Another point that Yus misses is that these Zionist Jews are different from the original orthodox Jews who do not think like them. ( let's  take the KKK for example who call themselves devout christians but are racists to the fullest extent  -   orthodox/catholic christians do not think or act like KKK Christians (  the reason why I bring this comparison is to shed some light in the background so we do not confuse the real jews from the zionists. . Judaism as a religion has it's roots in the basic belief that they are God's chosen people and all of us are gentiles (including Yus and I ) and that they will go to heaven and we will all go to hell . Another myth and reason why Jesus ( pbuh) came to give them a message that all men are created equal and they are not better than the rest of us. Precisely for that reason the Jews ( rabbis) conspired to kill and crucify Christ . They are not even letting his birth place rest now . JJesus must be crying now looking downn at Sharon tryng to crucify him again . This blatant Jewish/Zionist disrespect for all the world must be checked and stopped by us.( just  look at what gammes they are pllaying wiith tthe UN and Kofi Annan on the Jennin masacre mission.- it says iit all - no respect -why must we dance to their tune) 

Yus , No one wants to see each other blown up unless they are insane but what these professors put n the minds of  many of their students is only the evils of such terror without focusing on the root causes as Bakary indicated . - It is the occupation ,use of force by the IDF,,  lack of respect by the zionist for the rest of the world, greed and selfish exploitation of our tax dollars to get weapons to kill the weaker people who in turn when pushed to the corner have to  defend themselves by becoming  freedom fighters for their people and terrorists to the occuppation forces.

It is simple - anyone  who does not support Israel is a terrorist- according to the Zionists.

We must all pray to God for the end of such injustice by tthe Israelli  defense forces so we will all llive in peacetogether. I do not want to see or  hear about another death of anyone no mater what your faith or ethnic backkground is .Period  

Yus ,this is not intennded to say you are not a bright youngg manbut just to make a point that we get carried away at times unknowingly. I do manytimmes . I enjoy your contributions and allways learn fromtthemm .. Take care and thank you for your patience and understanding

