Conteh, so this is a game you were playing. You just did not think I will react this way? You scumbag! This is politics to you after all? Do I look like I am playing politics? No, you got to come with something better. I am not going to let your short behind off the hook Conteh and you know that by now. If you can tell such a big malicious lie about me, what else can you lie about. I see misery loves company and I say rot in your cesspool of lies. You must be out of your damn mind to think you can lie and then hide in docility. Come on shorty, I know you got game. Chi Jaama Joe Sambou >From: Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie/Jeng >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:02:17 -0400 > >Mr. Jeng: > >You have a right to not trust me. History will tell. I don't know you, >but I >respect your position. This is politics. I should get use to it. > >Naphiyo, >Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh > >-----Original Message----- >From: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Apr 6, 2004 2:36 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > >Gentlemen, > >It is sad that someone who over the years has done so much to the struggle, >but people are still willing because of personal beef, to come up with such >lies. If we are going to be honest with our struggle to create democracy in >the Gambia, we cannot allow vindictiveness to take over our souls. I hate >to single out JAbou and Elhadj, but all they have is a beef with Joe, and >these things do happen. To manifacture lies to try to discredit a committed >person like Joe is downright unfair to him, and to what we are trying to >do. As for Jasseh Conteh......., I hate to get personal, people will just >have to make their own judement about you.I for one do not trust you at all >base on your actions on the lsitserve over the years. > >Thanks >Musa Jeng > > > > From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: 2004/04/06 Tue PM 01:55:02 EDT > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > > > Soffie, Jabou is going to tender proof of this venom she spitted. And >she > > says she is a Muslim. Chei Jabou? I find you to be a hypocrit from >this > > day on and I suggest that you kneel down and beg for forgiveness from >your > > God, for you have literally attempted to murderd your fellow being >because > > of spite. But, this fellow here is not a push over and I'll run you >over > > before you do me. You will someday publicly apologize to me in this >same > > public forum that you came to attempt to assasinate me. I want any APRC > > person to come say that I ever called them or spoke with them. Any. l >have > > not talked to Tijan Ceesay but twice since his association with Yaya. >The > > first was when a mutual friend informed me of Tijan working at the >Embassy. > > Essa Sey was the Ambassador at the time. I came to this very forum and > > blasted him for being an opportunist and serving tea to Essa. After >Essa's > > termination, he told me how Tijan was all over him thinking that he Essa >was > > spreading that message. Now, Essa is right here on line. Ask him if he >did > > not contact me after he was fired? The second was during the Omar Gaye >saga > > with Tijan Ceesay and again, all on this forum heard and saw my stance >and > > that was the last time I spoke with Tijan. You see Jabou, my conscience >is > > clear, thus I can speak on things freely with no baggage. But at the >end of > > the day, you will tell Gambians about this big lie of yours. Jabou, if >you > > can talk about Allah the way you do here and come to lie this blatant, I > > wonder what else you could do to a humanbeing. To all that entertain >Jabou > > here, religiously, I say to you, you are dealing with a very vindictive > > person and a hypocrit. You are dealing with a person that will go to >any > > lengths to lie big time about any that she cannot control. They gheeza >is a > > control freak and she knows that I am one fellow that does not entertain >her > > craziness. Look at her bedfellows in this lie, they constantly are >stroking > > each other's ego and will because they are all drunk with malice. >Besides, > > if they succeed in this filth they are creating in a tribal war in >Gambia, > > yours and mine are going to be the victims. I thought I encountered >slime > > in my life, but this cabal redefined slime to a whole new level. A > > grandmother and a liar. Most folks would shape their lives to age > > gracefully, but not this gheezer. However, I am here to stay, so bring >it > > on. Just pathethic and shameful. > > > > Folks, I hate to clutter your mails with this filth, but I am not going >to > > let this gheeza or anyone spread this filth here about me. Jabou, you > > committed yourself, so Gambians are expecting the dirt you have on Joe. >You > > are not going to run away with this one. So, out with it. > > > > Chi jaama > > > > Joe Sambou > > > > > > >From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:13:24 -0700 > > > > > >Sister Jabou, thank you. I agree with you. Those aspects of 'Maslaha' > > >which are detrimental to our lives and livelihood, like many of our >other > > >harmful traditions, has to be done away with by pre-emption. My >concern is > > >when we start to label each other with that which we are not, because >of > > >how we might have come across on this medium, our effectiveness