Musa, I concur. Chi Jaama Joe Sambou >From: <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask] >To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]>, <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: [>-<] Re: A CLEAN SLATE >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:06:32 -0400 > >[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by ><[log in to unmask]> ] > > >Gentlemen, > >It is unfortunate that the very people in the Diaspora—specifically on >these cyber forums, who have on occasion accused the opposition party >leaders as selfish, and not responsive to the plight of the Gambians, are >now mired in pettiness, self righteousness and defending their own egos. We >can keep trying to find all the self-justification in the world, but at the >end of the day, we have to practice what we preach to other people. > >When the idea was first unveiled in April, with a preamble and work in- >progress guidelines, one thing was very clear, the unspoken ultimate >objective: to equip us—Diasporeans, with the financial muscle, so that we >can bring about an effective political change in the Gambia. Clearly, we >recognized our different partisan leanings and some of the other complex >issues that we would eventually have to deal with, How to bring about a >coalition? who is going to be the leader of the coalition ? And a variety >of other land mines that we will have to confront head on. But the reality >at this juncture is that, the financial muscle will give us access to have >a voice, and with this voice we can pursue the very issues that we would >like to see. In the US—a bastion of democracy, you are only considered a >serious presidential candidate if you can demonstrate the ability to raise >funds. It is important to support the people that have already undertaken >the fundraising function. We can cont! >inue the debate without impeding the process that has already begun. > >Finally, let us all be part of the process with our financial >contributions, giving out constructive feedbacks and avoid the tone and >temperament of the recent exchanges. It will only destroy the important >work ahead. > >Musa Jeng > > > > > From: Omar Gaye <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: 2003/08/22 Fri PM 12:18:53 EDT > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: A CLEAN SLATE > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > Because you have always seen this effort bigger than you, your yielding >really shows your character. If there was a false start or starting with >crap as said by others, this is an opportunity to start on a CLEAN SLATE. >In that case, here are my suggestions: > > > > > > > > Separate the Coalition Management Committee from the Save the Gambia >Fund, but still leaving the Committee under the umbrella of the Fund. > > Nominate committee members of 12 from GambiaPost and Gambia_L. >Committee members should not be limited to contributors to the Fund only. >(This selection process will be the messiest part since every Tm, Dick, and >Harry will feel he/she deserves to be part of it.) > > Create a new temporary listserv for the Committee so that they can >conduct the deliberations privately. > > Let the Committee develop the already existing skeleton Coalition >document. > > Have the Committee present its tentative final document to GambiaPost >and Gambia_L for additional suggestions and comments. > > Maintain the SFGA listserv for members only so that contributors can >be updated and discuss their direction. Additionally, the Coalition >Management Committee can then transfer to this listserv to share strategies >and planning. At this time, the leadership of the parties will be on and >making their input. > > > > > > > > If we take these steps, we will avoid all these talks of dictatorship >and exclusion. > > > > > > > > By the way, my suggestions are not written in stone and is subject to be >improved on by all. > > > > > > > > Omar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "Joe Sambou" ] > > > > > > Amat, thanks for your response. Amat, I did not get the facts wrong, I >did > > ask you to join in the efforts of the Accountant, and that Accountant is > > Saloum Njie, right there in Atlanta, please check the archives. But we >do > > not have to attempt to scoop an already spilled milk. Now, since you >have > > been making all these demands and your list lengthening, it's been about >a > > month or two since July 5, has Amat done anything about his concerns, as >a > > Gambian? Since Amat knows better what needs to be done and how it needs >to > > be done, has Amat implemented his wonderful ideas, its been 4 months, >since > > April. Now, please do not say I or Yus hindered you, for I do not even >know > > you or could stop you from anything. If you have not put your good >wisdom > > to practice, can you please start now. You have George, Bai, and others >on > > your side and I have no doubt that you guys could do everything better >and > > you have my support. So folks, please let us join Amat, George, Bai, and > > others on their wisdom for a better Gambia. I think this should work >fine > > and Gambia will benefit from their able stewardship. So, Amat, I have > > yielded to your demands and I am willing to join you and others in your > > efforts. I yielded to George the custody of the funds and it seem to be > > working and he is happy. I also believe that you are very capable of > > volunteering your services for your people. Folks, I am not going >anywhere. > > I can serve in any capacity, as long as we work towards our goal. This >is > > bigger than anyone individual. This fighting is really draining our > > energies and there is no sense in