Malamin
Occational dining with them is ok as long as you invoke the 'tasmiah' quiety - prefered- or loudy . Remember it is not an everyday issue . Hopefully you do not dine with them all your life and all the time . This is the exception not the rule here . You must also always let them know your preferences .Suggest a fish meal would be great . American USDA Chicken is normally safe as the are cut properly ( the Dhabihah way- using a sharp object to quickly cut the skin in the neck area including severing the windpipe and blood vessels to eanable through bleeding- cutting the throat( hugum) and the osephagus(mari) and the jugular vein and carotid atery (wadajaam)
The only thing missing is the Tasmiyyah ( pronouncing the name of Allah before cutting).
According to Abu Hanifah and Imam Shafi if the Tasmiah is missing intentionally or un intentionally it is lawful for us to eat the meat.
The bigger conerns here is that how do you ensure that the meat you eat from your own Muslims brothers and sisters are halal? Do you ask them? . or do you assume it is?
(again the silent tasmiah is always the safest )
check out Surah Bakara ayat 172 &173 plus maids ayat 3 as other quotes.
We must follow the orders of Allah as prescribed in thw Quran but there are certain conditiions and exceptions that make it permissable to consume such food
My quota for psoting on the L today may be up so until tomorrow .
Habib
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>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:07:16 +0000
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>Mr Ghanim:
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>I have a question for you regarding dining with non muslims.
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>If my jewish/christian neighbor invites me to dinner and beef/lamb
>is part
>of the menu offered, is it okay to eat of it even though I know the
>Holy
>Qu'ran says;
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>So eat of that (meat) on which Allâh's Name has been pronounced
>(while
>slaughtering the animal), if you are believers in His Ayât (proofs,
>evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). Qu'ran(6:118)
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>And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allâh's Name has
>been
>pronounced (at the time of slaughtering the animal), while He has
>explained
>to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion
>of
>necessity? And surely many do lead (mankind) astray by their own
>desires
>through lack of knowledge. Certainly your Lord knows best the
>transgressors.
>Qu'ran(6:119)
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>Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allâh's Name has not
>been
>pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal), for sure
>it is
>Fisq (a sin and disobedience of Allâh). And certainly, the Shayâtin
>(devils)
>do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you, and if
>you obey
>them[] [by making AlMaytatah (a dead animal) legal by eating it],
>then you
>would indeed be Mushrikûn (polytheists) [because they (devils and
>their
>friends) made lawful to you to eat that which Allâh has made
>unlawful to eat
>and you obeyed them by considering it lawful to eat, and by doing so
>you
>worshipped them, and to worship others besides Allâh is polytheism].
>Qu'ran(6:121)
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>Rough Translation of the Quran Please keep in mind all ANY
>translation of
>the Qur'an will most definitely contain errors In its natural
>language
>(Arabic), the Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah (God) to mankind
>through
>the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Any translation of the
>Qur'an no
>longer retains that 'official' and perfect status, however it can be
>tremendously helpful to beginning students wanting to learn more
>about
>Islam.
>
>Sorry for the long quotations.
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>Kind Regards,
>MJohnson
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