KB and Hamjatta,

Thanks for your responses to our pathological liar Kebba 'Joke' Nying Jobe.  I can count on you guys to tackle this pathetic and perverse character.  When i woke up this morning to his filth again i just thought let me leave this guy alone.  It seems to me 'Joke' Nying is not worth any second of my time. 

Regards,

Mboge

>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Joke and the Truth
>Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:42:53 -0400
>
>Joke, to say that you are a despicable human being would be an
>understatement. As people keep telling you, you are the worst breed
>of
>Gambian in the face of the earth. Why? Because you know ALL the
>facts, but
>decided to still side with evil. This is an informed decision on
>your part.
>
>When you came here earlier on with your crocodile tears about Mr.
>Colly’s
>account of the heinous crimes AFPRC committed against our people, we
>saw
>through you right away. Sanusi jumped on you forthwith. I see you
>conveniently dodged his pointed question to you asking you to
>reevaluate
>your loyalty to AFPRC/APRC in light of Colly’s devastating
>revelations. I
>just ignored you knowing that it would not take long for you to show
>your
>true colors. Now you have. It did not even take you a handful of
>postings to
>show how phony and despicable you are. Now we can safely say that
>when you
>were crying with your wife, you were not crying for Gibriel Saye and
>his
>family, but you were crying for Kebba Joke’s fate. Colly reminded
>you about
>the animals you are dealing with. You wept because you and your wife
>realized that if the animals can do it to Saye, why not Kebba Joke.
>After
>you recollected yourself, wiped your tears, you now decided to
>conclude that
>Colly is lying; otherwise why would he wait six years to tell his
>story. See
>why Saul said that you are in denial? If you want, you can convince
>yourself
>that Colly is lying. Saye et al were not slaughtered by Yaya and his
>gang.
>Those of us that are not in denial know better. As soon as you
>pleaded
>ignorance about Colly’s revelations the other day, I wanted to point
>out
>your hypocrisy and lies, but vigilant brothers like Sanusi, Mboge
>and Kujabi
>beat me to it. What Colly revealed just confirmed what people like
>me knew
>since November 1994. Colly just gave us the gory details that only
>participants like Baboucarr Jatta would know. But it was an open
>secret in
>Gambia that Saye for instance was NOT killed in the line of fire at
>‘Depot’.
>Everyone knew that he was summarily executed in cold-blood. What we
>did not
>know, was for instance, that the animals have to ‘machete’ his legs
>in order
>to fit him in a mass grave. Remember that Colly was responding to a
>direct
>question from me. He did not just wait until after six years to tell
>a
>story. He mentioned Saye in passing in an earlier post. That made me
>start
>thinking about the gentleman again and I asked Colly to verify
>whether the
>Saye he mentioned was the same man that was slaughtered in
>connection with
>the bogus November 1994 ‘counter-coup’. So you see that your
>insinuations do
>not even hold water. If you have facts different from what Colly
>wrote,
>bring those facts forward. Don’t say that Colly must be lying
>because he did
>not tell his story earlier on. What is the “official” version
>according to
>you. You want to live in denial. Fine with me. But don’t lie about
>people.
>Colly’s facts are irrefutable. Go to the camp and ask Jatta what
>happened.
>Go to Saye’s dad and tell him that his son was killed in a gunfight
>at
>‘Depot’ on the night of November 11, 1994. I wonder between me and
>you who
>is wearing blinkers. We gave you all the facts and you turn around
>and use
>your sick brain to convince yourself that Colly must be lying or
>else he
>would have revealed these facts a long time ago. Be my guest and
>keep on
>living in ‘lala-land’.
>
>Turning to our children and the April Massacre, you again showed why
>it is
>an understatement to describe you as despicable. You blamed our
>children and
>then turn around and say that you do not want to be seen as blaming
>them.
>Despite the fact that your government does not have any proof, you
>also
>blamed the press and the UDP for the Massacre of our children. You
>also
>dishonestly used Colly’s words to blame the soldiers that were
>acting on
>Yaya’s orders. You also blamed Ebrima Barry for getting slaughtered
>by the
>firemen the children were denying justice to. Joke, how can you
>sleep at
>night? You are advocating for due process to be applied in the
>dispensation
>of justice vis-à-vis the firemen in the Ebrima Barry murder. Yet you
>do not
>see the need to apply due process in the massacre of our children.
