Saiks, good advise to your boy. As you know, I do NOT take prisoners. KB >From: saikss <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:40:10 +0100 > >Sidebeh, > >Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading you.His >chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political substance.The >30 >years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of the >PPP >regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human beings.KB >is >part of those who made this dirty history of our dear Country, that he is >said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a dialectical >developement of every objective political and economic situation,this >simple >political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand. > >For Freedom >Saiks > > > > > >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> ===== > >Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me. > >Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable >for > >your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making > >you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care >who > >you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know >you > >and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run >with > >your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having > >nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel >mask). > >I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you > >start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on >your > >back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what > >makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you > >license to tell lies on G_L. > > > >You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you > >about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us. >You > >should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will > >ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober > >up. > >KB > > > > > >>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >><[log in to unmask]> > >>To: [log in to unmask] > >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) > >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100 > >> > >>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!! > >> > >>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries >a > >>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this > >>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again, >Kukoi > >>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail > >>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend >who's > >>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too > >>unfortunate. > >>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best >musiscians, > >>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there. > >>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small >group > >>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping >brains, > >>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined > >>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution, >right > >>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives. > >> > >>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your >nonsensical > >>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still > >>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get >me > >>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will > >>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much > >>gushing prattle on Gambia-L. > >> > >>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath - Swedes > >>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed that heavy and >overbearing > >>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and >no > >>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou > >>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell >me, > >>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned, >I'm > >>gone! > >> > >>Momodou S Sidibeh, > >>Stockholm/Kartong. > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]> > >>To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM > >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) > >> > >> > >> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the >sloppy > >>job > >> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first > >>person > >> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess >to > >>be > >> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the >events > >>of > >> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior >of > >> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow >a > >> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously? >Do > >>I > >> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about >Gambian > >> > history is clouded? > >> > > >> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter >what > >> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was >an > >> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted >to > >> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box. >Does > >> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read >or > >> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and >therefore > >>it > >> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government >through > >>the > >> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that > >>Democracy > >> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this >type > >>of > >> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know > >>better > >> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people. >People > >>do > >> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token, > >> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make > >>sound > >> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo > >>Jallow) > >> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child > >>murderers > >> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him >to > >>fare > >> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of >farmers > >>in > >> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education' > >>does > >> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize >murder > >>and > >> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to > >>think > >> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in >because > >> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks. > >> > > >> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the >bandits > >> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our >country > >> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would > >>rather > >> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the > >>roles > >> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon >Talibo > >> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the >numerous > >> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian >lives? > >> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese > >>friend > >> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced >fighting > >>an > >> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the > >> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary >would > >>free > >> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash >them > >> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing >a > >> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The > >>then > >> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a > >>friendly > >> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now > >>Sidibeh > >> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to >the > >> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked >him > >>about > >> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with >in > >>some > >> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT > >>news. > >> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about > >>them > >> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when >it > >> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP, > >>Sidibeh > >> > will conveniently ignore those. > >> > > >> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at >least > >>to > >> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you >supported > >>the > >> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did >in > >>the > >> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return >if > >> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the >point > >>we > >> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply > >>would > >> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT >sit > >>by > >> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a > >>'savior'. > >> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try >to > >> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God > >>help us > >> > from the 'educated Gambian'. > >> > KB > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >From: [log in to unmask] > >> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >> > ><[log in to unmask]> > >> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) > >> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST > >> > > > >> > >Mr Sidibeh, > >> > > Thank you very much for a very well written > >> > >retrospective. I > >> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your > >>perspective > >> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care >about. > >> > >While > >> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to > >>Moja , > >> > >I > >> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your > >>inception > >> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any > >>society > >> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment >of > >>ideas > >> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of >improving > >>our > >> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very >candid > >> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You > >> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes > >> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In >a > >> > >strange > >> > >way, both of these reasons point to what I call a destructive > >>propensity > >> > >for > >> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending >field > >> > >forces > >> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different >ideas > >>was > >> > >the > >> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in >preserving > >> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient >judgment > >>of > >> > >some > >> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the > >>spurious > >> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish > >>streak > >> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some > >>people > >> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and >good > >> > >ideas > >> > >become casualties. > >> > > I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support > >>the > >> > >Kukoi > >> > >coup but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend >the > >> > >country > >> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the >process. > >>I > >> > >can > >> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the > >> > >Senegalese > >> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me >is > >>the > >> > >fact that you attribute none of the violence that was >precitipated > >>by > >> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the > >> > >coupists. > >> > >I do not think Kukoi would strike you as being a responsible > >>revolutionary > >> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy. > >>Similarly > >> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but >decided > >>to > >> > >offer critical support.Since you did not elaborate on what that >means > >>, > >> > >I'd > >> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup > >>just as > >> > >a > >> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime? > >> > > I look forward to your response > >> > >Thanks > >> > >Karamba > >> > > > >> > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >> > > > >> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > >> > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >> > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >> > >[log in to unmask] > >> > > > >> > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >> > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > > >> > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >> > > >> > To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > >> > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >> > [log in to unmask] > >> > > >> > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >> > >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >> > >>To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >>[log in to unmask] > >> > >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>