Thank you for clearing this out. I wish i have your good writing skills to back up my analysis more clearly. Thank you once again. PF Manneh >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:36:19 -0400 > >Joke, again you have exhibited your stupidity. Stop putting words in >people's mouths. You know you are lying about Manneh. Re-read what he said. >Among other things, he said: "It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody >to win in Niani, the person MUST have the Wollof majority (the same is true >for upper fulladu west). You DON'T have to campaign on tribal line but you >need to address specific NEEDS of these people and must deploy tactics that >will shift their confidence and support to your party." Emphasis mine. > >The man categorically told you that parties DO NOT HAVE TO CAMPAIGN ON >TRIBAL LINES. He simply stated a fact. Without the Wollof majority, you >cannot win. What is wrong with that statement? Ah! APRC can of course win >elections without the majority vote. They just have to buy people's cards >and disenfranchise them. What is wrong in finding out the unique >peculiarities of certain tribes and addressing those issues? That is all >Manneh is talking about. Darboe should know for instance that if he goes to >certain villages in Niani, he should speak Wollof. I see why you easily >jumped on Manneh. You have a deviant mind. People talk about tribes, you >start thinking about how to pit one tribe against the other. We are NOT in >that game. We RESPECT ALL THE TRIBES. We know that when Manned talks about >'NEEDS', he is NOT talking about pitting people against each other. The >Wollof majority do NOT 'need' to hear bad and divisive things about their >neighbors, the Mandinkas. They have more meaningful needs. We will address >those within ourselves in the Opposition ranks. For purposes of G_L, I just >pointed out to you one obvious 'need': the 'need' to respect people's >languages and address them in that language. We want to recognize people's >differences and celebrate and address those differences in a positive >light. > >Finally, I reassure you that we are always where we were. You come here >with >lies, you hear from us. Period. >KB > > > >>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:39:26 -0000 >> >>What a load of bull**** from Lamin Manneh. Lamin, analysis of the reasons >>why Hon. Almamy Touray won in Niani is total bull. You know it, I know it >>and so does most right thinking Gambians. Any body or party that hopes to >>exploit the ethnic or religious card to be elected to office will not only >>loose, but will be humiliated. >> >>For the benifit of others, I'll throw more light into why Lamin Manneh's >>analysis is rubbish. Like I said earlier, to say that tribalism influenced >>the outcome of the last elections is absolute rubbish. Look at the >>background of the various candidates. >> >>Mr. Almamy Touray comes from a very respectable family who initially >>hailed >>from Kayai village. His father was one time a deputy imam of Kuntaur wharf >>Town. Mr. Manneh hails from Mackah Saderr about 5 Km from Kuntaur. Mackah >>Saderr was named after Saderr Manneh, his father who was Chief of Niani >>district until he retired of old age giving way to the election of the >>late >>Dodou Ndow. The NRP candidate, Boury Jawo hails from Kuntaur Fulla Kunda >>and >>was the son of the late Noperry Jawo a renown and respectable islamic >>scholar and elder. >> >>Until his retirement due to ill health, Mr. Koita Cham represented Niani >>district for the best part of post independence Gambia. The Cham family >>originally hailed from Chamen, Nianija. The present upper Fuladu NAM, Mr. >>Churchill Falai Baldeh was a ward of the late Koita Cham. Incidentally, >>Niani district has never elected a wollof to represent them in parliament. >>Therefore Lamin Manneh's assertion that tribal affiliation should be >>considered when seeking the mandate of our peoples for representation is >>not >>only bull, but a very backward way of looking at things this day and age. >> >>To say that Talib Bensouda was unpopular in Niani is also absolute >>rubbish. >>Talib Bensouda, whose ancestors originally hailed from Morroco was the son >>of one of Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara's sisters. He was a successful >>businessman who went into politics after the retirement of the late Koita >>Cham. He left politics of his own volition, when he was dropped from being >>a >>parliamentary secretary under Sir Dawda and was employed by Bimex. Right >>now >>he lives in the US with his family. >> >>I know all the above people intimately as I grew among them. Your posting >>in >>Janjanburray for a brief spell does not in any way qualify you to make >>such >>derogratory statements. How dare you suggest that the people of Niani