it. To be able to get the business of > > Gambia going, I am putting a motion for the contributors to decide if >the > > continuous attacks on the group is necessary. We cannot get anything > > accomplished when folks are determined to disrupt and drag us into a tog >of > > war each step of the way. This is my suggestion and I yield to hear your > > counsel. > > > > Chi Jaama > > > > Joe Sambou > > > > > > >From: [log in to unmask] > > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask] > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: [>-<] Amat/Yus/Joe > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:37:45 +0000 > > > > > >[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by [log in to unmask] >] > > > > > > > > >Yus, > > > Are you being serious here? You really think I have to explain >anything > > >to > > >you or anybody for that matter? I am not responsible for your memory >cells, > > >I > > >don't care what you recall. It's becoming even more obvious that you >people > > >just don't get it. So your gloried history of speaking out against >Jammeh > > >and > > >his decrees are your only qualifications to be a leader of this Fund > > >thingy? > > >I guess everybody else without the war stories similar to yours should >just > > >shut up and do as they told by the 'veterans.' > > > > > >Joe, my concerns have not changed at all. Rather, my list of concerns >is > > >just > > >getting longer. I am not angry but disturbed that you people interpret >some > > >rhetorical questions about the Fund as distractions. There has been a >lot > > >of > > >back and forth on this issue and that will probably explain why you >might > > >have the facts a little muddled up. You have never said a thing to me >about > > >Saloum Njie and his efforts. By the way, I'm after a democratic and > > >inclusive > > >process that will give birth to a Fund and ultimately, a coalition that > > >will > > >rid Gambia of Yahya Jammeh. A process that will not only solicit funds >from > > >Gambians but also their input and participation in this noble venture. > > > > > >Amat > > > > > > > > > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by [log in to unmask] >] > > > > > > > > > > > > Amat: > > > > I will not ignore you. This is an open listserv so unless where >anyone > > >can > > > > respond to any topic. > > > > > > > > One of the issues I have with this whole brouhaha from you is that I > > >don't > > > > recall you ever speaking out against Jammeh. Where were you when the > > >kids got > > > > massacred a few years ago? Where was your voice/keyboard when Jammeh > > > > implemented the decrees that subjugated the IEC and chief justices? > > >Where were > > > > you on election night of a few years ago? > > > > > > > > This is not to imply that you are apathetic to the plight of The >Gambia > > >but > > > > since you have made all this noise about Save The Gambia Fund, I >would > > >assume > > > > that you would at least publicly show some interest in the political > > >going-ons. > > > > Are you challenging the set up of the fund because you care about > > >political > > > > change in The Gambia or are you doing it simply because you can? > > > > > > > > I eagerly await your response! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE GAMBIA|POST >----------------- > > > > Access our ARCHIVE at : http://www.gambiapost.net/signon.php > > > > (password is : freedumo ) > > > > You can now chat with Post members at: > > >http://65.18.147.105/chat/index.php > > > > To remove yourself from this mailing list: > > > > send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] > > > > with the following command in the body of your email message : > > > > unsubscribe mail > > > > E.g unsubscribe mail > > > > Or subscribe mail to (re)subscribe anew > > > > Be sure to e-mail List Management for assistance at > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ?2002 Our Guiding Principle : "Va, pensiero", "Let thought(s) fly >forth" > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----------------THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE GAMBIA|POST >----------------- > > >Access our ARCHIVE at : http://www.gambiapost.net/signon.php > > >(password is : freedumo ) > > >You can now chat with Post members at: >http://65.18.147.105/chat/index.php > > >To remove yourself from this mailing list: > > >send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] > > >with the following command in the body of your email message : > > >unsubscribe mail > > >E.g unsubscribe mail > > >Or subscribe mail to (re)subscribe anew > > >Be sure to e-mail List Management for assistance at >[log in to unmask] > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >?2002 Our Guiding Principle : "Va, pensiero", "Let thought(s) fly >forth" > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > > > -----------------THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE GAMBIA|POST ----------------- > > Access our ARCHIVE at : http://www.gambiapost.net/signon.php > > (password is : freedumo ) > > You can now chat with Post members at: >http://65.18.147.105/chat/index.php > > To remove yourself from this mailing list: > > send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] > > with the following command in the body of your email message : > > unsubscribe mail > > E.g unsubscribe mail > > Or subscribe mail to (re)subscribe anew > > Be sure to e-mail List Management for assistance at >[log in to unmask] > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ?2002 Our Guiding Principle : "Va, pensiero", "Let thought(s) fly forth" > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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