>From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:52:31 +0000 > >List members (silent and vocal), I am appealing to you'll to put a >moratorium on delisting individuals until we come to an agreement or >understanding on how to proceed with normal operations on the L. >Can you >kindly reinstate the individuals affected and we all engage in a >more >productive discussion to put this behind us. I understand this >whole mass >management delisting and voluntary delisting by individuals came >about >because of a commentary by Dave Manneh, which Mboge seconded, etc. >I do not >think divorcing oneself voluntarily or otherwise from the forum is >the >answer to this problem, nor do I think that starting another bantaba >is the >answer. Let us calm down and reason out the issues to an >understanding. >Once again, please reinstate the people in question and I also >appeal to >those that voluntarily delisted to reconsider their decision and >come back >to the table. Remember, the struggle of our people is bigger than >each an >every one of us. Going our separate ways does nothing but hurt the >very >cause that we fought for so long - forging a better Gambia for all. >I >patiently await your cooperation in this request. > >Chi Jaama > >Joe Sambou > > >>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest >>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:29:15 -0400 >> >>Jaiteh, please give us a break with these crocodile tears. Let us >>grant to >>you that we need a code of conduct (which I doubt); explain to us >>why you >>‘delisted’ Mboge summarily without ‘delisting’ people that used the >>‘a-word’? Don’t pretend to be better than people that use language >>you >>would >>not use in your daily affairs or at the Bantaba in Baddibu. >>Hypocrites do >>NOT have the moral high-ground over straight-shooters, in my book. >>Your >>actions are indefensible. Tell us all the offensive words. Is the >>threat of >>violence acceptable to you in your daily affairs? Do you know that >>it is a >>crime to threaten people with violence like you threatened me the >>other >>day? >>I warned you before that if you embark on this slippery slope of >>censorship, >>you can NEVER tell where it will land you. You can get 'delisted', >>among >>other things. >>KB >> >> >> >>>From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <[log in to unmask]> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >>><[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest >>>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:05:55 -0400 >>> >>>Karamba, >>>It is sad to learn that you are delisting from the L if the >>>Management >>>does >>>not adopt a No-DELISTING policy. I must say I am one of your few >>>admirers >>>on >>>this list, not only for your intellect but for your ability to >>>make your >>>point with respect and dignity. I think you will surely be missed >>>if you >>>deside to leave. >>> >>>Karamba, I repect your point on free speech and your desire that >>>we do not >>>regulate it. Nevertheless, I do not subscribe to the notion of >>>letting >>>people say what they want in any manner they choose including >>>insults and >>>rants. In my few years of existence in this world I know no >>>society or >>>community without rules of conduct. I believe that any gathering >>>must set >>>standard that all must work to achieve or keep. And Gambia-l >>>should be no >>>exception. >>>Form the societies we come from (our families, ethnic groups and >>>Gambia) >>>to >>>the ones we live in there >>>are regulations. I do not know any group of people who call >>>themselves >>>civilized, mature and intellect who when they meet say whatever >>>they wish >>>to >>>whoever they want. >>> >>>So it pains me to see seemingly great Gambian minds (over 500 of >>>them) >>>coming together and just to haul any thing that they can pick in >>>the name >>>of >>>free speech. Where is calling each other names and all adjectives >>>take us >>>as >>>a people discussing our future? >>> >>>As I said, I respect your views but I do not agree. I have >>>explained my >>>action (removing Modou Olly-Mboge) to the management team and when >>>I hear >>>from them I will let the entire list know why I did what I did. >>> >>>Have a good day and I ask you to reconsider your decision. >>> >>>Malanding Jaiteh >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: <[log in to unmask]> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:35 AM >>>Subject: I am Delisting myself in protest >>> >>> >>> > I am voluntarily Delisting myself from Gambia-L to protest the >>>management's >>> > penchant to regulate the speech of people especially those >>>perceived to >>>be >>> > offensive. Unless the list adopts an outright policy of NEVER >>>delisting >>>any >>> > member for ANY reason, I am not interested in participating. It >>>is >>>absolutely >>> > foolish to attempt to regulate speech and I want no part of it. >>>Let >>>people >>> > say what they want in any manner they choose including insults >>>and >>>rants. >>>It >>> > is an acceptable hazard of freedom of speech. We have been >>>through this >>> > never-ending cycle of absurd attempts at behavior control that >>>has and >>>will >>> > never work. Let members be what they choose to be as free >>>people. >>> > Karamba Touray >>> > >>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to >>>the >>>Gambia-L >>>Web interface >>> > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>> > [log in to unmask] >>> > >>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >>>Gambia-L >>>Web interface >>>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>[log in to unmask] >>> >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >>Gambia-L >>Web interface >>at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >>To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>[log in to unmask] >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~