Yero mama whoever you may be,

I call a spade a spade and not the other round. If the cap fits you, be my guest. There is no need for me to cluster the L with personal mails, if the need be, I'll write to your private mailbox. If you prefer to hurl insults, be my guest, but it has to be done privately. Gambia-L is not interested in our personal exchanges.

I repeat, FJC is a liar and Jammeh is an idiot. fullstop.

-Mose-

>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]>

>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]>

>To: [log in to unmask]

>Subject: Re: AN OLIVE BRANCH FROM JAMMEH/DO BITTER WORDS HAVE FRONTIERS?

>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:55:59 +0000

>Listmanagers i will call your attention to the following and

>simultaneously

>recall when FJc was penalised for using the word "liars"! Now what

>are we

>seeing? A person like the one who sent the message using not only

>the "liar"

>but "idiot".

>PLEASE INTERVENE OR ELSE THIS TIME AROUND WHEN THE PERSONAL TREND

>ROLLS DOWN

>THE HILL MANY WILL BE UNSUBSCRIBED!

>I liked Momodou Camara's message immidiately after the elections in

>it he

>was calling for the restoration of a decent Gambial.Is this attitude

>from

>other quarters helping? I would call on the list managers to apply

>the rules

>as appropriate otherwise everyone herein has the "rude" bag to swing

>around

>without fear! Ok?

>Latest developments and sources from abroad have made our

>authorities

>understand that,one of the strategies being applied by some

>subscribers AND

>unrealistic opponents is to provoke a reaction that will warrant

>them

>justify assylum status.Thats unfair to one's country please!

>Those who were on assylum came home and were rallying with

>opposition

>members! Is that love for one's country?

>Where is Dr.Manneh now? Plus others, are they not campaigning with

>udp? Have

>they been hindered.

>THe next thing is that the gvt.Will approach the US and other

>western gvts

>to nullify those stories.

>I have seen threats that the USA gvt will be approached with Dr

>Kurang's and

>Dr Ceesay's imaginery patients but it will be very tough for the

>fabricators

>now! i mean it very tough!

>As i have said here before the gvt won't sit by and watch

>assylum seekers and "house-mortguage" trailers gain momentum. Do not

>take my

>word if you wish but very soon it will be realised.

>I stayed away because of having been busy with pre-elections

>duties,therefore now we are back to base to deal with such

>fabricators to

>the letter!

>Infact even if approaching the US authorities is said here or not

>our

>network always knows that some maryland-based UDP/PPP/GPP fanatics

>are

>constantly praying for our death! yes our death!

>Look this is no politics,this is JEALOUSY and hatred period.SOME

>FAILURES

>ARE NOT JAMMEH-MADE NO! THEY ARE SELF-MADE ONES!

>We have tried all possible ways of germinating peace with some but

>as the

>saying goes:"even if you dance on a concrete floor for an enemy he

>or she

>will see rising dust from your feet".

>We know who the enemies are and so do we know who the opponents

>are.The

>civil strife that some of you are calling for is not going to affect

>you

>directly if it had to happen.

>On Gambia L we can have brave commandos here and there but if the

>reality(ALLAH forbid) had to arise non of you will even dare throw a

>stone

>so give us a break.

>It is very difficult to deal with people who eat anger,sleep in

>anger and

>drink anger!That anger isn't Jammeh-made,neither is it Essa sey or

>Tombong

>Saidy-made.

>So many are in Maryland today they have called and congratulated us!

>Some

>are and will remain UDP but they have accepted destiny at least.

>Being on

>Gambial shouting and imagining a civil strife based on wishful

>thinking

>cannot help the situation.Please note that if not for political

>sanity and

>responsibilty or at best to save the lives of the poor innocent

>Gambians,non

>amongst those who ramble here worth coaxing because we know the

>difference

>between the brave and the winnowed stuff!

>Call me whatever but some few people herein do not deserve being

>engaged or

>respected as political opponents. The best way to fight a senseless

>rebel is

>to be an effective war general!

>Jammeh isn't only a dear leader but A DEAREST LEADER SO WHAT?! Come

>and

>uproot that feeling from our veins then!

>If you do so wouldn't that be more mud than the "potopoto" that you

>are

>seeing under us?

>The whole world has witnessed how we comported ourselves within your

>circle

>for the past months.Do you think thats because of being scared of

>your

>swinging rude bags?!

>See below: Is this sanity?

>Imagine someone calling Jammeh not only a leader, but 'my

>>dear

>>leader', that's the mentality of these pycophants.

>>But one thing I know for sure, the idiot would soon be booted out

>>of

>>office.

>>Remember thats how he came to office. Square game. He who lives by

>>the

>>sword

>>dies by the sword. Lets just wait and see.

