Mr. Kebba Dampha, I am sure you will agree with me that: - in a true court of law, one is treated innocent until proven guilty- the same standard must be applied to either Barrow or Sanyang even if they appear to be part of a government conspiracy -real defense lawyers do not go about debunking the prosecutions case before they get into the court room- an element of surprise is always an advantage in a trial -it is the responsibility of the journalist and not the public to verify the authenticity of the news they bring to us. I do not think either you or I are any qualified to lecture Ebrima Ceesay about that. Thank you Malanding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: Re: On Dumo Saho, Barrow and others > Jaiteh, for you to suggest that us talking about this case in public is > irresponsible and we are putting people's lives in jeopardy, is grossly > unfair and misleading. You made this erroneous attack on G_L the other day > and pretended that you sent the mail to us inadvertently. I took it in good > faith and sought to explain to both you and Bamba Laye that I do not think > that this discussion will hurt the accused persons. Despite that you have > not shown an iota of proof that what we said is going to hurt the accused > persons, you still insist that we are being irresponsible by engaging in > this discussion. If you doubt whether these Statements are authentic, why > don't you ask Lalo's lawyers for your own personal consumption? I understand > Lalo is family to you. Why don't you quit making these vague statements and > innuendo and come up with specific facts? Prove that Ebrima's Sources are > wrong about the authenticity of these Statements. If you really do not want > to talk about it publicly, tell me or Ebrima in private why you believe > these Statements are not authentic. You should not take lightly how you > constantly question people's motives and integrity. > > For your information, I do NOT discuss everything I know about these cases. > My latest posting to G_L illustrates that point. I know more about the > Emanuel Joof case than I just said. Do you know the reason why I did that > even before you sent this your ill-advised piece? I think about the > repercussions of my statements on these cases before I utter them. I will be > the last person to say something that will put the lives of these innocent > citizens in jeopardy. I can even go further and say that I could be more > guarded than some of the accused persons themselves. None of them is family > to me. Matter of fact, I do not know any of them personally. But I am very > concerned about their plight. I hate what is happening to them. I do not > assume from your silence on G_L about this matter that you do not care about > Lalo. I give you benefit of the doubt. Why don't you accord us the same > courtesy and not insinuate that we are irresponsible? Before you make us > aspersions, you should be ready to show how our statements negatively impact > the lives of Dumo et al. > > Do you realize that your statements even affect family members of victims > that partake in these discussions you are querying about? Are you suggesting > too that those people are irresponsible and are indifferent to the plight of > their loved ones? I know you do not mean to inflict more misery on these > poor victims. But it is mind-boggling to me why you keep attacking people > that are trying to help without substantiating your beliefs. > > There are some List members that can attest to you that since last year I > would send private mails to certain individuals cautioning them about what > to release regarding this case. You would not know that. Those were tactical > calls in order not to jeopardize the defense of these innocent citizens. > Those were NOT the calls of someone that is indifferent to the plight of > these victims and would discuss their case in public to their detriment. I > challenge you or anyone to show me where in my discussions I jeopardize > these people's lives. > > Like I told Bamba Laye, what did you want people to do once this 'damaging' > Statements were out there? Granted that even to the amateur there is nothing > damaging on Lalo. You want for us to us to ignore the Statements entirely? > You want the whole world to take what Barrow, Sanyang and Francesco said is > the truth? Or do you want us to lamely argue that the Statements are not > authentic without providing proof? If you have proof that the Statements are > fake, fine. Let us know and we will stop talking about these Statements as > if they are authentic. That is better than just throwing accusations at > people and pretending that you care for Lalo and we do not care about his > life. > > Let me also inform you that I am not looking at this as a political matter. > I feel that some innocent citizens are being victimized by a lawless regime. > I feel what happened to these citizens could have happened to any of our > family members. As I keep pointing out, my main focus is on the way the > threshold has been lowered for all of us. Now it does not take much to > arrest and incarcerate innocent citizens. I will appreciate it a great deal > if some of you people on G_L were more forthright. Speak directly to people > if you have something to say. No one will kill you. Talk directly to me if > you have a problem or directly to Ebrima if you have a problem with his > Sources. > KB > > > >From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > ><[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: On Dumo Saho, Barrow and others > >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:46:31 -0400 > > > >I tried to avoid this discussion two reasons. 1. There is no evidence that > >these so-called cautionary statements are indeed authentic and 2. Even if > >they are authentic I am troubled about publicly debating the case. This is > >because whatever the argument, pro or against could be used by the > >prosecution who would do anything to see that these people are guilty as > >charged. Jammeh's refusal to bring this matter to court should tell us all > >what there is in it. > >The reality is the case is not just politics, it is a matter of life and > >death for the accused. > > > > > >Malanding Jaiteh > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "saul khan" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:05 AM > >Subject: Re: On Dumo Saho, Barrow and others > > > > > > > KB, > > > > > > Is it me, or is there something amiss in this whole > > > "coup plot" business? Looks like Alagi Kanteh was > > > supposed to be the leader. The guy was a Captain in > > > the army, so one would assume he knows a few things > > > about security. Yet, from the US Embassy Guard -Ablie > > > Sanyang's "Cautionary Statement," rtd Capt. Kanteh, > > > just out of the blue asked him -someone Kanteh DID NOT > > > EVEN KNOW - whether he knows how to fire a gun, so he > > > can become part of the conspiracy to topple Yaya > > > Jammeh. Possible? Maybe. Probable? I can't imagine. > > > Kanteh would have to be the biggest fool to talk coup > > > d'etat with people he doesn't even know. Did I miss > > > something? > > > > > > > > > On a related note, I understand that this Kanteh > > > fellow has always had a problem with the APRC's > > > lawlessness, for which he was once dismissed only to > > > be re-hired. I understand Modou Soma Jobe (Baabaa > > > Jobe's cousin) used to be his Deputy, but the two > > > couldn't get along because Kanteh wouldn't allow the > > > harassment of opposition sympathizers. That he was the > > > only Commissioner who declares publicly that he's > > > apolitical. Could this whole "coup" thing be part of > > > the war to get rid of him, and people considered a > > > thorn in the govt.'s side? I'm really stunned by what > > > is happening to Emmanuel Joof right now. Are these > > > people ever going to stop acting God? Will they ever > > > settle for anything less than the total subjugation of > > > ALL THINKING Gambians? > > > > > > Good morning. > > > > > > Saul. > > > > > > > > > --- Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Ebrima, my heartfelt thanks for the tremendous > > > > journalistic work you did to > > > > unearth these statements. In my humble opinion, the > > > > victims and their > > > > families should be grateful to you and your Sources > > > > for bringing this to the > > > > open and showing the whole world how these innocent > > > > and defenseless citizens > > > > are being railroaded by the illegal and callous > > > > government we have back > > > > home. I hope journalists in the country follow your > > > > cue and do some further > > > > digging in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > > > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- > > > > > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > >Gambia-L > > > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > You may also send subscription requests to > >[log in to unmask] > > > if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write > >your full name and e-mail address. > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >You may also send subscription requests to > >[log in to unmask] > >if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your > >full name and e-mail address. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] > if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------