God! Can somebody please get my MATURITY whip? This is quite embarassing, and I am shocked by all of this. Honestly, stuff like this need not be posted on the L. This goes for ALL other postings about "the president", E. Ceesay etc. I think this is getting outta hand. Personally, I don't think the list managers are doing a "great job", "managing" this list. We need a better resolution to this nonsense. List Managers??? Essa >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Yusupha Jow >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:46:45 -0500 > >I had drafted the message below and wanted to send it to G_L before I saw >Saul's response to Yusupha. I was almost tempted to stop sending this >message (because I respect Saul's wish to handle this matter with Yusupha) >but I finally decided to just send my perspective. I am glad that Saul >meant >his comment as a general comment just as I thought (see below). To both >Saul >and Yus, my message is no longer meant as a 'peace-keeping' message. Please >read on and I hope you will take away from it that the victims here are the >defenseless Gambians held to ransom by the illegal regime we have back >home. >Jawara and his gang have done enough damage to us, as things are right now. >We should not allow ourselves to be saddled by the Jawara legacy. Yusupha, >as Saul said, he was not singling you out in his first mail. I believed >that >from the onset. He does not know your family, and was not trying to >disrespect your family. I know your family and frankly when I saw Saul's >statement, you never crossed my mind. You do not have to take what Saul >said >personally and try to put yourself in a group you do not belong to. Guys, I >hate to get into your business because I do not like it when people tell me >what to do, but it sickens me more sitting by and watching this matter >deteriorate to unwarranted levels. > >__________________________________________________________________________ > >Yusupha, thanks for your mails. From your postings and knowing a little bit >about your background, I know that your are dedicated to the cause of >relieving the suffering of some of our brothers and sisters back home. I >also have no doubt whatsoever that Saul Khan is also totally committed to >making sure that our people are freed from the tyranny Yaya visits on them. > >While I do not pretend to speak for Saul, here is my interpretation of what >he wrote. He was making a general comment. As the cliché goes, to every >general rule, there are exception. It is true that there were some people >during the Jawara regime that embezzled public funds to among other things >educate their kids. It is also true that there were others that worked >(legitimately) to provide for their families the things they did. > >What is important is what each of us and people very close to us, know. If >you know for instance that you and some of your friends benefited from >clean >and hard earned money, consider yourselves as part of the exception to the >general comment Saul made. In that case, you should not be offended. If >Saul >or anyone else for that matter singles you out personally, and directly >accuse you, then it would be legitimate for you to come out and vigorously >defend yourself and your family. But I think it would be a mistake to try >and defend all the inhabitants of Fajara. None of us have all the facts and >therefore it is an impossible burden to carry on ones shoulders. > >I am jumping in here because I value the contributions both of you make to >this forum and elsewhere. I also sensed what I regarded as a >misunderstanding leading to characterizations none of us in the Opposition >deserve. People that are totally committed to the Opposition do not deserve >to be called corrupt Jawara people if they are not. It is also grossly >unfair to equate Saul to Yaya and say that he is trying to bring a class >warfare. > >So Yus, I would respectfully urge you to not take what Saul said as >personally directed to you. Regard yourself as part of the exception, as I >did, and move on. You simply do not know all the Fajara inhabitants that >well to vouch for their integrity. When it is all said and done, and Yaya >is >removed from office, we can all come out and tell our stories if we want. > >What Yaya did, is very different from what Saul is talking about. It pains >me to even mention Saul and that mental midget in the same sentence, in >this >manner. Saul is a good person. Yaya did not just make a general comment. >The >vermin personalized issues and victimized some people right before our >eyes. >Having said that, I also recognize that some of the people that suffered >under Yaya deserve what they got. Some of the very people Yaya made >destitute at some point, went back to work for him and assist him to become >more corrupt than Jawara ever was. Modou Dibba from Coops is a classic >example. Yaya and his cohorts went on the rampage with their class warfare. >If you knew these people before, you will know that they are all losers >with >the biggest inferiority complex. Despite that Yaya was hoist from Kanilai >and put up by a benevolent family in Banjul; despite that Yaya's more >affluent contemporaries never showed him any signs of class superiority, >this evil person still hated people he thought (in his little brain) were >superior to him. It was and is still in his imagination. Why do you think >Yaya goes through all these spending sprees, lying that aid coming to the >country and meant for the Gambian people is in fact coming directly from >him? The moron wants to impress people. He is suffering from acute >inferiority complex. He will never be happy because he is looking at the >wrong place for salvation. Most Gambians would have had more respect for >this vermin had he adopted a kid from Kanilai like the Tambas put him up. >People would have appreciated that more than the moron stealing power from >the people and holding the whole country at ransom. > >They are all deviants. They have always been envious of people. There is >nothing wrong in wanting the better things in life. But for Heaven's sake, >work hard for it. If Yaya worked hard and was self-made like Saul Khan, you >and I and then criticize people for being corrupt, I will not quarrel with >that. But these parasites never put in a hard day's work. They use brute >force to extort a living from the Gambian people. People like Yaya and >Yankuba Touray are no different from robbers that hold people at gun point >and ask them to withdraw money from a Teller machine. They are all >hustlers. > >Yusupha, I hope that you take Saul's comments in good faith. I do not know >what transpired between the two of you in the past, but I sincerely do not >think that the message you quoted from Saul warrant enmity between the two >of you. I do not think Saul has a grudge towards people that 'made' it in >The Gambia. I can also assure you that I have no grudge against affluent >people. Yes, I hate corruption and I also believe in accountability, but >unlike Yaya, I am not motivated by envy and I will not partake in any >scheme >to seize people's property without due process of law. It was from that >principled standpoint that in 1994 I denounced the commissions of inquiries >that were being used to seize people's properties. Let me point out here >that not a single family member of mine was brought before a commission. I >recognized then and still recognize that even people like Abu Denton >deserve >their day in a real court before their properties are taken away from them. >This is a matter of principle. Even if the man is going to be deprived of >his properties, allow him to go to a real court and prove that almost >twenty >of the previous thirty years during the PPP regime, he (Denton) was living >in a 'cabinet and salle' at Allen Street, presumably saving up for his >family. Let me make it abundantly clear that I do not hold brief for Denton >and others. But I believe in due process and I believe Saul also believes >in >same. The way we work hard for our living in the U.S. should say a lot >about >our differences with the frauds that are currently running our country. We >paid our dues to the society. Society asked us to be disciplined, educated, >wake up every morning and show up to work, live within our means etc. No >one >is perfect, but some of us did our darn best to do what is right. We cannot >say that for the uncouth, uneducated, lazy and parasitic lot running our >country. Let us not breed enmity where it does not exist. The real enemy is >the lazy and envious parasite living off of taxpayers' money at the state >house in Banjul. Knowing that if he comes to America he would not be able >to >lead a flamboyant live-style by flipping burger at McDonald's, the vermin >took the only other avenue he knows how to navigate: He held the whole >Gambian population at gun point and took us to the Teller machine (Central >Bank). >KB > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >You may also send subscription requests to >[log in to unmask] >if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your >full name and e-mail address. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------