwara said.
Carrot and stick Addressing the meeting, Ousainou Darboe criticised President
Jammeh for saying on his recent OEMeet the People's Tour' that people who do not
vote for him (Jammeh) will not benefit from his development package.
Mr. Darboe also questioned the constitutional relevance of President Jammeh's by
saying it was a political tour de force .
"Under the constitution, President Jammeh is required to present himself as the
head of state of The Gambia while on the tour and not as APRC party leader. What
we have seen on this tour is that the APRC went on campaign.
They were not out to listen to farmers' needs and concerns, they went to find
votes, but people up-country will never give their votes to Yahya Jammeh again,"
Darboe said.
Darboe alleged that president Jammeh has not gone for tour for the past two
years and attributed this to farmers nuts not being purchased.
Darboe said he supported President Jammeh's statement that "the soldiers are our
sons, people should not belittle them, people should not insult them because
they are working for the government."
But he criticised the soldiers who took to the road at Yundum dancing, while
welcoming President Jammeh at the end of the first round of his tour.
He said a disciplined force should not behave in that manner. He urged the army
chief of staff, Colonel Baboucarr Jatta, to advise his personnel to desist from
meddling in partisan politics if they want to command respect from all Gambians.
Works Mr. Darboe said a UDP government will introduce an integrated urban
development project and nationwide infrastructural development projects.
The UDP leader also deplored the current road conditions in the country,
particularly in the Kanifing municipality.
He added that a UDP government will also address the energy crisis, by providing
"adequate and constant electricity."
He also deplored the recent demolition of beach bars.
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October 30, 2000
Banjul
Rumours surrounding the Auditor General's whereabouts have been laid to rest
after she called The Independent offices Friday morning to say that she was back
in The Gambia, performing her duties.
Fattoumatta Jallow explained that she returned Wednesday from official duties,
adding that rumour-mongers were trying to 'distract or divert' the peoples'
attention from the truth.
Ms Jallow added that due to the sensitive nature of her work, she has been away,
apparently engaged on official function. She denied reports that her office was
in crises. She noted that some disgruntled elements among her staff are just
interested in pursuing their own selfish interests. 'This is not good for
accountability. The conspiracy is so evident,' she quipped. She also revealed
that she was no longer 'Fattoumatta Jallow-Gaye' as was indicated by our story.
'I divorced years ago,' she said.
Her reaction came after numerous press reports claiming that the Auditor General
who traveled to the UK was yet to return home, prompting rumours that she had
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Ginny,
You've touched a raw nerve. I am for any team that starts with the name
Detroit. Lions, Pistons, Tigers, Red Wings. Never mind their record or who
was the last one to trounce them. Let the name just start with with Detroit,
period. College football? Michigan Wolverins naturally, although I hail from
Badger country. My son was the second string place kicker with Michigan for
one season.
Jabou, where do these Titans come from anyway. They must be an expansion
team. What ever happened to the Baltimore Colts, Los Angeles Rams, Oakland
Raiders, Cinniccinati Bengals, Cleveland Browns. I hope they are still
around or have they moved to other cities. As you can tell, I do not follow
the game as closely as I used to.
Sidi Sanneh
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>It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
>Colts...
> They won as well, against the Lions...
>Ginny
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> > Ginny don't be so 'quick' to judge your home team! The Titans are
> > going to kick butt!!! I will bet on it! What ya wanta bet? LOL ginny
> > I'm just teasing. I'll forgive you and so will the Titans!
> > You're right blindness has nothing to do with it! I was just joking!
> > We still love you!
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> > Love,
> > Jennifer Eidson
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Ginny , Jennifer and Jabou
You guys were just lucky to win but that game was definately Washingtons.
As I said earlier even ten seconds count in football
Congratulations again on your win.
Habib
Ginny Quick wrote:
> It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
> Colts...
> They won as well, against the Lions...
> Ginny
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: REDSKINS VS TITANS
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> > Ginny don't be so 'quick' to judge your home team! The Titans are
> > going to kick butt!!! I will bet on it! What ya wanta bet? LOL ginny
> > I'm just teasing. I'll forgive you and so will the Titans!
> > You're right blindness has nothing to do with it! I was just joking!
> > We still love you!
> >
> > Love,
> > Jennifer Eidson
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Amadou I do not know if Ghaddaffi personally gave orders but I know that he could have done something to stop
the killings just as the Jewish leadership or the other Arab leaders share the same responsibility in this
matter.
I made a point and it is mine only and that is how I feel . You may have a different opinion of Ghaddaffi
but as far as I am concerned he has multiple personalities and those kinds of people are dangerous
Have a good day brother
Habib
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> Habib Diab Ghanim wrote:
>
> > Ghadaffi must be aware of what is going on and he should be personally
> > accountable for all these cold blooded murders.
>
> Habib,
>
> Are you serious when you claim that Ghadaffi should be held personally
> responsible for these atrocities? What about all those animals passing
> for humans who hunt down defencless black people and murder them? Has it
> been stated anywhere that Ghadaffi personally gave orders for these
> crimes to be committed.
>
> This is a result of the contempt for black people that is inherent in all
> Arab societies and should not be dismissed as the responsiblity of a
> single person. I have lived and worked in Libya and I know what I'm
> talking about. Ghadaffi is probably the most Black friendly Libyan that
> ever lived, as is visible from the gains made by Black Libyans since he
> came to power. Prior to the advent of the Ghadaffi era, Black Libyans
> were no better off than what obtains with their brethren in Mauritania.
>
> One cannot blame the Jewish state for crimes committed against Arabs and
> try to ascribe blame to a single individual when those same crimes are
> committed by Arabs against Blacks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kabir.
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Libyan Brutality
Habib and Amadou allow me to jump in your debate to contribute my piece. I'm not
an admirer of
Ghaddaffi for various reasons and I know that most Arabs look down on black
Africans and generally
refer to us as "bilal". My problem is why our African leaders are not condemning
the atrocities
on our people. Is it because of the money?If your own leaders don't respect you
how the hell do
you expect to be respected by others.
Thanks for allowing me to butt in.
Beran
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Gambian EvacueesAllegeLibyan Brutality
Amadou I do not know if Ghaddaffi personally gave orders but I
know that he could have done something to stop
the killings just as the Jewish leadership or the other Arab
leaders share the same responsibility in this
matter.
I made a point and it is mine only and that is how I feel . You
may have a different opinion of Ghaddaffi
but as far as I am concerned he has multiple personalities and
those kinds of people are dangerous
Have a good day brother
Habib
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> Habib Diab Ghanim wrote:
>
> > Ghadaffi must be aware of what is going on and he should be
personally
> > accountable for all these cold blooded murders.
>
> Habib,
>
> Are you serious when you claim that Ghadaffi should be held
personally
> responsible for these atrocities? What about all those animals
passing
> for humans who hunt down defencless black people and murder
them? Has it
> been stated anywhere that Ghadaffi personally gave orders for
these
> crimes to be committed.
>
> This is a result of the contempt for black people that is
inherent in all
> Arab societies and should not be dismissed as the
responsiblity of a
> single person. I have lived and worked in Libya and I know
what I'm
> talking about. Ghadaffi is probably the most Black friendly
Libyan that
> ever lived, as is visible from the gains made by Black Libyans
since he
> came to power. Prior to the advent of the Ghadaffi era, Black
Libyans
> were no better off than what obtains with their brethren in
Mauritania.
>
> One cannot blame the Jewish state for crimes committed against
Arabs and
> try to ascribe blame to a single individual when those same
crimes are
> committed by Arabs against Blacks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kabir.
>
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Fellow "L'ers", I need the exact day and month of the
1994 coup. Please send it to me ASAP. Thanks in advance.
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E EXACT DATE OF THE AFPRC COUP D'ETAT IN 1994?
July 22nd 1994
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Fellow "L'ers", I need the exact day and month of the
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The exact day and date of the July coup was on Friday the 22 /7/94.
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> Fellow "L'ers", I need the exact day and month of the
> 1994 coup. Please send it to me ASAP. Thanks in advance.
>
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My Fellow African Brothers interested in peace on the Planet could you
kindly send to this forum information on African Student unions.In an
effort to link world youths the united nations mellenium youth forum
is in grave need of contact organisations that can reach the largest
youth populations in Africa.
All we need their :
1.Adressses
2.contact personal
3.Phone numbers
$. any relevant information on activeties.
Global Mellenium youth forum and action.
kalilu camara
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>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:29:09 +0200
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>Samateh Julakaliamang,
>
>Thanks to your respond as you note it engel Aisha,Who i think must have
>been cautioned by people in the Gambia who are saving their own skins or
>positions,Negletting reallities thats' reflecting on our people in Africa
>particularly Gambia not forgetting the buchering of our young lads on april
>10-11,And arresting my dear friend (Wildeh) Dumo Saho unjustly,Should be
>freed on conditionally to express his political conciosness in anyway
>necessary.Lets' hope for his freedom soon,And i hope Aisha will join us to
>condem the crimes been comitted by Jammeh and his tycoons in Gambia,And not
>blaming the contributors to G/L.She has to be pragmatic.
