Kebba, Sorry, for my late response. I got the Essa " School fees " Sey from Kerr Kunta ( Kuntaya ). Essa has a brother too by the name Ablie " School fees " sey. He attended Armitage High School. Essa is our friend.. Elhajj. Dampha Kebba skrev: > Elhajj, although the day is still young here in the East Coast of the United > States, I must say that you made my day. Today each time some one tries to > foul my day, I will just go reread your piece and the brilliant rejoinder > Bambalaye sent to his earlier piece on the mediocre running our country. > Essa “school fees” Sey! Elhajj where did you get that one from? Rest assured > that the moron will NOT ‘Jakaar loh’. He might be a mental midget but he > knows how to self-preserve. During the campaign when he thought Yaya was > going to lose, he was markedly different from what you used to see and what > you will be seeing henceforth. The moron faked an illness just to stay away > from the fray in Banjul and the aftermath of a Yaya defeat. > > Just like I pinned him down yesterday on the Millennium Airline thing, I > will be following his postings thoroughly and will use his OWN material to > hang him. Just watch. Elhajj, both you and BambaLaye touched on a very > important point; and that is Yaya and his cohorts use a very distorted form > of Islam to prey on gullible Gambians. Part of it is because the mental > midgets do NOT understand Islam. But another aspect is that some so-called > religious leaders in the country have deliberately decided to be the Devil’s > advocate, willingly spread distorted interpretations of Islam. Clearly, both > groups (the mental midgets and the dubious religious leaders) are all very > strong candidates for Hell Fire. > > Elhajj, what can be more despicable than saying that God ‘ordained’ that > Yaya be the leader and order the massacre of innocent and defenseless > children? I frankly do NOT know what these people think God is. Do these > people understand the concept of ‘Free Will’ in Islam? Do they understand > why God gave man a conscience and a brain to distinguish between right and > wrong? DO they understand the difference between man and wild animals in the > wilderness? Elhajj, as know, these questions calls for some deep pondering. > The answers to these questions do NOT lie in classrooms in the U.S. or > England or what have you. One can also read the Koran from cover to cover > and also NOT find the answers. Not wishing to ignite a religious debate, I > will keep some of the answers to myself. But I think Elhajj that some time > in the past, I communicated to you in private where lies some of these > answers. > > As some can probably tell, I do NOT like talking about religion. But I am > getting increasingly convinced that people have to do something about the > religious decadence in Gambia. Why should we allow mental midgets that do > NOT understand Islam be the ones spreading LIES and saying that it is God’s > word? Some men (who I do NOT know but friends told me spend a lot of time in > bars drinking alcohol) ‘preaching’ people about God and morality in Islam. > Hypocrites like Essa Sey and hateful vermin like ‘Imam’ Fatty (who thinks it > was all right to slaughter innocent Americans) ‘preaching’ people about > Islam. Elhajj, I have now resolved that it is our religious duty to also set > the record straight. We MUST NOT allow these people to LIE about God. > > It is absurd to say that God ‘ordained’ the evil that men do. If that was > the case, we will NOT have Heaven and Hell and there will be no Satan. Islam > also does NOT say that citizens have to succumb to every leader and take all > sorts of abuse from them because God ‘ordained’ that they lead. Remember how > Islam started? Islam was a revolution. The status quo was changed. God did > NOT tell the Prophet to just follow the religion of the then king of Mecca. > It is crazy how religious ‘leaders’ in Gambia will tell people to just > succumb to Yaya because God ‘ordained’ that Yaya steal power and continue to > use violence to stay in power and loot our meager resources in order to lead > a flamboyant life-style. I guess all the criminals (prisoners) in the > country should be freed then because God ‘ordained’ that they commit crimes. > This is absurd. God NEVER ordained that Yaya be a criminal that stole power > and continue to enslave our people. > > What these religious ‘leaders’ should be preaching to their people are > verses that teach us to stand up against EVIL. No one can deny that it is > EVIL to slaughter innocent and defenseless children. Why these religious > ‘leaders’ are NOT standing up against that, they will explain to God one > day. Standing up against EVIL can be as negligible as just speaking up > against EVIL. But no! The ‘leaders’ and the hypocrites in the country are > trying to tell our people that it is God’s fault that some EVIL is going on > in the country. From the bottom of my heart, Elhajj, I feel very sorry for > these people. Because they do NOT know/understand God, they are NOT afraid > of HIM. In His own time, God will show them. Just watch. Anybody that thinks > that God ‘ordains’ the EVIL that men do, does NOT know a darn thing about > Islam. > KB > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > ><[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: Yero Mama/The day of reckoning or recognising? > >Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:00:10 +0100 > > > >Kebba, > >These people think they can come here and fool us on Islam, as they are > >presently fooling the Gambian public. If they are true believers, why have > >they > >killed innocent people? Why are they going round peddling lies against > >people ? > >Why are the stealing the coffers of country ? Why are they still > >intimidating, > >maimimg and still intending to kill more people who don`t support them? > >Believe > >me Kebba, i smelt some coffee in Essa "school fees" Sey`s preachings. They > >should thank God that Yaya Jammeh`s gun has benefited them to call > >themselves > >Ambassadors or whatever. Coming here to preach us in French will never > >frighten > >us, because we have people in this forum who can translate his preachings > >into > >five / six different languages. My message to Essa "school fees" Sey is > >"La connaissance de la religion de L`lslam se compose de trois degrès: > >1. AL-ISLAM, qui signifie la soumission complète à Allah. > >2. AL-IMANE, qui signifie la foi absolute en ALLAH. > >3.AL-IHSANE ( la charitè ou l`amèlioration de soi ). " > >If Essa believes in what he is preaching here, then let us see him on the " > >JAAKAR LOH " face to face confrontation with the devil of Islam. > > > >Elhajj. > > > > > >Dampha Kebba skrev: > > > > > It is just hilarious how all of a sudden the vermin have found God. I > >guess > > > in their deviant minds it was God’s will that our defenseless children > >be > > > slaughtered and it was also God’s will that those hateful terrorists in > >New > > > York murder over 4000 innocent civilians. Oh God help us from such > >TWISTED > > > interpretation of the Koran. God help us from morons and drunkards > >leaving > > > bars and holding the Koran and giving erroneous interpretation of Your > >Holy > > > Book. Amen. > > > > > > Frankly, I thought Gassama and Essa Sey were morons, but I did NOT think > > > that they will go to this extent whereby they will try in broad daylight > >to > > > bamboozle God, The Almighty. You guys think that when you are partaking > >in > > > your despicable deeds disobeying God, The Almighty is sleeping or taking > >a > > > vacation? Did God also ‘ordain’ that Hitler comes and slaughter Jews? > >You > > > people MUST be out of your minds. I am very serious when I say that if > > > nothing else, please reread the Koran and Hadith and try and educate > > > yourself. You are way off. > > > > > > Before I move to Gassama’s irrational rattling about his ‘wishes’ for > >Gambia > > > after the October Election, let me just point out one thing to Essa Sey. > >In > > > his quest to sound intelligent and make a point, the mental midget ended > >up > > > implicating his boss and showing the whole world that Yaya is blatantly > > > breaking our laws by ‘owning’ a plane. Essa Sey just told us that Yaya > >is > > > indeed the owner of Millennium Airlines. After all, the UN Sanctions > > > Committee got the wrong person. When they banned Baabaa Jobe (qua > >Director > > > of Millennium Airlines), they should have banned Yaya. That aside, our > > > Constitution (as if Yaya respects the document) specifically prohibits > >Yaya > > > from involving in ‘business’ other than farming. Now Essa Sey is telling > >us > > > that Yaya is in the ‘business’ of hiring and firing people working for > > > Millennium Airlines. You morons do NOT cease to amaze me. > > > > > > Now to tweedle-dee. Gassama, Hitler won elections in Germany. The man is > > > still a Devil. Stealing elections by intimidating the masses does NOT > >make > > > Yaya a ‘good’ person with few faults (shortcomings) that some of us > >should > > > tolerate. In my book, the vermin forfeited his rights when he ordered > >the > > > massacre of our children. That is what you guys should also try and get > >into > > > your thick skulls. You keep trying to make us ignore the man’s faults. > >We > > > are telling you that those faults are so heinous that we CANNOT tolerate > > > them. I hope you see the point now. > > > > > > You can delude yourself and think that the people that oppose Yaya in > >this > > > forum are in the minority. Not just this forum, but let me inform you > >that > > > the overwhelming majority of Gambians oppose Yaya. The moron spent > >millions > > > of dalasis during the last election. At the end of the day, he could > >only > > > ‘win’ because he ferried Casamance Jolas into the country to vote for > >him. > > > He also had vermin like you scaring people telling them that if Yaya > >loses > > > there will be turmoil in the country. The end result? Some innocent > >Gambians > > > put ‘security’ over everything else and succumbed to intimidation. I > >tell > > > the people that they are just postponing their ordeal. > > > > > > The proverbial ink was hardly dry when Yaya vindicated my point that > >people > > > were just postponing their ordeal. People that thought giving Yaya a > > > ‘victory’ will bring peace to the country are sadly mistaken. Were those > > > people not rounded up and jailed and their families and compounds > >attacked > > > by APRC thugs? What kind of ‘open mind’ do you suggest we look at the > > > illegal detention of people like Muhammad Sillah, George Christensen and > > > Baboucarr Gaye, to name a few? How do you suggest we look at the closure > >of > > > a Radio Station on the basis of some spurious civil (as opposed to > >criminal) > > > claims? > > > > > > You must be out of your mind to think that people will take seriously > >Essa > > > Sey’s silly gimmicks trying to serve as a person interested in dialog to > > > bring sanity in our country. Of course we know that you, Essa Sey, > >Tombong, > > > Fatoumatta Jahumpa and all the APRC clowns on G_L are all a bunch of > > > nonentities. You CANNOT and have no desire of speaking truth to Yaya > >that > > > will jeopardize your positions. I told people long time ago that talking > >to > > > you people is pointless. Yaya has to be DEFEATED (NOT negotiated with). > >We > > > know that you are all impotent in front of Yaya when he wants to do his > > > diabolical deeds. You people CANNOT even help yourselves. Why should we > > > expect you to help us when you do NOT even want to recognize the evil > > > inherent in the massacre of our children? I understand that Yaya once > >called > > > one Mr. Ceesay to his (Yaya’s) office. Yaya showed Mr. Ceesay a list of > >38 > > > people and told Ceesay that he (Ceesay) was a liar. Apparently, Yaya was > > > miffed because Ceesay fed him wrong information and made him fire 38 > >civil > > > servants unjustifiably (what’s new about that?). For feeding Yaya false > > > information leading to the demise of those servants, Ceesay was also > >fired. > > > Guess who is the Mrs. of this Ceesay character. Now, tell me if I should > > > trust Mrs. Ceesay that CANNOT fight for her husband to fight for > >defenseless > > > Gambian children. > > > > > > Gassama, I wonder what gave you the idea that you cannot make reference > >to > > > the Jawara days. Of course you can talk about that if you want. Just > >don’t > > > LIE. Because if you do, you will hear from me. If you read what you > >wrote in > > > your piece about the Jawara era, you will realize why you are confused > >about > > > writing about the Jawara era. How on earth can you say that the Jawara > > > government “[subjugated] a whole nation through a deliberate policy of > > > keeping them [absolutely] ignorant”? Emphasis mine. I wonder where you, > > > Yaya, Essa Sey, Tombong, the entire Jahumpa family, all got your > >education > > > from. > > > > > > Soon you will begin to hallucinate that Yaya brought us Gamtel. In your > >own > > > twisted world, Yaya developed the container terminals at the Ports. Yaya > >was > > > the one that built Yundum airport from scratch. Yaya was the one that > >built > > > the roads in Banjul. Yaya started the Banjul Sewage project. You people > >are > > > simply pathetic. Gassama, some of us were in Banjul right before the > >‘coup’. > > > We are NOT ‘Doctors’ (no disrespect meant here) that left Gambia 20 > >years > > > ago and do NOT know what Yaya put there and what he found there and > >built > > > on. This GRTS you are bragging about is a classic example of how you > >mental > > > midgets operate. The Yaya propaganda outfit (GRTS) almost bankrupted one > >of > > > the most productive companies in the country (Gamtel). A company we got > > > thanks to the Jawara government. How did you morons try to rectify the > > > situation? You resolved to bankrupt more companies just to have Yaya to > >come > > > on TV and insult our parents and threaten Gambians with death. You > >proposed > > > to have other ‘Parastatals’ together with Gamtel to continue financing > >the > > > losing proposition (GRTS). > > > > > > The University. ‘Meme chose’. Just amalgamated institutions Jawara put > >there > > > and called it Yaya’s invention. Feel free to discuss the past. Just be > > > prepared to back up your rhetoric with facts. > > > > > > If anybody, I think you are the people that CANNOT come to terms with > >the > > > fact that Jawara is no longer in power. You are the ones always LYING > >about > > > the man in order to make Yaya look good. Left to me alone, we would only > > > talk about Yaya since he is the one in power now and is the one that can > > > order the massacre of defenseless children and loot our coffers. Let us > > > focus on Yaya’s record, since you want to move from the so-called first > > > republic. > > > > > > I am glad that your hopes and aspirations were dashed in the aftermath > >of > > > the elections. Your hopes of having a moron enslave our people will NOT > > > materialize. We will continue to RESIST Yaya and cohorts like you. We > >REFUSE > > > to suffer from ALES. We know we deserve better than child murderers and > > > thieves. We will fight until we get a leader that will develop the > >country > > > AND will NOT enslave our people and loot our meager resources. We will > >see > > > to an end to this sick mediocrity in Banjul. > > > KB > > > > > > >From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]> > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > > >Subject: Re: Yero Mama/The day of reckoning or recognising? > > > >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:19:44 +0000 > > > > > > > >Yero Mama, > > > > > > > >It is very unfortunate that there are some seemingly intelligent people > >who > > > >doggedly want us to believe that they and they alone have opinions of > >what > > > >right and wrong are; and with that mindset they will resort to all > >sorts of > > > >abuse and vulgarity in an attempt to impose those opinions on all > >others > > > >with differing views. While some of us will not deny that Jammeh, like > >all > > > >humans, is not infallible and