>From: jamba jobe <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Compassion Without Wisdom >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:58:40 +0000 > >Hamjatta, your attitude is a classical case of intellectual >dishonesty. Your >insistence on misquotations is the very essence of my argument , >ever since >your started on Marx, with all his writings on History, Economics, >Philosophy and Science in general, you did not come with a single >posting of >relevance about the essence of the work of such a great thinker all >you do >is quoting out of context and make misleading inferences, this is >typical of >people who just shout on top of their voices seeking attention, but >if you >are a serious debater we should dwell into the teachings of this >great >thinker a find out what his teachings were about and how relevant to >the >needs of our times they are but a petty G-l surfer like you can >never be >comprehended by you because you have become so dogmatic that you can >never >appreciate what Marxism is about. What am telling you is devoid of >sentiments is just calling you to open up mall mind and not be >trapped by >propaganda, with such an obstinate attitude you would be the loser >because >as a young man searching for knowledge and ideas you cannot to any >one who >surpasses Marx. There is no University worthy of its salt that would >teach >about, History, Economics, Law, without having to deal with Karl >Marx. In >fact many if not most respected lecturers in these higher >instructions of >learning are usually referred to as Marxist, this is just to point >out to >you that you are too irrelevant to challenge his teachings, because >what he >espoused was based on dialectics which is scientific realism it does >not >matter who agrees or disagrees, it shall always be there to confront >you. >Even the Catholic church had to struggle when in Latin America the >concept >of Liberation theology based on the doctrinaire of the teachings of >Marx >started to take hold of the people. Marxist teachings is just >addressing >reality as one sees it, but I can understand it would be difficult >for you >to comprehend because you already been prejudiced by the figments of >your >thoughts. You are a typical Thatcherite who believed in the crusade >to >exorcise the demon of Marxism, I can assure you that you are going >to fail >because the majority of the people of the world would have to >survive and in >other to do that the world economic relationship will have to >change, we >cannot continue to have a system which we have to be the producers >of cheap >raw materials and at the same the purchasers of very expensive >inflated >finished capitalists products. Such a relationship is no longer >tenable we >have to find and alternative or else , you and me will never want to >go back >and live in those impoverished conditions in our countries. If you >continue >to argue for such an economic relation to continue I would conclude >that >there is something wrong about you. The situation we are faced with >is not >much choice we either liberate ourselves from the clutches of this >monstrous >system and create a more fairer just and humane system or we should >accept >the guilt of allowing millions to die under so called free trade >policies >designed and implemented by the IMF with the help of economist or >politicians of your caliber who could be easily duped to help rob >our. >SAUL >>From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: Compassion Without Wisdom >>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:41:42 EDT >>i >>Mr Sulayman Jamba Jobe,THEOLOGY >> >>You need help - seriously! With all the froth coming from all the >>pieces >>you've thrown at me so far, you are in great need of help to sober >>your >>clogged and twisted faculties of reasoning and discernment. I, for >>one, >>enjoyed reading your sentimental rambling, especially the bits that >>were >>but >>a figment of your feverish imagination. The last time you postured >>as a >>knowledgeable Marxist crying foul over the fact that i call Marx a >>racist >>and >>sexist creep. When i provided evidence to that effect, you zipped >>up like >>the >>ignoramus you are. Unlike you, when i'm ignorant about something, i >>listen >>whilst those who know the stuff speak and i learn from them. A far >>cry from >>the way you have weighed in my debate with Saiks. I will herein >>provide >>evidence that Marx was a racist creep. Best thing to do is to >>refute that >>with evidence and not emotional nonsense. Here is what i wrote in >>my last >>correspondence on that issue: >> >>"This is Karl Marx in a letter to Friedrich Engels on his contempt >>for >>Ferdinand Lassalle and all he stood for: >> >>"As the shape of his head and the texture of his skin suggest, he >>is >>descended from the negroes who joined Moses in his exodus from >>Egypt >>(unless >>his mother or paternal grandmother were crossed with a nigger). >>This union >>of Jew and German with its negro source was bound to produce a >>strange >>hybrid. The fellow's importunity is also negro" [Karl Marx, Letter >>to >>Engels of 30th. July 1862, in Works, Vol. 30, pp. 257-9, East >>Berlin, >>1974.] >> >>To crown it all, he ended by calling Lassalle a "Jewish nigger". >>Some >>non-racist inclusive internationalist, huh? Worst, Marx at some >>stage was >>opposed to the abolition of slavery in America on the grounds that >>freeing >>blacks from slavery would adversely hinder the progress of working >>class >>white Americans from pre- industrial working class status to >>industrial >>proletarian status without which the violent end he had prophesised >>for >>capitalism would not come to be. Marx was not only a racist creep, >>he >>was a sexist as well. I would like to see you refute this. The >>workers of >>the >>world that Marx had in mind and was calling upon to unite and free >>themselves >>from the shackles of "capitalism" were not blacks, browns, yellows >>and >>women; >>but exclusively proletarian white males." >> >>As for the talk that free trade liberalism exploits the poor and >>the rest >>of >>the romantic hogwash you rambled on about, i will engage you >>anytime you >>start talking knowledgeable stuff instead rehearsing the same >>sentimental >>nonsense that has been repudiated a century ago. >> >>All the best comrade, >> >>Hamjatta Kanteh >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >>Gambia-L >>Web interface at: >>http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>You may also send subscription requests to >>[log in to unmask] >>if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to >>write your >>full name and e-mail address. >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L >Web interface at: >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >You may also send subscription requests to >[log in to unmask] >if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to >write your full name and e-mail address. >----------------------------------------------------------------------------