>Do you
>know the outcome of the Ebrima Barry case? In light of that outcome
>and Dr.
>Sam’s testimony, was it unreasonable for our children to cry foul on
>April
>10 and 11, 2000? How did the press cause the massacre? How did UDP
>cause the
>massacre? If Yaya did not give the orders, why did he not punish the
>people
>that acted without his orders and massacred our children? You see
>how you
>are trying to defend the indefensible? You tell us all this garbage
>and turn
>around and say that you do not deny AFPRC/APRC atrocities. What are
>you
>doing when you blame our children, UDP and the press for the
>Massacre? I
>wonder who you think you are dealing with. I am beginning to believe
>that
>perhaps we are dealing with a lunatic when we deal with you. Shows
>the
>caliber of people on the APRC side. The best they have to tell their
>side
>cannot even forward one single plausible argument for them.
>Pathetic.
>
>Yaya and corruption. Again who is wearing blinkers? Your reason for
>saying
>that Yaya is not corrupt, is just laughable. You mean to tell us
>that Yaya
>is not corrupt because Central Bank officials would not let him?
>Joke, wake
>up from your slumber. Talking about Central Bank, let me give you a
>hint and
>ask you to inquire about who Lang Conteh is. Ask around about his
>business
>dealings with Yaya. For starters, every ten-year-old in The Gambia
>knows
>that when Yaya wants to loot the Central Bank, the drunkards you
>listed in
>your piece would be the last people to stop Yaya. Like you, they are
>all
>low-life cowards after self-preservation.
>
>To illustrate Yaya’s corruption to other subscribers (because Joke
>is in
>denial and until Yaya blows Joke’s brains up, the moron will not get
>it),
>let me share with you an excerpt from a ruling from a Swiss court on
>the
>‘Ebou Jallow’ case. The judge in the case said: “for the
>US$3,000,000 in
>contention, transferred from the CENTRAL BANK OF GAMBIA to account
>no: 49275
>opened in Ebou Jallow’s name at Credit Lyonnais, the account manager
>is
>equally categorical: when Ebou Jallow asked to remove the entire
>US$3,000,000 in cash, the manager CONTACTED PRESIDENT JAMMEH BY
>TELEPHONE
>who CONFIRMED to him that he was aware of the fact that the amount
>originated from the CENTRAL BANK OF THE GAMBIA and that it had been
>credited
>to Ebou Jallow’s PERSONAL ACCOUNT.” Emphasis mine.
>
>Joke, there are more revelations about corruption where this comes
>from. The
>manager I quoted above also revealed to us how he helped Yaya opened
>his
>(Yaya’s) personal Swiss account at Credit Lyonnais and gave Ebou
>Jallow
>power of attorney to that account. But people like me do not even
>need these
>types of evidence to show that the moron is corrupt. Just look
>around you
>back home. Just last week I laid my hands on the blueprints of the
>villas
>Yaya built in Kanilai (including the map of his bunker). Did Yaya
>build that
>from his ‘multi-million dollar salary from the Gambian taxpayers’?
>Or are
>these the proceeds of ‘gifts’ he got from Taiwan?
>
>Joke, your stupidity is just mind-boggling.
>KB
>
>
>
>>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Jobe and the Truth
>>Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:34:59 -0000
>>
>>1) Hamjatta, you wrote:
>>
>>“Kebba Joke,
>>Yeah, that's right! From now onwards, you shall be known on this
>>forum as
>>Kebba Joke - courtsey of Brother KB. As he wittily pointed out to
>>you, you
>>are nothing but a big joke. So we will just have to finesse the
>>earlier
>>identity crisis you've gone through and save you the trouble of
>>mistaking
>>yourself for Daddy Nying. We will henceforth expunge the "b" in the
>>"Jobe"
>>and replace it with "k" so you shall become now as Kebba Joke. I
>>advice all
>>my compatriots to stick to this name so there wouldn't be any need
>>for
>>confusions. See me? Kebba Joke, the joke is on you”.