>
>For Democracy
>Fye.F.Samateh.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saikou Samateh" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:06 AM
>Subject: Re: CRYING PEACE!!!!
>
>
> > Aisah,
> > This your "Congo"man could really enjoy Africa,it is much more to say
>that
> > he did not want to leave the comfort of Europe.Yes you have been
>monitoring
> > the G/l and all you have been reading is a cry for unrest in the
> > Gambia,are you Angel Aisha-come save Gambia through G/L,welcome
>Angel.But as
> > you know it was not the people in the G/L who were responsible for April
> > 10,this event was as a result of the fascist rule in our country,you did
>not
> > even read here to know what some of the contributors in this forum have
>been
> > doing to help the victims of April 10th or it does not interest you
>?check
> > the mails from sisters Sigga and do you your calculations again,we
>better
> > talk now before it is too late,before another April 10,before another
> > Congo.How can people just demand that we should be passive onlookers to
>the
> > detonating condition in our dear land?Do you need to use your energy to
>call
> > on us for peace ?are we the people shooting at defenceless students ?
>are we
> > detaining people for months without given them the chance to let their
>case
> > be heard ? are we the founders of July 22 movement,did we set any radio
> > station on fire ?
> > And then my dear Aisha wrote;
> > "....all the messages I have been getting from here is,if I sum it up it
> > would be a cry for political-cultural-and tribal unrest in the Gambia.I
> > might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here..."
> >
> > You cant just accuse us with such serious charges and then apologise for
>it,
> > such activities do qualify for treason charges.Did you read here that
>Dr
> > Saine have been asking Katim to cut the heads of people like Karamba
> > because they belong to another tribe.With all the literary works,with
>all
> > the fine political analysis and debate,with all the personal
> > communications,with all the books from GESO to Gambian students,with all
>the
> > infor on jobs and scholarship in this forum,all that you can "sum
> > up.....from here" is civil unrest,you must be a very bad matamatician
>Your
> > treason charges against us is no call for peace but a threat to peace.
> >
> > For Freedom
> > Saiks
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aisha Sallah <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:16 PM
> > Subject: CRYING PEACE!!!!
> >
> >
> > > I must say that I have long been monitoring the G-L, until recently
>when I
> > > decided to join. I regret to say that since the G-L started up to this
>day
> > > today, all the message I have been getting from here is, if I sum it
>up it
> > > would be a cry for political- cultural- and tribal unrest in the
>Gambia. I
> > > might be wrong but sorry this is what I can summarize from here.
> > >
> > > Have we ever stop to think what a hell the Gambia will break into if
>hell
> > > breaks loose, isn't July 30 1980 and April 10 2000 enough to teach us
> > > lessons, must we seek for a third lesson how will that be? Can we
>predict
> > > it? Must we become victims of our very selves? How long do we think it
> > would
> > > take us to build up again or do we maybe believe that the others will
>come
> > > to our aid and make a marshal plan for us? So long I have only seen
>this
> > > happen in Europe. Worst cases are still going on in Africa never has
>any
> > > member of the UN come to aide the suffering all the sympathy we get is
> > poor
> > > africa again lets give them some secondhand things and some crack
>wheat
> > > that's enough for them they aren't worth better.
> > > Let me just quote a message from a Congolese(Zaire) whom I met and
>what he
> > > said did really touch my heart. This is what he said "I became refugee
> > from
> > > the time Mobutu gain power, when Mobutu died I taught I could walk
>back
> > home
> > > but before I was able to grab my things to head home, hell fire broke
>out
> > > again in Congo. Now I'm 65 years old, I spent all my precious time in
> > > Europe, when will I enjoy africa?"
> > >
> > > What I'm trying to say is that the democracy that we are looking for
>does
> > > not exist anywhere in this world but we can build our democracy by
>being
> > > there investing, contributing and educating the people rather than
> > shouting
> > > from the far east for the people to take up democracy in a violent
>way.
> > >
> > > Pardon me if anyone feels insulted by my little contribution here, I
>did
> > not
> > > mean to, I'm just crying for peace.
> > >
> > > /Aisha
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Councilman Elect, Mr. Bakary Bojang:
Congrats! you do us proud.
And to those who have lost loved ones, my heartfelt condolences. May
their passing strengthen you and all of us.
Regards,
Abdoulaye
Abdoulaye
Ousman Bojang wrote:
>
> It is interesting what democracy could bring.
> Bakary Simon Bojang originally from the Gambia and been in Finland since 1989
> has won a City council election and will be serving his city Lappeenranta for
> a four year term.
> For those who might not know Baks, he is a dormant member of this forum. He
> was born in Brikama and left the Gambia like most of us for greener pastures
> and have always been interested in politics. He has been a member of the City
> of Lappeenranta cultural affairs committee board and second member of the
> city council. He will be taking his new position on November 1st.
> Bakary, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. Remember to put the
> interest of your people first. My best regards to you and your family.
>
> Ousman Bojang.
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Thank you very much
This precisely my point. Why are our African leaders quiet?? Are they paid by the sick Mumar Ghaddaffi to do
so or they just fall into the category of the other bad Arab or jewish leaders who sit and allow the
killings.!!
If an American is even hurt or kidnapped the US Government not only warns the other country involved ,it
actually does something about the welfare of it's citizens.
There are good and bad people everywhere including our very own midst but it is right to be silent when there
atrocities occur/ -hell no
As long as I did not commit the crimes brother kabir claims ,i am not guilty by association nor is he but we
must stop it somehow by protesting and writing if necessary
thanks again for your question brother Beran
habib
"Jeng, Beran" wrote:
> Habib and Amadou allow me to jump in your debate to contribute my piece. I'm not
> an admirer of
> Ghaddaffi for various reasons and I know that most Arabs look down on black
> Africans and generally
> refer to us as "bilal". My problem is why our African leaders are not condemning
> the atrocities
> on our people. Is it because of the money?If your own leaders don't respect you
> how the hell do
> you expect to be respected by others.
>
> Thanks for allowing me to butt in.
>
> Beran
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: Fw: Following 'Ordeal' in North Africa
> Gambian EvacueesAllegeLibyan Brutality
>
> Amadou I do not know if Ghaddaffi personally gave orders but I
> know that he could have done something to stop
> the killings just as the Jewish leadership or the other Arab
> leaders share the same responsibility in this
> matter.
>
> I made a point and it is mine only and that is how I feel . You
> may have a different opinion of Ghaddaffi
> but as far as I am concerned he has multiple personalities and
> those kinds of people are dangerous
>
> Have a good day brother
>
> Habib
>
> Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
>
> > Habib Diab Ghanim wrote:
> >
> > > Ghadaffi must be aware of what is going on and he should be
> personally
> > > accountable for all these cold blooded murders.
> >
> > Habib,
> >
> > Are you serious when you claim that Ghadaffi should be held
> personally
> > responsible for these atrocities? What about all those animals
> passing
> > for humans who hunt down defencless black people and murder
> them? Has it
> > been stated anywhere that Ghadaffi personally gave orders for
> these
> > crimes to be committed.
> >
> > This is a result of the contempt for black people that is
> inherent in all
> > Arab societies and should not be dismissed as the
> responsiblity of a
> > single person. I have lived and worked in Libya and I know
> what I'm
> > talking about. Ghadaffi is probably the most Black friendly
> Libyan that
> > ever lived, as is visible from the gains made by Black Libyans
> since he
> > came to power. Prior to the advent of the Ghadaffi era, Black
> Libyans
> > were no better off than what obtains with their brethren in
> Mauritania.
> >
> > One cannot blame the Jewish state for crimes committed against
> Arabs and
> > try to ascribe blame to a single individual when those same
> crimes are
> > committed by Arabs against Blacks.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:23:25 +0100
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22nd July 1994
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> Fellow "L'ers", I need the exact day and month of the
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Thanks Beran for forwarding this. This is good advise from Juwara. Those
meek politicians that let Yaya ban them should have defied the ban a long
time ago. Instead of taking the government to court to try and prove a
negative, they should have simply engaged in political activities and see if
the government will take them to court. That is how you fight that piece of
legislative thrash that tried to ban politicians. That law is toilet paper
and should not endure in court. The politicians it affected should just go
ahead and participate in politics and see what is going to happen to them.
The government cannot use the decree to stop the politicians from
participating. Rather than taking the government to court and seeking a
declaration, the opposition politicians should make the government the
aggressor by forcing the government to take them to court and try and rely
on a clearly unconstitutional piece of garbage.
Am also glad that UDP is willing to hold the IEC partly responsible for what
is going to happen in the next elections. If Johnson is not up to the job,
he should resign now. This time around, even if Yaya puts a gun to his head,
he should not allow the military to rig the elections. The opposition should
put the IEC in between a rock and a hard place. If the IEC wants to play
ball with the military, the people should pounce on both the IEC and Yaya.
