KB An amonut of respect might be very important for the future,Sidebeh is not my boy and infact he is older than I am.He is not your class when it comes to political understanding of events,you can see it in his writtings,simple and clear. For Freedom Saiks >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> ===== >Saiks, good advise to your boy. As you know, I do NOT take prisoners. >KB > > > >>From: saikss <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:40:10 +0100 >> >>Sidebeh, >> >>Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading you.His >>chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political substance.The >>30 >>years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of the >>PPP >>regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human beings.KB >>is >>part of those who made this dirty history of our dear Country, that he is >>said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a dialectical >>developement of every objective political and economic situation,this >>simple >>political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand. >> >>For Freedom >>Saiks >> >> >> >> >> >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> ===== >> >Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me. >> >Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable >>for >> >your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making >> >you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care >>who >> >you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know >>you >> >and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run >>with >> >your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having >> >nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel >>mask). >> >I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you >> >start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on >>your >> >back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what >> >makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you >> >license to tell lies on G_L. >> > >> >You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you >> >about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us. >>You >> >should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will >> >ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober >> >up. >> >KB >> > >> > >> >>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> >> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >> >><[log in to unmask]> >> >>To: [log in to unmask] >> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >> >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100 >> >> >> >>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!! >> >> >> >>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries >>a >> >>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this >> >>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again, >>Kukoi >> >>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail >> >>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend >>who's >> >>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too >> >>unfortunate. >> >>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best >>musiscians, >> >>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there. >> >>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small >>group >> >>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping >>brains, >> >>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined >> >>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution, >>right >> >>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives. >> >> >> >>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your >>nonsensical >> >>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still >> >>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get >>me >> >>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will >> >>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much >> >>gushing prattle on Gambia-L. >> >> >> >>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath - Swedes >> >>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed that heavy and >>overbearing >> >>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and >>no >> >>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou >> >>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell >>me, >> >>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned, >>I'm >> >>gone! >> >> >> >>Momodou S Sidibeh, >> >>Stockholm/Kartong. >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM >> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >> >> >> >> >> >> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the >>sloppy >> >>job >> >> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first >> >>person >> >> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess >>to >> >>be >> >> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the >>events >> >>of >> >> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior >>of >> >> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow >>a >> >> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously? >>Do >> >>I >> >> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about >>Gambian >> >> > history is clouded? >> >> > >> >> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter >>what >> >> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was >>an >> >> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted >>to >> >> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box. >>Does >> >> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read >>or >> >> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and >>therefore >> >>it >> >> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government >>through >> >>the >> >> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that >> >>Democracy >> >> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this >>type >> >>of >> >> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know >> >>better >> >> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people. >>People >> >>do >> >> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token, >> >> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make >> >>sound >> >> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo >> >>Jallow) >> >> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child >> >>murderers >> >> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him >>to >> >>fare >> >> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of >>farmers >> >>in >> >> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education' >> >>does >> >> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize >>murder >> >>and >> >> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to >> >>think >> >> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in >>because >> >> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks. >> >> > >> >> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the >>bandits >> >> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our >>country >> >> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would >> >>rather >> >> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the >> >>roles >> >> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon >>Talibo >> >> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the >>numerous >> >> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian >>lives? >> >> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese >> >>friend >> >> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced >>fighting >> >>an >> >> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the >> >> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary >>would >> >>free >> >> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash >>them >> >> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing >>a >> >> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The >> >>then >> >> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a >> >>friendly >> >> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now >> >>Sidibeh >> >> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to >>the >> >> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked >>him >> >>about >> >> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with >>in >> >>some >> >> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT >> >>news. >> >> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about >> >>them >> >> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when >>it >> >> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP, >> >>Sidibeh >> >> > will conveniently ignore those. >> >> > >> >> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at >>least >> >>to >> >> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you >>supported >> >>the >> >> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did >>in >> >>the >> >> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return >>if >> >> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the >>point >> >>we >> >> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply >> >>would >> >> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT >>sit >> >>by >> >> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a >> >>'savior'. >> >> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try >>to >> >> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God >> >>help us >> >> > from the 'educated Gambian'. >> >> > KB >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >From: [log in to unmask] >> >> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >> >> > ><[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >To: [log in to unmask] >> >> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1) >> >> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST >> >> > > >> >> > >Mr Sidibeh, >> >> > > Thank you very much for a very well written >> >> > >retrospective. I >> >> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your >> >>perspective >> >> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care >>about. >> >> > >While >> >> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to >> >>Moja , >> >> > >I >> >> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your >> >>inception >> >> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any >> >>society >> >> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment >>of >> >>ideas >> >> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of >>improving >> >>our >> >> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very >>candid >> >> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You >> >> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes >> >> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In >>a >> >> > >strange >> >> > >way, both of these reasons point to what I call a destructive >> >>propensity >> >> > >for >> >> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending >>field >> >> > >forces >> >> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different >>ideas >> >>was >> >> > >the >> >> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in >>preserving >> >> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient >>judgment >> >>of >> >> > >some >> >> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the >> >>spurious >> >> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish >> >>streak >> >> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some >> >>people >> >> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and >>good >> >> > >ideas >> >> > >become casualties. >> >> > > I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support >> >>the >> >> > >Kukoi >> >> > >coup but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend >>the >> >> > >country >> >> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the >>process. >> >>I >> >> > >can >> >> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the >> >> > >Senegalese >> >> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me >>is >> >>the >> >> > >fact that you attribute none of the violence that was >>precitipated >> >>by >> >> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the >> >> > >coupists. >> >> > >I do not think Kukoi would strike you as being a responsible >> >>revolutionary >> >> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy. >> >>Similarly >> >> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but >>decided >> >>to >> >> > >offer critical support.Since you did not elaborate on what that >>means >> >>, >> >> > >I'd >> >> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup >> >>just as >> >> > >a >> >> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime? >> >> > > I look forward to your response >> >> > >Thanks >> >> > >Karamba >> >> > > >> >> > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >> > > >> >> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >> >> > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> >> > >[log in to unmask] >> >> > > >> >> > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> > >> >> > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >> > >> >> > To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >> >> > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> >> > [log in to unmask] >> >> > >> >> > <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >> >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >> >> >>To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >> >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> >>[log in to unmask] >> >> >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > >> ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> > >> >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >> >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> >[log in to unmask] >> > >> ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >>To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>[log in to unmask] >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>