>From: Jane Warner <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list              <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:22:12 -0800 > >Soffie, > >  tired cliches of "lickor taka tasut kor" > >please translate? > >Thank you, >Jane > >*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* > >Jane Zainab Warner-Tholley >University of Washington >Seattle, Washington  98195 > >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > >On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Ceesay, Soffie wrote: > > > "You see as i told sister Ndey, the problem lies in the lack of knowledge of > > their rights ( by our sisters) " > > > > Habib - > > > > You can say the above again which is at the root of why some of us suffer in > > our relationships - knowledge!  But, when you have elders resorting to tired > > clichés of "lickor taka tasut kor" and delaying tactics by husbands with the > > court's full knowledge, the suffering continues no end.  I've tied our > > (women's) suffering to the prevalence and persistence of poverty in the > > world and I submit that as long as we continue to suffer emotionally and > > economically, our capacity to contribute is undermined and poverty will > > never leave us. > > > > Soffie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Habib Ghanim [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:57 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie > > > > > > > > sister Jabou > > > > I think this Cadi was corrupt or a freind of the husband, otherwise the > > system works. The only other reason why there was a delay was to ensure that > > the woman was NOT pregnant ( to protect the kid) and that waiting period  is > > usually 3 months. > > > > The woman had another choice - go to a local Imam in here area or even > > outside her area and based on the man's no show up if he summons him , then > > the woman gets a divorse as requested. > > > > They can demand and exercise the written laws of the man's responsibilities > > like child support and alimony.  yes indeed . Even if he becomes a dead beat > > dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the sister still has some leverage > > to use and witnesses too > > > > habib > > > > > > > > >From: Jabou Joh > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie > > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:26:36 EST > > > > > >Soffie, > > > > > >This is  a shame and I still maintain that since I do not see how the > > rulings > > >of the Cadi court can really help anyone since the justice system will not > > go > > >after people to make sure they are enforced, working to have laws > > >incorporated into the constitution is the way to go on this. I think the > > mere fact that a > > >woman can be simply turned out of the house upon divorce with no laws in > > >place to ensure her rights regardign property is shocking to say the least. > > > > > > > >Jabou Joh > > > > > >In a message dated 3/1/04 10:05:28 AM Central Standard Time, > > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > How about after twenty years of marriage, 5 kids, and having been abused > > > > > > for > > > > most of that marriage, the Cadi(?) court rejecting a woman's petition > > for a > > > > divorce.  It took 9 months for this woman who had no means of earning a > > > > living being made to journey to the courts, for 9 damn months, before > > she > > > > was granted a divorce.  Do any of you know why proceedings in the Cadi > > > > courts are closed to the public?  The shenanigans and the corruption in > > that > > > > court need to be exposed. > > > > > > > > Soffie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:13 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/29/04 5:46:03 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well as Jabou said, it is fine if the women accept. We can still ask: > > Is > > > > > it a matter of accepting it or not having the choice to say no. > > > > > > > > Ndey, > > > > > > > > My guess is that given the choice, most women would say no. This is why > > I > > > > also pointed out that Islam does permit such a pre-nuptual agreement > > that > > > > the > > > > husband will not marry another wife, but this is not ever mentioned in > > > > Gambia, > > > > and won't be unless it becomes the law of the land like it is in > > Senegal. > > > > There are also other isues Ndey. For example, I am quite disturbed by > > the > > > > fact that in Gambia for example, a woman can be divorced by her husband > > and > > > > be > > > > literally turned out into the street without having any laws to protect > > her > > > > as > > > > far as her rights to shares of any property. If I am wrong, someone > > please > > > > correct me. I think it si also the same as far as child support and > > alimony. > > > > Although most men in our society  will take care of their kids (and i do > > not > > > > know > > > > what the statistics are on this or even if anyone has looked at this), > > there > > > > are still some people who do not. > > > > > > > > Jabou > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > > Web interface > > >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >   _____ > > > > Store more e-mails with MSN   Hotmail

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