Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me. Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable for your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care who you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know you and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run with your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel mask). I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on your back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you license to tell lies on G_L. You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us. You should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober up. KB >From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100 > >Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!! > >In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries a >whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this >list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again, Kukoi >and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail >about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend who's >gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too >unfortunate. >It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best musiscians, >Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there. >Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small group >of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping brains, >rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined >them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution, right >on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives. > >Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your nonsensical >predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still >ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get me >into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will >have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much >gushing prattle on Gambia-L. > >You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath - Swedes >call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed that heavy and overbearing >tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and no >one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou >Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell me, >and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned, I'm >gone! > >Momodou S Sidibeh, >Stockholm/Kartong. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) > > > > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the sloppy >job > > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first >person > > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess to >be > > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the events >of > > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior of > > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow a > > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously? Do >I > > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about Gambian > > history is clouded? > > > > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter what > > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was an > > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted to > > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box. Does > > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read or > > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and therefore >it > > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government through >the > > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that >Democracy > > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this type >of > > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know >better > > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people. People >do > > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token, > > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make >sound > > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo >Jallow) > > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child >murderers > > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him to >fare > > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of farmers >in > > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education' >does > > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize murder >and > > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to >think > > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in because > > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks. > > > > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the bandits > > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our country > > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would >rather > > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the >roles > > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon Talibo > > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the numerous > > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian lives? > > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese >friend > > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced fighting >an > > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the > > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary would >free > > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash them > > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing a > > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The >then > > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a >friendly > > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now >Sidibeh > > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to the > > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked him >about > > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with in >some > > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT >news. > > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about >them > > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when it > > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP, >Sidibeh > > will conveniently ignore those. > > > > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at least >to > > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you supported >the > > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did in >the > > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return if > > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the point >we > > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply >would > > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT sit >by > > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a >'savior'. > > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try to > > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God >help us > > from the 'educated Gambian'. > > KB > > > > > > > > >From: [log in to unmask] > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) > > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST > > > > > >Mr Sidibeh, > > > Thank you very much for a very well written > > >retrospective. I > > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your >perspective > > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care about. > > >While > > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to >Moja , > > >I > > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your >inception > > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any >society > > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment of >ideas > > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of improving >our > > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very candid > > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You > > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes > > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In a > > >strange > > >way, both of these reasons point to what I call a destructive >propensity > > >for > > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending field > > >forces > > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different ideas >was > > >the > > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in preserving > > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient judgment >of > > >some > > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the >spurious > > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish >streak > > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some >people > > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and good > > >ideas > > >become casualties. > > > I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support >the > > >Kukoi > > >coup but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend the > > >country > > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the process. >I > > >can > > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the > > >Senegalese > > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me is >the > > >fact that you attribute none of the violence that was precitipated >by > > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the > > >coupists. > > >I do not think Kukoi would strike you as being a responsible >revolutionary > > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy. >Similarly > > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but decided >to > > >offer critical support.Since you did not elaborate on what that means >, > > >I'd > > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup >just as > > >a > > >tansitionary episode? 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