has faults, they hold on to the view that > > > >Jammeh is the "devil reincarnate". To them, the 53% of mature Gambians > >who > > > >live in this hell of a place that they want the whole world to believe, > > > >just > > > >don't know what the hell they want. Are these people for real? I simply > > > >cannot understand why a minority of shysters on this forum seem to > >want > > > >everyone to believe that they and they alone know what is best for the > > > >country. He may represent some people's worst nightmares but not mine. > > > > > > > >When you suggest that we look into things with an open mind and see how > > > >best > > > >to bridge the gap between us through a better understanding of each > >other's > > > >points of view, they dogged refuse and writing you off as some > >sycophant > > > >who > > > >has no human genes or sense in him. Some are only interested in > >wallowing > > > >in > > > >Jammeh's shortcomings refuse to allow any objective discourse of any > >othe > > > >aspect of him knowing full well that jammeh's balance score card is not > > > >that > > > >difficult to rationalise or defend. When you suggest referring our > >recent > > > >past in order to better understand certain issues they will have none > >of > > > >it. > > > >When you cannot make any reference to the Jawara days unless the issue > >is > > > >how The Gambia was "recognised" the world over for being a bastion of > > > >"peace, tranquility and human rights" (whatever that means). What human > > > >rights are they talking about when we were denied any significant form > >of > > > >development? What human rights is there when you subjugate a whole > >nation > > > >through a deliberate policy of keeping them aboslutely ignorant? Even > >the > > > >national radio to inform us of government policies they will not > >maintain > > > >it. We all remember the days when radio Gambia will be off the air for > > > >hours > > > >simply because a few five Dalasi fuses were not available. But no; we > > > >cannot > > > >talk about the past. If they don't want to discuss the PPP record > >honestly > > > >and compare it with what prevails now in its entirity, how on earth can > > > >anyone come an informed conclusion about Jammeh or his government? Fact > >of > > > >the matter is that some just hate the guy and no matter what, they will > > > >never see anything good in whatever he does. No wonder with that > >mindset > > > >some cannot still come to terms with the fact that the first republic > >is > > > >truely dead. Wistfully looking back to those days when nobody was > > > >accountable for anything done in the name of the people will all be in > > > >vain. > > > >But try to point that out and you are a sycophant praise singing to > >keep a > > > >job. How ridiculous can one be to come such a simple conclusion is > >beyond > > > >me. > > > > > > > >I had very high hopes for the country when Jammeh was declared the > >winner > > > >of > > > >the recently concluded elections and the leader of main opposition > >party, > > > >Ousainou Darbo called him to concede. Then, I had thought that the > > > >relationship between the ruling party and the UDP will, from then on, > >be > > > >based on mutual respect and fruitful engagement. How quickly those > >hopes > > > >evaporated is mind boggling. Because the legitimacy of Jammeh's first > > > >government was not fully accepted by some in the opposition and that > >did > > > >not > > > >go down well with the APRC, I had assumed that this time round a new > >era > > > >had > > > >dawned. I had assumed that the constant bickering and clashes between > >the > > > >two parties would soon come to an end and some degree of sanity > >restored. > > > >But no. No sooner did we heave a sigh of relieve that the tension in > >our > > > >country would soon be replaced by a unity of purpose to create a better > > > >Gambia, the leadership of the main opposition UDP reneged on their > >earlier > > > >reconciliatory message of respecting the views of the electorate. It is > > > >very > > > >sad when you consider the implication this has for peace and peaceful > > > >co-existence especially between the militant supporters of the two > >parties. > > > >As far as I am concerned everything seems to be back to square one. The > > > >scene now seems to be set for more clashes betwen supporters of the two > > > >parties, more arrests and detensions and more misery for all. And all > >these > > > >because some people cannot and will not accept the fact that, for now, > >God > > > >has destined Yahya to lead us. But as they say, an obstinate man does > >not > > > >hold opinions, but opinions hold him! Very unfortunate if you ask me. > > > > > > > >Have a good day, Gassa. > > > > > > > >>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]> > > > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > > >><[log in to unmask]> > > > >>To: [log in to unmask] > > > >>Subject: Re: Mohinder Bains/The day of reckoning or recognising? > > > >>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:36:52 +0000 > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > > > > > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > > > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > > > > To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > > > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > > > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>