>>
>>Hamjatta, like I said on a number of occasions I don’t give a damn
>>what you
>>call me. The fact remains that whenever you are engaged
>>constructively, you
>>change the subject thinking you can fool me. What we’ve been
>>talking about
>>is inconsistency, incompetence and arrogance of the UDP that you
>>finally
>>admitted just a few days ago. Because of your blinkered vision
>>coupled with
>>your narrow mindedness you’ve all along refuse to accept that there
>>may be
>>some problems with the way the UDP ran its campaign during the
>>recent bye
>>elections. I tried to point this out to you to no avail. You
>>stubbornly
>>maintained that the UDP battering in Kiang East was solely due to
>>vote-buying.
>>
>>“A verminous and cretinous wimp like you who is scared shitless by
>>mere
>>rhetorics from refined gentlemen like Darbo and his deputy Yayha
>>Jallow
>>would never get it why we constructively engaged the UDP. But smart
>>individuals like Mballow and Darbo knew exactly what we are onto
>>and
>>instead
>>of threatening us - as Jammeh most certainly have - they engaged
>>us;
>>accepted some of our criticisms; state what they will do about the
>>shortcomings highlighted and where they politely begged to differ,
>>they
>>clearly explaained. This is how a truly democratic, decent,
>>accomodating
>>and
>>tolerant civic association handles dialogues;…”
>>
>>Hamjatta, there you go again with your vulgarity. You know very
>>well that
>>you are lying through your teeth when you say the above. You are
>>incapable
>>of accommodating any divergent view. You are as intolerant of views
>>that
>>you
>>don’t share as can be. Your narrow mindedness will not allow you to
>>be
>>otherwise.
>>
>>Saul Khan, you wrote:
>>
>>“Hamjatta,
>>
>>Like many have opined here, I believe the man's sole
>>motive for being here is to distract us from engaging in productive
>>ventures. While he sometimes protest that he's open to conversion,
>>he never
>>passes up an opportunity to say why he CANNOT support any of the
>>alternative
>> parties to Yaya Jammeh (the APRC party and the man are one and
>>the same.)
>>And to make matters worse, Jobe Nying keeps telling us that
>>highlighting
>>the
>>atrocities committed by this rogue regime aren't "issues that
>>matter" to
>>Gambians”.
>>
>>Saul you cannot be further from the truth than this. The fact that
>>I
>>willing
>>admit it when others point better reasons for not supporting this
>>regime is
>>clearer pointer that I give the devil its due. May be as time goes
>>on I
>>could be convinced that I betting on the wrong horse. All that is
>>important
>>to me, for now, is for every one to put across your point as
>>convincingly
>>as
>>one can. At the end of the day all would have been heard and we can
>>all
>>make
>>more informed choices. The dishonesty of some on this forum is what
>>I will
>>not swallow hook, line and sinker. To condemn the all the APRC
>>projects as
>>white elephant projects then turn around saying they are Jawara’s
>>projects
>>designed by inept civil servants only to turn around yet again
>>claiming
>>that
>>even if they are good projects they were stolen. Utter rubbish, if
>>you ask
>>me.
>>
>>”Besides the twisted logic the man exhibits, there's something
>>really scary
>>about Jobe which yourself and KB have already highlighted: Mr.
>>Kebba Jobe
>>Daddy Nying is a very COLD, SADISTIC, and hypocritical character.
>>He's a
>>first-hand witness to the Hell Ride Gambians are being dragged on
>>by the
>>Criminal Syndicate a.k.a. APRC govt., but because it hasn't
>>affected him
>>directly, he's indifferent to the calamity”. He is comfortable
>>supporting
>>an
>>irredeemably despotic regime, even while he decries the main
>>opposition's
>>potential for those tendencies”!
>>
>>Perhaps you are right that may be my support of the regime is
>>partly
>>attributable to the fact that it has not affected me directly. But
>>if you
>>apply the same logic to the entire Gambian populace, isn’t it
>>scary? The
>>question to ask your self is whether all the Gambians supporting
>>this
>>regime
>>have all degenerated to such low lives. Again ask yourself why some
>>of us
>>still support this regime despite all the atrocities that this
>>government
>>has done. I am sorry to tell you that the answers that you come up
>>with
>>cannot be narrowed down to your above assessment. You will find
>>that some
>>answers will be found within the quality of the main UDP campaign
>>strategy.
