Mr Habib, Your point is well noted, but I feel that you have still not grasped the thrust of what I was trying to say.I am sorry about that. I am going to give it another shot and hopefully this time I'll succeed in making you understand what I was trying to put across about the NCADC and Mr Cohen. Mr Cohen is not by any means an executive member of the NCADC.There is no executive body as such. There are regional coordinators only. He is just another a volunteer like myself and many others. He does not speak on behalf of the third world as such,(BONO of U2, STING, BOB GELDOF and other musicians and celebrities are who do that most of the time in the UK, like Drop The Debt concerts etc). The the organisation is just a charity that was brought about by the plight of immigrants in the UK. The national co-coordinator is one John O, who resides in Birmingham. They usually have support (both financially and morally) from the British Socialist Party,some British Trade and Student Unions( this is how I got to know about them and also to join them in their most selfless and valuable services to the immigrant community). Last year it was lucky to be awarded funding by the National Lottery Fund . This is a fund that is generated through some of the extra cash generated through the bi-weekly national lottery in the UK, and the trust gives out money to organisations that they deem are doing good services to the society. No one in the organisation is actually paid for the work they do. It is basically people who devote their time selflessly in helping others. Have some of them got hidden agendas?, that I cannot say, but human nature being what it is I won't be surprised one bit if that happens to be the case, but all in all they are a bunch of nice genuine mostly white British people who genuinely are touched by the plight of immigrants and refugees and as such devote their time and energy in helping them out. Once again Mr Cohen does not speak for the third world, (as in fact most of the refugees in the UK do not come from Africa or Asia but from Eastern Europe, namely Kosovo, Albania etc.) he just uses his spare time to help refugees and immigrants, and that I think is quite honourable of him. I hope I've succeeded in making you understand the work Mr Cohen and others do, if not then let me know and I shall send you some more details privately on the work NCADC does. All the best Manneh -----Original Message----- From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Habib Ghanim Sent: 19 March 2002 20:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot Dave You are right . It is so sad that we in the so called third world have folks like brother Cohen to speak on our behalf while we have the best and most educated intellectuals amongst us. If we do not tell our own story the way we see it and the way it actually was who will do it for us ? and if they do why should we complain. It is high time we start getting involved not only lip service nor photo opps. Do I sound negative .? maybe but when will we wake up and take the bulls by the horn as our late teachers Master Thomas and Mike Taurey used to tell us (St Augustine's high sch) Have a nice day and thanks again for the good articles you contribute occasionally. Habib >From: Dave Manneh >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:45:22 -0000 > >Mr. Habib > >Oh well I guess you and I are both only mere mortals.Allah knows best. > >Thanks anyway. >Manneh > -----Original Message----- > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Habib Ghanim > Sent: 19 March 2002 18:41 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > > > Thanks Dave > > > > We have had folks who claimed to work for us while they were busy >gathering info for the other side > > typical examples are steve Emerson and Daniel Pipes. > > > > The jewish names have nothing to do with my point . I have actually had >some personal experiences in such organizations so based on them I came to >that conclusion . I may be wrong but time will tell and only God knows . > > If I am wrong then I stand corrected and make amends then > > Habib > > > > >From: Dave Manneh > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: The Prayer Of The Political Bigot > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:29:16 +0000 > > > >Mr. Habib, > >I am too sure if you have actually read the forward, or maybe you did not > >understand it fully well, but the gist of his piece is FOR immigrants, >and not > >AGAINST.If the latter was the case then i wonder if I would have even >bothered > >to read it let alone forward it to the L. > > > >Perhaps Mr. Cohen has a Jewish name, but he works with the > >National Coalition Of Anti Deportation Campaigns, a group that everyday >takes > >the UK government to court on behalf of poor immigrants who otherwise >would not > >be able to afford the cost of having their cases heard and judged upon. > > > >His Jewish origin/heritage does not bother me one bit. And please >remember that > >there is a clear distinction between being Jewish and being a Zionist. >Jewish > >parentage he is, but Zionist I do not think he is. > >His group genuinely fights for the rights of refugees and immigrants in >the UK, > >be it for equal access to housing or state benefits, and that i can vouch >for. > > > >Please read the piece again if you have a free mo or two. > > > >Good day to you. > > > >Note: An english saying " Even a broken clock is correct twice a day." > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-- > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To >unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact >the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~