Ginny, Thanks for making an attempt to quote Moore where he equated Arabs and Islam, but it seems to me that you are ascribing to him things that he did not say at all. What you showed in quotes and ascribed to Moore are the words of Anson Musselman and not Moore. Where Anson Musselman directly quoted Moore the words are in quotation marks. Go back and read the article. The following are comments by Anson Musselman as preamble to the article: "...The Arab Model Moore in his youth set out to find what historical events led to the establishment of a racial hierarchy in Latin America, where race mixing is the norm, yet lightness and darkness of skin still matters. His findings led him to believe that the paradigms of race in Latin America are directly descended from the time when Arabs controlled the Iberian Peninsula, the homeland of Spanish and Portuguese colonialism in the Americas. Arabs successfully invaded the Iberian Peninsula (today Spain and Portugal) in 711 CE. The Moorish culture that was established was known as Andalusia. By the late 1200s Christian armies had expelled the majority of Muslims from Iberia...." Then he goes on to quote Moore and note that this is in quotation marks in the original piece: "I have had the privilege to have lived in Arab countries," Moore said, "and to be shocked by the extraordinary similarities to Latin America of structures of race in countries like Egypt. It was familiar ground. I was twenty-one, had just left Cuba. I lived in Egypt for a year. I was surprised to see how it was as though I had not left Cuba except for the fact that they spoke Arabic and adhered to the Muslim religion. From then on I began to study the structures of race relations in the Arab countries in a comparative way with relations in the Iberian Peninsula and Latin America. That became my focus." The rest of the piece consists of a series of comments by Anson Musselman himself and quotes from Moore. Even though the word Islam is mentioned, nowhere is it directly quoted from Moore's. Again, the gist of Moore's lecture was 'Arab and Latino racism'. Period! He was not even misquoted using Arab and Islam interchangeably, in fact he was never quoted using the word 'Islam'. Since you keep harping about being compared to Yaya Jammeh I would be glad if you can let me know who compared you with him. I wrote: "...For me one is not religious or God-fearing by merely wearing their religion on their sleeve. If it should be so, Yaya Jammeh would be one of the most religious people in the whole world, for he sports a rosary longer than that of Ayatolah Khomeni and dresses like the Sultan of Sokoto...." If you see yourself in this remark it's fine by me. Regards, Kabir Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:The following is the first quote where he mentions "Muslims". >Arabs successfully invaded the Iberian Peninsula >(today Spain and Portugal) in 711 CE. The Moorish >culture that was established was known as Andalusia. >By the late 1200s Christian armies had expelled the >majority of Muslims from Iberia. > What is interesting to me, is that first, he mentions how "Arabs" conquered the Iberian Peninsula, but in the last sentence, says how "Muslims", were driven out by the Christian armies? Being that he seems to be using the two words "Arab" and "Muslim" interchangeably, who is the one confusing "Arab" with "Muslim". Or else, were there Arabs left over after the "Muslims" were driven out? Also he goes on to say: >I lived in Egypt for a year. I was surprised to see >how it was as though I had not left Cuba except for >the fact that they spoke Arabic and adhered to the >Muslim religion. From then on I began to study the >structures of race relations in the Arab countries in >a comparative way with relations in the Iberian >Peninsula and Latin America. That became my focus." While the vast majority of people in Egypt were Muslims, what is the point of bringing up Islam here? If he's only talking about Arab culture, why bring up religion? There seems to be an underlying assumption here, by him, not me, that Muslim = Arab, because he himself seems to be using the two words interchangeably, in at least one part of the article. >Moore sees the export of Arab-model slavery and race >relations to the New World by the Spanish and >Portuguese, who had absorbed it during the Muslim >occupation of Iberia. OK, again, he's using the two words "Arab" and "Muslim" interchangeably. First, he talks about the "Arab Model" of slavery, and then talks about the "Muslim occupation" of the Iberian Peninsula. If there was a difference between "Arab" and "Muslim", he should have pointed it out. Or, why not use the phrase "the Arab occupation"? Whatever the case,he did mention "Muslims" and "Islam", so I think my reading comprehension is quite good, thank you very much. "The conquest of America begins >when the Arabs are expelled from this part of the >world by Europeans." And here, he definitely confirms my point, that he's using the words "Arab" and "Muslim" interchangeably, so I'd like to know who is getting the two terms confused? I don't think it's me! It's also interesting to know that he also uses the terms "Christian" and "European" interchangeably as well. Later on in the article, he goes on further to say that: In Arab >societies there are all sorts of ranks. There are >infidels, those who are believers, and the mulatto >category which is viewed as a ladder for ascension." > What is he talking about here? When he mentions "infidels", who is he talking about? Or Believers? Believers in what? Given that he's already used the term "Muslim" and Arab" interchangeably, I'd have to conclude that he's referring to Muslim belief? As far as the points he makes regarding race relations themselves, I have no argument with what he has to say about that, in and of itself. It's the seeming way that he uses "Arab" and "Muslim" as if they mean the same thing, that I think I, and the other lady, whose comments I posted, had a problem with. I don't think either one of us were trying to insinuate that "Arab" and "Muslim" meant the same thing, or that we are confusing the two. In fact, it seems to be Mr. Moore who is doing so. Not us! As far as the other "irrelevant" issues, I'd consider them "side issues", rather than "Irrelevant ones". Given the direction the discussion was going, or I should say, the direction that I chose to take the discussion, I feel the issues were relevant, else I'd not have brought them up. I still think it's funny that I've been compared to Jammeh, not only because of any outward religiosity or piety on my part, but also because, since I didn't understand the article, in the same way that you did, that my intelligence, comprehension, and even my honesty has been called into question. --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい