Mbye, We can simply allow the snake thing pass as a joke. There are many others like that but they cannot survive critical analysis and comparative study with other information. Omar Joof. >From: baboucarr Sey <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Sabiji/Sukuta >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:24:59 -0700 > >Oh mabe my big snake move to Latrikunda Ha! ha! please >please just for the laugh have a nice weekend good >people >Mbye > >--- omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Malanding, > > Lets remember that there are two Sabijees. There is > > Latrikunda Sabije and > > Sukuta Sabije. It was the same people that moved > > from Latrikunda Sabije to > > Bakoteh and eventually settled at Sukuta Sabije. > > Omar Joof. > > > > >From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing > > list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Sabiji/Sukuta > > >Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:33:50 -0400 > > > > > >Mr. Baldeh, I agree with you that some of the > > European accounts of > > >Gambian/african history is full of holes. This is > > particularly true of > > >post 1800 writers like Reeve and Archer. > > Nonetheless I believe it is > > >possible to seive through all that to get a better > > understanding of what > > >really happened. > > > > > >From the little I read, many of the writers agreed > > on a few things; > > >1. At the time of European arrival the people > > along river (primarily > > >Mandinka and some Wolof) were subjects of "Boor > > Meli" or "Batti Mansa" > > >(somewhere in Mali). > > >2. The majority of these people (Wolof or Mandinka) > > were not muslims. > > >3. settled among these largely non-muslim nations > > were muslim > > >Fulas/arabs who were allowed to co-exist > > > > > >Moore 1730 wrote: > > >"In every Kingdom and Country on each side of the > > River there are some > > >People of a tawny Colour, call'd Pholeys, much like > > the Arabs; which > > >Language they most of them speak, being to them as > > Latin in Europe, for > > >it is taught in Schools, and their law, the > > Alcoran, is in that > > >language. They are more generally leaned in the > > Arabick, than the People > > >of Europe are in Latin, for they can most of them > > speak it, tho' they > > >have a vulgar Tongue besides, call'd Pholey. They > > live in Hoards or > > >Clan, build Towns, and are not subject to any Kings > > of the Country, tho' > > >they live in their Territories; for if they are > > ill-treated in one > > >Nation, they breakup their Towns, and remove to > > another. They have > > >Chiefs of their own, who rule with so much > > Moderation, that every Act of > > >Government seems rather an Act of the Prople than > > one Man. This Form of > > >Government goes on easily, because the people are > > of good and quiet > > >Disposition, and so well instructed in what is just > > and right, that a > > >Man who does ill, is the Abomination of all, and > > none will support him > > >against the Chief. > > >In these Countries the Natives are not avaricious > > of Lands; they desire > > >no more than what they use, and as they do not > > plough with Horse or > > >cattle, they use but very little, therefore the > > Kings are willing to > > >give the Pholeys leave to cultivate Lands, and live > > in their Countries. > > >..." > > >the grammar is his and the typos are mind. > > > > > >Speaks volume of the people, education, land > > tenure, the process of > > >islamization and overall governance in 1730 Gambia. > > >I guess the questions are: when and how did it all > > become bloody? Was > > >it Jihad or resistance to European colonization? > > Was it the scramble for > > >Africa? Was the scramble between Europeans powers > > (Britain and France) > > >or between religions (islam and Christianity)? > > > > > >As for Sabiji/Sukuta - One town, two names, four > > legends. Another good > > >reason for history scholars to come to our rescue. > > Says much about the > > >history of the Gambia. > > > > > >That said, Archer and later on Dr Mahoney > > mentioned some important > > >facts and dates that may give clues to the conflict > > in the area > > >1. 1816 Banjul aquired as crown colony though a > > treaty with King of > > >Kommbo (annual payment $100 Spanish) > > >2. 1820 Arrival of colonists and missionaries > > >3. 1830s arrival of cargoes of liberated Africans > > from Sierra Leone > > >4. 1840 British Kommbo established to settle some > > of the liberated > > >Africans and make room to service Banjul. Yet > > another treaty between the > > >King and Britain. Border follows present day KMC. > > Must have been a > > >nail-biting moment for the people of Sabiji less 2 > > miles from their new > > >neighbors. Also it is worth noting that Sabiji was > > one of a handful > > >muslim towns in Kommbo at that time. > > >5. 1852. trouble brewing between Marabouts and the > > Sonninkees for > > >sometime in Kommbo surfaced. The govenment stepped > > in on the side of > > >King and his people (Soninkees). Sabiji openly > > defied the King of Kommbo > > >and prepared for War > > >6. 1853. British forces detroyed Sabiji and removed > > stockade. As > > >punishment, the Alcadie and leading Marabouts taken > > prisoner. 7. 1853. > > >Trouble again in Sabiji. Archer wrote "Sabiji was > > taken at the point of > > >baynet, the Frech troops assisting those of > > colony".. with heavy > > >casuality. It was later "ascertained that the > > marabouts of Sabijee was > > >led my one Omar, a Moor, who had formerly been an > > officer in the army of > > >Abdel kader...." ala Al Qaida in Gambia? > > >8. 1855. Salum Jartar, King of Kommbo, was shot > > dead in Busumballa > > >9. 1894 Brikama, Gunjour, Sukuta and Busumballa, > > under Fodi Silla's > > >occupation. Fodi was one of the > > Jihadists/resistance leaders of his > > >time " it was against these towns a special > > demonstration was was > > >considered desirable." (Archer). February that > > year Bakote was demolished. > > > > > >Note the use of Sukuta instead of Sabiji. It is > > not clear whether the > > >town became Sukuta after the 1850s destruction > > although the name existed > > >before Bakote's destruction or rebuilding. > > > > > >Just one last additionto the already crowded field > > of theories. > > > > > > > > >Malanding > > > > > > >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of > > postings, go to the Gambia-L > > >Web interface > > >at: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > > >To contact the List Management, please send an > > e-mail to: > > >[log in to unmask] > > > >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > > > >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of > > postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > > at: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l > > To contact the List Management, please send an > > e-mail to: > > [log in to unmask] > > >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > > > > Let modesty be the rule of observance. > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] >いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい