Hamjatta, I am not finishing with you on this topic,you must have a reply and it will not be private,I am comming,just needed time. For Freedom Saiks ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: World Bank President Praises Cuba > In a message dated 14/07/2001 09:11:52 GMT Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > > << **How can any serious > > intellectual argue that Karl Marx was a racist**. Marx spent his entire life > > time espousing for social justice and all he can get is for nonentities like > > Hamjatta trying to distract us from his immense contribution to social > > science. This clearly confirms that Hamjatta is still a political toddler > > who is not well read to understand the essence of the doctrine of Karl > > MARX. >> > > > Upon first reading this correspondence, all my instincts were to ignore this > writer and his irresponsible comments on my person. On second thoughts, i > think it would be ill-mannered to ignored him and his off-the-wall remarks. > Besides, i have yet to be accused of snobbery. > > Invectives aside, this writer is the typical violent-prone fanatical Marxist > cocooned in the metaphysical fantasies and illusions of certainty that > Marxism since Marx seemed to imbibe in so many and in the process, inducing > and lulling them to a slumber only death can awaken them from. The question > as to whether Marx was a racist had adequately been answered by me in a > correspondence with Saiks. I will herein provide again the same evidence i > offered to Saiks. This is Karl Marx in a letter to Friedrich Engels on his > contempt for Ferdinand Lassalle and all he stood for: > > "As the shape of his head and the texture of his skin suggest, he is > descended from the negroes who joined Moses in his exodus from Egypt (unless > his mother or paternal grandmother were crossed with a nigger). This union > of Jew and German with its negro source was bound to produce a strange > hybrid. The fellow's importunity is also negro" [Karl Marx, Letter to > Engels of 30th. July 1862, in Works, Vol. 30, pp. 257-9, East Berlin, 1974.] > > To crown it all, he ended by calling Lassalle a "Jewish nigger". Some > non-racist inclusive internationalist, huh? Worst, Marx at some stage was > opposed to the abolition of slavery in America on the grounds that freeing > blacks from slavery would adversely hinder the progress of working class > white Americans from pre- industrial working class status to industrial > proletarian status without which the violent end he had prophesised for > capitalism would not come to be. Saiks, Marx was not only a racist creep, he > was a sexist as well. I would like to see you refute this. The workers of the > world that Marx had in mind and was calling upon to unite and free themselves > from the shackles of "capitalism" were not blacks, browns, yellows and women; > but exclusively proletarian white males. > > As i intimated earlier above, the writer of the piece i'm responding to > writes like the typical Marxist fanatical obsessive with low opinions on > anyone who thinks differently. Why is it that people who profess the Marxist > philosophy are so virulently, contemptuously and absurdly opposed to opposing > viewpoints? Aside from learning from the character failings of the old > incendiary himself, Karl Marx - their ideological forebear - Michael > Ignatieff has written what amounts to the best wiseacre on Marxist > fanaticism. In a review of the late reconstructed Marxist scholar, Francois > Furet's autopsy of communism/marxism/socialism, Ignatieff observed: > > "Rage, self-loathing, and aesthetic disdain combined to generate an > eschatological longing for an escape from what Marx called the "narrow > horizon of bourgeois right." Though it purported to be a science of history, > communism actually promised its believers an escape from history, a leap > beyond the flat horizon of bourgeois life into a realm of justice and > equality, abundance and fraternity. This vision of communist paradise may > have been wholly unrealistic, but it certainly mobilized the emotions of true > believers and sustained their abiding hatred of the world as it was. Fascism > shared the same furious hatred of the bourgeoisie, the same loathing for > bourgeois civility and order and profit and prudence, the same intoxication > with political violence and ideological extremism" > > This explains not only the ideological excesses and illusions of this writer > but the breath-taking and pathological disdain the writer seems so full of > for me - just because i happen to see things differently. I have again stated > the evidence that indicts Marx as a racist. Those who see it differently > ought to come up with respectable antitheses grounded in evidence instead of > deluging this List with a plethora of uninformed rhetorical pieties on a > decisively repudiated philosophy like Marxism. As far as i'm concerned, and > despite the insights Marx had made on human existence and relations and the > relevance of some of these insights, the edifice he erected with his > philosophy remains a decisively repudiated one - morally, economically and > politically. > > As i said to Saiks in my last correspondence, this debate has reached the > point where we ought to respectfully agree to disagree and move on. None of > us is likely to change the viewpoint of the other. If people want to refute > my evidence that Marx was a racist, i strongly recommend they send it to me > privately. As far as i'm concerned, i'm through with this debate on Marxism > and related issues - on this List anyway! > > Hamjatta Kanteh > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] > if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------