vote >>on tribal lines? Do you know that Hon. Almamy Touray was once returned to >>parliament unopposed? It is very important that people take their time to >>find out about things that they don't know rather than just speaking for >>the >>sake of speaking. George Washington once said that "it is better to keep >>quite and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". >> >>When I first posted the resignation of Hon. Almay Touray, it was quickly >>followed by another from Ebrima Ceesay allegedly from one of his sources. >>What that source failed to say was that I posted the news as soon as it >>was >>broadcast on GRTS. It was already known throughout the Gambia by the time >>I >>posted that information. The impression given by the counter post was that >>it was breaking news. It was not. It is very interesting reading other >>papers or to listen to any of our local radios stations to get the facts. >>If >>the allegations levelled against Hon. Almay Touray are the sole reasons >>for >>the UDP to "expel him" from the party, is the timing right? What good will >>it do to the party coming soon after the party suffered a most humiliating >>defeat in the recent bye-elections? People should ponder over this rather >>than speculating about Almamy's expulsion or resignation from the UDP. >> >>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe. >> >>To those wondering what my next move is, you don't have to wait long. >>Kujabi, Jeng, Dampha, Hamjatta, Sanusi, Barrow, Saul, Mboge, I'll get back >>to you very very soon. I am a bit busy these days and Colly's recent post >>really upset me. I could not, however resist the temptation to respond to >>Mr. Manneh's nonsence. >> >> >>>----Original Message Follows---- >>>From: Lamin Manneh PF <[log in to unmask]> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >>> ><[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT >>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:09:01 -0700 >>> >>>Mr. Conteh, let me add my little thoughts on this issue. Hon. Touray >was >>>sitting on a hot UDP chair in parliament. His victory in the last >>> >National >>>Assembly Election was mainly due to the fact that APRC failed to >select >>>the >>>candidate of people's choice. The majority of Nianinkas were in for one >>>Sainey Manneh whose candidature was rejected by the APRC National >>> >Committee. >>>Over 3000 supporters of Mr. Manneh in that district change their >>> >allegiance >>>from APRC and voted for Hon. Touray. This was the same way he came to >>>parliament in 1992 when PPP selected Talip Bensouda who was widely >>> >unpopular >>>in Niani. >>>Please allow me for the sake of political analysis only to talk about >>> >tribal >>>representation in Niani, how it help Hon. Touray to victory and the >dire >>>consequences it have on his next election campaign. First here are the >>>polling stations of last NAM election in Niani. >>>1. Nyaga Bantang mainly Wollof >>>2. Gingori Mustapha Fullas & Wollof >>>3. Kass Wollof maily Wollof >>>4. Jukul Ndawen Mainly wollof >>>5. Dinkirai Fulla, wollof >>>6. Wassu mandinka, fulla >>>7. Kuntaur mixed but more mandinka >>>8. Sukuta mainly mandinka >>>9. Kayai mainly mandinka >>>10. Kataba Alh. Omar Fulla and Wollof >>>11. M'bayen Wollof mainly wollof >>>It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody to win in Niani, the >>> >person >>>MUST have the Wollof majority(the same is true fot upper fulladu >west). >>>You >>>don't have to campaign on tribal line but you need to addresss specific >>>needs of these people and must deploy tactics that will shift their >>>confidence and support to your party. What really happened in Niani >last >>>NAM >>>election was that this Wollof majority was grossly dissappointed with >>> >APRC >>>when they rejected Mr. Manneh. Two days after nominations in >>> >Janjanbureh, >>>a >>>delegation of five prominent people with 3500 voter's cards and D5000 >>> >cash, >>>stormed my office to nominate Mr. Manneh as Independent candidate. I >>>rejected the application because nominations were closed at that time. >>> >After >>>an intensive conversation on the election degree, these ardent APRC >>>supporters left with an ire in their eyes but strong in principle. >Their >>>last word to me was "we will do to Jammeh, what we did to Jawara", >which >>>implies voting for Almamo or UDP. The five reps. seemed to like Hon. >>> >Touray >>>but not UDP as a party. Hon. Touray eventually won because he got over >>> >half >>>of the divided wollof votes and almost entirely the whole of Kuntaur, >>> >Kayai >>>and Sukuta areas. >>>To wrap up, UDP should find out why they are not getting support in >>> >certain >>>communities like Niani and help candidates who faces potential defeats >>> >in >>>their districts(like Hon. Touray) with appropiate campaign