>>
>>”Mr. Jobe Nying cannot support the UDP because they're a bunch of
>>"angry
>>tribalists" whose intent to "reverse everything" the APRC has done
>>will
>>plunge the country into "civil war." This isn't the first time
>>we've seen
>>people invoke such fears to disguise their real intention: seeing
>>the
>>perpetuation of a corrupt, and absolutely tyrannical regime. If
>>we're going
>>to be honest, we're duty-bound to separate our personal interests
>>from that
>>which benefits/hinders our larger society most”.
>>
>>The last sentence of the above I quoted from you is the basis of
>>building
>>up
>>one’s credibility. Self denial and selective amnesia punctuated by
>>arrogance
>>will not build up any body’s credibility. Ask your self whether by
>>accepting
>>some of people’s views when you have divergent views is wrong. When
>>you
>>agreed with me about our rising population and the relevance of
>>some of the
>>APRC development projects to the ordinary people of this country,
>>didn’t
>>some people on this forum admonish you for simply strengthening the
>>credibility that you have built up for your self? Lets call a spade
>>a
>>spade.
>>Any body who is willing to accept any other person’s views should
>>not
>>expect
>>anybody to also blindly accept their views.
>>
>>I am reproducing the following because it is very pertinent to
>>democracy in
>>the Gambia and the current debate.
>>
>>”1. Mr. Jobe Nying is right that Yaya Jammeh isn’t the biggest
>>menace to
>>our
>>society: Him and his types are! There’s a theory in modern politics
>>called
>>“Plausible Deniability” that is often used to save leaders from
>>embarrassing
>>situations. In other words, the leader didn’t “see” what he’s in
>>fact seen,
>>or doesn’t “know about” what he actually knows to be going on:
>>Reagan in
>>the
>>Iran-Contra scandal, Helmut Kohl in the “money for influence” pact
>>his
>>party
>>had with many German businesses, etc. Get the drift? The Kebba Jobe
>>Daddy
>>Nyings of the Gambia have turned this whole concept into a
>>shameless art
>>form. They live and breathe it daily. They know about the savagery
>>constantly meted out to opponents of the regime. They know about
>>the open
>>bleeding of public coffers. They know about the falsification of
>>all types
>>of govt. documents. They know about the sorry existence the
>>majority of
>>Gambians are forced to live thanks to the APRC. They know about
>>the
>>alarming EXODUS of TALENTED Gambians (the bedrock of the economy.)
>>And they
>>know about the unjustified harassment many ordinary Gambians are
>>subjected
>>to on a daily basis. Yet, despite all this, the Kebba Jobe Daddy
>>Nyings
>>shut out these facts because things haven’t hit home directly. So
>>they
>>defend the criminals, and rationalize their actions, as “neutral”
>>civil
>>servants, or “respectable” Cabinet Secretaries. They call it
>>“Serving My
>>Nation With Honor.” A very catchy phrase indeed. But once Yaya
>>Jammeh fires
>>them, or their wives, sisters, daughters or sons run afoul of the
>>system,
>>then Raja Sesame! What a mighty surprise! The opposition, and
>>critics on
>>Gambia-L are indeed right about the APRC govt.! It’s time to be
>>“patriotic.”
>>But until then, it’s “plausible deniability” with the deformed
>>logic of a
>>hypocrite. Talk about trying to wake up a “pretend-sleeper!”
>>
>>Plausible deniability? What are you talking about? Not once did I
>>deny any
>>of the wrongful deeds attributed to this regime. If that is not
>>clear yet,
>>I
>>will state my position on these again.