regards

Habib Diab Ghanim

>From: Bakary Kanteh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: George W. Sadat >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:47:54 +0100 > >Yus, >I must concede that your arguements are sound and engaging unlike >the >'emotional stance'i have taken on the conflict which has definitely >clouded >my objectivity and judgments as to which of the parties is to blame >in the >conflict. I have already passed my verdict: Israel is to blame; >their >illegal occupation of Palestinian territory is the root cause of the >conflict in which terrorism is employed by both sides of the >conflict to >attain their respective political objectives. The political >objective of the >Palestinians is simply freedom from occupation and therefore the >rest of >the world should insist for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the >occupied >territories or else faced worldwide sanctions. If the whole world >could >unite to immediately repel Saddam's Army from Kuwait in 1990, why >can't the >same be done in the case of Israel vs Palestine. Probably, the >latter has no >oil fields. There are no other people in this world faced with >predicament, >resentment and helplessness such as currently faced by the >Palestinians. I >was disheartened and really angry this evening when Channel 4 >featured some >of the destruction caused by the Israeli army to the social >infrasture of >the Palestinians. It is unbelievable but true; the Israeli army >ransacked >Palestinian educational facilities, destroyed computers and teaching >equipment all in the name of counter-terrorism. By the way, there >were no >Palestinian gunmen in those amenities for one to conclude that the >destruction occured as a result of running battles with the Israeli >army. It >was sheer vandalism by an army equipped and trained by the US. > >I also think that you should try to broaden your notion of what >terrrorism >is. Terrorism is the act of using terror to achieve an objective, >not merely >political ends. The end result of terrorism is not confined to >deaths or >injuries; it could be purposed towards inciting fear, desperation or >capitulation to the desires of the initiator or agent of terror. >Your >understanding of terrorism is tailor-made from the western >redefinition of >it in the aftermath of tragic September 11. As the President of >Syria told >Tony Blair in Damascus: Someone's terrorist could be another's >freedom >fighter. Military warfare is part of terrorism; the misuse of the >NIA is >part of terrorism upon Gambians; the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam >Hussein is >terrorism, so is the Invasion and occupation by Israel of Palestinan >territories; the trans-Atlantics and tran-Saharan Slave trades were >terrorism; the Holocaust was terrorism upon the Jews; the denial of >humanitarian supplies to Iraq by the US and her allies is part of >terrorism >etc. etc. >Mind you, terrrorism is not always obvious to the casual observer. >It can be >dressesd up to potray a false image but in reality it could be >causing >despair and desperation to others. This may sound very ridiculous to >you but >it is my firmly-held belief that the deliberate impoverisation of >the >so-called Third world by whosoever and through whatever means is >terrorism. >In reality the terrorists are of two sorts: Plain and disguised. The >plain >ones, we all see and hear reported about on TV such as Hamas, IRA, >and the >Israeli Army etc but the disguised terrorists mostly wear >respectable suits >and ties with command over the forces of coercion whom they usually >deploy >at will eg Ariel Sharon and Saddam Hussein. Their orders can result >in the >death of scores or thousands of innocent but they care less because >they >regard most of their victims as colateral damage or casualties. >In conclusion, the definition of terrorism is not only falling >buildings, >flying human bodies, flying glass, shattered buses, bulldozes >buildings, >shooting stone throwers, bloodied faces, it includes all other >activities >designed to incite terror in the people. > >At least for now, I must end my rambling here. > >Have a good time and wishing you a speedy recovery from your injury. > >Take Care > >BMK > > >>In your last piece, you attempted to label me as a supporter of the >>Israeli >>cause. However, unlike your clearly emotional stance on this >>issue, I have >>decided to take the more constructive view by looking at the >>actions and >>motives of all the parties involved in this struggle. Of course, >>like most >>crazy bearded reactionists, it is very easy to run around yelling; >>"Jihad >>Jihad Jihad." >> >>As I iterated in my earlier pieces, both parties (i.e., both the >>Israelis & >>Palestinians) should share the blame for the awful situation we >>have there >>today. Israeli occupation of land for settlements & war crimes do >>not help >>the situation, but in the same breadth, the obliteration of >>innocent lives >>through the actions of suicide bombers just serves to antagonize >>the >>conflict. This IMO is a sound foundation from which to look at this >>conflict. >> This stance should not be confused as being partial to the >>Israeli cause, >>especially after having expressed my support of a Palestinian >>State, >>encompassing the pre-1967 borders. >> >>Since you have also decided to rant & rave emotionally about the >>USA's role >>in this conflict, let's take briefly take a look at this player; >>There is absolutely no doubt that the USA is a friend of Israel, a >>stance >>which has been reinforced by many American leaders, including >>George Bush. >>However any insinuation that the USA is involved in some covert >>conspiracy >>to >>subjugate the Palestinians is way off tangent. >> >>While it is reasonable to assert that this country should bring >>more >>pressure >>to bear on Israel by threatening to cut off it's aid, it is also >>very >>important to note that the Palestinians have received tremendous >>amounts of >>money from the USA. For example, with the help of the World Bank >>and the >>USA, Jenin received almost 5 Billion Dollars in aid to assist folks >>there. >> >>The refugee camps created as a result of this long conflict have >>long been >>supported by the West and this country in particular. These >>actions do not >>sound entirely pro-Israel and completely anti-Palestinian. It is >>also >>reasonable to assume that given the amount of money being poured >>into these >>camps, the West & USA would like to see a solution to the problem. >> >>Finally, I would like to address the most glaring error in your >>last few >>pieces; i.e., your obvious misunderstanding of the term 'terrorism' >>in its >>classic sense. Recently especially in light of the >>Israeli/Palestinian >>conflict, there has been much debate about the meaning of this >>term. My >>understanding of it is simple. >> >>Terrorism can be explained as violent acts usually targeted at >>innocent >>folks >>and intended to force the agenda and prompt a reaction from the >>attacked >>party. Going by this definition, the suicide bombings are clear >>acts of >>terrorism while the Israeli incursions are reactions to these >>attacks. >>This >>does not excuse the war crimes & atrocities supposedly committed by >>the IDF >>in the territories. These in my estimation are also atrocious acts >>which >>cannot be justified easily. >> >>Your scenario about Senegal annexing the Gambia is a clear >>indication of >>your >>misinterpretation of terrorism. Your analogy with the topic of >>discussion >>is >>wrong because the invasion would be deemed as an illegal invasion >>while any >>civilians dying as a result might be either deemed as collateral >>damage as >>is >>the case in many wars, whereas the deliberate targeting of >>civilians would >>be >>deemed war crimes & atrocities. This IMO is a clear departure from >>the >>meaning of terrorism. >> >>But if Gambian put up a struggle against the Senegalese forces, >>this act >>would be deemed a legitimate struggle against invaders. On the >>other hand, >>if Gambians decided to go to Dakar and blow up innocent civilians >>the act >>would be deemed terroristic and would this fall under the classic >>definition >>of terrorism. >> >>In conclusion, I do not deem the acts committed by Mandela's ANC to >>be >>terroristic in nature. After all, the ANC did not send their >>innocent kids >>out to slaughter Afrikaner children. To the contrary, Mandela >>stood up and >>faced his enemies by saying; >>"We forgive you." This IMO, is the mark of a great man who should >>never be >>compared to Arafat, who by recent armament shipments and evidence >>of his >>military wing's linkage to terrorist acts is in principle a >>terrorist. >>Like >>I said before, two or even multiples wrongs do not make a right. >> >>-YUS >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >>Gambia-L >>Web interface >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>[log in to unmask] >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~