Under no circumstances should the opposition let Johnson impose on them the
ridiculous campaigning rules he is imposing on the contestants in the Sami
elections. We should continue to fight Yaya and his collaborators every step
of the way.
KB
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>Juwara Urges Others to Defy Ban
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>Daily Observer
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>October 30, 2000
>Banjul
>The UDP's Lamin Juwara has asked President Yahya Jammeh to explain why Buba
>Baldeh, a former minister of the overthrown PPP government, is allowed to
>campaign for the APRC while Sheriff Dibba, Assan Camara, and Omar Jallow
>and
>other PPP ministers, continue to be barred from dabbling in politics.
>The UDP's Lamin Juwara has asked President Yahya Jammeh to explain why Buba
>Baldeh, a former minister of the overthrown PPP government, is allowed to
>campaign for the APRC while Sheriff Dibba, Assan Camara, and Omar Jallow
>and
>other PPP ministers, continue to be barred from dabbling in politics.
>Speaking at a rally at Kanifing, Saturday, Mr. Juwara called on all banned
>politicians to "immediately unban themselves and participate in Gambian
>politics."
>Unfair elections The UDP propaganda secretary has urged the chairman of the
>Independent Electoral Commission, Bishop S Tilewa Johnson, to ensure free
>and
>fair elections in the forthcoming elections.
>"I want to inform Tilewa Johnson that we will not settle for anything less
>than
>a free and fair elections. If there is no free and fair election, we will
>protest and whatever happened, Johnson will be held responsible," Juwara
>said.
>He claimed that the last presidential election was characterised by
>electoral
>fraud and massive vote- rigging. Juwara claimed the UDP candidate, Ousainou
>Darboe, defeated APRC's Yahya Jammeh in the 1996 presidential election.
>Juwara said his party will not allow a recurrence of the alleged 1996
>electoral
>fraud.
>He cited Cote d'Ivoire where a popular uprising ousted the military ruler,
>General Robert Guei, who declared himself winner when only eight per cent
>of the
>votes cast were counted after a sham election. Juwara said, "A revolution
>has
>taken place in Cote d'Ivoire. The same revolution will happen here." Juwara
>said
>once the IEC announces election dates, his party will demand "equal access
>to
>Radio Gambia and GRTS. We will start with that first before we go to the
>polls.
>If there is no free and fair elections, whatever happened in this country,
>no
>one should blame us for that. No one will cheat us again. No one can
>manipulate
>elections in this country. We are ready to die for The Gambia. That is why
>we
>are here," Juwara said.
>Carrot and stick Addressing the meeting, Ousainou Darboe criticised
>President
>Jammeh for saying on his recent OEMeet the People's Tour' that people who
>do not
>vote for him (Jammeh) will not benefit from his development package.
>Mr. Darboe also questioned the constitutional relevance of President
>Jammeh's by
>saying it was a political tour de force .
>"Under the constitution, President Jammeh is required to present himself as
>the
>head of state of The Gambia while on the tour and not as APRC party leader.
>What
>we have seen on this tour is that the APRC went on campaign.
>They were not out to listen to farmers' needs and concerns, they went to
>find
>votes, but people up-country will never give their votes to Yahya Jammeh
>again,"
>Darboe said.
>Darboe alleged that president Jammeh has not gone for tour for the past two
>years and attributed this to farmers nuts not being purchased.
>Darboe said he supported President Jammeh's statement that "the soldiers
>are our
>sons, people should not belittle them, people should not insult them
>because
>they are working for the government."
>But he criticised the soldiers who took to the road at Yundum dancing,
>while
>welcoming President Jammeh at the end of the first round of his tour.
>He said a disciplined force should not behave in that manner. He urged the
>army
>chief of staff, Colonel Baboucarr Jatta, to advise his personnel to desist
>from
>meddling in partisan politics if they want to command respect from all
>Gambians.
>Works Mr. Darboe said a UDP government will introduce an integrated urban
>development project and nationwide infrastructural development projects.
>The UDP leader also deplored the current road conditions in the country,
>particularly in the Kanifing municipality.
>He added that a UDP government will also address the energy crisis, by
>providing
>"adequate and constant electricity."
>He also deplored the recent demolition of beach bars.
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:03:37 GMT
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Ginny, Jabou and Bro. Habib,
As the new NBA season kicks off, it is in order to pause and pay homage to
the African-American pioneers of what it now the NBA . These trail blazers
made it possible for the late Wilt Chamberlains, the Karim Abdul-Jabbahs
(the inventor of the sky-hook and the man responsible for the NCAA to ban
dunking at the college level which was subsequently lifted), the Dr. Js, the
Dave Bings, the Michael Jordans to play, refine and, in the process, define
the game to what it is today. The list comes on. Tribute also goes the
African-American pioneers of MLB of the likes of Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron
and many more who played the game under the harshest and most hostile of
conditions. Below is the story of one such pioneer of professional
basketball, as we enjoy the season opener. Sidi Sanneh
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NEW YORK, Oct 27 (AFP) - While America are to celebrate Halloween
Tuesday,
the National Basketball Association will open its 2000-2001 season. It is
also
the 50th anniversary of Earl Lloyd becoming the first African-American to
play
in an NBA game.
Lloyd, who was part of a teleconference call here Friday, remembered the
landmark game.
"It was totally and unequivocally uneventful," he said.
A man with a sense of humor, he added: "It was Halloween, maybe they (the
crowd) thought I was a goblin or something."
The game was played in Rochester, New York.
"There could not have been a better place to play the game. In the 1950s
it
was integrated and a sleepy New York town," Lloyd said.
On Tuesday, Lloyd, who played with the Washington Capitols, the late
Chuck
Cooper and the late Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton and Hank DeZonie will be
honored
here at Madison Square Garden before the New York Kicks-Philadelphia 76ers
game.
Lloyd will take part in a ceremonial opening tip and will be joined in
pre-game introductions by DeZonie, Clifton's daughter, Anita Brown, and
Cooper's son, Chuck Jr., and widow, Irva.
Cooper was the first to be drafted by the Boston Celtics and Clifton was
the first to sign a contract with New York.
DeZonie played five games in 1950 with the Tri-Cities Blackhawks, now the
Atlanta Hawks.
Lloyd said he could not recall much about the first game, except his team
lost.
After the game he said the team went back to the hotel where he was
allowed
to stay in the rooms, but not to eat at the restaurant.
"I went to Coach 'Bones' McKinley's suite and saw sandwiches and beer. If
this happens when we lose ...," said Lloyd.
He said that McKinley was "very special to me" because he was sympathetic
to what African-Americans were going through at the time. "He said, 'I can't
change it,'" said Lloyd.
The two would eat their meals in his room when they were on the road.
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:29:36 -0600
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Hello, Hamjatta,
I also believe that not only black people in America should receive =
reparations, but Africans as well. Why not? It only seems logical to =
me, since I feel that the European countries which colonized Africa =
benefited greatly from Africa, at the expense of the Africans who lived =
there.
It could be argued that Europe, and America, as well, were made =
rich by Africans and in the case of America, African slaves and their =
descendants.
Not only that, as the article states, at one point, black people in =
America not only had to deal with slavery but also had to deal with =
another 100 or so years of racial segregation and second-class =
citizenship.
I do not see 30 yearsof affirmative action in this country as =
"compensation" for the 400 or so years in which black people were =
ensalved, and Africa was colonized.
I think that if others such as Jewish people and Japanese Americans =
are receiving reparations for wrongs don to them, reparations for =
descendants of slaves should definitely be considered.
Ginny
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Subject: Reparations For Black Slavery/Holocaust?
This is from The New Republic. It seems reparations for Blacks at any =
rate in America is finally finding a voice in mainstream America and =
within the political class albeit the snail pace as the piece below from =
TNR Online suggests. Anyway, i found The New Republic article not only =
very interesting and promising, but equally and egregiously dismissive, =
complacent and relaxed in a subtle manner about the very idea or indeed =
plausibility of reparation for Blacks. Coming from The New Republic - a =
journal that fought tooth and nail for reparations for the Jewish =
Holocaust and Jewish-interst-politics leaning -, it would be that rare =
avatar of richness. I hope you guys do find it a good read as i did and =
if there is any way that you can fight for reparations, please do join =
the fray. =20
Above all, i hope they give US our money. I mean not only Blacks in =
America. But Blacks in Africa who also suffered half as much as those =
who were carried away. Hey, make no mistake about it, i might not have =
been directly affected by the physical and psychological traumas of =
slavery but i suffered too at any rate economically, politically, and =
culturally. And those trillions of dollars being mooted do not belong to =
only Blacks in America but arguably and indeed, emotionally to Blacks in =
Africa as well. The Kunta Kintehs' they carried off to America were =
bread winners and left families home who depended on them who not only =
lost out emotionally but financially because of their forced absence =
Callous but logical. The logic as it is, is sui generis. So the argument =
is this: If decescendants of Kinteh in America like the Haleys can =
claim compensation for slavery, why not the Kinteh branch in say, =
Juffureh? Or where ever they happen to be now.
