>From: Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:05:31 -0000 > >Mr Habib, > Your point is well noted, but I feel that you have still not grasped the >thrust of what I was trying to >say.I am sorry about that. I am going to give it another shot and hopefully >this time I'll succeed in making >you understand what I was trying to put across about the NCADC and Mr Cohen. > >Mr Cohen is not by any means an executive member of the NCADC.There is no >executive body as such. There are regional coordinators only. >He is just another a volunteer like myself and many others. >He does not speak on behalf of the third world as such,(BONO of U2, STING, >BOB GELDOF and other musicians and celebrities >are who do that most of the time in the UK, like Drop The Debt concerts >etc). The the organisation is just >a charity that was brought about by the plight of immigrants in the UK. > >The national co-coordinator is one John O, who resides in Birmingham. They >usually have >support (both financially and morally) from the British Socialist >Party,some British Trade and Student Unions( >this is how I got to know about them and also to join them in their most >selfless and valuable >services to the immigrant community). Last year it was lucky to be awarded >funding by >the National Lottery Fund . This is a fund that is generated through some of >the >extra cash generated through the bi-weekly national lottery in the UK, and >the trust gives out money to >organisations that they deem are doing good services to the society. > >No one in the organisation is actually paid for the work they do. It is >basically >people who devote their time selflessly in helping others. Have some of them >got >hidden agendas?, that I cannot say, but human nature being what it is I >won't be surprised >one bit if that happens to be the case, but all in all they are a bunch of >nice genuine mostly >white British people who genuinely are touched by the plight of immigrants >and refugees and as such >devote their time and energy in helping them out. > >Once again Mr Cohen does not speak for the third world, (as in fact most of >the refugees in the UK do not come from Africa or Asia >but from Eastern Europe, namely Kosovo, Albania etc.) he just uses his spare >time to help refugees and immigrants, and that >I think is quite honourable of him. > >I hope I've succeeded in making you understand the work Mr Cohen and others >do, if not then let me know >and I shall send you some more details privately on the work NCADC does. > >All the best >Manneh > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Habib Ghanim > Sent: 19 March 2002 20:20 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > > > > > > > Dave > > You are right . It is so sad that we in the so called third world have >folks like brother Cohen to speak on our behalf while we have the best and >most educated intellectuals amongst us. > > If we do not tell our own story the way we see it and the way it actually >was who will do it for us ? and if they do why should we complain. It is >high time we start getting involved not only lip service nor photo opps. >Do I sound negative .? maybe but when will we wake up and take the bulls by >the horn as our late teachers Master Thomas and Mike Taurey used to tell us >(St Augustine's high sch) > > > > Have a nice day and thanks again for the good articles you contribute >occasionally. > > Habib > > > > >From: Dave Manneh > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:45:22 -0000 > > > >Mr. Habib > > > >Oh well I guess you and I are both only mere mortals.Allah knows best. > > > >Thanks anyway. > >Manneh > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Habib Ghanim > > Sent: 19 March 2002 18:41 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > > > > > > Thanks Dave > > > > > > > > We have had folks who claimed to work for us while they were busy > >gathering info for the other side > > > > typical examples are steve Emerson and Daniel Pipes. > > > > > > > > The jewish names have nothing to do with my point . I have actually had > >some personal experiences in such organizations so based on them I came >to > >that conclusion . I may be wrong but time will tell and only God knows . > > > > If I am wrong then I stand corrected and make amends then > > > > Habib > > > > > > > > >From: Dave Manneh > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:29:16 +0000 > > > > > >Mr. Habib, > > >I am too sure if you have actually read the forward, or maybe you did >not > > >understand it fully well, but the gist of his piece is FOR immigrants, > >and not > > >AGAINST.If the latter was the case then i wonder if I would have even > >bothered > > >to read it let alone forward it to the L. > > > > > >Perhaps Mr. Cohen has a Jewish name, but he works with the > > >National Coalition Of Anti Deportation Campaigns, a group that everyday > >takes > > >the UK government to court on behalf of poor immigrants who otherwise > >would not > > >be able to afford the cost of having their cases heard and judged upon. > > > > > >His Jewish origin/heritage does not bother me one bit. And please > >remember that > > >there is a clear distinction between being Jewish and being a Zionist. > >Jewish > > >parentage he is, but Zionist I do not think he is. > > >His group genuinely fights for the rights of refugees and immigrants in > >the UK, > > >be it for equal access to housing or state benefits, and that i can >vouch > >for. > > > > > >Please read the piece again if you have a free mo or two. > > > > > >Good day to you. > > > > > >Note: An english saying " Even a broken clock is correct twice a day." > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > >Web interface > > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >-- > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To > >unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web > >interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To >contact > >the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To >unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact >the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~