No Jabou, you have lied and are not going to wiggle out of this one. If calling you a tired ass is profanity, then you will get a lot of it coming to ya. I am going to hound your old ass till you cough it up. That is a promise I shall keep. Chi Jaama Joe Sambou >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:16:55 EDT > >Joe, > >You have lost all sense of reality. Why do you think that endorsing the >candidacy of Jasseh Conteh has to have anything to do with attacking you >first? If >I or anyone else wanted to endorse Conteh, why would we need an excuse? I >think you are assigning too much importance to yourself. >While you are trying to lump people and find reasons to label them with >your >wild imaginings, another observation I have made about you is that you >always >go after those who are especially hard on Jammeh and his illegal regime. >I hope that does not send you into another profanity binge. > >Jabou Joh > >In a message dated 4/6/04 2:44:13 PM Central Daylight Time, >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > Elhajj, you are too funny! > > > > "I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview, when you > > said you were > > aware of everything happening on the ground" > > > > Thanks for ascribing Godly powers on me. I know everything that is > > happening in the Gambia, huh!Your relatives and friends online must be > > ashamed of the slime you've turned into. But then, may be they knew >about > > you. While I was on Radio Tam Tam encouraging Gambians to speak out >against > > the murderers and criminals in the Gambia, you were busy finding an > > association of me and the APRC. Elhajj, I called you a Jammeh >sympathizer > > years ago and that is in the archives. Your defense of them is also in >the > > archives. Folks on line know Ebou Jallow very well and that is the same > > person that is going to be your summer guest. The same person I accused >you > > of receiving a "Dankaal" from, years ago. Also, the same person that >Jabou > > came to apologize for defending ignorantly all this time. Taf, you are >a > > hustler and all this flip flop is a hustle. You lied about the first > > republic in your defense of Yaya then, only to come and tell us that >Yaya > > wants to kill you now. Liar, get your ducks in order. Which republic >are > > you telling us about? Taf, folks may be silent because this whole >nonsense > > is vexation to their souls, but they see clearly you all's rabid minds. >The > > link between, Taf, Binneh, Jabou, and Conteh is evident. Remember, your > > enemy's enemy is your friend. Just nothing but a bunch of idiots that >are > > malicious and opportunists. You'll could not even hide your shame. All >on > > this list knew you cannot stand my guts, thus you figured you just gang >up > > to spread lies about me. > > > > Well, while you are at it, why don't you all come out and endorse the > > candidacy of Jasseh Conteh? Now, if this brother is not the definition >of > > lunacy, someone please educate me. For we saw him in all forms. You'll > > remember his slogan before his swindle with Sheriff Dibba, "Yaya Let My > > People Go". However, the moment Sheriff duped him into being his Jali, >he > > came howling about how he is going to follow his leader and mentor in > > Sheriff Dibba to join Yaya and how Yaya is working for Gambia. >Remember, > > his sermon about the "olive Branch"? Folks, please don't take my word >for > > it, visit the archives. Well, Sheriff left the Raccoon in the cold, >thus > > his silence for a long time. Now, we see the opportunist surface to > > announce his candidacy. Is that a coincidence, not at all. Also, >remember, > > the same lunatic announced that he was going to Gambia to teach during >his > > vacation, just months ago, all nothing but a scheme. Has he said zilch > > about who all he taught? I asked him about that swindle of his and to >this > > day he said zilch? Folks, did Jasseh Conteh also tell us he had any > > problems in Gambia with the APRC? I wonder why? All this while Joe >here, > > has not been to Gambia almost four years ago. Elhajj, your cover is >blown > > right there? May be you need to ask Jasseh Conteh his dealing with >Sheriff > > while in the Gambia? This malicious lie of you all's will be followed >to > > its logical conclusion. You'll shall be exposed for the skunks you turn > > into. To the sick souls, this will continue. > > > > Chi Jaama > > > > Joe Sambou > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:10 +0200 > > > > > >Joe, > > >Pls. stop your childish attacks on people again. Do you think your APRC > > >sycophants will > > >come here to reveal that you were spying for them? Is Tijan Ceesay " >Eku > > >Boopa "? > > >I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview, when you > > >said > > >you were > > >aware of everything happening on the ground. Stop attacking Jabou! >Jassey > > >Conteh uncovered you! > > >You are pushing your attacks on everybody now like a mad cow. We are >not > > >afraid of our > > >positions in attacking Yaya Jammeh. He has guns, and WE have our mouths >and > > >computers. > > > > > >Elhajj. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:55 PM > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > > > > > > > > > Soffie, Jabou is going to tender proof of this venom she spitted. >And > > >she > > > > says she is a Muslim. Chei Jabou? I find you to be a hypocrit from > > >this > > > > day on and I suggest that you kneel down and beg for forgiveness >from > > >your > > > > God, for you have literally attempted to murderd your fellow being > > >because > > > > of spite. But, this fellow here is not a push over and I'll run you > > >over > > > > before you do me. You will someday publicly apologize to me in this > > >same > > > > public forum that you came to attempt to assasinate me. I want any >APRC > > > > person to come say that I ever called them or spoke with them. Any. > l > > >have > > > > not talked to Tijan Ceesay but twice since his association with >Yaya. > > >The > > > > first was when a mutual friend informed me of Tijan working at the > > >Embassy. > > > > Essa Sey was the Ambassador at the time. I came to this very forum >and > > > > blasted him for being an opportunist and serving tea to Essa. After > > >Essa's > > > > termination, he told me how Tijan was all over him thinking that he >Essa > > >was > > > > spreading that message. Now, Essa is right here on line. Ask him >if he > > >did > > > > not contact me after he was fired? The second was during the Omar >Gaye > > >saga > > > > with Tijan Ceesay and again, all on this forum heard and saw my >stance > > >and > > > > that was the last time I spoke with Tijan. You see Jabou, my >conscience > > >is > > > > clear, thus I can speak on things freely with no baggage. But at >the > > >end > > >of > > > > the day, you will tell Gambians about this big lie of yours. Jabou, >if > > >you > > > > can talk about Allah the way you do here and come to lie this >blatant, I > > > > wonder what else you could do to a humanbeing. To all that >entertain > > >Jabou > > > > here, religiously, I say to you, you are dealing with a very >vindictive > > > > person and a hypocrit. You are dealing with a person that will go >to > > >any > > > > lengths to lie big time about any that she cannot control. They >gheeza > > >is > > >a > > > > control freak and she knows that I am one fellow that does not >entertain > > >her > > > > craziness. Look at her bedfellows in this lie, they constantly are > > >stroking > > > > each other's ego and will because they are all drunk with malice. > > >Besides, > > > > if they succeed in this filth they are creating in a tribal war in > > >Gambia, > > > > yours and mine are going to be the victims. I thought I encountered > > >slime > > > > in my life, but this cabal redefined slime to a whole new level. A > > > > grandmother and a liar. Most folks would shape their lives to age > > > > gracefully, but not this gheezer. However, I am here to stay, so >bring > > >it > > > > on. Just pathethic and shameful. > > > > > > > > Folks, I hate to clutter your mails with this filth, but I am not >going > > >to > > > > let this gheeza or anyone spread this filth here about me. Jabou, >you > > > > committed yourself, so Gambians are expecting the dirt you have on >Joe. > > >You > > > > are not going to run away with this one. So, out with it. > > > > > > > > Chi jaama > > > > > > > > Joe Sambou > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]> > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:13:24 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Sister Jabou, thank you. I agree with you. Those aspects of >'Maslaha' > > > > >which are detrimental to our lives and livelihood, like many of our > > >other > > > > >harmful traditions, has to be done away with by pre-emption. My > > >concern > > >is > > > > >when we start to label each other with that which we are not, >because > > >of > > > > >how we might have come across on this medium, our effectiveness in >our > > > > >fight against the tyranny becomes weakened. Use of tribe for >personal > > >gain > > > > >is what's happening, this is Yaya's game and Gambia's problem. > > >Unfettered > > > > >sycophancy, which has side-lined tribe, is Gambia's problem. It > > >becomes > > > > >our problem when we do not see it for what it is being used for, >and > > > > >counter that vigorously by foiling his sinister plan. How do we do > > >that - > > > > >Transforming how we think and how others who make thoughtless >comments > > > > >think, through civil dialogue; questionning ourselves about our >"forgna > > > > >dehs" and make attempts > > > > >to "hamm" and ask when we do not; and come together to forge the > > >necessary > > > > >plan to help Gambia. It is wrong and dangerous to single out the >Jolas > > >to > > > > >vent our anger and frustrations at, for the mis-deeds of a leech >who > > >after > > > > >sucking you dry, hand you over to be fried. I