A wry humour here: Since Sidi looks forward to career change as =
another Bakary Simon Bojang in the US, i hope you take up your seat =
early enough to be able to stress the case for reparations for Black =
victims in Africa as well who are still lanquishing economically, =
politically, socially and above all, psychologically from the effects of =
slavery.=20
Good Day Everyone,
Hamjatta Kanteh
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ON THE HILL
Debt Relief
by Michael Crowley
Post date 10.26.00 | Issue date 11.06.00 =20
Sam Anderson, a gaunt man with a large, frizzy gray beard, is =
holding up a copy of his documentary comic book, The Black Holocaust for =
Beginners. Before a small but enthusiastic audience, Anderson, a leader =
of the Black Radical Congress, rails against the "Western imperialist, =
capitalist powers and corporations that have benefited from slavery." He =
is followed by a man from something called the Center for Constitutional =
Rights, who furiously names names: "Barclays Bank, Lloyds of London-all =
of these companies come directly out of the surplus property generated =
by the slave trade." Adjua Aiyetoro of the National Coalition of Blacks =
for Reparations in America (N'COBRA) denounces white doctors who ignore =
the health complaints of their black patients and attributes this and =
countless other evils to the legacy of slavery. "They robbed and raped =
Africa like they robbed and raped all the ancestors who came over here," =
says Aiyetoro, filling the room with a shout of well-honed indignation. =
"We will win reparations! We won't give up!"=20
Welcome to the epicenter of the slavery-reparations movement. =
After languishing for years on the far margins of political debate, the =
question of whether the federal government should compensate =
blacks-either through direct cash payments to descendants of slaves or =
through broader social programs or trust funds-may be coming soon to =
front pages near you. For while Aiyetoro's rants sound like the sort of =
futile venting you'd find at a Nation of Islam rally or an Afrocentric =
college, he uttered them last month on Capitol Hill, in the decorous =
hearing room of the House Judiciary Committee.=20
How can that be? Don't conservative Republicans like Henry Hyde =
and the House impeachment managers run the Judiciary Committee? Yes, but =
its ranking Democrat is Detroit Representative John Conyers, who, like =
many unabashed liberals waiting quietly offstage, will become a powerful =
committee chairman if Democrats win back the House in November, as many =
political oddsmakers expect. Last month's event was informal; =
Republicans would never allow such a hearing to occur officially on =
their watch. But if Conyers, who has quietly championed reparations for =
years, does become chairman, he will use his committee platform to take =
the issue mainstream. "I can assure you that he will take this [issue] =
up" if Democrats prevail, says Conyers staffer Cynthia Martin. "There =
will be action."=20
That's good news for the growing number of black activists, =
intellectuals, and politicians who believe the federal government should =
pay massive reparations to the descendants of African slaves. Whether =
it's good news for American race relations is another matter. Racial =
politics are more placid today than they have been in years, if not =
decades. The current presidential campaign has been almost entirely =
unblemished by Willie Horton-style demagoguery. Affirmative action and =
political correctness no longer raise tempers the way they did in the =
early '90s. Crime, welfare, and unemployment rates have plunged, =
bringing white fear and resentment down with them. Perhaps the calm =
simply masks white complacency and black cynicism, and public debate =
about the ugliest chapter in American history might produce a deeper =
healing. But, given that even a mere presidential apology for slavery =
remains unutterable and white support for affirmative action is grudging =
at best, it could also spark a tremendous white backlash and leave =
America's peaceful and moderately progressive racial consensus in =
tatters.=20
=20
onyers himself isn't new to the reparations cause. Since 1989 =
he's repeatedly filed legislation calling for a national commission to =
examine the possibility of reparations and the form they might take. But =
he says the cause has lately acquired a new credibility. "Even a dozen =
years ago this was a marginalized issue," Conyers says. "[But] I see a =
great sea change going on.... Now people are beginning to say, `Yes, =
Congressman Conyers, this does deserve to be taken out and considered =
and resolved."=20
Conyers is probably right. Long a hobbyhorse of Louis Farrakhan =
and his various deranged acolytes, the slavery-reparations movement has =
gained substantial momentum and academic credibility of late. Black =
leaders have watched with growing resentment as other wronged groups =
received apologies or paybacks from various governments. These include =
Japanese-Americans interned during World War II, who were awarded =
$20,000 apiece in 1988; Jewish Holocaust survivors, who have collected =
nearly $60 billion from the German government and are successfully =
seeking the return of looted wealth from the Swiss; and American =
Indians, who this summer received an apology for maltreatment from the =
Bureau of Indian Affairs. Korean comfort women (from Japan), Aborigines =
(from Australia), Inuit (from Canada)-the list could go on and on (and, =
in the literature and on the websites of reparations activists, it =
does). Historical research has also made it easier for the descendants =
of slaves to trace their heritage and thus determine what their families =
might be owed and by whom. And the recent political and legal attacks on =
affirmative action have forced black politicians and activists to link =
racial preferences more explicitly to slavery, thus forming the =
intellectual foundation for reparations.=20
As a result, the slavery-reparations movement now enjoys the =
formal support of 48 members of Congress, including nearly every member =
of the Congressional Black Caucus, and the naacp, where a spokesman =
calls Conyers's bill "a legislative priority." The city councils of =
Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Cleveland, and Washington have passed =
resolutions urging Congress to compensate the descendants of slaves, and =
Jesse Jackson urges payments from insurance companies tied to the slave =
trade. This February Harvard's Charles Ogletree and Henry Louis Gates =
Jr. said they were considering a class-action lawsuit to win reparations =
(Harper's magazine reports that Ogletree has been in contact with =
Johnnie Cochran's law firm). Indeed, reparations have become so =
prominent an idea in black America that NAACP officials report a rash of =
scams around the country in which blacks are told they are already =
eligible for reparations and asked to pay a fee to process the phony =
claim.=20
Two books published this year are also gaining widespread =
attention in black political circles. Conyers himself cites The Guilt of =
Nations, by Claremont Graduate University Professor Elazar Barkan, who =
says reparations are part of an "evolving international norm of group =
and individual rights." More widely influential is The Debt: What =
America Owes to Blacks, by the prominent foreign policy lobbyist Randall =
Robinson, a hero of the U.S. anti-apartheid movement. Robinson's =
book--which calls for massive federal reparations on the grounds that =
"No race, no ethnic or religious group, has suffered so much over so =
long a span as blacks have, and do still, at the hands of those who =
benefited, with the connivance of the United States government, from =
slavery and the century of legalized American racial hostility that =
followed it"--has garnered effusive praise on the left. Writing in The =
Atlantic Monthly, Jack Beatty notes that "Randall Robinson's eloquent =
book-The Fire Next Time, perhaps, for this generation-could help to turn =
a mood into a movement." The Nation calls Robinson "a worthy heir to =
W.E.B. Du Bois." Black media outlets like Emerge and Essence magazines =
have similarly applauded the book, and Robinson says it has been the =
number-one best-seller in bookstores catering to blacks.=20
As black and left-wing elites have embraced reparations, they =
have downplayed some of the loonier numbers produced by their more =
radical colleagues (for instance, N'COBRA's figure of $8 trillion). =
"People seem to me to be moving away from the position of financial =
remuneration," Conyers says. "People are thinking of more permanent =
things that can be done: education, health care, job opportunities, =
housing-things that are less tangible but in the long run might really =
help make us whole." Robinson suggests a trust fund that would pay for =
the education and economic development of black America. Massachusetts =
Representative Barney Frank, the Judiciary Committee's number-two =
Democrat, adds that money may not be involved at all: "I think the role =
of hearings ... would be quite frankly to generate support for =
appropriate affirmative action." Or, as Barkan writes: Through =
reparations "the identity of the victims is validated and given a =
political boost."=20
But even if the reparations movement shifts away from the idea =
of federal checks and simply tries to use slavery as a more fundamental =
and compelling justification for vastly expanded affirmative action, its =
supporters miss a basic political reality. Part of the reason for =
America's current racial calm is precisely that affirmative action has =
been scaled back-often replaced by race-neutral programs such as those =
that admit the top ten percent of high school seniors regardless of =
race. For many white Americans, 30 years of affirmative action was =
reparations for slavery, and they now feel preferences should be =
gradually scaled back.=20
When asked about reparations in his primary-season debate with =
Bill Bradley in Harlem, Al Gore said as much, pointing to affirmative =
action and his plans for education spending as compensation enough. And =
more conservative whites will likely see a serious push for broad =
reparations as the kind of kooky identity politics that chased them away =
from the Democratic Party in the 1980s. One hostile posting on the =
N'COBRA website reads: "You should pay reparations to the ancesters =
[sic] of union troops who died to secure your freedom. My great =
grandfather being one of them. So send me your checks today." Even =
Democratic Representative Tony Hall of Ohio, who has been pushing for a =
formal congressional apology for slavery, notes that some members who =
privately support some kind of reparations "are a little bit afraid of =
it and don't want to deal with it right now.... The country hasn't moved =
far enough toward the issue to bring this up right now."=20
But if Democrats win the seven seats they need to regain the =
congressional majority-and pollsters increasingly believe they =
will-Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers and his allies will bring it =
up nonetheless. At last month's forum, Representative Carrie Meek =
recalled how she used to plead with the last Democratic chairman of the =
Judiciary Committee, Texas Representative Jack Brooks, to hold hearings =
on the subject. "I begged him to do something about reparations," Meek =
said. "But guess what? He isn't here anymore. Look who's in his seat." =
In the coming years, a more polarized America may be looking as well.=20
MICHAEL CROWLEY is an associate editor at TNR.=20
=20
=20
Andrew Sullivan on why Gore's in trouble
Sam and Cokie, this weak
On the trail with the manic Gore campaign
The twenty-first century belongs to Manhattan
Dot-conflicted in San Francisco
George Bush, likable extremist
Don't take Gore's populism too seriously
=20
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Washington Diarist: Assets
Leon Wieseltier on the futility of Holocaust reparations.
