>From: malik kah <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Prince and the NIA/Malik kah >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:38:49 +0000 > >Yero, the concluding question you asked summed up your position viz a viz >the NIA. "Why fear the NIA when if you did not break the law?" By virtue >of >asking such a question you are making the inference that the NIA is doing >nothing wrong it is the victims who have something covert and that is the >reason why they are being picked in the firsy place. You see such type of >reasoning is erroneous, because it excuses the culprit and accuses the >victim. This type of logic is very loopsided, hence it cannot stand the >yardstick of justice and that is precisely what you have become victim of. >You are failing to accept the injustices perpetrated by this institution. >By >doing so you are not helping forge a genuine democracy. You are actually >perpetuating tyranny, because instead of voicing against injustice you are >turning to the other side pretending nothing is happening. More mystifying >is your attempt to justify the actions as being conventional covert >actions, >this is classic a classic case of denial. You should acknowledge as did a >judge that the NIA is acting in contempt of everybody, even whereas the >courts instruct them, they do not heed, thus treating with contempt our >very >legal instituitions. > >I have never purported to defend the acts of the CIA, but I can be honest >to >acknowledge that they can never get away with torture or contempt of court >under US JURIDICTION, and you cannot say the same of the NIA. The NIA is >virtually kidnapping people and deying any knowledge of their whereabouts, >are you seriously not concerned abot such tactics? If not then there is no >point furthering this discussion, however, if you recognised that their >methods are not acceptable, then I will accept that you are partisan but >decent. >I hope you appreciate my contentions it is simply based on the facts of the >NIA'S MODUS OPERANDI, I feel there is need to re-organise the institution >and make it accountable before a parliamentary committee, that way we can >use it for the national good and avoid its excesses and arbritrary >treatment >of citizens who pay their wages. > > > > >>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Prince and the NIA/Malik kah >>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:30:19 +0000 >> >>Malik, >> Neither was i trying to defend anything or anybody brother.You have >>the >>right to be an advocate of the CIA if u so wish but...It puzzles me to see >>Malik a PDOIS member sending such sweet milk to an institution like the >>CIA! >>Well Malik in as much as one fears being a culprit of George Bush's "You >>are >>either with us or against us" likewise,attempting to entertain topics were >>the CIA is to be seen as a better tiger than the NIA or any other >>intelligence agency elsewhere is REALLY unexpected of you. >>Show me where i attempted to defend the NIA in my article? Where Malik? >> >>If i were defending them blindly would i have recommended training the >>agents concerned etc etc? >>Malik my position was to compare and contrast and then ask questions...? >>Did >>u carefully read my posting brother? >> >>Malik no security agency for that matter can escape the dirty games of >>"covert" operations.You are yet to be "seasoned" in that area i assume(?) >>Malik then should i say you are deliberately attempting to make us accept >>that the open apology on CNN as far as Lumumba's death is concerned >>especially where the CIA has been stained in that operation,is ok for you >>or...? >>So despite the fact that they and the Belgians were mentioned on the CNN >>in >>an operation like that you still prefer them being saints over other >>intelligence agencies as far as the rule of law is concerned? >>Ah Malik?! Or should i say that for you law is only applicable to the >>present and not the past? >> >>Malik please visit the following site and tell me whether you CAN see a >>better apparatus amongst these intelligence agencies as far as certain >>operations are concerned or not? >>Miscarriages in justice are more often caused by intelligence agencies >>than >>any other institution as far as "covert" operations are concerned Malik,be >>they NIA or not! >> >>The site is:(www.hrw.org/reports/2000/Rwanda) >>Malik the more we go the more i can be showing you were both the goose and >>the gander pick their grains from! >>So i wasn't defending the NIA i was just trying to let some of us know >>that >>its a dream for anyone to think ofa state without an intelligence agency! >>You did mention the failure of the gestapo...yes Malik! Similar issues >>created the dark cells of the Gulag achipelago also! These agencies were >>created for a purpose and they met other agencies that played the cards >>better than them thus they were put off and demonised for me and you. >>However,all professionals be they teachers,doctors etc do use the same >>methods that they learnt from schools or training centers.So the best or >>the >>worst depends on who understands how to make good use of what was taught >>at >>school and who does not! >>Now all agents are trained from the same institutions and are using the >>same >>methods, so how can you attempt to seperate milk from sugar after the >>latter >>has already dissolved in that very bowl of milk? >>If you praise those intelligence agencies now and condemn colonialism it >>will make me reach for an aspirin! >>Who were the conductors of those methods towards our villages apart from >>those agencies u are praising here? >>If the Paris agent respects the rule of law(according to what i can gather >>from yours) more than the Gambian one and that very Parisien showed the >>Gambian one how to utilise what was learnt from METHODS AND TECHNICS,isn't >>that a paradoxical position from you Malik?! >>Malik the methods that have been picked up from Washington or from London >>are the very ones being used at GPMB! >>NOTHING LESS NOTHING MORE! >>You made mention of the CIA answering to questions during press >>conference! >>Yes Malik but that was the director and other senior officials you >>saw.What >>did the director reply as far as the last question was concerned? >>Well Malik he chuckled and said that he'd prefer answering it in private! >>Malik that was transparency being disrespected or National security being >>safeguarded? I would prefer the latter if i were to be in the CIA >>director's >>position. >>Concealing some information at times means saving the life of agents who >>are >>on the ground and in most cases some of those are on missions that are >>intended to save the lives of millions. >>So Malik isn't the domain of intelligence networking to slippery to >>politicise through paradoxical analysis and unprofessional journalism? >> >>Malik if u wish i invite u to be my guest on this. >> >>Yeropulloh! >> >> >>"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU" >>"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you." >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> >> >>To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>[log in to unmask] >> >><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>