>>
>>On corruption and the pilfering of state coffers by Yahya Jammeh,
>>the
>>evidence is just not there. Nobody in his right mind can honestly
>>say that
>>very fine and refined gentlemen like Clark Bajo, Val Jentsen and
>>Momodou
>>Cessay, all of the Central bank will sit idly by while our treasury
>>is
>>being
>>emptied by Yahya and his people. That Yahya is extremely wealthy is
>>stating
>>it mildly. He is a very wealthy man. However, let’s not forget that
>>he is
>>actively engaged in agriculture and animal husbandry. Our
>>constitution
>>unlike that of the US does limit the amount/value of gifts that the
>>president can receive. Perhaps this is a flaw or may be not. None
>>of you
>>will deny that former president Jawara received gifts even from our
>>very
>>poor farmers. The difference here is that Yahya is giving to the
>>poor
>>rather
>>taking from them. Any honest Gambian will also accept the fact that
>>it is
>>the APRC government that has made it mandatory for the national
>>audit
>>office
>>to submit its reports directly to the national assembly yearly. It
>>has
>>never
>>happened before.
>>
>>On the alleged cold-blooded murder of some members of our security
>>forces,
>>the only tangible explanations given so far have been the official
>>version
>>and Ebou Colly’s recent report. Now the question is which version
>>is true?
>>Why has Ebou Colly’s version surfacing almost 6 years later? Could
>>any of
>>you have imagined that the picture he painted about this fateful
>>day and
>>the
>>following day could have really taken place in the Gambia of all
>>places?
>>
>>On the April 10 & 11 slaughter of our kids, I condemn it in toto as
>>well as
>>the recently passed indemnity act. However, I totally disagree that
>>Yahya
>>is
>>solely responsible for what happened. Let’s say he gave the order
>>to shoot
>>our children. How many of you really believed that in Gambia of all
>>places,
>>our security forces can put live bullets in their riffles, aim at
>>young
>>demonstrating school children and open fire on them time after
>>time? This
>>is
>>what Ebou Colly said of our then field force:
>>
>>“…service men were literally social-outcasts in terms of origin,
>>education,
>>social status, family background and self-esteem. So instead of
>>having fine
>>warriors prepared to lay their lives for the defense of their
>>nation, we
>>ended up grooming angry jealous armed men full of hate and
>>destructive
>>tendencies ready to follow any deviant or criminal into a path of
>>national
>>destruction”. Are our security forces of today any different?
>>
>>Secondly, the rights that the demonstrating school children have to
>>see to
>>it that justice is done regarding the alleged murder of the late
>>Ebrima
>>Barry and the alleged rape of the Brikama school girl should also
>>be
>>extended to the 6 accused fire service men. They are also Gambians
>>who are
>>also protected by the same constitution and have the right to be
>>assumed
>>innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. In the first place
>>was
>>there
>>any necessity for the demonstrations considering the fact that
>>those
>>accused
>>of the late Ebrima’s torture that led to his death were already
>>behind bars
>>at the central mile 2 prisons. Are these firemen not entitled to a
>>fair
>>trial or do we just arrest them convict them and just lynch them? I
>>am not
>>saying that it is the children’s fault for getting shot as some
>>narrow
>>minded people would like you to believe. All am saying here is that
>>lack of
>>tolerance on the side of both the children and security forces
>>coupled with
>>that irresponsible press coverage and UDP pronouncements provided
>>the
>>fertile ground for explosion that followed.
>>
>>On the arrest and detentions especially of the UDP militants, it is
>>entirely
>>of their making. Their vulgar pronouncements and incitements are of
>>their
>>own making.
>>
>>I will not touch on the Dumo Saho saga as it is before the courts
>>and I
>>don’t know much about it.
>>
>>You also wrote:
>>
>>“2. The second point is this attempt to portray anyone who calls
>>for
>>justice for victims of the APRC “extremists,” “haters,”
>>“intolerant,”
>>“tribalist,” “anarchist,” etc. Very disingenuous, this one.
>>
>>This is absolute rubbish and you know it. Those I’ve labeled
>>extremists,
>>haters and intolerant are the narrow minded ones who stubbornly
>>refuse
>>others their right to express alternative views different from
>>their own.
>>These are the Hamjattas, Damphas, Makevelis, Ansuman Kujabis,
>>Momodou
>>Mboges, Lamin Barrows, etc, etc.