>>Regards,

>>Mose

>>>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>

>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list

>>><[log in to unmask]>

>>>To: [log in to unmask]

>>>Subject: Re: AN OLIVE BRANCH FROM JAMMEH - rejoinder

>>>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:08:05 EDT

>>>

>>>Dear F,

>>>

>>>Since you say that all or most of the things I have listed in my

>>>post are

>>>distorted, and since you must have the correct version, perhaps

>>>you can

>>>enlighten us as to what the actual facts are and what is

>>>distorted.

>>>

>>>No F, I did not present a one sided view. You see, on one side is

>>>the

>>>Jammeh

>>>government and everything that has transpired since they came to

>>>power,

>>>and

>>>which as I stated is clearly documented by both the U.S State

>>>Department

>>>in

>>>their annual report on human rights, as well as Amnesty

>>>International and

>>>other human rights organizations as well as recorded for posterity

>>>in the

>>>hearts and minds of those Gambians whose loved ones are the

>>>victims of

>>>these

>>>atorcities,soperhaps all of these entities are also just

>>>fabricating

>>>things.

>>>

>>>The way to address the murder allegations for instance F, is to

>>>investigate

>>>these cases and hold a trial for the whole World to see, and i

>>>cannot

>>>imagine

>>>why an innocent well meaning government where freedom reigns as

>>>you assure

>>>us

>>>sister, would not want to do that, can you? Especially if faced

>>>with the

>>>twisted misinformation peddled on the L, surely, the government

>>>would want

>>>to

>>>vindicate themselves in the eyes of the World, and have everything

>>>to gain

>>>by

>>>so doing.

>>>

>>>If not, then an easy way would be to hold a press conference and

>>>give the

>>>World the details backed by concrete evidence to show that all of

>>>the

>>>allegations as listed are distorted, and to give the true

>>>untwisted

>>>accounts.

>>>

>>>All that transpired on the L was that there were ongoing, rampant

>>>human

>>>rights violations and unchecked looting of our economy and we

>>>registered

>>>our

>>>outrage as citizens and disseminated this information to the

>>>World. End of

>>>story. This is the way we know how to fight back, and an effective

>>>weapon

>>>it

>>>is indeed as all of you know very well, otherwise you would not

>>>give the L

>>>any attention if it were as insignificant and as unrealiable a

>>>source as

>>>you

>>>say. if however we are liers who twist the truth, all you have to

>>>is

>>>govern

>>>in a transparent manner and ingnore us.

>>>

>>>Now if the Jammeh government can step forward and first, render an

>>>explanation as to why these allegations have never been

>>>satisfactorily

>>>addressed, and then either conduct investigations to prove the

>>>controrary

>>>to

>>>what is being alleged to us and the rest of the World, or provide

>>>the

>>>necesary evidence to prove that we have fabricated these

>>>allegations or

>>>twisted them, then the burden of proof rests on the Jammeh

>>>government and

>>>ONLY THEY need to do a retrospective .

>>>

>>>We are merely citizens who are outraged by the injustices we are

>>>witnessing

>>>while being told that we are lying. I for one would love to be

>>>proven

>>>wrong

>>>because frankly speaking, these things constitute our worse

>>>nightmares

>>>that

>>>we never envisioned happening in our country.

>>>

>>>You have listed the usual infrastructure citations as parameters

>>>of

>>>progress

>>>under the Jammeh government, and the fact that he did win the

>>>elections.

>>>The things you list as achievements, namely, hospitals, schools,

>>>roads,

>>>airport, women-empowerment, bridges, girls' education, freedom of

>>>speech,

>>>freedom of newspapers, etc. etc. etc are the day to day business

>>>that any

>>>government conducts on behalf of it's citizenry, it is harldy the

>>>parameters

>>>by which major achievements are measured, nor can these be used as

>>>justification for the ongoing trampling of the rights f the people

>>>at

>>>every

>>>turn and the looting of our national resources.

>>> They are services paid for with the hard earned taxes paid by

>>>the

>>>people,

>>>and since this goverment partakes of a majority of these monies

>>>for their

>>>personal pleasure and enrichment above and beyond what is

>>>allowable as

>>>espenses in the service of government, i am glad that some of it

>>>has been

>>>actually put to good use for the people.

>>>

>>>You reported that your President has entended an olive branch to

>>>the

>>>people,

>>>our challenge is for him to come forward and addres the issues we

>>>raised

>>>as

>>>a

>>>gesture that he means what he said. That is all, so why are you

>>>upset when

>>>we

>>>ask for this fi your offer was genuine?

>>>

>>>Even as i write this, i have just received an email as below:

>>>

>>>quote

>>>

>>>Jabou,

>>>

>>>I would like to thank you for your posting. I'd sent a private

>>>mail to

>>>Elhajj complimenting him on his response to Fatoumatta Jahumpa and

>>>his

>>>frankness when the news came from the BBC's Focus on Africa that

>>>arrests

>>>have commenced. One Mohammed Sillah who heads a

>>>Coalition of Human Rights organisations in The Gambia was

>>>interviewed and

>>>he

>>>was bitterly complaining about these arrests which are being done

>>>by both

>>>the NIA and July 22 thugs. They visited Waa Juwara's premises

>>>yesterday,

>>>according to Mr. Sillah, and vandalised his house. Shyngle Nyassi

>>>was also

>>>attacked and his two children abducted;thank God, they were

>>>released. It

>>>was

>>>not clear from the interview whether they were harmed or not.