in our > > >fight against the tyranny becomes weakened. Use of tribe for personal >gain > > >is what's happening, this is Yaya's game and Gambia's problem. >Unfettered > > >sycophancy, which has side-lined tribe, is Gambia's problem. It >becomes > > >our problem when we do not see it for what it is being used for, and > > >counter that vigorously by foiling his sinister plan. How do we do >that - > > >Transforming how we think and how others who make thoughtless comments > > >think, through civil dialogue; questionning ourselves about our "forgna > > >dehs" and make attempts > > >to "hamm" and ask when we do not; and come together to forge the >necessary > > >plan to help Gambia. It is wrong and dangerous to single out the Jolas >to > > >vent our anger and frustrations at, for the mis-deeds of a leech who >after > > >sucking you dry, hand you over to be fried. I am asking that for this > > >fight, let us join hands, hearts, and minds. Let us deal with the >issue of > > >tribalism in the country on it's own. > > > > > >Soffie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:45 AM > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > > > > > > > >Soffie, > > > > > >As always, I appreciate your imput and thanks. > > >However sister, if we off-handedly label this issue as just part of the > > >Jammeh problem without bringing it into the open so that we can >pre-empt > > >any larger > > >problems that will arise later when it is too late, I think we wil >lhave > > >regrets only after things have gotten out of hand. The fact that there >is > > >favouritism in the allocation of high ranking positions in the army as >well > > >as even > > >the availability of basic services like electricity and the cost of >rice > > >which > > >is a basic Gambian staple tells me that this issue is potentially >explosive > > >unless and until we talk about it openly, and in so doing, those who >have > > >interest in fermenting this sinister plan will know that the people are > > >aware. That > > >simple fact itself can be a deterrent. We Gambians are used to adopting >the > > >least confrontational mode and simplifying things to our own detriment. > > >We cannot afford to leave any problematic area that this regime has >helped > > >to > > >create. > > >Diplomacy cannot change the feelings of hostility that these actions >can > > >brew > > >on the local level, and these seemingly minor details have led to > > >hostilities > > >and became much larger problems elsewhere. Only full exposure of the > > >problem > > >can be the deterrent. > > > > > >Jabou Joh > > > > > >In a message dated 4/6/04 9:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time, > > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > Brothers and sisters - > > > > > > > > The grey on my head is multiplying (no kidding), thanks to the daily > > >grind > > > > of life in the US and the struggle we have to wage for Gambia's > > >liberation. > > > > And, thanks also to dialogue that has only helped to fan the flames >of > > > > mis-understanding between those of us who are fighting the same >fight. > > >I hate to go > > > > against what my elders say and so I apologize before hand but, what > > >pertains > > > > in the Gambia is not a JOLA problem, but Gambia's problem. That >Yaya is > > >a > > > > tribalist we all agree on. A tribalist for whom and against whom, >very > > >hard > > > > for me to say and I will dis-agree with anyone who singles out >anyone > > >tribe. > > > > The Jola's are as much at the receiving end of his tyranny as >everyone > > >else. > > > > Those who've helped prop him up come from every strata of Gambian > > >society > > > > and to allow ourselves to miss this point sends shivers up my spine. > > > > > > > > At our last demonstration in New York, when reporter Ebou Waggeh >asked a > > > > question (I do not recall what it was), this lady pushed forward and > > >began to > > > > spew spittle about the Jolas this and the Jolas that. I was >frightened > > >- > > > > frightened because she was speaking from her heart and frightened >that > > >she has > > > > allowed herself to be manipulated into segmenting our society by the > > >shenanigans > > > > of a loony. If I were to turn around and ask her what any Jola has >done > > >to > > > > her or her family before Jammeh or now, she would have pointed only >to > > > > Jammeh. My response to that comment, to Waggeh, was this - Yaya was > > >born a Jola > > > > and that is as far as he can claim. Those who benefited from and > > >supported him > > > > run the tribal gamut. > > > > > > > > Some of us are lucky and can claim to be a bonafide Wollof, >Mandinka, > > >Jola, > > > > Sarahuleh, Manjaago, or whatever. So what? At the end of the day, >what > > >does > > > > that bring you? I will suggest that many Gambians are like me who > > >cannot > > > > claim to be a bonafide anytribe even if I grew up speaking only >Wollof. > > >I will > > > > also suggest that it is people in our families and tribes who will >put > > >the > > > > screws to you without a second thought and Yaya is no different. >For > > > > political expediency, he uses whatever he can and if tribalism is > > >readily available > > > > and he's proved that it can polarize the opposition, why not use it. > My > > > > sincerest apologies to all as well as my regards. 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