>>
>>You wrote:
>>
>>“You see there are two types of Gambians: those who are demanding
>>justice
>>and fair play uncompromisingly, and those whose assiduous attempt
>>to
>>protect
>>their vested interest believe the pursuit of material well-being is
>>exculpatory. Somehow, as long as they’re making money, or have “big
>>jobs,”
>>it really doesn’t matter HOW they do it. Ignore basic human
>>etiquette? Why
>>not! Close one’s eyes to murder and mayhem? Who said you can’t?
>>Prostitute
>>oneself and wive(s)? It’s just “temporary” – I’m the permanent
>>owner. How
>>about letting Massa XYZ have a little fun with sister Kumba, or
>>daughter
>>Fatou? Hey what’s the harm – since they’re bound to give it up,
>>they may as
>>well give it up to the “Big Man” – the “good genes?”
>>
>>Dead wrong. You see your warped mind at work? How another group
>>that
>>believes that the best way to convince any one is to provide
>>evidence that
>>is convincing. How about those who believe in retribution but not
>>revenge?
>>How about those who believe that an eye for eye will only make the
>>whole
>>world blind?
>>
>>“This is the twisted mentality of the Kebba Jobe Daddy Nyings. They
>>cannot
>>understand why some of us could stick to principles when turning a
>>blind
>>eye
>>could get us “good jobs” and material things as members of the “In”
>>club.
>>Their behavior is as sickening as it is shameless. The disgust and
>>contempt
>>is certainly mutual. People on our side should take Kebba Jobe
>>Daddy
>>Nying’s
>>labels (“extremists,” “haters,” “intolerant,” “tribalist,”
>>“anarchists,”)
>>as
>>a compliment. Anything kinder from one who so cheerfully
>>strengthens the
>>hand of the devil, would be a blow to decent human beings
>>everywhere.
>>There’s no salvation for one who arrogantly cheerleads for a band
>>of
>>ne’er-do-wells bent on destroying everything decent about a whole
>>people.
>>What is going on in the Gambia is a tragedy of epic proportions,
>>and the
>>complicity of people like Kebba Jobe Daddy Nying in it is shameful.
>>Very,
>>very, shameful|.
>>
>>The rants and raves of idiots like Pamodou Jobe, Momodou Olly Mboge
>>et al
>>is
>>reminiscent of a mad man and does not bother me. Those of you with
>>your
>>blinkered vision are incapable of critical analysis of current
>>events. To
>>be
>>in denial hoping for better things is for fools. Please wake up.
>>
>>Dampha you wrote
>>“POWERFUL. Joke would not say that you did not warn him. You told
>>him from
>>the onset that as soon as he finished his thesis, you will be on
>>his back.
>>He finished his thesis with a whimper; sobbing as a little child
>>frightened
>>of an imaginary thing. You gave it to him where it hurts most.
>>Joke's most
>>cherished commodity is to gain respectability from decent folks.
>>You told
>>him in no uncertain terms that it takes more than he brings to the
>>table to
>>gain respect from people. I knew all along that you got Joke's
>>number. The
>>moron does not know who he is dealing with. This is not about
>>smarts and
>>writing coherent English. This is about basic integrity. Thank you
>>very
>>much, my brother. You just made my day. I hate the vermin”.
>>
>>Get real, Dampha. I am very capable of taking good care of myself.
>>You
>>cannot but hate me, but that's your business. I know that your
>>narrow
>>mindedness, anger and despair cannot allow you otherwise.
>>
>>Musa Jeng wrote:
>>
>>“Mr. Jobe:
>>
>>Some of us are driven to see a Gambia where the political discourse
>>can
>>be taken to a level, that by even being critical, one can
>>contribute
>>inadvertently to the development process of our country. In any
>>debate/discussion, there are always cynics, skeptics, extremist,
>>fence
>>sitters and positions that are down right dishonest. From the final
>>summation of your case, dishonesty is an understatement”.
>>
>>The dishonesty prevalent in this forum is strongly entrenched in
>>your camp.
>>Self denial, selective amnesia, narrow mindedness while expecting
>>others to
>>respect your views is the epitome of dishonesty.
