>From: George Sarr <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: New member to the List Management Team >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:08:23 -0500 > >Momodou Camara, > Thanks for this useless piece of information(FOTCL!-Falling Off The Chair >Laughing). Naaah, I'm just kidding Mo'. Actually you've given us some great >pieces of information. Nevertheless, I still do think we were short changed >though (hehehe!). Well, according to the Listserv manual: > > "NOMail is the complementary command that stops mail but leaves you > subscribed to the list. (NOMail is often a good compromise for users who > are leaving the office for vacation or on extended business trips, and > who don't want a full mailbox on their return.) The format of the > messages received is controlled by the DIGEST/INDEX/NODIGEST/NOINDEX > options (see below). > > Please note, if you use an auto-responder while on vacation without > setting your subscription options to NOMail, your "vacation" messages > may bounce back to LISTSERV and you may be "served off" from LISTSERV > when you return. This is because LISTSERV will be unable to process the > message from your auto-responder and will consider it an error. > Being "served off" simply means that any commands you send to LISTSERV > will be ignored until someone else sends a SERVE command on your behalf. > See Appendix E for more information about the SERVE command." > >Now I said we were short changed; because #1 the NOMAIL command disables >mail delivery (temporarily I might add); and #2 it will not allow you to >continue to send e-mails regularly 'cause Listserv processes your postings >as an autoresponder and "and will consider it an error". It serves you off >in other words. So whaddaya do? Well, I'll wait till you clarify before I make any other suggestions. I specifically would like to know whether you can use the NOMail feature(disables mail delivery) yet still being able to post messages as usual. If that is what you're implying, then I would start >using this breather ASAP. Afterall, why reinvent the wheel when the cat is >totally wrapped in the bag? > >Momodou, thanks in advance. I look forward to hearing back from you. > >Cheers! > >PS: Here is something interesting to chew on over a hot cup o' Earl Grey's >tea. I tumbled on it on the Listserv manual(where else!). The subject : >"How To Deal With Rude People" No kidding folks. Flies like a butterfly, stinks like a bee..hehehe! Read on : > > HOW TO DEAL WITH RUDE PEOPLE > >The Internet, just like the real world, has its share of rude people. >While there isn't much one can do about it, it would be silly to avoid >using the Internet simply for fear that someone might insult you in public >one day. Sooner or later, it will happen, and the best you can do is to be >prepared for this. When it does happen, the only thing you absolutely must >not do is whack the "reply" button and send off a stream of insults at >your offender - or if you absolutely must, at least make sure that you do >so in private. All you would achieve with a stream of insults is what is >called a "flame war" in network jargon - dozens of people casting insults >at each other, and a very swollen mailbox. Insulting someone on a public >list is very much like punching someone in the face in a crowded bar near >closing time; don't do it unless you want to get into a fight that could >be painful for everyone. > >Now, of course, you have been insulted and some factually incorrect >statements may have been made about you, or your words may have been >twisted around to make them sound like you meant exactly the opposite of >what you said. A public reply may be appropriate, in much the same way >that one would write to the editor of a newspaper and request the >publication of a formal reply to "straighten out the facts". The important >thing is to avoid content-free messages where no misinformation is >corrected, no point is made and all that is ever exchanged is insults. > >But before you do that, you will want to consider why these people have >been rude to you. First of all, make sure the poster did intend to be >rude. The Internet connects people from over 50 countries, and many of >them are not native English speakers. They may have translated an >idiomatic expression literally, and insulted you without meaning to. >Similarly, native English speakers may have used a correct idiomatic >expression which, when translated literally, sounds very mean in your >language. > >The next thing to consider is where the poster comes from. No matter what >your personal opinion on the question may be, there are cultures with a >very different definition of what is or is not socially acceptable, and in >particular there are cultures where personal attacks are no big deal. >While you may think that they should not do anything that hurts your >feelings, you probably don't want to get into a cultural flame war, >because you are probably hurting other people's feelings as well on a >regular basis. For instance, do you always address people by their full >name and title, or do you just say "As Peter said yesterday..."? In some >countries, it is a grave insult to call people by their first name if you >don't know them personally, while in others using the full title can sound >sarcastic. There are dozens of similar examples, and the only way to >successful cross-cultural communication is to tolerate other people's >cultural habits in return for their tolerance of yours. > >Another point to consider is that, sometimes, people are having meaningful >discussions in a tone that appears inappropriate to you, but that may seem >perfectly normal to them. As long as their messages contain useful >information, there is no point in trying to police the list, both because >it is the list owner's job, not yours, and because adults are unlikely to >change their behavior in any significant way, especially if the people >complaining are new to the list. If you want the list owners to take >action, it is better to write to them directly, so that you do not end up >being labelled as "one of the people running the flame war". If you just >want to publicly express your indignation, it is best to type the message >and pause, just before sending it, to consider whether you are doing this >in the general interest or for your personal, selfish satisfaction. Most >mail programs let you cancel a message. > >Lastly, if you are new to the Internet please take the time to look >through existing resources on netiquette (the rules of etiquette governing >on-line communication). > >Note that among Internet users, a kind of "shorthand" exists which may be >confusing at first. One example of this is the term "IMHO", which means > "in my humble/honest opinion". Some other examples can be found in >Appendix C. > >You may also encounter symbols called "emoticons", which are used to help >define the emotions of the poster while he is writing. Some of the more >popular emoticons are found in Appendix B. > > > >From: Momodou Camara <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: New member to the List Management Team >To: [log in to unmask] >Date: May 16, 2002 > > >On 15 May 2002 at 16:45, George Sarr wrote: > > Let me elaborate a little; say I use [log in to unmask] (as my dummy e-mail > > address), and provided it is subscribed by List managers tp the G_L, I can > > use this online form and send all my postings. Since this is a dummy e- > > mail account, you won't be able to receive mails, but who needs to when > > you have the G_L archives. Besides the whole idea behind this is to avoid > > clogging your inbox. I don't know about you but I like to be able to send > > and read from the archives than going through gazillion e-mails in one > > ibox. You may inadvertently miss an important e-mail as a result of bulky > > G_L e-mails cloggging your inbox daily. > > > > Anyway, I would be more than willing to share this idea and others with our List > > managers and let you members see if this something you want to adopt. I don't > > mind sharing ideas at all. > >George, >Thanks for this suggestion but LISTSERV is so powerful that individual >subscribers who do not want to get their mail boxes clogged can already >have complete control over their mail delivery options without interference >from any list manager. They can set the system to NOMAIL and read all >postings from the web interface. NOMail is often a good compromise for >users who are leaving the office for vacation or on extended business trips, >and who don't want a full mailbox on their return. > >Here are some short instructions on LISTSERV SET options: > > All of these "command" messages should be sent to the >helpful but ignorant LISTSERV clerical robot at: > >[log in to unmask] <>address!>>

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