White Man Talking
Jason Zengerle on Bill Bradley's outdated approach to race =
relations.=20
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Hello, Jabou! I am no traitor, I like the Titans. However, I am from
Indiana, and thus am and have been a Colts fan.
I remember when the first came to Indy, and they couldn't win a game.
It is nice to see them doing well.
When the Titans first came to Tennessee, I remember listening to 104.5,
the station that had the games, and on their morning show, they had the man
who was going to do the Titans radio broadcasts. One of the things he said
was that the Titans weren't going to be like the Colts were when they first
moved to Indy.
That was interesting, but he was speaking the truth, the Colts were
pretty bad.
Anyway, as far as my long siles goes, I have been very busy, looking
for work and preparing to move. I am moving to Indiana, just southeast of
Chicago. East Chicago, to be exact.
I am moving a week from this Friday. My brother is helping me. Since,
you know, I can't drive, (ha ha!)
Anyway, I have friends up there, and I like the area. There are more
job opportunites, and public transporation is better. I only hope Abby
adjusts OK. I will have to train her to ride the trains, though.
Anyway, take care, sorry for the long message!
Go Titans! Colts!!!
And Pacers!!!!!
Maybe I should say Go Bulls!!! For good measure!
Take care all!
Ginny
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: REDSKINS VS TITANS
> In a message dated 10/31/00 1:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> <<
> It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
> Colts...
> They won as well, against the Lions...
> Ginny
> >>
> ***************************
> Ginny,
>
> We can't entertain traitors in our midst. Where is your Tennessee pride?
> Good to see your presence on the list again after a long silence.
>
> Jabou
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Sidi, the Indianapolis Colts used to be the Baltimore Colts. The Titans
used to be the Oilers.
Yes, as you can see, many of the teams have moved...
Ginny
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:22 AM
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> Ginny,
>
> You've touched a raw nerve. I am for any team that starts with the name
> Detroit. Lions, Pistons, Tigers, Red Wings. Never mind their record or
who
> was the last one to trounce them. Let the name just start with with
Detroit,
> period. College football? Michigan Wolverins naturally, although I hail
from
> Badger country. My son was the second string place kicker with Michigan
for
> one season.
>
> Jabou, where do these Titans come from anyway. They must be an expansion
> team. What ever happened to the Baltimore Colts, Los Angeles Rams, Oakland
> Raiders, Cinniccinati Bengals, Cleveland Browns. I hope they are still
> around or have they moved to other cities. As you can tell, I do not
follow
> the game as closely as I used to.
>
> Sidi Sanneh
>
>
> >From: Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]>
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> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: REDSKINS VS TITANS
> >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:15:37 -0600
> >
> >It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
> >Colts...
> > They won as well, against the Lions...
> >Ginny
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "JENNIFER EIDSON" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:14 PM
> >Subject: Re: REDSKINS VS TITANS
> >
> >
> > > Ginny don't be so 'quick' to judge your home team! The Titans are
> > > going to kick butt!!! I will bet on it! What ya wanta bet? LOL
ginny
> > > I'm just teasing. I'll forgive you and so will the Titans!
> > > You're right blindness has nothing to do with it! I was just joking!
> > > We still love you!
> > >
> > > Love,
> > > Jennifer Eidson
> > >
> > >
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Sidi, this is very interesting indeed. Definitely, a good idea to pause and
remember those who made it possible for the ones who are successful today...
Thanks.
Ginny
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Subject: NBA to honour African-American pioneers
> Ginny, Jabou and Bro. Habib,
>
> As the new NBA season kicks off, it is in order to pause and pay homage to
> the African-American pioneers of what it now the NBA . These trail
blazers
> made it possible for the late Wilt Chamberlains, the Karim Abdul-Jabbahs
> (the inventor of the sky-hook and the man responsible for the NCAA to ban
> dunking at the college level which was subsequently lifted), the Dr. Js,
the
> Dave Bings, the Michael Jordans to play, refine and, in the process,
define
> the game to what it is today. The list comes on. Tribute also goes the
> African-American pioneers of MLB of the likes of Jackie Robinson, Hank
Aaron
> and many more who played the game under the harshest and most hostile of
> conditions. Below is the story of one such pioneer of professional
> basketball, as we enjoy the season opener. Sidi Sanneh
> __________________________________________
>
>
> NEW YORK, Oct 27 (AFP) - While America are to celebrate Halloween
> Tuesday,
> the National Basketball Association will open its 2000-2001 season. It is
> also
> the 50th anniversary of Earl Lloyd becoming the first African-American to
> play
> in an NBA game.
> Lloyd, who was part of a teleconference call here Friday, remembered
the
> landmark game.
> "It was totally and unequivocally uneventful," he said.
> A man with a sense of humor, he added: "It was Halloween, maybe they
(the
> crowd) thought I was a goblin or something."
> The game was played in Rochester, New York.
> "There could not have been a better place to play the game. In the
1950s
> it
> was integrated and a sleepy New York town," Lloyd said.
> On Tuesday, Lloyd, who played with the Washington Capitols, the late
> Chuck
> Cooper and the late Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton and Hank DeZonie will be
> honored
> here at Madison Square Garden before the New York Kicks-Philadelphia 76ers
> game.
> Lloyd will take part in a ceremonial opening tip and will be joined in
> pre-game introductions by DeZonie, Clifton's daughter, Anita Brown, and
> Cooper's son, Chuck Jr., and widow, Irva.
> Cooper was the first to be drafted by the Boston Celtics and Clifton
was
> the first to sign a contract with New York.
> DeZonie played five games in 1950 with the Tri-Cities Blackhawks, now
the
> Atlanta Hawks.
> Lloyd said he could not recall much about the first game, except his
team
> lost.
> After the game he said the team went back to the hotel where he was
> allowed
> to stay in the rooms, but not to eat at the restaurant.
> "I went to Coach 'Bones' McKinley's suite and saw sandwiches and beer.
If
> this happens when we lose ...," said Lloyd.
> He said that McKinley was "very special to me" because he was
sympathetic
> to what African-Americans were going through at the time. "He said, 'I
can't
> change it,'" said Lloyd.
> The two would eat their meals in his room when they were on the road.
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FYI.
Mr. Habib,
I will get back with you sometime soon on your last posting.
My schedule is tight for now.
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> There's exactly one week to go to Election Day. If you have your heart
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> on electing George W. Bush or Al Gore as the 43rd president, this is
> nail-biting time. The polls remain very close. Ted Koppel got a
first-hand
> peek at the dueling campaigns last week on the road with Gov. Bush and
Vice
> President Gore. Both campaigns are in full throttle, racing from state
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> state, trying to convince as many of the swing voters to come over to
their
> side.
>
> Tonight, Ted travels to Minneapolis and takes a step back from the main
> horse race to ask a question: What role do third parties have in a system
> dominated by the Democrats and Republicans?
>
> Why originate the broadcast in Minnesota? Three reasons, really. It's
> home to one of the country's only two independent governors, Jesse
Ventura
> (see if you can name the other -- answer at the bottom). It's also a
state
> featuring an electorate that has demonstrated an independent streak. And
> finally, not coincidentally, our affiliate KSTP-TV invited us to hold a
> town meeting at the University of Minnesota on the subject of third
> parties.
>
> Ted Koppel will talk with Gov. Ventura and with Green Party presidential
> candidate Ralph Nader before a politically diverse audience. The first
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> minutes of the 90-minute session will air on "Nightline," the remaining
> hour will be available on our Web site as streaming video
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> Both Ventura and Nader have railed against mainstream politics, the
> exclusion of third parties from the debates and the dwindling voter
> turnout. Ventura believes there's a connection between voter
participation
> and the election of independent candidates. He says young people will be
> more engaged if the political system encourages more choices.
>
> Nader has been very public in his insistence that he should have been
> included in this year's debates, despite his not reaching 15 percent in
the
> polls, the threshold set by the Commission on Presidential Debates. He's
> doing well enough that the Gore campaign has recently become concerned he
> may siphon off enough votes to award the White House to Bush. But if
Nader
> were to be included in the debates, why not Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne,
> John Hagelin or Howard Phillips? All are on enough ballots around the
> country to mathematically be elected president. It's a thorny issue.
>
> This country has a long tradition of third-party presidential hopefuls --
> George Wallace in 1968, John Anderson in 1980 and Ross Perot in 1992.
They
> have played the role of gadfly and sometimes, spoiler. But they are
rarely
> dull.
>
> Sit down with the extra Halloween candy and join us tonight.
>
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>
> Oct. 31, 2000
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Greetings Gambia-Lers:
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"Jeng, Beran" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Habib and Amadou allow me to jump in your debate to contribute my =
piece. I'm not
> an admirer of
> Ghaddaffi for various reasons and I know that most Arabs look down on =
black
> Africans and generally
> refer to us as "bilal". My problem is why our African leaders are not =
condemning
> the atrocities
> on our people. Is it because of the money?If your own leaders don't =
respect you
> how the hell do
> you expect to be respected by others.
>=20
> Thanks for allowing me to butt in.
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> Beran
>=20
Beran,
Thanks for your input. However, I don't think this debate is about =
Ghaddaffi. This is about Arab contempt for Africans, something that this =
guy who's calling me brother, will never accept. Believe me, if the =
perpetrators had been Israelis, he would have gone to town with Jews =
this and Jews that. However when they happen to be Arabs, as in this =
case, it is Ghaddaffi this, and Ghaddaffi that. Who's he kidding.=20
Ghaddaffi is no Saint, but unlike many Africans I have not formed my =
opinion about him based on Western propaganda. The man clearly has his =
faults, but even what he leaves behind in his toilet is much better than =
most Arabs. The West clearly has its own crusade against a man who has =
refused to bow to them. He has been accused of having wrecked havoc in =
some African countries but at the same time when many Black African =
leaders were flirting with the Apartheid regime, Ghaddaffi was at the =
forefront of the battle to do away with that evil system. He provided =
logistical, financial, military and moral support for both SWAPO and the =
ANC. Many received military training in Libya precisely because of =
Ghaddaffi's personal hatred for apartheid.=20
Once, when Baba Jobe trying to get into the El Fatah university campus =
from the back entrance not knowing that Ghaddaffi was visiting, security =
forces tried to rush him, to which Ghaddaffi reacted angrily, inviting =
Baba to a chat, inquiring about his nationality, what he was studying, =
and how he was thriving, even asking him what could be done to improve =
the condition of African students at the university. ALL of them were on =
scholarships: free meals, free housing and an allowance that made it =
unnecessary for them to do part time work. So my opinion of the man is =
not based solely on Western propaganda.
When a delegation from the Nation of Islam visited Tripoli in the early =
eighties, a member of the entourage could not help confiding in a friend =
of mine that after being in Tripoli for some days he clearly believed =
that Ghaddaffi was the only revolutionary in Libya because of the =
contempt with which they were constantly treated.
Libyans love Ghaddaffi because when he ceased power from King Edris, he =
immediately went to work improving their living conditions. The gains =
made are very tangible even today, especially in the fields of health =
and education which are still free. When sanctions were lifted on Libya =
after over a decade there was still zero unemployment in that country. =
If Habib wants a debate about Ghaddaffi, we can take that separately and =
I'll demonstrate his political gullibility to him. However this is about =
Arab attitudes in general toward Africans.
A BBC television report some two weeks ago showed some Nigerians who had =
just been evacuated from Libya, most with stab serious wounds. All of =
those interviewed praised Ghaddaffi and exempted him personally from any =
blame for the atrocities. They praised him further for having relaxed =
immigration laws which would have made it easier for them to bring over =
their spouses to join them. This humane move was what triggered the =
brutalities. Having been there, I know what I'm talking about. Many a =
time "khimar" (donkey) has been shouted after me in the streets of =
Tripoli. I have witnessed a Libyan driver run down a Black African and =
then went about kicking him and shouting "khimar" because the guy was =
"stupid enough" to be run down and dent his beautiful BMW!
If all Arabs shared Ghaddaffi's attitude "multiple personality" or not, =
this world would be a much better place.
Regards,
Kabir.
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I would assume that the problem was not whether General Guei had to go or
not. Much of it could have been the result of the deliberate exclusion of a
section of the society from taking part in the election process, people who
now feel to be heard.
The whole situation in Ivory Coast seems messed up. On the surface,
conventional democratic principles qualifies the existence of the new
President. Beneath that, sufficient representation by the President of the
majority is definitely questionable. Representation by the majority who
willingly take part or willingly refuse to take part to be represented is
what seems to be at stake at Ivory Coast. Seemingly eligible people were
barred from the election process. Do they, therefore, call for new
elections? What will be the position of the new President? He certainly has
ligitimate claims to the Presidency. The crucial question to ask is:: How
democratic are so-called democratic elections when willing participants are
refused to participate in them?
This will likely draw a line of difference between the recent experiences in
both Yoguslavia and Ivory Coast. Let see that for ourselves.
Alieu k.
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>COTE D'IVOIRE: THE END AND THE BEGINNING
>The developments in Cote D'Ivoire have lessons for countries in Africa in
>particular and the World in general.
>The fundamental lesson to draw is that where a people know what they want
>and are organised to fight for it no force on earth will be able to block
>them from achieving success. However, if short term solutions are sought
>for
>long term problems immediate success is bound to be accompanied by new
>complications. This is how matters stand in Cote D'Ivoire.
>At first the people had assumed that the problem was general Guei. Now that
>he is gone tension still remains in Cote D'Ivoire. What is responsible for
>this tension? How is it to be addressed?
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>################################################################
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>2000(c), Chuck Shepherd. All rights reserved. The name
>News of the Weird is a registered trademark of Chuck Shepherd.
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>Originally published 10.01.00
>
>News of the Weird(.660)
>
>LEAD STORIES
>
>The Wishes of the Fetus: On Sept. 6, the Ohio Supreme Court rejected a
>lawsuit by a 7-year-old girl with spina bifida, who had sued her parents'
>doctors because she wanted to have been aborted (since the doctors knew she
>would have birth defects). On the same day, in Attleboro, Mass., Judge
>Kenneth
>Nasif ordered a pregnant woman held in custody until she gives birth
>because
>he feared that she, because of her religion, might decline medical
>attention
>if she experienced complications; Nasif said he could "sense" the unborn
>child
>saying to him, "I want to live. I don't want to die like my brother (a
>previous victim of the woman's religion-based medical neglect) did."
>
>In August, Elsie Holdren, 68, a security officer working on contract at a
>courthouse in Viera, Fla., was transferred by her company to a courthouse
>in
>nearby Melbourne because her superiors thought she was too courteous. "Due
>to
>your caring and giving nature," wrote Holdren's supervisor (with Weiser
>Security Services in Orlando), "you are compromising your position as a
>security officer. (Being caring and giving) is not a job requirement, nor
>is
>it what you are paid to do."
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lone-Star Justice
>
>The mentally retarded Felipe Rodriguez spent 13 months in jail in Swisher
>County, Texas (near Amarillo), after being accused of a minor theft,
>largely
>because his court-appointed defense attorney forgot about him until a
>Dallas
>Morning News reporter pestered her about the status of the case. (Rodriguez
>was released in August.) And a June New York Times report on veteran
>court-appointed defense lawyer Ronald G. Mock chronicled his career-long,
>mediocre representation of a series of now-executed men, including June
>executee Gary Graham, who was convicted based on one fleeting, nighttime
>eyewitness identification, which Mock neither challenged nor seriously
>investigated.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The Litigious Society
>
>* Robert Jones of Adel, Ga., filed a lawsuit in Atlanta in June against the
>maker of Liquid Fire drain cleaner after the stuff oozed out of Jones'
>homemade container all over his legs, causing "extensive, excruciating
>burns
>and destruction of flesh." Actually, Liquid Fire comes in a spill-proof
>container, but Jones was skeptical of its sturdiness and thus poured the
>contents into his own, "safer" container (from which it eventually
>spilled).
>Thus, Jones' legal theory is that Liquid Fire's original package somehow
>created the impression of flimsiness, which therefore forced Jones to pour
>the
>contents into his own container.
>
>Two years ago, Javier Polo, 25, filed a lawsuit in Aviles, Spain,
>demanding that his mother, Maria Delores Ray, 54, be ordered to support him
>financially while he is out of work. Recently, according to a May London
>Observer story, a judge ruled for Polo, ordering Ray to pay him 15 percent
>of
>her salary (about $192 a month) despite the fact that he does not even live
>with her. (The parents are divorced; he lives with his father; but she has
>to
>pay because she earns more than the father.)