>>
>>“The last time I contributed my butut to this debate, I was
>>seriously
>>lambasted because I dared to be objective. Not that I was
>>completely naive
>>that you could be a partisan Jammeh supporter, but I strongly
>>believe that
>>the level of the debate can be helped if the other side view can be
>>adequately represented. Clearly, it is not suffice just to hold
>>discussions
>>without hoping that it could ultimately helped the democratization
>>and
>>development of our country. Although, it is unfortunate you are
>>what
>>everybody thought you were, and reading your conclusion, and going
>>back to
>>see some of the adjective directed to me by Mr.Dampha. I still
>>disagree
>>with
>>his characterization, but can now understand the temperament of his
>>argument”.
>>
>>Mr. Jeng, the development of democracy cannot be achieved in the
>>absence of
>>the right to free speech and the right to have a different opinion.
>>This is
>>however not the case with some of your people.
>>
>>“You started out by painting the shortcomings of the first
>>republic, the
>>mismanagement of the economy and the level of corruption during the
>>Jawara
>>era. Not that I disagree with some of your facts, but it is sad
>>that all
>>you
>>sough was political opportunism and you could care less what it did
>>to the
>>country. When you touted the Jammeh projects to build your case,
>>again
>>political expediency was all you cared about. In my last piece,
>>when I
>>posed
>>this question: “What would you tell the disappointed coup
>>supporters who
>>were interested in development projects, political stability,
>>preservation
>>of individual rights, end to corruption, independent judiciary and
>>a new
>>Gambia full of hope and stability.” You completely ignored it. What
>>really
>>dwarfs all your dishonesty was your final summation, that your
>>support to
>>the AFPRC is a direct result of your own views on the UDP party”.
>>
>>Jeng my failure to answer the question is totally inadvertent. So
>>may
>>people
>>have asked me a lot of questions and it is very possible that I
>>overlooked
>>it. To answer your question, I would urge them to continue to
>>discuss these
>>issues with a view to gaining better understanding of what went
>>wrong and
>>why.
>>
>>The only fact to the above statements is that, you support the
>>AFPRC (and
>>only God and yourself no why), and your hatred to the UDP Party,
>>and
>>clearly
>>their political platform has absolutely nothing to do with it. It
>>is sad
>>that you have paraded the hall of the Gambia-L, and some of us were
>>eager
>>to
>>give you the benefit of the doubt. You have willingly ignored the
>>truth and
>>sacrificed the future of your children by actively compromised and
>>mortgaged
>>the future of our country. What was obvious was your inability to
>>invalidate
>>Jammeh’s human rights abuses; and corruption, the single issue that
>>was
>>used
>>to justify the coup, has become synonymous with this
>>administration.
>>Unfortunately, like other war-ridden countries in Africa, the peace
>>that
>>this country is known for is threatened”.
>>
>>Mr. Jeng what constitutes facts, like truth, are not as easily seen
>>by all.
>>That’s why it is important that we more tolerant of each other’s
>>views.
>>After all the country is more than any individual or party. In Game
>>theory
>>there is a game called “Zero-sum game”. This is analogous with
>>gambling
>>with a fair coin (locally called Peps). This is a game that should
>>not
>>played among friends or family members. The simple reason is that
>>one only
>>gains what the other looses. The Gambia should not be subject to a
>>zero-sum
>>game. The notion that we cannot hold divergent views and yet have a
>>common
>>goal is nonsense. Unfortunately there are some who believe that
>>either you
>>are with them or against them.
>>
>>“Mr.Jobe, the future of our democracy and our country starts with
>>the
>>truth, and for people like yourself to understand that you are
>>participating
>>in the destruction of your children’s future. Unless we start to
>>approach
>>our problems with honesty, objectivity and what is ultimately in
>>the
>>interest of the country, we are all engage in the destruction of
>>the
>>Gambia”.
>>
>>Mr. Jeng, I am fully aware of the need to put the interests of our
>>country
>>and people first, and in that endeavor, I am willing to take on any
>>one so
>>that by the end of the day, the weaknesses and strengths of both
>>sides will
>>be there for all to see. Should the UDP win the next elections,
>>which I
>>sincerely doubt, they would have come to power knowing full well
>>what
>>educated Gambians expect of them. All parties in the country will
>>also have
>>come to terms with the reality that politics is no more a taboo
>>subject
>>exclusively monopolized by some families.
