i can see that most members of the L are difficult to convince to accept my point.Firstly i hope this debate does not decend to a personal level involving myself or mr coker.it's constantly pointed out to me that mr coker is not an american and i should not have implied he was,which i DID not .nothing i said was directed towards him personally and agian i apologise if i offended any one. again no one in the list has pointed out anything factual to defend afrocentrism,which is precisely my point.it is based soley on possibility.which is possible!of course everything is.suggesting a whole list of books to read is not enough.as i could return the favour .however to illustrate my point i'll look at a few points posted by P.obrien-coker.take the salute he said was done at the games.its possible that in 20yrs it would be said the mr g.ford was the first to use it and not the athletes .this is exactly what afrocentrism is about ,assumption.its a black american way of trying to point everything to themselves.that same salute has been used since the early 20s by the ANC/anti -aparthied movements in S.Africa and probably earlier.is he denying them credit for that?if the athletes they were jailed, they were representing america not black america as any white medal winner who gave the "HAIL HITLER" salute would equally be jailed.afrocentrism makes the same mistakes and short sightedness that eurocentrism made in the last 200 yrs. when the ruins of Great Zimbabwe were discovered by the german explorer the first thing he did was to claim it was the ruins of the queen of sheba.this was taken as fact for almost two hundred yrs.its this type of thinking that is wrong its based on contempt for others and what they have achieved.the ancient egyptians were not black( eg like my ollof cousins) nor white(europeans).to add some humour they were probably closer to the multi-coloured people called african-american.just the same its wrong for gambians to lay claim to the ruins of zimbabwe as it shows contempt for the people of the area. with regard to the kind list of books,i would suggest members to read the countless german book written to promote aryan-ism in the 19th century which so influenced hitler.and they were written by "sound minded" people academics included.they were written to feed their EGO and support their anti-semitic views.it was historic engineering which is exactly what you're defending.in this case everything is pro-black. ofcourse,there is racism, how often to you hear that the allies fought the war ignoring african and indian commonwealth soldiers.how often do u hear that jews were the only victims of the NAZIs considering the thousands killed in the german colony of what is today Namibia.things like that are fact,which if they were afrocentric i would accept.i would equally accept the blacks have been deliberately ignored in their contribution to america eg the inventors etc coming with such abstract statements like ancient egyptians were black,socrates was black,jesus was black,the first jews were ethiopians etc ,and all this tends to shows a desperate people,blacks converted the english to christiannity,the first Archbishop of Canterbury was black etc is just crap and pseudo-intellectualism! AND PLEASE DON'T REMIND OR CORRECT ME AS I'M NOT REFERRING TO ANY ONE IN PARTICULAR!!!!!!! SCHOLARLY LOGIC? yes it lacks it.all these bizzare claims just take everything WHITE(not necessarily european) and switch it around.it dosnt come up with anything new or original but implies revenge or hatred of white america for slavery!! if i was to publish a book saying caeser was black would u believe it?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------