>>>According to

>>>the same interview, the thugs were out in the Kombos insulting

>>>mandingoes,

>>>harrassing them for not voting for Yahya. This is untrue.

>>>Infact, if

>>>anything, it was Yahya who benefitted more than any of the

>>>Presidential

>>>candidates in the predominantly mandingo constituencies. Why

>>>inject tribal

>>>politics into an election already won by Yahya?

>>>

>>>end quote.

>>>

>>>So my dear sister, we are merely outlining for you and your

>>>president the

>>>things he has to do to convince the World that his administration

>>>has

>>>indeed

>>>turned over a new leaf, instead of engaging in just another cat

>>>amd mouse

>>>game of empty words, and as the World is already witnessing, you

>>>are

>>>already

>>>coming back and accusing the members of the L as twisters of logic

>>>after

>>>your

>>>post promising an olive branch and addresing the issues raised,

>>>and the

>>>machinery of thuggery is already at work to continue to unleash

>>>fear,

>>>terror

>>>and retribution on the people even before the dust settles on this

>>>newly

>>>elected administration that put on such a grande show for the eyes

>>>of the

>>>international community.

>>>Please prove us wrong, and deliver on the promises that no one

>>>forced your

>>>president to make, that is all we are asking.

>>>

>>>Jabou Joh

>>>

>>>In a message dated 10/21/2001 4:06:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

>>>[log in to unmask]

>>>writes:

>>>

>>> >

>>> > Sister Jabou et al,

>>> >

>>> > National Reconciliation means two Opposing sides re-examining

>>>where

>>>they

>>> > went wrong, doing extensive introspection and coming up with

>>>conclusions

>>>as

>>> > to where they went wrong. In your case, you are abrograting

>>>wrong only

>>>to

>>> > one side. By refusing to acknowledge that you have been

>>>seriously off

>>> > tangent on Gambia-L, you make me wonder if you understand what

>>>it means

>>>for

>>> > the President to be re-elected with the tremendous amount of

>>>odds that

>>>some

>>> > of you stacked up against his chances.

>>> >

>>> > My sister, I will only urge you and others like you on Gambia-L

>>>to

>>>analyse

>>> > the Elections Results where the nearest opponent to my beloved

>>>leader

>>> > lagged at least 20% behind in number of votes casts. If all

>>>what you

>>>listed

>>> > down in your email below is true(virtually ALL of it is

>>>distorted),

>>>then

>>> > something must be wrong with Gambians to re-elect the

>>>President. Since

>>>I

>>> > know that nothing is wrong with Gambians today, I am going to

>>>conclude

>>>that

>>> > something is seriously wrong with you and others who refuse to

>>>do

>>> > introspection and are insisting on peddling the distorted

>>>analysis.

>>> >

>>> > To those questioning the credibility of the President's 20%

>>>lead

>>>victory, I

>>> > urge you and others to visit the Jammeh2001 website and listen

>>>to the

>>> > telephone conversation words of Sheriff Dibba and Ousainou

>>>Darboe at:-

>>> >

>>> > http://www.jammeh2001.org/telecongrats/index.html

>>> >

>>> > Keep in mind that Sheriff Dibba is a veteran in Gambian

>>>Politics.

>>> >

>>> > If I start to list down all the reasons why the people of the

>>>Gambia

>>> > refused to buy into tribalism and resisted all the tremendous

>>>pressure

>>> > placed on them from external forces and went ahead to re-elect

>>>President

>>> > Jammeh, I will not go to bed tonight. And I really have to take

>>>a rest.

>>> >

>>> > So, I will leave those of you with a conscience to ponder with

>>>your

>>>inner

>>> > souls about the hospitals, schools, roads, airport,

>>>women-empowerment,

>>> > bridges, girls' education, freedom of speech, freedom of

>>>newspapers,

>>>etc.

>>> > etc. etc. that all happened in seven years. I will leave you

>>>with the

>>> > glowing World reports that show increase in the Socio-Economic

>>>Indices.

>>>I

>>> > will leave you to compare the Human Rights Agencies reports on

>>>The

>>>Gambia

>>> > with others in the subregion. The President is not perfect and

>>>he is

>>> > currently doing introspection on himself and the last seven

>>>years. But

>>> > those who continue to act as if they were right all along and

>>>pointing

>>> > fingers at the people of the Gambia as fools and morons should

>>>remember

>>> > that four fingers are pointing right back at them.

>>> >

>>> > Good Night,

>>> > Fatou.

>>> >

>>>

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