strategies. >>> >In >>>fact they should come out with a comprehensive campaign plan for each >>>district as soon as possible. People like Wa Juwara and Jallow, both >>> >former >>>commisioners, could be very useful in that exercise. The way you handle >>>Kombokas is different from Badibonkas and the same is true throughout >>> >the >>>country. We don't have to discuss that on this forum, but any section >>> >in >>>The Gambia has some interesting unique qualities. >>>Cheers >>>PF Manneh >>>NOTE: Mr. Dampha and others, i am not very good in replying people's >>>comments on postings due to busy schedules. I always appreciate your >>>brilliant comments on the L. Will send you a private mail soon. >>> >>>From: MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >>><[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT >>>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:22:03 -0400 >>> >>>Mr. Owens: >>> >>>It is interesting that we are in principle as a >>>united front against the dictator. Whether we >>>decide to critic issues in their entity, we have >>>reasons to be critical of the dictatorship. >>> >>>It is disturbing to hear Hon. Touray's expulsion >>>from Kebba Jobe, though he Kebba said the opposite >>>of the truth. It will serve members of the L if >>>UDP and NRP can have their propaganda secretaries >>>listed on the L so that we can engage them in >>>substantive debates. I commend Brother Halifa Sallah >>>for coming forthwith with his analysis on PDOIS's >>>position. >>> >>>My position on Hon. Touray's case has not changed. >>>I believe that the UDP has a moral obligation to >>>tell us what really happened rather than reading >>>the trend of events from third parties. >>> >>>As we move in a threshold, we as an opposition must >>>clearly define our purpose and seek unity. We should >>>not be in any position to create disarray. I believe >>>that the UDP leadership acted improperly in expelling >>>Hon. Almamy Touray. >>> >>>Naphiyo, >>> >>>Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh >>> >>>------Original Message------ >>>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sanusi=20Owens?= <[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Sent: May 8, 2001 11:24:57 AM GMT >>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT >>> >>> >>>Comrade Conteh >>> >>>This was a brilliant point. However, I wonder whether >>>it is sensible for UDP to have someone like Touray in >>>their camp. >>> >>>I have carefully followed the activities of Mr Touray >>>as NAM of the UDP. At no time have I heard him made >>>any significant contribution to the Adjournment >>>debates. >>>In addition, I have heard no contribution from Mr >>>Touray on the following motions sponsored by the UDP; >>> >>>The Crude Oil Saga, >>> >>>The motion to defeat the Government's amendment to the >>>Indemnity Act. >>> >>>Comrade Conteh, >>> >>>Lets face it Almamy Touray's expulsion from the party >>>is a blessing in disguise. This man already has a >>>criminal record and it would be difficult for him to >>>defend his record as an NAM of UDP in the next >>>parliamentary elections. I think UDP should have >>>expelled Mr Touray after his release from Beligian >>>jails. It was an embarrassment to the party, but thank >>>God the matter has now been settled. According to >>>reliable sources, Mr Touray is seen as a possible >>>defector to the APRC. If this is proven to be true >>>then surely they have taken a wise measure; EXPEL HIM >>>BEFORE HE EMBARRASSES THE PARTY. >>> >>>Having said so, I agree with you that UDP should have >>>waited until after the dissolution of parliament, but >>>why should they tolerate someone who lacked the >>>political courage to defend the party's interests in >>>parliament? >>> >>>Finally, Mr Touray represents a constituency which >>>were affected by the April 10/11 Students Massacre. If >>>Mr Touray could abstain from voting on the Indemnity >>>Act then surely we wonder why he should continue >>>representing the people of Barrajally,who lost their >>>kids in that brutal act by security forces of the >>>APRC. What message does it give to the Gambian >>>majority yearning for justice? The NAM who should have >>>been at the forefront decides to keep silent about the >>>whole issue. In all fairness, UDP has set its >>>standards and we should commend them, other parties >>>should take note that a principles must never be >>>compromised for individual interests or else political >>>freedom from APRC will be a myth. >>> >>>I understand that it was Kebba Jobe who first sent us >>>this information entitled a Terrible blow to UDP. >>>There again we saw our University Graduate in >>>Engineering trying to act as a passive supporter of >>>the APRC Government. One fundamental blunder committed >>>by Mr Jobe was to regard Touray's "resignation" from >>>the party as a terrible blow to the party. What's >>>wrong with this man. I have read all his articles, but >>>this one was the worst. We all know what is a terrible >>>blow to a political party. Did he read Mr Tamsir >>>Jallow's comments on Musa Suso's conviction. Did >>>Tamsir Jallow not say that Musa Suso's conviction was >>>a terrible blow for the ruling APRC? If Mr Jobe was >>>honest with the situation, we would heard his views on >>>this case. Here the party in power got humiliated and >>>they had to recover by making Touray's expulsion a big >>>issue. It is my view that Mr Jobe must have been >>>acting on orders from above to disseminate news that >>>Touray has resigned from the party in the hope of >>>diverting attention from the Musa Suso's conviction. >>>They have used this tactic before, take for instance >>>the April Massacre. At a time when people were >>>mourning the death of those youths murdered by the >>>security forces, APRC decides to announce that Almamy >>>Touray is serving a prison sentence in Beligium.In >>>fact this news was always kept under the carpet and >>>their decison to make it an issue was all political. >>>The whole ploy by APRC was for people to focus on >>>Touray's imprisonment and forget about the APRIL >>>Massacre. >>> >>>With this in mind, the APRC have suffered a terrible >>>blow from last week's sentencing of Musa Suso's >>>conviction for drug trafficking. If APRC had the guts, >>>they would have suspended Musa Suso from the party, >>>but instead even gave him an award some two weeks ago. >>>I think that award was to indicate that he will be the >>>First Member of the National Assembly to be convicted >>>in the Gambian Law Courts.Well Done Musa Suso for >>>being Mile 2 Prison's VIP- very important person or >>>vagabonds in power. >>> >>>I await your response. >>> >>>Have a wonderful day >>> >>>Sanusi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>Pah: >>> > >>> > I read with interest your posted message on >>> > Hon. Almamy Touray's expulsion from UDP. You >>> > indicated that one of the reasons was that >>> > Hon. Touray did not follow party rules of >>> > conduct and also was silent during the passage >>> > of the last controversial bill in the legislature. >>> > You further stated that he was working with the >>> > enemy forces against the interest of UDP. >>> > >>> > I am really concern about the subjective >>> > interpretation by the UDP leadership in this >>> > situation. Hon. Touray was elected to represent >>> > the people of Niani. His duty as a member of the >>> > legislature is to interpret legislative issues >>> > objectively and if he fails to do sure, he has >>> > breached a contract with his constituency. >>> > >>> > I am further concern that with the present state >>> > of affairs in our country, the opposition should >>> > be engaging in building a family tree rather than >>> > cutting it down. I do not condone Hon. Touray's >>> > behavior, but I am concern with the lack of >>> > independence that elected members must exhibit >>> > during parliamentary proceedings. No elected >>> > representative should robber stamp any initiative >>> > endorsed by his or her political party. As we >>> > reach a finer moment in our struggle, we need to >>> > embrace each other rather than destroy the >>> > bridge building initiative that the opposition >>> > started. >>> > >>> > In this analysis, I condemn the leadership of UDP >>> > for expelling Hon. Almamy Touray. Hon. Touray has >>> > all the rights to be a renegade member of The >>> > Gambian legislature. I have not heard from the >>> > speaker or the clerk of the legislature of any >>> > violations committed by Hon. Touray. If it is >>> > true that the gentleman did not violate any >>> > parliamentary proceeding, then the UDP leadership >>> > acted unwisely to expel Hon. Almamy Touray. It >>> > seems that the UDP leadership is enabling a void >>> > in inflicting a serious wound to the image of its >>> > party. Though I am a passive supporter of UDP, I >>> > have a duty to disagree in principle in expelling >>> > a member of The Gambian legislature from an >>> > opposition party trying hard to unseat a dictator. >>> > >>> > Naphiyo, >>> > >>> > Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh >>> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >>Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>You may also send subscription requests to >>[log in to unmask] >>if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write >>your >>full name and e-mail address. >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >You may also send subscription requests to >[log in to unmask] >if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your >full name and e-mail address. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------