Katim, Remember the guy who once confessed, " I tried to give up HEROIN, but my efforts were all IN VEIN" ? (EMPHASIS mine). Well, I'm not going to say much because the whole shebang is right here in your well written piece. I mean the whole enchilada. But what do we get from Monsieur Le Directeur General? --Paranoid Accusations--. Katim, he better not put his incompetent little fingers in your posting. Because you've already set the record straight for all and sundry. But just watch-- keep an eye on that "Re: ". This guys don't take no for an answer. Did you notice how berserk Tombong went when Momodou Camara was barely trying to talk some sense to him? The guy was so mad his keyboard stuttered. If this is how he handles 'old news'(i.e Matarr Njie's case), then just imagin how he will handles 'breaking news' as Director of TV and Radio(GRTS). I feel for his staff. Rejuvenated Mr Makaveli (o-:) From: Katim S. Touray <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re-subscribing Matarr Njie To: [log in to unmask] Date: Oct 24, 2001 Hi folks, Given that many people have already spoken on the subject of re-subscribing Matarr Njie to Gambia-L, I'll keep this short (I hope). Besides the insults he has hauled over lengthy periods of time to many Gambia-L subscribers and their parents, I'd like to point out other issues that should be considered in evaluating pleas for his re-subscription. Please remember that Mr. Njie was a major reason why Gambia-L was moved from the Univ. of Washington, Seattle, to our present host, St. Johns Univ., New York. Some of you might recall that Mr. Njie had threatened to wage a campaign to have UW-Seattle close-down Gambia-L, and for that reason, the person who sponsored our list at UW asked that we find an alternative host. Fortunately, I was able to get St. Johns Univ. to host the list for us, and they have continued to do so since May, 1999. In addition, they have archived all our postings for us, and for free. I'm very sure that if Mr. Njie had his way, Gambia-L would have been shut down a long time ago. Also, I'd like to add my support to the Gambia-L managers statement to the effect that a Gambia-L subscription is not a birthright. I have been on the Internet since before the Web, have subscribed to and managed many lists, but I am yet to find a single one that attempts to be run democratically, as Gambia-L management attempts to run this list. Indeed, the idea that Gambia-L should be managed democratically is all my fault, and I sincerely apologize to all of you for this gross error of judgment, and the wahala it's brought about. When Gambia-L was formally created in early 1996 from a manual system I had created in 1994 (after the military coup), I suggested that we have a number of people to share the burden of managing it. Thus was born the idea of "Gambia-L managers." If I remember correctly, the first group of managers were Tony Loum (who sponsored the list at UW-Seattle), myself, Abdou Touray, Latjor Ndow, Malanding Jaiteh, Sarian Loum, and Amadou Janneh. The list managers were mostly charged with handling subscription requests, and matters of that sort. As the number of subscribers grew, the problems grew, as you can imagine. We then debated and decided to vote on a set of rules for the list. Of particular concern in this regard was the issue of what criteria and procedures to use for un-subscribing people from the list. Some of you might recall that it was Matarr Njie who collected the votes, and reported the results to the list. Shortly after the rules were adopted, Mr. Njie started using very vile language on the list, and I threw him out. But that wasn't the last we heard of him. He had either re-subscribed under some assumed name, and/or was he regularly checking the list archives to review our postings. Many people can vouch for the insults he e-mailed them whenever they posted material critical of the Gambia government, and/or President Jammeh. Furthermore he regularly insulted me and my parents in the e-mail he sent people, and copied the e-mails to me. I have filtered and saved 52 (fifty two) un-solicited e-mails from Mr. Njie, and even though I haven't read all of them, I'm sure none of them is flattering. I find it interesting that Tombong Saidy should write to plea Mr. Njie's case. He might have forgotten that I in fact e-mailed him a while back, with a copy of one of Mr. Njie's insulting e-mails, asking if he can help put a stop to them, given that Mr. Njie was then on study-leave from the Gambian government service, or was studying under the auspices of a scholarship he obtained through the Gambia government. To this day, I haven't had the courtesy of a reply from Mr. Saidy. I would like to end this by saying that I fully support the position a number of people have stated here: if Mr. Njie is ready to apologize for his past behavior, and agree to refrain from such in the future, he should be re-subscribed to the list. However, he should have no delusion that he has any God-given rights that entitle him to a Gambia-L subscription. Furthermore, I should point out that if Mr. Saidy and other APRC supporters think that this list is so anti-Jammeh, then why should they bother to join it? If their claims are true, their bid to re-subscribe Mr. Njie would be like having Mr. Saidy raising hell to join the UDP, or to attend their meetings. Imagine what President Jammeh would make of *that*! And you know what, maybe they should go create their own mailing list, and leave us alone. That's about it. Have a great week(end), and best wishes. 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