>>
>>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>>
>>>----Original Message Follows----
>>>From: Lamin Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Jobe and the Truth
>>>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:51:35 -0400
>>>
>>>Sorry for the typo and omission. My last two sentences should
>>>have >read:
>>>
>>>It was only a matter of time for him to unwittingly expose
>>>himself.
>>> >Great
>>>observations on your part.
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Lamin Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Jobe and the Truth
>>>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:43:42 -0400
>>>
>>>Mr. Jeng,
>>>
>>>I'm glad you finally saw through this fellow "Jobe". It was only
>>>a matter
>>>of time for him to unwiitingly expose himself. Great observations
>>>on part.
>>>
>>>Lamin Jeng
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Jobe and the Truth
>>>>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:42:33 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Jobe:
>>>>
>>>>Some of us are driven to see a Gambia where the political
>>>>discourse can
>>>>be taken to a level, that by even being critical, one can
>>>>contribute
>>>>inadvertently to the development process of our country. In any
>>>>debate/discussion, there are always cynics, skeptics, extremist,
>>>>fence
>>>>sitters and positions that are down right dishonest. From the
>>>>final
>>>>summation of your case, dishonesty is an understatement.
>>>>
>>>>The last time I contributed my butut to this debate, I was
>>>>seriously
>>>>lambasted because I dared to be objective. Not that I was
>>>>completely
>>>>naive that you could be a partisan Jammeh supporter, but I
>>>>strongly
>>>>believe that the level of the debate can be helped if the other
>>>>side
>>>>view can be adequately represented. Clearly, it is not suffice
>>>>just to
>>>>hold discussions without hoping that it could ultimately helped
>>>>the
>>>>democratization and development of our country. Although, it is
>>>>unfortunate you are what everybody thought you were, and reading
>>>>your
>>>>conclusion, and going back to see some of the adjective directed
>>>>to me
>>>>by Mr.Dampha. I still disagree with his characterization, but can
>>>>now
>>>>understand the temperament of his argument.
>>>>
>>>>You started out by painting the shortcomings of the first
>>>>republic, the
>>>>mismanagement of the economy and the level of corruption during
>>>>the
>>>>Jawara era. Not that I disagree with some of your facts, but it
>>>>is sad
>>>>that all you sough was political opportunism and you could care
>>>>less
>>>>what it did to the country. When you touted the Jammeh projects
>>>>to build
>>>>your case, again political expediency was all you cared about. In
>>>>my
>>>>last piece, when I posed this question: “What would you tell the
>>>>disappointed coup supporters who were interested in development
>>>>projects, political stability, preservation of individual rights,
>>>>end to
>>>>corruption, independent judiciary and a new Gambia full of hope
>>>>and
>>>>stability.” You completely ignored it. What really dwarfs all
>>>>your
>>>>dishonesty was your final summation, that your support to the
>>>>AFPRC is a
>>>>direct result of your own views on the UDP party.
>>>>
>>>>The only fact to the above statements is that, you support the
>>>>AFPRC
>>>>(and only God and yourself no why), and your hatred to the UDP
>>>>Party,
>>>>and clearly their political platform has absolutely nothing to do
>>>>with
>>>>it. It is sad that you have paraded the hall of the Gambia-L, and
>>>>some
>>>>of us were eager to give you the benefit of the doubt. You have
>>>>willingly ignored the truth and sacrificed the future of your
>>>>children
>>>>by actively compromised and mortgaged the future of our country.
>>>>What
>>>>was obvious was your inability to invalidate Jammeh’s human
>>>>rights
>>>>abuses; and corruption, the single issue that was used to justify
>>>>the
>>>>coup, has become synonymous with this administration.
>>>>Unfortunately,
>>>>like other war-ridden countries in Africa, the peace that this
>>>>country
>>>>is known for is threatened.
>>>>
>>>>Mr.Jobe, the future of our democracy and our country starts with
>>>>the
>>>>truth, and for people like yourself to understand that you are
>>>>participating in the destruction of your children’s future.
>>>>Unless we
>>>>start to approach our problems with honesty, objectivity and what
>>>>is
>>>>ultimately in the interest of the country, we are all engage in
>>>>the
>>>>destruction of the Gambia.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Musa Jeng
>>
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