>
>In July, Tang Weijiang, 29, filed a lawsuit in Shanghai, China, against
>Canon Inc. because one of the Japanese company's advertising CD-ROMs left
>him
>in mental distress, which he said was deliberate, just one more act in a
>centuries-long campaign of disrespect by Japanese people and companies
>against
>the Chinese. The specific act that caused Tang such anguish was a passage
>on
>the CD-ROM text implying that China, Taiwan and Hong Kong were separate
>countries.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Latest Rights
>
>Parents in Benicia, Calif., were complaining, according to a June San
>Francisco Chronicle report, of the public library's policy of denying them
>access to the names of books their children (regardless of age) have
>checked
>out. California law generally provides for confidentiality of government
>records, but some libraries enforce that more strictly than others. The
>Benicia library makes an exception only if a book is overdue, so that
>parents
>can look for it at home.
>
>Australian masseuse Carol Vanderpoel, 52, believing that all she knew how
>to cure were physical aches and pains, sued her former employer, the Blue
>Mountains Women's Health Centre in Katoomba, which had required her also to
>listen to her clients' psychological problems during massages and to
>counsel
>them, which she said left her severely depressed. In June, a judge in New
>South Wales District Court awarded her about $17,000 in damages. (Among the
>problems that grossed her out were a client's confession of performing
>euthanasia on her husband and another woman's having been assaulted with a
>chain saw).
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Latest Rages
>
>The following people apparently get really set off by the following things:
>Mark Adam Yazzie, 26 (got into an argument with his brother-in-law about
>the
>merits of rap music vs. rock and ran him over with a truck; Santa Rosa,
>Calif., June). Jane Graham, 77 (pointed a butcher knife at a neighbor man's
>groin and threatened to "cut it off" because he was playing his stereo too
>loud; Winnipeg, Manitoba, July). Gerard Corbo, 56 (at his son's wedding,
>started a fistfight when a guest referred to the groom by the wrong first
>name; Westlake, Ohio, June).
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>In Their Own Words
>
>Grandmother Karren Kinsel, head of the office that regulates content on
>vanity
>license plates in Illinois ("WORKSUX" rejected; "BI DAD E" OK), explaining
>to
>a Chicago Tribune reporter in July what qualifies her to rule on whether
>certain applications are in poor taste: "You take some people, they just
>don't
>have a dirty mind. Some of my staff doesn't. But I do, kind of."
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Updates
>
>When News of the Weird first mentioned Summum (in 1988), the Salt Lake City
>religious organization had just introduced its mummification alternative to
>burials and cremations, charging $7,000 to preserve a body and an
>additional
>$18,000 to create a bronze statue, according to founder Corky Ra. As of
>June
>2000, according to an Associated Press story, Summum is still looking to
>make
>its first human mummy (it has done several pets), although 137 people have
>made deposits toward the current prices of $12,000 to preserve and $36,000
>(and up) for statues (plus transportation costs and mausoleum space). Corky
>Ra's preservation process includes soaking the body in secret fluids,
>applying
>lanolin, polyurethane rubber and fiberglass bandages.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Least Competent Criminals
>
>A 17-year-old boy was arrested in Loomis, Calif., in July after he was
>unsuccessful in what might have been an attempt to emulate the notorious
>"Rooftop Robber," who had burglarized more than 40 businesses in California
>and other states by entering through roofs (and who was captured in May).
>Unlike the original, the 17-year-old crashed through a false ceiling in his
>first job, broke a sink standing on it trying to climb out, then made it to
>a
>false ceiling and crawled to an adjacent store, but fell through that
>ceiling,
>too, injuring his ankle, and then finally, on his way out, tripped the
>burglar
>alarm and had police waiting for him.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Also, in the Last Month ...
>
>An IRS advisory opinion declared that the parents of a still-kidnapped
>child
>must stop taking the dependent's exemption while the child is missing.
>Scientists in India discovered a new chili, whose burn worsens with water
>and
>which is 50 percent hotter than the previous world's-hottest chili. A
>deceased's family sued Forest Lawn cemetery over a bad embalming, though
>the
>family admitted that park employees did work diligently to swat flies off
>of
>the open casket during the memorial service (Los Angeles). A robber
>pistol-whipped a pizza deliverer, causing the gun to discharge and fire a
>fatal shot at the robber's 17-year-old partner (Nashville).
>
> Thanks This Time to Jason Rule, Graham Thomas, Paul Blumstein, Ralph
>Anderson, Nick Carter, Gary Anderson, and Frank Williams, and to the News
>of the Weird Senior Advisors Gaal Shepherd Crowl, Paul Di Filippo, Geoffrey
>Egan, sam Gaines, Ivan Katz, Steve Lauria, Barbara McDonald, Matt Mirapaul,
>and Jim Sweeney, and to the News of the Weird Chief Correspondents Paul
>Bogrow, Bob Brown, Michael Colpitts, Lance Ellisor, Harry Farkas, Fritz
>Gritzner, Ginger Katz, Wolf Kirchmeir, Myra J. Linden, Bob McCabe, Victor
>McDonald, Kerry O'Conner, Jerry Pohlen, Yvonne Pover, Larry Ellis Reed, the
>great Chip Rogers, Tom Slone, H. Thompson, Bruce Townley, Barbara Tyger,
>and Elyse Verse, and to Outstanding Weird News Reporters Gary Abbott, Jamie
>Anderson, Bob Bayer, Jenny Beatty, Herb Jue, Scott Langill, Tim Maloney,
>Allen Pasternak, Lee Sechrest, Maurine Taylor, Marty Turnauer, Willard
>Wheeler, Mark Weiss, and Jerry Whittle.
>
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Hi Folks,
Glad if someone can assist this fellow. Thanks in advance.
Cheers!
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Subject: Alex Hayley
Pls confirm, did Alex Hayley travel to Gambia during his History chronicle?
I remember him visiting an old library during the segment, in what I recall as Gambia, but I can not remember the name of the exact site. The condition of that old building, and the way the books were stored there depressed me, and I have been trying to find out if any one has organized an attempt to restore, and
preserve it.
If any one has seen the History Files with Alex Hayley, I would like to hear from them. I would like to know more about that structure. Has there been any
effort done to preserve this historic herritage?
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Hi Folks,
Another inquiry thro' my web page....glad if someone can help. Thanks.
Cheers!
Madiba.
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The "Domodah by Linda Voychehovski" recipe says "Maffe in Wolof, or just
groundnut stew"
Are Maffe and Domoda the same thing? Are there typically any differences?
Maffe is a Wolof word? What language is Domoda from?
Just curious.
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Yet another inquiry thro' my web page. Your assistance will be highly
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Dear sir
Where can i find real estates in gambia houses villas
Greetings
John smith
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Good luck sister Ginny on your move . I wish you all the best of luck and success. If we were around we
would be more than happy to help too.
I travel a lot in that area . Maybe we will have the opportunity to meet in person , Inshallah
Ride safely since you are not driving
Habib
Ginny Quick wrote:
> Hello, Jabou! I am no traitor, I like the Titans. However, I am from
> Indiana, and thus am and have been a Colts fan.
> I remember when the first came to Indy, and they couldn't win a game.
> It is nice to see them doing well.
> When the Titans first came to Tennessee, I remember listening to 104.5,
> the station that had the games, and on their morning show, they had the man
> who was going to do the Titans radio broadcasts. One of the things he said
> was that the Titans weren't going to be like the Colts were when they first
> moved to Indy.
> That was interesting, but he was speaking the truth, the Colts were
> pretty bad.
> Anyway, as far as my long siles goes, I have been very busy, looking
> for work and preparing to move. I am moving to Indiana, just southeast of
> Chicago. East Chicago, to be exact.
> I am moving a week from this Friday. My brother is helping me. Since,
> you know, I can't drive, (ha ha!)
> Anyway, I have friends up there, and I like the area. There are more
> job opportunites, and public transporation is better. I only hope Abby
> adjusts OK. I will have to train her to ride the trains, though.
> Anyway, take care, sorry for the long message!
> Go Titans! Colts!!!
>
> And Pacers!!!!!
> Maybe I should say Go Bulls!!! For good measure!
> Take care all!
> Ginny
> G ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jabou Joh" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: REDSKINS VS TITANS
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> > In a message dated 10/31/00 1:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> > <<
> > It is good the Titans did well. Even though my real home team is The
> > Colts...
> > They won as well, against the Lions...
> > Ginny
> > >>
> > ***************************
> > Ginny,
> >
> > We can't entertain traitors in our midst. Where is your Tennessee pride?
> > Good to see your presence on the list again after a long silence.
> >
> > Jabou
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Thanks brother Bamba
FYI
I voted today - by absentee ballot - because I will be traveling next monday (Nov. 6 ) overseas for ten
days.
It is always hectic to survive these days ,so take it easy
Best Regards
Habib
Bamba Laye Jallow wrote:
> FYI.
>
> Mr. Habib,
> I will get back with you sometime soon on your last posting.
> My schedule is tight for now.
