>From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list              <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:06:39 -0800 > >"You see as i told sister Ndey, the problem lies in the lack of knowledge of >their rights ( by our sisters) " > >Habib - > >You can say the above again which is at the root of why some of us suffer in >our relationships - knowledge!  But, when you have elders resorting to tired >clichés of "lickor taka tasut kor" and delaying tactics by husbands with the >court's full knowledge, the suffering continues no end.  I've tied our >(women's) suffering to the prevalence and persistence of poverty in the >world and I submit that as long as we continue to suffer emotionally and >economically, our capacity to contribute is undermined and poverty will >never leave us. > >Soffie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Habib Ghanim [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:57 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie > > > >sister Jabou > >I think this Cadi was corrupt or a freind of the husband, otherwise the >system works. The only other reason why there was a delay was to ensure that >the woman was NOT pregnant ( to protect the kid) and that waiting period  is >usually 3 months. > >The woman had another choice - go to a local Imam in here area or even >outside her area and based on the man's no show up if he summons him , then >the woman gets a divorse as requested. > >They can demand and exercise the written laws of the man's responsibilities >like child support and alimony.  yes indeed . Even if he becomes a dead beat >dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the sister still has some leverage >to use and witnesses too > >habib > > > > >From: Jabou Joh > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:26:36 EST > > > >Soffie, > > > >This is  a shame and I still maintain that since I do not see how the >rulings > >of the Cadi court can really help anyone since the justice system will not >go > >after people to make sure they are enforced, working to have laws > >incorporated into the constitution is the way to go on this. I think the >mere fact that a > >woman can be simply turned out of the house upon divorce with no laws in > >place to ensure her rights regardign property is shocking to say the least. > > > > >Jabou Joh > > > >In a message dated 3/1/04 10:05:28 AM Central Standard Time, > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > How about after twenty years of marriage, 5 kids, and having been abused > > > > for > > > most of that marriage, the Cadi(?) court rejecting a woman's petition >for a > > > divorce.  It took 9 months for this woman who had no means of earning a > > > living being made to journey to the courts, for 9 damn months, before >she > > > was granted a divorce.  Do any of you know why proceedings in the Cadi > > > courts are closed to the public?  The shenanigans and the corruption in >that > > > court need to be exposed. > > > > > > Soffie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:13 PM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/29/04 5:46:03 AM Central Standard Time, > > > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > Well as Jabou said, it is fine if the women accept. We can still ask: >Is > > > > it a matter of accepting it or not having the choice to say no. > > > > > > Ndey, > > > > > > My guess is that given the choice, most women would say no. This is why >I > > > also pointed out that Islam does permit such a pre-nuptual agreement >that > > > the > > > husband will not marry another wife, but this is not ever mentioned in > > > Gambia, > > > and won't be unless it becomes the law of the land like it is in >Senegal. > > > There are also other isues Ndey. For example, I am quite disturbed by >the > > > fact that in Gambia for example, a woman can be divorced by her husband >and > > > be > > > literally turned out into the street without having any laws to protect >her > > > as > > > far as her rights to shares of any property. If I am wrong, someone >please > > > correct me. I think it si also the same as far as child support and >alimony. > > > Although most men in our society  will take care of their kids (and i do >not > > > know > > > what the statistics are on this or even if anyone has looked at this), >there > > > are still some people who do not. > > > > > > Jabou > > > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > >[log in to unmask] > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >   _____ > >Store more e-mails with MSN   Hotmail

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