Mr. Sidibeh, I would not bother to pass on the private message to the entire list. Trust me, the L has seen more embarassing private messages before and yours will not be the last. I guess it goes to show how private the Internet is! Malanding -----Original Message----- From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Momodou S Sidibeh Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:33 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: FOROYAA Editorial - July 22nd Celebrations MMmmm, Even this clarification is not clear enough. I had opened two messages and simply replied the wrong one; and of course the private message I received was not from Ebou Jallow. With the author's kind permission I will post it to Gambia-L, and as you can see I have myself exposed matters (purely relating to Stockholmers) that need not be known publicly as yet. Again my apologies Momodou S Sidibeh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Momodou S Sidibeh" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: FOROYAA Editorial - July 22nd Celebrations Impossibly and totally wrong, This message was supposed to be an answer to a private message. How it found its way to the Gambia-L as answer to this named article, is just too weared to discuss. My sincere apologies Momodou S Sidibeh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Momodou S Sidibeh" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: FOROYAA Editorial - July 22nd Celebrations Brother, Honestly, Your piece is so good that I am toying with the idea of editing it and sending it to the list. I agree with you that many active debaters tend to be emotional. But that is partly because those like yourself with such erudition and clarity of mind often do not participate in the debates, a participation that would help all of us grow from rampant emotionalism. Please edit this piece and post it to the list. It will do all of us much good. I am just from work and for now I have promised myself that I will complete the draft constitution of our dormant Solidarity Forum by the coming week-end. Many thanks, Modou. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ebou Jallow" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: Re: FOROYAA Editorial - July 22nd Celebrations I will defer with the PDOIS perspective on the 22nd July celebrations. Never mind your party gripes about praise singers who have played a role in our cultural history...a role far more significant than your "scientific" socialist dogma can ever acknowledge. Let's just analyze one of your lopsided propositions about state security: "President Jammeh should realize that the best form of state security is political maturity and integrity. When an office has integrity, when it is held in high esteem it receive protection from the people. When an office is brought into disrepute it becomes vulnerable." What in the world is your party definition of "political maturity" and "integrity"? What do these purported virtues have to do with the security of the state? We have learned harsh lessons in history from political philosophers like Hobbes, Machiavelli and even Marx himself that a political citizenry in reality is nasty and brutish. And governments have to exact necessary measures to establish their authority to secure peace and order. But no, a government by PDOIS will lecture us that the state shall rely on the good will of the man in the street to bring order out of chaos. The PDOIS will then proceed with a far reaching agenda to define the meaning of "integrity" to the Gambian citizens. Does this not sound like the precursor to another communist dictatorship? This is the agenda that all socialists, including PDOIS, believe in-political evolution through "political education" not to secure individual property rights but a collectivist economy by which they, the socialist elites of the PDOIS will dictate to ordinary folks to wear the same Jackson-Five Afro haircut, and pay heavy taxes to the state just like Halifa and Seedia are "surrendering" their hard earned incomes to their constituencies. This in effect is the socialist agenda and the vision that PDOIS has for the Gambia. The 22nd July celebrations amongst other things does jubilate the few positive achievements of the APRC in many areas of Gambian life. The United States of America celebrates 4th July every year to commemorate an armed revolt against a political order of the day some 200 years ago. In Europe, France celebrates every year the bloodiest revolution in mankind's history. In Asia, China does the same every year. Tell me, why not the Gambia when the legends of a similar history are still in power and still alive? What all these celebrations have in common is a salient message. A message that glorifies the human spirit (not men in army uniforms) that triumphs doubt and fear with a solid moral fortitude. A message that further teaches that if you want to lead Mr. Opposition Leaders, you must be a real MAN with guts and not just academic degrees. 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