>
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> > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:04:55 -0800
> > Subject: "Nightline" Town Meeting on Third Parties
> > To: "Nightline Mailing List" <[log in to unmask]>
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> > There's exactly one week to go to Election Day. If you have your heart
> set
> > on electing George W. Bush or Al Gore as the 43rd president, this is
> > nail-biting time. The polls remain very close. Ted Koppel got a
> first-hand
> > peek at the dueling campaigns last week on the road with Gov. Bush and
> Vice
> > President Gore. Both campaigns are in full throttle, racing from state
> to
> > state, trying to convince as many of the swing voters to come over to
> their
> > side.
> >
> > Tonight, Ted travels to Minneapolis and takes a step back from the main
> > horse race to ask a question: What role do third parties have in a system
>
> > dominated by the Democrats and Republicans?
> >
> > Why originate the broadcast in Minnesota? Three reasons, really. It's
> > home to one of the country's only two independent governors, Jesse
> Ventura
> > (see if you can name the other -- answer at the bottom). It's also a
> state
> > featuring an electorate that has demonstrated an independent streak. And
>
> > finally, not coincidentally, our affiliate KSTP-TV invited us to hold a
> > town meeting at the University of Minnesota on the subject of third
> > parties.
> >
> > Ted Koppel will talk with Gov. Ventura and with Green Party presidential
> > candidate Ralph Nader before a politically diverse audience. The first
> 30
> > minutes of the 90-minute session will air on "Nightline," the remaining
> > hour will be available on our Web site as streaming video
> > (www.nightline.abcnews.com).
> >
> > Both Ventura and Nader have railed against mainstream politics, the
> > exclusion of third parties from the debates and the dwindling voter
> > turnout. Ventura believes there's a connection between voter
> participation
> > and the election of independent candidates. He says young people will be
>
> > more engaged if the political system encourages more choices.
> >
> > Nader has been very public in his insistence that he should have been
> > included in this year's debates, despite his not reaching 15 percent in
> the
> > polls, the threshold set by the Commission on Presidential Debates. He's
>
> > doing well enough that the Gore campaign has recently become concerned he
>
> > may siphon off enough votes to award the White House to Bush. But if
> Nader
> > were to be included in the debates, why not Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne,
> > John Hagelin or Howard Phillips? All are on enough ballots around the
> > country to mathematically be elected president. It's a thorny issue.
> >
> > This country has a long tradition of third-party presidential hopefuls --
>
> > George Wallace in 1968, John Anderson in 1980 and Ross Perot in 1992.
> They
> > have played the role of gadfly and sometimes, spoiler. But they are
> rarely
> > dull.
> >
> > Sit down with the extra Halloween candy and join us tonight.
> >
> > By the way, that other independent governor: Angus King of Maine.
> >
> > Oct. 31, 2000
> >
> > Richard Harris
> > Senior Producer
> > Minneapolis
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:15:30 +0100
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Hello Madiba,
Can you please resend the URL of your website?
Regards,
Kabir.
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>=20
> Yet another inquiry thro' my web page. Your assistance will be highly
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> Cheers!
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> Madiba.
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:56:37 -0800
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Bro. Kabir,
Welcome back! The URL of The Gambia Resource Page is:
http://leed.chem.ubc.ca/saidy/gambia/home.html
Cheers!
Madiba.
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> Can you please resend the URL of your website?
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:59:45 GMT
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Beran,
The picture you saw must be that of Sidi Jammeh a World Bank staffer who is
associated with the World Bank Group-IMF Africa Club. Thank you all the same
for your encouraging words.
For those of you in the Washington DC area with interest in African art,
Momodou Ceesay's art will be on display during the five-day forum at the
WB/IMF comlexes. We met in Banjul a couple of weeks back where he was
putting the finishing touches to works he intend to put on display at the
forum.
Sidi Sanneh
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>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:02:20 -0500
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>Sidi,
>
>Your picture with IMF MD Horst Kohler and Nigerian Senator Kura Muhammad is
>a
>good one.
>Keep up the good work for Africa.
>
>Beran
>
>
>
>allAfrica.com
></publishers.html?passed_name=allAfrica.com&passed_location=empty>
>
>October 30, 2000
>Tamela Hultman
>Washington DC
>Addressing head-on the common perception that Africa is hopelessly mired in
>poverty and strife, the top official of the International Monetary Fund
>says
>that Africa has the capacity to solve its problems.
>In a speech that opened the Africa Forum 2000 in Washington DC, IMF
>Managing
>Director Horst Kohler said Africa can solve its "homemade" problems of
>corruption and conflict. But he linked the ability to do so to "faster,
>stronger
>and better institutional support" from the world community. To obtain that
>support, however, African nations must put into place the framework of good
>governance, fair and accessible judicial systems, a consistent and
>transparent
>regulatory framework and, most of all, a commitment to private sector
>development, Kohler said.
>He acknowledged the "downside elements of globalization" and said they must
>be
>addressed, but he insisted that unless Africa is integrated into the global
>community in a considered and sequenced approach, the continent will not be
>able
>to achieve sustainable growth.
>"We should not think Africa is lost," Kohler said. After visiting six
>African
>nations in July, he found many reasons to be hopeful, among them the
>initiatives
>of women. Despite formidable challenges he said, women "still worked
>productively. They tried to solve problems. They didn't complain. They
>worked."
>Even managing directors of international institutions need encouragement
>now and
>then, Kohler said, and he found it among Africa's women.
>The IMF chief said he is returning to Africa in February with World Bank
>President James Wolfensohn. The visits, and the increasing attention the
>sister
>organizations will be paying to African poverty issues, he said, show that
>"there is commitment on our side."
>Joining Kohler in cutting the ribbon that formally opened the conference
>was Sue
>Esserman, the Deputy US Trade Representative, who read a statement by
>President
>Bill Clinton <http://allafrica.com/stories/200010300407.html> .
>Strengthening
>the American partnership with Africa has been one of the administration's
>top
>priorities, the statement said.
>The Forum is a five-day gathering sponsored by the World Bank Group-IMF
>Africa
>Club, an association of African and Africa-interested staff of the
>international
>financial organizations. Forum Coordinator Eric Chinje told journalists,
>dignitaries and conference participants at the opening ceremonies that the
>event
>is designed to support African economies by providing multiple platforms
>for
>sharing information on critical issues, including trade, procurement,
>investment
>and funding.
>The Club scheduled Forum sessions on a range of issues including
>information
>technology, infrastructure, energy, agribusiness, and health and
>pharmaceuticals. In response to Africa's one-dimensional media image - as
>well
>as the economic role cultural products can play - the Forum is also
>presenting
>arts and artisanal productions, from documentaries and films to
>handicrafts.
>
>Copyright
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>Fellow "L'ers", I need the exact day and month of the
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Sidi,
These Titans are the former Houston Oilers, believe it or not. Tennessee
decided they wanted a team, and the owner decided he had had enough of
Houston, down to Tenn they came, and this town is crazy about them, let me
tell you.They cannot believe they actually have a team, so the support they
are enjoying is unbelievable. A ticket to their games is a rare commodity,
and these Tennesseans follow them in droves even to out of town games.I guess
these people have nothing to do with their time, but that is sports mania.
Detroit? Uhh!!!
Jabou
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Jabou, where do these Titans come from anyway. They must be an expansion
team. What ever happened to the Baltimore Colts, Los Angeles Rams, Oakland
Raiders, Cinniccinati Bengals, Cleveland Browns. I hope they are still
around or have they moved to other cities. As you can tell, I do not follow
the game as closely as I used to.
Sidi Sanneh
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<< Ginny , Jennifer and Jabou
You guys were just lucky to win but that game was definately Washingtons.
As I said earlier even ten seconds count in football
Congratulations again on your win.
Habib >>
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Ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK Habib, you guys keep dreaming
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:46:29 EST
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<< I'm not
an admirer of
Ghaddaffi for various reasons and I know that most Arabs look down on black
Africans and generally
refer to us as "bilal". My problem is why our African leaders are not
condemning
the atrocities
on our people. Is it because of the money?If your own leaders don't respect
you
how the hell do
you expect to be respected by others.
Thanks for allowing me to butt in.
Beran >>
***************************
Beran,
It's the money. Yaya Jammeh should go wag his finger at Moamar, instead of
the Gambian people, but he and the likes of him will never do that. Instead,
Ghaddafi who is seen as a pariah by his Arab brothers, and as a terrorist by
the West, has looked around a long time ago and found a pawn in these
gullible African leaders.They even let him hold court at the OAU.These people
know very well that Moammar Ghaddafi is just using the Africans because
everyone has isolated him.
On Arab racism towards Black skinned people, this is alive and well, and it
is preposterous for anyone to say that anybody in their right mind condones
it just because they have not mentioned it or written about it. Basically, if
one is against injustice of any kind, one cannot apply this selectively. I
personally will condemn injustice no matter what group of people it is
directed at, and I think I can safely say that most people who share the
sentiment do likewise.
. What is needed is what sister Fatou Sowe did in the case of Mauritania, and
that is to educate people about these atrocities wherever they are being
committed, and it is up to us to make sure that those who represent us also
represent our views and sentiments when dealing with governments that tend to
look the other way in the face of these injustices. That is how these things
can be eradicated.
Jabou Joh
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