am asking that for >this > > > > >fight, let us join hands, hearts, and minds. Let us deal with the > > >issue > > >of > > > > >tribalism in the country on it's own. > > > > > > > > > >Soffie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:45 AM > > > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Soffie, > > > > > > > > > >As always, I appreciate your imput and thanks. > > > > >However sister, if we off-handedly label this issue as just part of >the > > > > >Jammeh problem without bringing it into the open so that we can > > >pre-empt > > > > >any larger > > > > >problems that will arise later when it is too late, I think we wil > > >lhave > > > > >regrets only after things have gotten out of hand. The fact that >there > > >is > > > > >favouritism in the allocation of high ranking positions in the army >as > > >well > > > > >as even > > > > >the availability of basic services like electricity and the cost of > > >rice > > > > >which > > > > >is a basic Gambian staple tells me that this issue is potentially > > >explosive > > > > >unless and until we talk about it openly, and in so doing, those >who > > >have > > > > >interest in fermenting this sinister plan will know that the people >are > > > > >aware. That > > > > >simple fact itself can be a deterrent. We Gambians are used to >adopting > > >the > > > > >least confrontational mode and simplifying things to our own >detriment. > > > > >We cannot afford to leave any problematic area that this regime has > > >helped > > > > >to > > > > >create. > > > > >Diplomacy cannot change the feelings of hostility that these >actions > > >can > > > > >brew > > > > >on the local level, and these seemingly minor details have led to > > > > >hostilities > > > > >and became much larger problems elsewhere. Only full exposure of >the > > > > >problem > > > > >can be the deterrent. > > > > > > > > > >Jabou Joh > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 4/6/04 9:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brothers and sisters - > > > > > > > > > > > > The grey on my head is multiplying (no kidding), thanks to the >daily > > > > >grind > > > > > > of life in the US and the struggle we have to wage for Gambia's > > > > >liberation. > > > > > > And, thanks also to dialogue that has only helped to fan the >flames > > >of > > > > > > mis-understanding between those of us who are fighting the same > > >fight. > > > > >I hate to go > > > > > > against what my elders say and so I apologize before hand but, >what > > > > >pertains > > > > > > in the Gambia is not a JOLA problem, but Gambia's problem. That > > >Yaya > > >is > > > > >a > > > > > > tribalist we all agree on. A tribalist for whom and against >whom, > > >very > > > > >hard > > > > > > for me to say and I will dis-agree with anyone who singles out > > >anyone > > > > >tribe. > > > > > > The Jola's are as much at the receiving end of his tyranny as > > >everyone > > > > >else. > > > > > > Those who've helped prop him up come from every strata of >Gambian > > > > >society > > > > > > and to allow ourselves to miss this point sends shivers up my >spine. > > > > > > > > > > > > At our last demonstration in New York, when reporter Ebou Waggeh > > >asked > > >a > > > > > > question (I do not recall what it was), this lady pushed forward >and > > > > >began to > > > > > > spew spittle about the Jolas this and the Jolas that. I was > > >frightened > > > > >- > > > > > > frightened because she was speaking from her heart and >frightened > > >that > > > > >she has > > > > > > allowed herself to be manipulated into segmenting our society by >the > > > > >shenanigans > > > > > > of a loony. If I were to turn around and ask her what any Jola >has > > >done > > > > >to > > > > > > her or her family before Jammeh or now, she would have pointed >only > > >to > > > > > > Jammeh. My response to that comment, to Waggeh, was this - Yaya >was > > > > >born a Jola > > > > > > and that is as far as he can claim. Those who benefited from >and > > > > >supported him > > > > > > run the tribal gamut. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of us are lucky and can claim to be a bonafide Wollof, > > >Mandinka, > > > > >Jola, > > > > > > Sarahuleh, Manjaago, or whatever. So what? At the end of the >day, > > >what > > > > >does > > > > > > that bring you? I will suggest that many Gambians are like me >who > > > > >cannot > > > > > > claim to be a bonafide anytribe even if I grew up speaking only > > >Wollof. > > > > >I will > > > > > > also suggest that it is people in our families and tribes who >will > > >put > > > > >the > > > > > > screws to you without a second thought and Yaya is no different. > > >For > > > > > > political expediency, he uses whatever he can and if tribalism >is > > > > >readily available > > > > > > and he's proved that it can polarize the opposition, why not use >it. > > >My > > > > > > sincerest apologies to all as well as my regards. 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