Sanusi, thanks for your post.  Please read my most recent post on this issue.  I am on the side of the victims, Chongan included.  If you want to categorize my two examples are anecdotes that's fine by me, but as I said in my last post, I witnessed more than the examples I gave.  We camped at the Police Depot and I know what I saw there and the people that did it.  I commend brother Chongan for exposing the thugs, but I WILL also remind him of his victims, lest he forget.  If a know thief from the Jawara reign comes on the L to talk about Yahya's criminality and not talk about what they also did to our coffers back then, I will applaud him and also criticize him for the same offence.  Let's walk in the shoes of all victims and not just some.

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Joe sambou

>From: Sanusi Owens <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPEN TO US AT RIP.
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>I hope you people understand that by focusing on
>Chongan's past record as a soldier/police officer only
>makes things difficult for us. If this is the approach
>then surely people like Sir Dawda K Jawara, OJ Jallow
>and many others cannot speak out about Human Rights
>violation in The Gambia, since we all know what
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>Chongan has only given us an account of what actually
>transpired at Mile II prison. I am sure if Ebou Colly
>had not taken the time and energy to inform us about
>the coup, no one would have heard from Chongan.
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>entirely isolated ones. I agree with you that Chongan
>was not all that perfect as none of us are, but let us
>give this man some respect and treat him humanely. A
>person like Chongan ready to defy the coup plotters
>only goes to show the level of principle and
>"discipline instilled in him. How many other soldiers
>had defied their oath of service to the state by
>switching allegiance to an unlawful government? This
>is why I respect Chongan.He stood firm and if only the
>Gambia 10 of his types at that time, then surely July
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>Please note I am not a praise singer of Chongan. All I
>am saying is how brave he was to defy the junta and
>how sad it is that you cannot give him credit for
>that. If you have been a victim of Chongan's
>misgivings, then certainly try and forgive him, as he
>has suffered a lot for being a loyal soldier/police
>officer of The Gambia.
>To quote a phrase from APRC's Party Constitution
>National interest before Individual interest.-( HOW
>SAD IT IS THAT APRC CANNOT COMPLY THESE PRINCIPLES)
>Lets therefore encourage others to come out and
>elaborate on what actually haappened at Mile II
>prison. By the way, I just can't wait to hear Rtd
>Captain Sana Sabally giving us first hand information
>on how Sadibou Hydara died in custody. We do need to
>know these things in order to build a better future
>after October 2001.
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>Come October 2001 Gambia must be free as Yahya must go
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Ous, thanks for your post. Chongan, what you guys

>went through was brutal to the soul and the
>perpetrators will be brought to book one day. Like
>Ous, however, I also want to call your attention to
>your recent past, prior to 1994. You were not an
>angel yourself and I hope you seek the forgiveness of
>your many victims. So many human rights violations
>were committed by you and your batch mates in the name
>of drunkenness from liquids, power, ego tripping and
>god knows what else. Among your victims at the Zonal
>Competitions in Sere-Kunda, I believe somewhere
>between 1982 and 1985, were Lokai and Badou Carayol,
>to name a few. Lokai in particular, you guys almost
>killed. You guys went bunkers on folks and were on
>skid row until 1994. I understand your position as a
>victim, but I also want you to remember your many
>victims, and I hope your treatment at the hands of the
>thugs would help you understand the painful nature of
>being victimized, not only the physical aspect but
>also on the mind. We have to be truthful to each
>other. You are my brother and I've known you for a
>long time and you have always been cordial towards
>me. However, an injustice to any Gambian by those in
>power is an injustice to all Gambians. This applies
>to all our brothers who were in the force and abused
>their authority. I hope we all learn from our
>youthful indigressions and pledge never again. Moving
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