Sister Jabou I promise i will not discuss this topic again but it doesnt mean that i will discuss other topics concerning Ebou. Matarr >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: On the issue of Ebou Jallow's attacks/Matarr >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:37:29 EDT > >Matarr, > >Thanks, and i agree. Ebou has done his share of attacking people, and he >started the attack on Halifa. >I hope that all of us will stick to the issues and lay off the personal >attacks. > >Jabou Joh > >In a message dated 10/10/03 10:17:17 AM Central Daylight Time, >[log in to unmask] writes:> > > > > Sister Jabou > > I quite agree with you that we should by all means try to keep away from > > personal attacks. > > It was Ebou who started the whole thing by attacking Halifa inorder to > > defend his boss (jammeh). > > Halifa did not attack Or say nasty things about Ebous mother, he was >just > > trying to warn Ebou that he should be the last person to attack him an > > dthis has been blown out of proportion. > > Ebou, now you are crying foul but what about the times when you were > > literary insulting people on the Gambia post and L. You see when you >live in > > a glass house you shouldnt throw stones. > > > > No hard feelings. > > Matarr > > > > > > >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: On the issue of Ebou Jallow's late mom > > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:22:43 EDT > > > > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 5:05:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > Don't tell me you do not > > > > want to visit your mothers grave (rest in peace)? > > > > > >At the risk of being labelled with all sorts of labels, this needs to >be > > >said > > >and I am going to say it because we have to be able to step back and >view > > >situations with a clear head and address the issues that need to be > > >addressed > > >just because that is the right thing to do; and because we cannot >afford to > > >loose > > >sight of the real issues in any discussion or we will not get anywhere. > > > > > >People, I would like to appeal to all of you who have made mention of >the > > >above topic to please not include this topic in the discussions >anymore. I > > >should > > >think that a topic like this has no place in our discussions regarding >the > > >situation at home. Every time I hear this mentioned, my heart bleeds, >why? > > >because I would like to believe that we are a people driven by decency >and > > >the > > >conviction to institute a system of government that ensures the >protection > > >of > > >rights, and that is why we are out here registering our protest. >Therefore, > > >there > > >is no place in such an endeavour to taunt people regarding the death of >a > > >loved one, otherwise, we are no better than the brutal regime that is > > >making life > > >miserable for our people. > > > > > >All of us have lost loved ones who have absolutely nothing to do with >this > > >regime or the crimes perpetrated by their offspring or relatives. They > > >deserve > > >to be accorded the respect due to them even in death regardless of >what > > >their > > >relatives may be accused of. > > >If we cannot separate the issue of an individual's guilt or innocence >and > > >the > > >protection of rights under a just system, then we have missed the point > > >entirely. > > > > > >The constitution of the Unied States surpasses any other in the >protection > > >of > > >the human rights of the individual and those who fight to protect it, >be > > >they > > >individuals, lawyers or judges are the reason it stays intact for the > > >benefit > > >of all. Under this system, the issue between the persons' guilt or > > >innocence > > >and his rights under the system are never compromised no matter what >they > > >are > > >accused of or even sharged with, and that is why it can continue to be >a > > >viable system. The guardians of the system know that they cannot afford >to > > >loose > > >sight of the fact that if a person's guilt or innocence becomes > > >personalized by > > >the guardians of the system, then that can compromises not only the > > >accused > > >person's rights but that of the entire citizenry under teh same system. > > >It is fine line to walk, but walk it we must so that we do not >ourselves > > >turn > > >into the dictators we are supposedly fighting. We cannot afford to be > > >selective in the administration of justice and the protection of the >human > > >rights of > > >the individual at any point in time, no matter how angry we are at that > > >person. > > > > > >We have to remember that as citizens who stand up for justice and who > > >purport > > >to speak on behalf of the people, we have to be clear headed enough so >that > > >our fight does not become personal, but rather an attempt to insitute a > > >just > > >system. A just system ensures the rights of all people, and it is the >laws > > >we > > >institute in such a system, and not individuals that determines the > > >appropriate > > >punishment for all crimes against the state or any member of the >society, > > >and > > >a court of law is the venue for such decisions. Therefore, even the > > >utterance > > >of words that imply the violation of the rights of the individual is > > >irresponsible and dangerous. > > >One of the main issues we have with the APRC regime is that they are >not > > >operating within the law, and a society where people threaten to take >the > > >law into > > >their own hands becomes a promise of another dictatorship. > > > > > >In the U.S, even the most despicable criminals are accorded their day >in > > >court, and all the rights guaranteed to them under the constitution. If > > >they > > >cannot afford a lawyer, one is appointed for them and paid for by the > > >state. The > > >courts then decide the guilt and innocence of that person and the > > >appropriate > > >punishment is handed down. Even if someone kills your family member, >you > > >cannot > > >shoot him or even threaten ot do so in public. This is so that >individuals > > >do > > >not take the law into their one hands and thereby compromise the >protection > > >it > > >accords to all. > > > > > >This system of laws that protect our rights is what is being >compromised > > >by > > >the APRC regime, and this is what we are fighting against. In our fight > to > > >istitute a fair and just system, we must never forget that at no point >in > > >time > > >can we threaten to abbrogate the rights of even someone who is alleged >to > > >have > > >committed crimes against us. We simply cannot afford such short > > >sightedness. > > > > > >If we start sounding like the APRC regime who think they are a law unto > > >themselves, this is a frightening prospect because then one is likely >to > > >believe > > >that given the opportunity to hold positions of power, such persons >will > > >see > > >themselves as a law unto themselves, and this is the direct opposite of > > >what I > > >assume we are working to accomplish. > > > > > >Let us take the issue of Ebou Jallow not being able to go home and >disect > > >that point. Why is he not able to go home? Supposedly because the APRC > > >regime > > >will arrest or kill him, or do any number of things to him. Why? >perhaps > > >because > > >he allegedly took three million dollars, but the money was alleged to >be > > >put > > >into an illegal account for the regime. If all of that should prove >true, > > >then > > >is it not a case of one of them trying to outsmart the other in an >attempt > > >to > > >defraud the Gambian people? If we taunt one of them for not being able >to > > >go > > >home, are we not cheering the others in their attempt to silence >someone > > >who > > >may be guilty of the same crime as those hunting for him are? > > > > > >Let us also take the issue of people not being able to go home. I put >it to > > >you that there are many others whom the APRC regime would like to lay >their > > >hands on, and their only crime is that they have consistently spoken >out > > >against > > >the injustices metted out to our people by this regime. If any >outspoken > > >person goes home, they will probably meet the same fate Ebou Jallow >would > > >at the > > >hands of the regime. > > >If we have a country where any citizen fears going home, that is a >problem > > >for all of us. > > > > > >Therefore people, these are points that should make it abundantly clear >to > > >all of us that we cannot afford to be selective when it comes to the > > >protection > > >of the rights of any Gambian, be they alleged criminals or otherwise. > > >Again, I repeat that what we need to focus on is the establishment of a > > >constitution that protects the rights of all so that our own will never >be > > >compromised, and to have people in positions of leadership who will not > > >loose sight of > > >the important issue of never personalizing any issues such that we > > >jeopadize > > >that very system. > > > > > >Jabou Joh > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > >Web interface > > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail snakker ditt språk! > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/sbox?rru=dasp/lang.asp - Få Hotmail >på > > norsk i dag > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > [log in to unmask] > > > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > Web interface > > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail snakker ditt språk! http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/sbox?rru=dasp/lang.asp - Få Hotmail på norsk i dag ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~